Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[AustinPowers]

I have noticed a bit of a media backtrack the last couple of days, with a more balanced opinion being shown. Maybe they have realised how this will look after the israelis kill thousands.

The media follows trends, its their business to go with the popular things and if views worldwide are changing they'll follow suit..

Unfortunately that won't help those in Gaza. The sound bites coming from both sides currently means that there will be a stand off, Hamas telling people to stay, Israel telling them to move south! Moving south to where?!

Proper mess

Israel knows they've nowhere to go but will tell everyone post the genocide that they were warned...

There's not much care from Israel in getting those hostages back alive.

Regardless of the fate of the hostages Israel will use it, if they are killed then another excuse to go nuclear on Gazza, if some how they are rescued it will be because Israel went so hard line.

There is no coincidence that this has happened under the most right right wing Gov't that has ever existed in the state. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if intelligence was ignored to create this narrative which allows them to go end of days on the Palestinians like they have always wanted too.

That was my  thinking from the start

[Rudi]

Don't know if it was a planned total systems failure by IDF & Mosad. How the people at the festival or settlements like Be eri, can ever forgive the Israeli government / authorities for their brutal slow reaction times is beyond me. Poor unfortunate Israeli citizens were hiding anywhere for 5 to 16 hours waiting for support, while Hamas did as they pleased.

 For context the settlement of Be eri is about 105km from Jerusalem, 89 km from Hebron. What were the IDF, local police force at, that they couldn't get to the front line of the attacks much quicker.

Hard to believe a country like Israel, was on such a low alert, almost like they were hibernating.

[Rossfan]

"Israel has a right to defend itself".
They didn't do much defending of itself when Hamas invaded!!
They're "defending" usually consists of firing missiles into apartment blocks and other offensive actions.

[Saffrongael]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

[Milltown Row2]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Are these genuine questions or an attempt to undermine solidarity and support for Palestinians? as these questions are usually framed to suggest supporters of palestine are anti semitic as they don't care about others.

to answer your question regardless, I have an interest in many different conflicts, this has been ongoing for 75 plus years, also very much due to Israeli massacres every few years it is the media often and as such would be the one I am more familiar with. I think the balance of power aspect and oppression make people take note

I'd have read up on kashmir, apartheid in SA, Serbia/Kosovan, I find Syria hard to understand with all the different factions. I'd have an interest in drug cartels and their impact too.

Maybe the more important question why is the occupation of Ukraine is treated so different by western powers?, that's a rhetorical question.

[Milltown Row2]

Nope, you are getting slightly paranoid. I haven't mentioned anti Jews or anything else, no do I hold such views, I'm pretty much a pacifist, having lived in an area which seen plenty of violence which has brought us no further forward in that time and wasted so many lives.


My question is on a discussion board in relation to how one war gets more attention than others where the losses and continued losses are not mentioned noticed or as it seems from lack of interest on here given any concern too.

I know I'm writing this from the comfort of my air conditioned comfortable room, incase that is brought up    

[seafoid]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Because it reminds us of our own savage history and because of the religious angle.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Nope, you are getting slightly paranoid. I haven't mentioned anti Jews or anything else, no do I hold such views, I'm pretty much a pacifist, having lived in an area which seen plenty of violence which has brought us no further forward in that time and wasted so many lives.


My question is on a discussion board in relation to how one war gets more attention than others where the losses and continued losses are not mentioned noticed or as it seems from lack of interest on here given any concern too.

I know I'm writing this from the comfort of my air conditioned comfortable room, incase that is brought up  

not at all, but I hope you can see why I asked the question and hope my answer at least gives you some insight to why people/I support Palestine. I was in my younger days, a member of the IPSM, I have attend dozens of protests over the year (often on my own - as in no one i knew, not i was the only one protesting), my best man (who has little interest in Palestine) spoke of Palestine in his speech about me at my wedding.

there used to be another poster on here from Derry I think, that did way more and was very active, maybe was involved in the flotilla etc.

[imtommygunn]

Was it give her dixie? I think he went out with aid and stuff quite a few times from memory.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Was it give her dixie? I think he went out with aid and stuff quite a few times from memory.

yes it was

[tonto1888]

I have noticed a bit of a media backtrack the last couple of days, with a more balanced opinion being shown. Maybe they have realised how this will look after the israelis kill thousands.

The media follows trends, its their business to go with the popular things and if views worldwide are changing they'll follow suit..

Unfortunately that won't help those in Gaza. The sound bites coming from both sides currently means that there will be a stand off, Hamas telling people to stay, Israel telling them to move south! Moving south to where?!

Proper mess

Israel knows they've nowhere to go but will tell everyone post the genocide that they were warned...

There's not much care from Israel in getting those hostages back alive.

Regardless of the fate of the hostages Israel will use it, if they are killed then another excuse to go nuclear on Gazza, if some how they are rescued it will be because Israel went so hard line.

There is no coincidence that this has happened under the most right right wing Gov't that has ever existed in the state. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if intelligence was ignored to create this narrative which allows them to go end of days on the Palestinians like they have always wanted too.

Without a doubt. Theres no way with the resources their military has that they didn't see this coming

A bit conspiracy here but I believe they let it happen. Gives them the excuse, not that they care really, to try and destroy Gaza once and for all.

[tonto1888]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Because it reminds us of our own savage history and because of the religious angle.

This is it in a nutshell. It's the similarity between there and here which garners the support it does. It's a different situation than say Somalia which MR mentioned.
As someone else mentioned above I do keep an eye on other wars/events round the world. Also with work I sort of have to

[tonto1888]

I don't know.  But I'm not the one on here pontificating about what they shouldn't do.  Maybe you want to have a go at answering the question?

But I'll tell you this truth.  If you treat a group of people like subhuman savages,  then you shouldn't be wringing hands and acting surprised when they behave in exactly that way.

At no point have I said the Israeli's are better than Hamas and justify the constant attacks, land grabbing, and demolishing homes and everything else.. 

The thread title is what I'm talking about..

I could talk at length on Israel's atrocities

What should they do? Christ, who knows? There has been better people than the collective on here who have tried and got absolutely nowhere

 

Meanwhile a list of atrocities continues to be perpetrated against these people on a continuous basis

And you've no idea what they should do, but you're happy to sit back from the comfort of your own home and your only contribution is to tell them where they went wrong

Can you see why that sticks in the craw a bit?

And it's nothing to do with some perceived 'personal vendetta'

PS

The thread title is a great example of propaganda in action

In Ukraine the same thing would be described (accurately) as a counteroffensive...

Fully agree with the last line there. The hypocrisy when it comes to the two situations is shocking

It is madness. Israel should be totally boycotted and shunned like Russia has been over Ukraine.

Yet when a shop does so they get abuse from Israeli supporters online. See the lush shop in Dublin for an example

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Peter Beinart on the current situation.  As always, a very thoughtful and honest piece.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/peter-beinart-israel-palestine-conflict.htmlhttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/peter-beinart-israel-palestine-conflict.html

My advice would be to try to make sure that you are accessing sources of information that focus on the humanity of both sides. Try to expose yourself to things that will force you to reckon with the humanity and suffering on both sides. Don't choose. And also try to find voices, both of Palestinians and Israeli Jews, who you feel have a message of common humanity. There are people. There are actually a lot of them. And they're extraordinary. It's just that they are often really disempowered at a moment like this. But I think it's at this moment that their voices are the most important.