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Is your point that we don't do enough about the flu, is that what you getting at? You're an advocate for getting rid of the flu and we should be doing far more every flu season to prevent people from dying?

Or you just annoyed cause you missed a trip to Benidorm because people are trying to save life's?

Excellent summary APM and very worrying figures, a lot of loss of life with all the measures that have been undertaken.

Society didn't accept them - every year there is a campaign to get more people to take the flu jab. The health service increase capacity and it remains stretched but it can function and maintain its services and elective functions. It's constantly on the news in these times about bed shortages and trolley counts, it's a main talking point in political elections, etc etc. It's not ignored nor is  it accepted.

The development of the vaccine for the flu has been massive and even it can't keep ahead of the flu.

Covid isn't in same league as the flu. Much higher mortality rate, no vaccine, not enough known on its treatments, transmission, mutations. No one knows how it will develop into the future.

The bottom line is that Angelo is one of these people who care not for others, he holds no responsibility for anyone but Angelo. He's obviously annoyed he can't get to Benidorm or to the pub at the weekend and thinks he's that he is been wronged and nothing else really matters. He should be able to do what he pleases, to hell with everyone else.

NIRSA figures show an increase for a few months but nothing excessive. Not comparing to HSE? Why not? Did the flu stop at the border but was other factors in play.

Also, your 50,000 excess deaths in UK for 2018. This was above the average for a period, not 50k excess from 2017, was an actual increase of approx 10k on 2017 and 30k on 2016. Part of these increases were attributed to the flu but also to the extremely cold spell in 2018 which made older people more vulnerable to various illness.

And in case you didn't notice, Covid isn't exclusive to the UK, so why you just looking at UK figures. Hardly just as it suits your agenda?

Do you think that without restrictions that the death toll be the same? Or not realise it be a total sh*w show, even with how bad it has been?

So now you are trying to manipulate statistics to say that a few months of excess deaths is ok. Jan 2018 is a record death total in a month for the past 20 years, it's ok though right? I

We had a vaccine for the flu, didn't stop a shitshow then but it also didn't seem to bother people either that so many died in that month.

Covid sure has a way of showing people for being gullible and hysterical.

We've had an extremely cold spell this month. It was -7 when I got up the other morning for work, will I chalk those Covid deaths down to a cold snap so?

You are jumping through hoops to justify your contradictions.

There he goes, applying his own logic and "facts" to replies other people have made.

I have said that the excess deaths where attributable to flu and other factors.
Give me the specific statistic I have manipulated. Read a few reports on the 2018 flu season from the UK and they will all reference exactly what I have. Here is a very detailed report of factors, comparisons etc.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

All compared to the previous years (2017,2016) and increase I have referenced.

The flu Vaccine was met with a new variant, all explained to you before, that limited it's effectiveness. But it was a starting point, that we still don't have with Covid. That is very basic information that a reasonable person can understand.

NIRSA figures show an increase for a few months but nothing excessive. Not comparing to HSE? Why not? Did the flu stop at the border but was other factors in play.

Also, your 50,000 excess deaths in UK for 2018. This was above the average for a period, not 50k excess from 2017, was an actual increase of approx 10k on 2017 and 30k on 2016. Part of these increases were attributed to the flu but also to the extremely cold spell in 2018 which made older people more vulnerable to various illness.

And in case you didn't notice, Covid isn't exclusive to the UK, so why you just looking at UK figures. Hardly just as it suits your agenda?

Do you think that without restrictions that the death toll be the same? Or not realise it be a total sh*w show, even with how bad it has been?

That table total deaths? Means nothing to support your claims. 2,101 is total deaths, not flu. The excess could be partly accounted for the flu season - an 283 increase from 2017 to 2018. Year on year 2018 wasn't worse than other years.

If that's the best you can do, god love you!

And I was actually using ROI figures, which you've just ignored the fact that numbers don't compare to January 2021.

I've no other account. Just took interest in your House of Lies of wanted to challenge you on them.

Yes, very clear - 255 in the 2017/18 flu season. As clear as day, thank you.

So how did 2,101 people die in Jan 2018?

Whose alias are you on here?

Where the 2,101 from? The HSE haven't included such a figure in their report I linked which still classed the 2017/18 flu season as severe. Have you carried out your own independent report and autopsies? Or you just making stuff up?

What aliases you on about?

Should be the way going forward - save the championship draws till near end of league. Absolutely no need to have them 6months in advance.

Yes, very clear - 255 in the 2017/18 flu season. As clear as day, thank you.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20172018season/Influenza%202017-2018%20Annual%20Summary_Final.pdf

Angelo - would you just give over about the 2017/18 Flu season. You can rabbit on about it, people tragically lost their lives but it wasn't on the scale of Covid. It was excessive and worse than other years but it made the news, people discussed it and was a subsequent ramp up in vaccines for future flu seasons.

For ROI as per the above HSE report there was total of 255 deaths for the Flu in the entire season. Tragic for those affected. But we've had over 1,000 in January alone with massive restrictions in place.

The problem with common sense is that it's not common enough.