Down Club Hurling & Football

Started by Lecale2, November 10, 2006, 12:06:55 AM

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thewobbler

#34875
See I think you're confusing the situation by putting D1 in with the lower divisions.

When in D2 or D3, the focus of the season is in either getting promoted, or staying up.... depending on how suited you are to that division. Championship is important but, particularly if you've had recent IFC /JFC success, for many clubs maybe not as important as progressing upwards in the league (if stronger) or solidifying league position (if weaker).

As all games at both ends of the table matter, it tends to produce a very fair league, where almost every result matters to everyone involved. Therefore winning a D2 or D3 title is of great significance to a club.

D1 doesn't have the same thing going at both ends. For simply put, the season goal of the top 5-6 teams will be to win Frank O'Hare (or further, if Kilcoo) and has nothing to do with the league. The season goal of the bottom 4-5 times will be initially about retaining league position ie not getting relegated, and an extended championship run.

This situation means that winning a D1 league is just not as prestigious as you want it be. This is just simply what happens when a number of teams involved have eyes on other prizes, and could take or leave winning it. The prestige of a competition is defined not by its name or it's status, but by how much players want to win it.

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By the way, when it's a 10 team D1 with 2 teams down, it's still a great league, for only the very top couple of sides won't be looking over shoulder all season long.

When it's a 12 team league, a lot of this pressure is alleviated from the bigger 5-6 clubs.

When it's a 15 team league like a few years ago, it's a shit show.

When it's a 10 team league with no relegation, it's also a shit show.

stiff breeze

The championship winners routinely finish in the top 3 in the league . This has been the case for years so it's obviously important enough to them . 3 maybe 4 teams have a realistic shot at the championship , the rest are hoping to catch the big teams on an off day or get a favourable draw . The main teams have got to where they are by consistently winning which happens in  the league . Hiltown won a title this year and suddenly they have a bit of belief .... Go figure


upandwin

Clonduff players were celebrating the 2020 league title this year with tears in their eyes after beating Burren...tell those lads it doesn't mean anything because there was no relegation involved in the league.

A league title is something to be hugely proud of, no matter who you are. Lads from Castlewellan and An Riocht etc who realistically will never win a senior championship will always be able to talk about the nights in Newry where they lifted the Div1 title.

It might not mean as much to the lads in Kilcoo or Burren right now but at one stage, even the Magpies had to win a league or two before they won their first SFC in a long time. It's a statement of intent and gives players a belief and a mentality that they can win big prizes.

SuperRed

Quote from: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 02:03:42 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but since the turn of the Millenium there have been 20 champs and league trophies presented (40 in total), only Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Ford, Castlewellan, The kingdom and Clonduff have collected any titles, Maybe Rostrevor won one league title?? But for clubs to say they don't care about a league is crap, yes if there is an injury you won't risk your player but clubs should be disrespecting a Down division one league, as the teams down below would lose a limb for it. Its easy to say you don't care when you had a shit campaign.

Rostrevor beat Mayobridge in the league final in 2005...

Smurfy123

Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today an appointment is imminent

Truth hurts

#34880
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today, an appointment is imminent


If we were not good enough for McEntee before then i think he should be chalked off. Any of the others would do the job

manwithnoplan

Connor Deegan would be a very questionable appointment, not a very good track record over recent years.
Not sure taking Laverty and Clarke away from the under 20's after a decent year would be wise, maybe give them another year or two to continue working with future senior players and on how they want them to play the game.

Truth hurts

I am hearing greats reports about Mickey Walsh with the RGU , I would rather him get a shot at it than Deegans to be fair. Laverty would also be another good shout but maybe keep him with the young lads for a few years. Let's be honest about it, our underage has been neglected the past number of years so stability and the experience and dedication of Laverty at this level could be crucial. Conor had to work extremely hard to play intercounty football as his size hampered him but his dedication and willingness to win was second to none. Although he would be a good appointment I just feel that we need stability to try and get more success at underage.

redandblackareback

Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today an appointment is imminent

Unfortunately no one on this list was the famous fives first choices. Turned down unsurprisingly on 3 occasions by former hi profile intercounty managers.

What a poor list that is such an underwhelming list of candidates. It's a sad sign of the times when we can't attract a high profile manager and if the famous five can't come up with something more appealing than this then they are the wrong men to select the manager.

Some of th names above to manage at intercounty senior level is laughable, this cannot be true Smurfy?

upandwin

Think the original list of candidates was as follows:

Jim Gavin
Mickey Harte
Jim McGuinness
Scrooge McDuck
Pat Mustard

Heard that from a prominent County Board member...

Truth hurts

A big mourne derby tonight in Dunavil. The Kingdom seemed to have recovered from their covid outbreak lol
They would love nothing better to scupper Longstone's promotion bid.

upandwin

Few good derbies on this evening...Clonduff will hammer the Ford, Business as usual for the yellas. Warrenpoint will beat Rostrevor IMO and Longstone will hammer An Riocht...

Be interesting to see how Harps go against Carryduff...Kilcoo v the Bridge in a dress rehearsal for Championship should be the pick of the games tonight-Magpies by 2 but fancy the Bridge to beat them like the point did last year when it doesn't matter at all to Kilcoo...

Truth hurts

Dylan Ward and Devlin will be big misses but they should have enough to take Mayobridge in both games.
I fancy the Kingdom to win tonight
Harps will get the into Carryduff tonight, wait to you see. They will be hurting after last years semi.

redandblackareback

Quote from: upandwin on August 27, 2021, 08:17:25 AM
Think the original list of candidates was as follows:

Jim Gavin
Mickey Harte
Jim McGuinness
Scrooge McDuck
Pat Mustard

Heard that from a prominent County Board member...

I can gather thats a flippant comment from you but if Louth can go out on a limb to get one of the best managers in the game, why should we accept this level of mediocre yet again? How many of those named have experience of senior intercounty level outside of ORourke who in his first and only managerial post in Louth was a total and utter failure. There is no outstanding candidates in our own county, time to think big or we will be heading one direction.

Smurfy123

Harps will have to much for Carryduff tonight. Carryduff bubble has well and truly burst
Kilcoo by 5
CPN by 8
Clonduff by 5


I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

Who exactly would you like to see in as manager then if the above are not good enough? You talk about experience
Like who
We need to be realistic