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Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
« on: Today at 12:01:47 AM »
Wonder would someone be good enough to take one player from that Tyrone team, pretty sure you could take any one of them.

Plot their journey from under age, the whole way through development squads, schools systems, college systems, finally into minor/ u20/ senior squads.

Track the amount of time spent on them at each of these stages by quality interventions, see the money it has taken to get them through the system to the All Ireland final day, track the man hours it has taken and the support around this system.

If you do that for one single player you will start to have an idea why we are so far behind and will continue to be so until the gap is addressed at all levels.

Yeah...would be very interesting to see

Take Tyrone though....the whole county, Man, woman and child know when they have a game. They defend their county to the hilt on any issue and see their football team as an extension of themselves,  as defining them

We don't have that at all, nowhere near the gra. We forever are begging our best players to commit and play for us (Winker, Fitzsimmons in football etc).

Been refreshing to have the buy in (which should be the expected) of the best hurlers in the county this year

I hope their is a  change to the norm with the appointment of  G Adams in football and gaelfast but time will tell
Sometimes we donít even know our best playersí names.

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 17, 2021, 11:55:13 PM »
Can only be a good thing.

Anything is better than nothing
+1

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 17, 2021, 11:54:45 PM »
Well there's another way of putting it. If it's a good gael doing this for free, then you can't say too much. If it's a paid position then the level of due diligence to find the right candidate goes to another level, as does the scrutiny of credibility, as does the performance.

I'd expect this to be provided for free. I don't think Neil Peden is being reimbursed!

This make more sense?

Sure let's not hammer away at this until the facts emerge. Early days on this development.
Thatís interesting. You said that you would give support especially to a person who was doing it voluntarily. That is very noble. An ideology underpinned by the founding principles of our association.
How often in the last 10 years has your own club paid an outside manager?
There is nothing wrong with doing that by the way as we are often told that there are many clubs that simply donít have anyone within their club capable of managing a senior team.
How many members of your club have flown their kite as paid managers with other clubs in the last 10 years?

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 17, 2021, 10:47:28 PM »
Whoah hold up. There is a degree of concern as to whether this is a voluntary role? From a Portglenone man?

Now, that is new light through an old window.

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 17, 2021, 10:36:26 PM »
One would think people who get any such role as Ďdirectorí must have success in terms of playing, but more importantly in coaching and management ? Does he ? If he does then he will get the respect, iif he doesnít then itís a disaster!! Credibility comes from success in sport
I donít disagree with your point but the question leading from your post is are we blessed with ďsuccessĒ in coaching & management in this county? If Iím honest, i wouldnít know what the criteria would be for a director role (apart from 1. St Johnís man 2. Head of PE in Rathmore  ;D) but without starting negatively itís a good step forward that we have one. Neal Pedan went into the same role in hurling and itís fair to say we have moved on in that code so hopefully we can see similar progress.
Finally, we appointed a management recently that are fairly green and who havenít yet had success (to my knowledge). Theyíve done rightly so far.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs TŪr Eoghain
« on: September 17, 2021, 08:35:27 PM »
Again, thatís only if you are looking at results and jumping to extremes. The team that won are good and the team that lost are not. That is how punditry works and it is flawed IMO.
The past few years there has been nothing between them. There still isnít. Theyíll beat each other. This year just happens to be Tyroneís turn to win.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs TŪr Eoghain
« on: September 17, 2021, 06:59:54 PM »
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee.  One is done and injuries are catching up with the other.  As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences.  Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement.  They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland.  Have dublin or kerry ever done this.  They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
Iím certainly not belittling their achievement. They won the All Ireland for Christ sake!
Iím just of the opinion that they havenít been given the credit they deserve over the last few years. Other than a superb Dublin outfit, theyíve been as good as anyone.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs TŪr Eoghain
« on: September 17, 2021, 01:53:35 PM »
I think itís all too simplistic to say  Harte kept them on a lead, Dooher/Logan let them off it.

