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I do use a credit card,but pay off at end of month without incurring interest😂.

Look the Catholic Church,along with all other Christian Churches teaches Heaven and Hell await the righteous and wicked.This belief is derived from Scripture, it is not my decree.It is plain that Jesus' mission (and Im amazed by the many people on this thread,who don't profess to believe in him on one hand yet quote his time spent with sinners on the other😱)  was to atone for "sin" (not understand it,condone it or to have unconditional love for its practitioners). His whole mission was to save sinners hence the amount of time spent with the Ungodly.

Time to elevate your post above the level of the inanely stupid.

I don't believe Bob Cratchit existed. I do believe Thomas Paine existed. I don't believe either was the son of god. You seem to think that would disentitle me to quote Paine's words or Cratchit's humility. That is incredibly stupid of you. Incredibly stupid

Would you use a credit card? Thereby aid and abet usury?

Excellemt use of words there. Tony's own admission is that he does "aid and abet" usury

Jesus hung around with "dodgy" characters for one reason.To attempt to get them to change.

That insight is based on what exactly?

Jesus hung around with a lot of dodgy and undesirable characters.

And a lot of returning the favour

So is it prejudiced to not associate with rapists,murderers, muggers of elderly etc,all of whom are irrefutably sinners?

Ask yourself what harm a rapist/murderer/mugger does?
Ask yourself what harm a lesbian does (by virtue of being a lesbian)?

If the answers are different then, being logical, your response to them will be different. .asic stuff,

It provides a guide  for living (Ten Commandments) etc.

The 10 commandments are largely bollocks. The sense that is in then (try not to kill people etc) was hardly revolutionary. Pretty sure people were aware of this before the loon on the hill got involved. Those who preclude themselves from human slaughter today (amd I count myself amongst them) are suffering from acute mental problems if there reason for abstaining is the 10 commandments.

Moses certainly was not a moral man and certainly someone to avoid if looking for moral guidance.  By today's standards he was not only maniac but a cnut of the first rank.

Look everyone is free to do what they want but don't accuse anyone who believes activities to be wrong and sinful,of being prejudiced against those who engage in these activities

the key to this is the word believes. People can believe anything they like (you only have to read your posts). But when those beliefs impact on others in a non-sensical way and without anything to back them up then expect to be called prejudiced.

Jesus associated with sinners in an attempt to turn them away from sin,that was his mission.

As regards your other points I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God and follow the interpretation of it by my Church.I don't need or expect Worldly corroboration,that's not what faith is about

Who did he turn away? Who did he reject or shun?

Does he "let he without sin cast the first stone" stance or his condemation of the rules-based pharisees not provide chrisitians with some guidance or instruction?

Following the interpretation of the bible by your church is hardly thinking for yourself. It is the passing on of responsibility for your decisions and prejudices to another.

I would not associate with any sinner (family or otherwise) who refuses to accept they are committing sin.Naturally if they were trying to move away from sin that would be a different story.

Not following in the "way of the lord" then?

It looks like an absolute rejection of jesus' message

Er,,having studied that "dogma" and using my own mind to decide that I accept it,without any external coercion,is in fact me thinking for myself.

And when you can't see corroboration of biblical content from the real world do you reject it?
If you see something labelled sinful or wrong in the bible do you challenge it and ask if it really is wrong?

What is fundamentalist about believing that salvation requires belief in Jesus,and avoidance of sin and sincere repentance therefrom? Is this not the basic belief of all mainstream Churches?

Very simple really and quite logical.Essentially getting what one deserves.If this is not the case and we are all destined for heaven why did Christ come to Earth? If God doesn't exist what is the point of life?

A few post earlier you said god must be obeyed. You use the mere inclusion on the bible as dictat that some rule or other must be followed. This is not logical. It is fundamentalism.

As for why did "christ" come to earth - i would imagine the carpenter boyo getting the ride outta Mary might have had something to do with it. Now that is logic.

I read recently that Gerry himself on a visit to S Armagh told the locals to tone down criminal activity and was told in no uncertain terms to "F..k Off!"

Who exactly was he talking to?

It's probably a stupid question and I suspect I know the answer already -
Why are the Sinn Painers so reticent to condemn or try to stop the criminality in South Armagh?

Its not a stupid question. In fact its a question that should be asked on SF members at the beginning of every TV interview

I see the SDLP are saying they'll lose a third of their Assembly seats in the next Election.

Maybe a more vocal stance on some of the criminality that nationalist/repbublican areas are being subjected to might bring success. And a determination to work with statutory agencies to break these gangs.

Maybe the SDLP should just exit the stage now. Since Hume left they've been a failure. They offer nothing.

You only have to look at yesterday's events to see the shocking audacity of the criminal element in South Armagh. The shinners have all the integrity of absentee landlords in tackling this issue. There is an opportunity for others and the SDLP under eastwood would be best placed

If you are a Christian and a Believer what other approach is valid? If we are all going to Heaven regardless what was the point of Jesus' earthly ministry?

What then is the point of the Ten Commandments?

All good questions there Tony. Piss poor answers though

I see the SDLP are saying they'll lose a third of their Assembly seats in the next Election.

Maybe a more vocal stance on some of the criminality that nationalist/repbublican areas are being subjected to might bring success. And a determination to work with statutory agencies to break these gangs.