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So he asks you to explain the figures you brought to the discussion and you reply by asking him to explain them.

Subtle.

The figures are from an article from Newstalk quoted in response 966 from Clar..
I would like to see them explained. A possible explanation was offered above in relation to Irelands all ready, high level of social welfare.
I didn't initially bring the figures to the discussion.  Tonto asked a direct question,  used the article posted by Clar to respond.

Yeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.

"People fall for it" but not you Tommy, because you're a cleaver clogs. Only gullible plebs would fall for such shite. 

Seeing as you're so smart, why don't you elaborate and show your comprehensive understanding of the below. Or failing that, at least try and accurately source and expand on whatever John McGuirk drivel you picked this up from.

99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.

What's that 220e now? Social welfare? Accommodation recognition? I trust you've investigated this thoroughly and will display in depth knowledge of the different support systems in both countries.

You're an angry dude Gallsman. Its incredible the amount of knowledge you have on people you despise ie John Mcguirk and various other "grifters", that's you favourite word. I mean look at your posts on influencers & life coaches on a recent thread. This lads a total grifter & that lads a stupid bollix. If your not into the likes of Mcguirk, why do you bother reading their articles. Just avoid them & you will be happier. You seem to be into misery porn, maybe a form of penance?
Now the 220 euro Ukrainians get, as opposed to 99 in France, the question I ask is why? Maybe you can help me & answer.
By the way I have zero issues with Ukrainians. We have about 300 in our area. Sound people, polite, decent folk. Just cant understand the 220 v 99 when they are provided with meals & accommodation. But hopefully you can explain.

A senior Hamas delegation has travelled to Moscow to meet Russian foreign ministry officials in the organisation's first high-profile international visit since it launched a raid in southern Israel on 7 October, killing an estimated 1,400 people and taking another 220 hostage.

They didn't kill 1400 people. The Israeli army blew up houses in kibbutz Be'eri where Hamas were holding hostages because they didn't want them to go to Gaza. Israel is seriously fucked up that it would murder its own people rather than have them taken alive. We don't know about the festival either.

So let me get this straight, Hamas just wanted hostages, didn't kill anyone and it was the Israeli's that killed those at the kibbutz and at the music festival?

that is not what he posted. There are multiple sources that Israeli killed their own at the kibbutzs. these sources are Israeli sources. We dont know how many. About 50 hostages have been killed in the indiscriminate bombing by Israel, they have the Hannibal directive.

Its totally acceptable for some on this board to completely misrepresent, what another poster states.

Yeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.

"People fall for it" but not you Tommy, because you're a cleaver clogs. Only gullible plebs would fall for such shite. 

[Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.]

Was thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?

To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.

That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.

Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.

WTF?

Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores

That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.

Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.

Create a bogeyman, rince and repeat.

Works both ways - rince and repeat.

[Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.]

Was thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?

To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.

That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.

Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.

WTF?

Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores

That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.

Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.

nobody is asking you too

 

Simple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.

what benefits do refugees get here that they dont get in France for example

99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.

[Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.]

Was thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?

To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.

That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.

Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.

WTF?

Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores

That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.

Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.

Simple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.

Watched "A Good Person" with Morgan Freeman, about connections, tragedy & addiction. Would recommend it.

Poor aul mammy coming onto the field, to get her spoilt entitled child away from harm.
Big man pushing a referee in the back, something to tell his buddies in the pub tonight. Probably rode miss Ireland last night too in Birr.

Possible 2027

Porter (?)
Sheehan (Kelleher)
Furlong (oToole) (?)
Ryan (Edogbo)
McCarthy (Ahern)
Baird ()
Van Der Flier (Hodnett)
Dorris (Coombes)
Casey (Gibson Park)
Prendergast (Crowley
Hanson
Henshaw (Aki 37)
Ringrose ()
Balcooune
Keenan

Our scrum let us down, our lineout in the first half let us down. NZ breakdown was better, their defence & attack was better. They got a fortunate break with bounce of ball from Barrett kick for first try. Jodie Barrett excellent positioning 3 minutes over his own line.
NZ were better, but we died with our boots on. The future looks good.
Hopefully some day I will see either an Irish team winning a world cup or Roscommon winning an All ireland. My money is on the rugby bucks.
Hope keeps you alive, I had a chit time of it lately & these rugby boys have kept me somewhat sane. As I've said they died with their boots on, what more can we ask for.

Brilliant performance by Ireland,  the breakdown won it for New Zealand, there defence was excellent. The better team won, Jordie Barrett held up Kelleher over the line. Fantastic game.

Numbers falling off the Welsh lads jerseys, wtf.