I know itís all ifs and buts, but the turning point was Donegal game. Three big calls went Tyroneís way. McGee injured (and no card for McKernan - could have been red), the penalty miss, and Murphyís red. Yes it was deserved, but it was a split second thing. Ball fumbled, wild swing. Would Tyrone have won had 2 or 3 of those incidents turned out differently ? Iím not sure.

Then v Kerry,  they were 2 points down when McShane goaled, with a minute to go. If that deflection falls differently, Kerry clear it. Thatís without including the square ball balls-up.  Thems the breaks. Harte didnít seem to just get those breaks this  last few seasons .
Thatís exactly the way I see it too.
I believe that Tyrone were the better team against Kerry in 2019 but didnít get the breaks.
I believe that Tyrone were the better against Kerry in 2021 but did get the breaks.

Kerry fluffed a gimme goal chance against them this year that 9/10 would have rattled the net. Had that goal been the difference between the teams, I donít think anyone would be saying that Tyrone have improved. Kerry ballsed it up, Tyrone won the game and all of a sudden Tyrone are a much improved side.
A lot of exaggeration happens after the event with people diving in to analyse how Tyrone have managed to get over the line when the reality is that there has been nothing between the teams for a few years and Tyrone were due one.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs TŪr Eoghain
« on: September 17, 2021, 08:07:08 AM »
Would it be a widely held view that the current team is a better one than the recent teams Harte had? Or would they be much of a muchness with the current lot just a tad luckier?
Personally I donít think this team would have done any better against the Dublin team of 2018.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 17, 2021, 06:43:24 AM »
Lumping Donegal and Monaghan in together certainly skews it in favour of that narrative.
Monaghan have only beaten Tyrone once in Ulster in ages.
Donegal have beaten them a right few times in Ulster but yes, that one time they met later on in the championship Tyrone came out the right side of a nip/tuck game. A superb last 10 minutes for Tyrone with some cracking performances off the bench won it for them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 04:30:23 PM »
Still not too shabby an achievement reaching an ai final. Not that many have done it in recent years. They didn't beat the "big three" but still beat decent teams to get there.

I don't disagree with you that this year took me and probably most of Tyrone by surprise but I don't think Donegal. Monaghan, Armagh, Meath, Galway or cork have an ai in them or tbh close. Donegal could only at a push get near it with Murphy still about but they are really going to dip when he goes.

To counter my own argument though I think if Donegal for Tyrone early they could beat them lol. Latter stages with back door etc back I don't think they could though.
So to break it down, you think Donegal are capable of beating Tyrone in Ulster but not any later.
I think they are capable of doing it at any time of the championship. I also extend that to being capable of beating Kerry and Mayo.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 12:26:35 PM »
They didnít meet a team of note until they got thereÖ..and when they did they lost.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 12:18:55 PM »
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.
Until this year Tyrone had beaten ďnobody of noteĒ since 2008. That did not mean that they werenít among the best counties in Ireland capable, with the rub of the green, of beating most of the others on a given day.
The games Donegal are playing against Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry are generally very tight. They are definitely in the same bracket IMO.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 15, 2021, 10:00:24 PM »
And a month ago youíd have laughed if someone told you that Tyrone would win the All Ireland. And you could have picked holes in them til the cows came home.

FWIW, I think Donegal are ahead of Monaghan. Iíd have it something like this.

Dublin - Still the best

Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal all capable of beating each other.

Monaghan, Galway, Armagh

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: September 15, 2021, 09:31:46 PM »
Tyrone were not by far the better team all game. 14 man Donegal were still in the game late on. They were the better team alright but they were helped by a bit of luck along the way. Losing Murphy and McGee is certainly a blow. Had Donegal got the luck that day (Murphy and McGee stay on and they score an undeserved penalty), they may have gone on to be the better team and win the game.

Ye see, people jump to extremes after games regardless of how the game went.
You can guarantee that if Kerry had have scored the goal they fluffed in the semi final, won it by 3 points and then won the All Ireland, weíd be talking about them being great and Tyrone having umpteen flaws.
Indeed, when Donegal beat Tyrone in Ulster last year in the tightest of games, this board had plenty of people commenting that Donegal are a good bit ahead of Tyrone.
The same when Kerry beat Tyrone in 2019.

Quite simply, itís ballix.

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