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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8175 on: May 06, 2021, 05:56:17 PM »
Always thought for sf to really progress they needed rid of ones like her.
I assume you mean in Derry? Elsewhere, SF have done nothing but progress dramatically.

Martina Anderson may not have been the greatest political communicator but she spent 13 years in jail for her role in fighting for a wholly just cause and for that she has my respect. It's a mark of her character that she hasn't thrown the dummy out of the pram over how this was handled, accepted the reasons for it and remains committed to the party. Best wishes to her.

She isn't committed to SF. She's committed to the struggle.
Lesson here for everyone. Once you are past your usefulness, SF will dump you, no matter who you are.

She was primarily committed to the pound sterling

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« Reply #8176 on: May 06, 2021, 06:14:05 PM »
Only in the 26 Cos between May 19 and Feb 20.
Dropoed 6 or 7 % in the North between 2017 and 2019.

SF didnt grow significantly in the south until May 19? They went from 4 to 14 seats in the 2011 election. In 2016 they went from 14 to to 23. They now have 37. For the slow learners, the question was whether having Martina Anderson on board was holding SF back from becoming a force. In her time as an elected rep, SF have, as I've stated, progressed dramatically, north and south. Pointing to small dips in electoral fortune and overlooking the overall story of huge growth is some show of desperation.

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« Reply #8177 on: May 06, 2021, 06:16:23 PM »
Always thought for sf to really progress they needed rid of ones like her.
I assume you mean in Derry? Elsewhere, SF have done nothing but progress dramatically.

Martina Anderson may not have been the greatest political communicator but she spent 13 years in jail for her role in fighting for a wholly just cause and for that she has my respect. It's a mark of her character that she hasn't thrown the dummy out of the pram over how this was handled, accepted the reasons for it and remains committed to the party. Best wishes to her.

She isn't committed to SF. She's committed to the struggle.
Lesson here for everyone. Once you are past your usefulness, SF will dump you, no matter who you are.

Political party in attempt to run candidates they think will boost their vote? Chilling stuff alright.

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« Reply #8178 on: May 06, 2021, 07:07:32 PM »
Only in the 26 Cos between May 19 and Feb 20.
Dropoed 6 or 7 % in the North between 2017 and 2019.

SF didnt grow significantly in the south until May 19? They went from 4 to 14 seats in the 2011 election. In 2016 they went from 14 to to 23. They now have 37. For the slow learners, the question was whether having Martina Anderson on board was holding SF back from becoming a force. In her time as an elected rep, SF have, as I've stated, progressed dramatically, north and south. Pointing to small dips in electoral fortune and overlooking the overall story of huge growth is some show of desperation.

I think it doesn’t serve Sf well to think they have had “huge growth” without analysing it. The demographics in the North have been progressively favouring “nationalism” . However in the North the “nationalist “ vote has not increased pro-rata. Sf gains have been mainly at the expense of SDLP and the rivalry between SF and SDLP has not served the “nationalist “ population well.
Much as many have considerable difficulties with SF,  (and IMO they should look to show more  remorse for republican violence , and follow appropriate party structure and integrity guidelines ) , most parties in this island also have considerable baggage. SDLP , for whom I have much admiration on many issues, are nowhere near becoming the largest party. Are they brave enough therefore to put less focus on SF bashing , and facilitate SF in becoming the largest part in the assembly , relegating unionism from being the “largest party” for the first time ever . Or do they consider promoting a strong middle ground with Alliance( but that’s unlikely to put Alliance in the position of the largest party ) . Hardline Unionism continues to be in power , and has presided over 100 years of failure( in most parameters) , surely it’s time to move hardline unionism aside and explore new possibilities. We can’t complain about the status quo if we don’t tactically vote to get rid of it
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« Reply #8179 on: May 06, 2021, 09:19:49 PM »
Well, well, well - Eoghan Harris has got the boot from the Sindo rag because of some twitter account he was involved in.
Im off to read what he was tweeting!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1390400039089016838?s=19
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« Reply #8180 on: May 06, 2021, 10:50:45 PM »
Well, well, well - Eoghan Harris has got the boot from the Sindo rag because of some twitter account he was involved in.
Im off to read what he was tweeting!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1390400039089016838?s=19

Imagine getting fired for masquerading as an auld wan called Babs sending anti-Sinn Fein tweets on Twitter after spending half your life getting paid to write anti-Sinn Fein diatribes on the Indo. Two sets of dunces.
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« Reply #8181 on: May 06, 2021, 11:00:24 PM »
Well, well, well - Eoghan Harris has got the boot from the Sindo rag because of some twitter account he was involved in.
Im off to read what he was tweeting!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1390400039089016838?s=19

Imagine getting fired for masquerading as an auld wan called Babs sending anti-Sinn Fein tweets on Twitter after spending half your life getting paid to write anti-Sinn Fein diatribes on the Indo. Two sets of dunces.
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« Reply #8182 on: May 07, 2021, 11:55:55 AM »
Always thought for sf to really progress they needed rid of ones like her.
I assume you mean in Derry? Elsewhere, SF have done nothing but progress dramatically.

