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« Reply #34545 on: July 21, 2021, 12:22:13 PM »
Another season of nonsense in Down...does this carry on happen in other counties? Seems like it's always us in a tangle every year for some reason...

Games off this Friday, next Friday will probably be scrapped too...then Fridays and Mondays with Championship around the corner :(

Clubs don't want to play without their U20s and that's not surprising but the County Board should be ensuring the games go ahead as starred fixtures...like it's been done for years at Senior Level.

Solution is simple...scrap the relegation from Div1-3, two go up from Div2, Two up from Div3 and two up from Div4. Leaves us next year with 12 teams in Div1, 10 in Div2, 11 teams in Div3 and 10 in Div 4. There's benefit and incentive for every team and good competitive fixtures before Championship gets underway. Also means that no team is unduly hampered by not having the U20S.

Am I missing something here or why can't this be done?

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« Reply #34546 on: July 21, 2021, 12:32:55 PM »
Simpler solution.

Play the leagues. Play them with the u20 players.

And also donít send out messages to all clubs that the county under 20 management ďare prepared to release the following playersĒ.  As if somehow this is a benevolent act of kindness.

Maybe next year central council will do everyone a favour and not drop a county championship into the middle of the club season. But until then, donít take a shit on the clubs. We donít deserve that. Not for an underage football competition.

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« Reply #34547 on: July 21, 2021, 12:48:28 PM »
Anyways for a bit of lighthearted craic, what do you all think predictions for the leagues would be this year if all squads were full out? I'd go for the following:

DIV1:

Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford

DIV2:

RGU
Castlewellan
Longstone
An Riocht
Glenn
Bredagh
Darraghcross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone

Div3

Liatroim
Drumgath
Ballymartin
Saval
Shamrocks
Clann Na Banna
Tullylish
Bosco
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught

Don't know enough about Div4 to even have an opinion...

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #34548 on: July 21, 2021, 01:16:51 PM »
Simpler solution.

Play the leagues. Play them with the u20 players.

And also donít send out messages to all clubs that the county under 20 management ďare prepared to release the following playersĒ.  As if somehow this is a benevolent act of kindness.

Maybe next year central council will do everyone a favour and not drop a county championship into the middle of the club season. But until then, donít take a shit on the clubs. We donít deserve that. Not for an underage football competition.

That's not going to happen and you know it, the whole thing is a mess and it needs to be sorted. Your own club has no game Friday and no game next Friday.

Also what would the penalty be if you played a starred player?

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #34549 on: July 21, 2021, 01:37:46 PM »
Anyways for a bit of lighthearted craic, what do you all think predictions for the leagues would be this year if all squads were full out? I'd go for the following:

DIV1:

Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford

DIV2:

RGU
Castlewellan
Longstone
An Riocht
Glenn
Bredagh
Darraghcross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone

Div3

Liatroim
Drumgath
Ballymartin
Saval
Shamrocks
Clann Na Banna
Tullylish
Bosco
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught

Don't know enough about Div4 to even have an opinion...

I fancy St Pauls and Dromara to go up. There will be a few mis mathces in division 4.

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« Reply #34550 on: July 21, 2021, 01:42:40 PM »
The reason why itís not going to happen is because as county (a group of clubs) we collectively seem unwilling to consider and challenge the reasons why u20 county football would take precedence over senior club football.

Do I want our county to win championships? Yes.
Did i tune in each of the last two Fridays with a sense of expectation and later a sense of pride? Yes.

Do I think the absolute pursuit of this goal is worthy of obliterating the short window in which a club football season can take place? Absolutely no way.

Am I disgusted that players are being denied to their clubs 8 days before an underage county match, which as a decision means thereís no chance for the rest of this series of meeting halfway, bargaining, or showing of common sense anywhere ? Absolutely f**king yes.



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« Reply #34551 on: July 21, 2021, 01:57:40 PM »
The reason why itís not going to happen is because as county (a group of clubs) we collectively seem unwilling to consider and challenge the reasons why u20 county football would take precedence over senior club football.

Do I want our county to win championships? Yes.
Did i tune in each of the last two Fridays with a sense of expectation and later a sense of pride? Yes.

Do I think the absolute pursuit of this goal is worthy of obliterating the short window in which a club football season can take place? Absolutely no way.

Am I disgusted that players are being denied to their clubs 8 days before an underage county match, which as a decision means thereís no chance for the rest of this series of meeting halfway, bargaining, or showing of common sense anywhere ? Absolutely f**king yes.

Has your club made these views known or is that a personal opinion. The leagues should be starting on Friday, every single game.

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« Reply #34552 on: July 21, 2021, 02:50:32 PM »
Simple solution . Games should be starred and play on . Most of the teams in div 2/3 are affected by 1 and at most 2 starters . By changing the games they may be missing 1/2 of the of players who are available and fit now . Any division 1 team should be able to withstand the loss of a few 20 year old lads . Clubs with panels of 30+ saying they canít play and then saying they are thinking of their team Ö managers thinking of themselves . Star the games , think of the players who want to play and play on

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« Reply #34553 on: July 21, 2021, 03:07:24 PM »
Ordinarily Iíd agree with you Stiffbreeze. Managers have spent my whole life trying to get out of matches instead of just playing the fecking things.

But this year is a nine match, no play-off format, where 20% of the teams get relegated - and potentially three of those nine games could be starred.

Weíve created a situation whereby an adjustment of a single defeat into a draw will be vital for half the clubs in the county (indeed, scoring difference in any given match could prove vital).

So asking managers to plough on with this now is a bit like dealing a massive hand, then allowing some teams to change cards, and others not to. Thatís not on.

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« Reply #34554 on: July 21, 2021, 03:16:29 PM »
Has that not always been the case ? Some teams with league winning aspirations and some with survival aspirations get shafted due to county players on their squad and some dont ? And again we are talking about under 20 lads here in senior teams not county seniors, huge difference .

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« Reply #34555 on: July 21, 2021, 03:22:27 PM »
But you canít compare a 9-game season that was scheduled to run off 9 over 7 weeks, with a 22 game game season that was run off offer 6 months and culminated in playoffs at the end as a safety net.

The playoffs and the starred system really do kind of need each other, in times of county success.


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« Reply #34556 on: July 21, 2021, 04:00:34 PM »
Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game

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« Reply #34557 on: July 21, 2021, 04:17:11 PM »
Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game

That would not solve anything as the margin for error would be so tight. In a 5 game league, 5 wins would see you safe.

I have yet to see a better idea than not having relegation and still have a promotion.

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« Reply #34558 on: July 21, 2021, 04:34:58 PM »
Iím a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games .  With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive

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« Reply #34559 on: July 21, 2021, 04:43:54 PM »
Iím a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games .  With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive

Teams will field as all games are played before the championship.