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Another Examiner piece for Snapchap's silly amusement...

Why don't you put forward your own arguments (and not your usual straw men sh1te) instead of posing FF puff pieces from their client journalists.

Just putting up 2 adult pieces which puts a load of points that need to be considered.
But easier to parrot slogans and attack "freestaters"(sic).

So you have "freestaters" in quotation marks even though I never used the phrase at all. You couldn't even make it one reply without a straw man 😅

Another Examiner piece for Snapchap's silly amusement...

Why don't you put forward your own arguments (and not your usual straw men sh1te) instead of posing FF puff pieces from their client journalists.

Mick Clifford 😂

Yes. On a protracted timeline that may not be workable and then gleefully using it to undermine the bona fides of FF or FG as interested in a United Ireland.

FF/FG have spent decades undermining themselves when it comes to their interest in a UI. They hardly need help from SF or anyone else to show them up on that front. FFS Micheal Martin point blank refuses to say that he is even "a persuader" for unity.

Have they? I do recall them playing a heavy role in the Peace Process.

Yeah you're probably right. I mean, they have had a hundred yesrs to stand candidates north of the border and have never done so, but instead delegated issues related to the north to the Department of "Foreign Affairs". And, again, so invested are they in Irish Unity that the leader of FF refuses to even say he is a persuader in favour it.

Yes. On a protracted timeline that may not be workable and then gleefully using it to undermine the bona fides of FF or FG as interested in a United Ireland.

FF/FG have spent decades undermining themselves when it comes to their interest in a UI. They hardly need help from SF or anyone else to show them up on that front. FFS Micheal Martin point blank refuses to say that he is even "a persuader" for unity.

If the SF Bill (or stunt) had been passed would that make Ireland united???

FFG were clear they aren't against the spirit of it, but were unsure about the strict timelines. It's common at national and local government level to be in favour of the spirit of something but oppose the substantive measures in a bill. That doesn't mean an opposition in principle.

SF and their fanboys will paint it that way, of course.

Is it also common for parties to find nitpicking excuses to oppose a bill which they would like to pretend they otherwise support?

That's called scrutiny. It's not "nitpicking".

So the idea that a party would come up with an excuse for not supporting a bill they'd otherwise like to say the'd support, is just fanciful? The sort of cynical thing that politicians wouldn't do?

Quite frankly, yes. Why would an administration tie itself to deadlines that may not be workable?

Like on housing, or building childrens hospitals for example?

Not a reason to continue setting unreasonable deadlines.

So this is the nudge they needed to see the light and they're now going to stop setting unachievable deadlines on things like housing and children's hospitals?

If the SF Bill (or stunt) had been passed would that make Ireland united???

FFG were clear they aren't against the spirit of it, but were unsure about the strict timelines. It's common at national and local government level to be in favour of the spirit of something but oppose the substantive measures in a bill. That doesn't mean an opposition in principle.

SF and their fanboys will paint it that way, of course.

Is it also common for parties to find nitpicking excuses to oppose a bill which they would like to pretend they otherwise support?

That's called scrutiny. It's not "nitpicking".

So the idea that a party would come up with an excuse for not supporting a bill they'd otherwise like to say the'd support, is just fanciful? The sort of cynical thing that politicians wouldn't do?

Quite frankly, yes. Why would an administration tie itself to deadlines that may not be workable?

Like on housing, or building childrens hospitals for example?

If the SF Bill (or stunt) had been passed would that make Ireland united???

FFG were clear they aren't against the spirit of it, but were unsure about the strict timelines. It's common at national and local government level to be in favour of the spirit of something but oppose the substantive measures in a bill. That doesn't mean an opposition in principle.

SF and their fanboys will paint it that way, of course.

Is it also common for parties to find nitpicking excuses to oppose a bill which they would like to pretend they otherwise support?

That's called scrutiny. It's not "nitpicking".

So the idea that a party would come up with an excuse for not supporting a bill they'd otherwise like to say the'd support, is just fanciful? The sort of cynical thing that politicians wouldn't do?

If the SF Bill (or stunt) had been passed would that make Ireland united???

FFG were clear they aren't against the spirit of it, but were unsure about the strict timelines. It's common at national and local government level to be in favour of the spirit of something but oppose the substantive measures in a bill. That doesn't mean an opposition in principle.

SF and their fanboys will paint it that way, of course.

Is it also common for parties to find nitpicking excuses to oppose a bill which they would like to pretend they otherwise support?

If the SF Bill (or stunt) had been passed would that make Ireland united???

You really are in a league of your own when it comes to straw man arguments, ross. Was anyone arguing that it would have mdae Ireland united? But an Irish government for the first time beginning to initiate planning for reunification certainly would have been a significant and hugely symbolic step. Sadly, FF is led by a man who, in an interview not that long ago, refused say that he would even describe himself as a persuarder for Irish unity.

Probably should have put this is the Far Right thread...but is Farage about to announce is stepping down??

Tweeted that that he "will make a statement on my future in public life at 2pm".

Any new recommendations?

[he at least had integrity]

Starmer gone, was very poor, just like the last 4/5 PM.

Real shame. Unlike the last 4/5 PM, he at least had integrity, cared for this country and was transparently pro-EU.

Are you serious? Ask Jeremy Corbyn is Starmer is a man of intergirty, if you ever get the chance.

Integrity is fine until one takes up some of the positions Corbyn did.

Positions Starmer supported, until he sensed the career opportunity that lay on the other side of a betrayal.

[he at least had integrity]

Starmer gone, was very poor, just like the last 4/5 PM.

Real shame. Unlike the last 4/5 PM, he at least had integrity, cared for this country and was transparently pro-EU.

Are you serious? Ask Jeremy Corbyn is Starmer is a man of intergirty, if you ever get the chance.

Gavin Robinson talking about how the anger "will be hard to control".

DUP speak for "get out and wreck the place lads".

...And the lads duly oblige...and in a tale as old as old as time when it comes the the leaders of political unionism, Gavin is busily washing his hands of those he incited to wreck the place.