Martina Anderson may not have been the greatest political communicator but she spent 13 years in jail for her role in fighting for a wholly just cause and for that she has my respect. It's a mark of her character that she hasn't thrown the dummy out of the pram over how this was handled, accepted the reasons for it and remains committed to the party. Best wishes to her.

SF vote reduced overall

In Derry, as I mentioned.

Nationally, SF have been progressing dramatically, as I mentioned.

It dropped overall percentage share in the north. In the free state they were badly stagnating and then they became the party of protest which yes led to an unexpected revival, so much so some of their candidates were off on hols during the counts.

I've said many times, get them in South of the border , it will be very interesting
There were specific reasons why it dropped, eg giving Claire Hanna a free run. The next assembly election will tell how it's going. But Anderson and her ilk are a turnoff not only in Derry, I'd say McCallion who is Anderson's niece was a large part of the reason why the inept Eastwood won by such a large margin. I'd say the vote for SF and the SDLP will be pretty stable at the next election. Unionism seems to be drifting towards Alliance.

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« Reply #8183 on: May 07, 2021, 11:57:30 AM »
Always thought for sf to really progress they needed rid of ones like her.
I assume you mean in Derry? Elsewhere, SF have done nothing but progress dramatically.

Martina Anderson may not have been the greatest political communicator but she spent 13 years in jail for her role in fighting for a wholly just cause and for that she has my respect. It's a mark of her character that she hasn't thrown the dummy out of the pram over how this was handled, accepted the reasons for it and remains committed to the party. Best wishes to her.

She isn't committed to SF. She's committed to the struggle.
Lesson here for everyone. Once you are past your usefulness, SF will dump you, no matter who you are.

She was primarily committed to the pound sterling
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Are you Eoghan Harris? All parties drop people who are past vote winning. At least try to be balanced.

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« Reply #8185 on: May 11, 2021, 12:04:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/Caitlin_Burke7/status/1391801904724914179
This is absolutely delusional. Martina Anderson walked out of jail and into jobs within SF that also allowed her a degree of privilege most of us won't get. Whilst she may well be hurt at being held accountable that is the nature of life in business and politics. No-one has the right to remain in post indefinitely and 17,000 voter migrating to the SDLP was the judgement of the electorate. I'd guess her SF pensions are secure as well and that's as it should be. I am not judging the rights or wrongs of the armed struggle but those were decisions she and her husband made. As a middle of the road nationalist I am put off by the types of ill judged remarks that she has made. As I said no one is untouchable and as the saying goes all political careers are destined to end in failure.

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« Reply #8186 on: May 11, 2021, 12:20:15 PM »
I see the family believe Martina was 'scarified' by SF ... if so, horrific treatment indeed and to be condemned by all  ::)

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« Reply #8187 on: May 11, 2021, 12:23:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/Caitlin_Burke7/status/1391801904724914179
This is absolutely delusional. Martina Anderson walked out of jail and into jobs within SF that also allowed her a degree of privilege most of us won't get. Whilst she may well be hurt at being held accountable that is the nature of life in business and politics. No-one has the right to remain in post indefinitely and 17,000 voter migrating to the SDLP was the judgement of the electorate. I'd guess her SF pensions are secure as well and that's as it should be. I am not judging the rights or wrongs of the armed struggle but those were decisions she and her husband made. As a middle of the road nationalist I am put off by the types of ill judged remarks that she has made. As I said no one is untouchable and as the saying goes all political careers are destined to end in failure.

That would be my thinking too. Getting rid of someone like her will make middle of the road nationalists more likely to vote SF. To me it is a positive for SF and not a negative.

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« Reply #8188 on: May 11, 2021, 12:27:29 PM »
The equivalent of a wife or girlfriend runs to the press when her fella was dropped from the squad.

It's politics, you're only around as long as you're useful.
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« Reply #8189 on: May 11, 2021, 01:14:45 PM »
These are the type of gimps running around Derry pissing people off and bullying on social media(cant batter them up the back of Creggan shops anymore)