The US policing crisis thread

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foxcommander

Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!


Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

whitey

Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 10:34:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
I've been in several bars in Boston and have never been asked for a passport :) Maybe I look like a Yank. Damn Runners with Jeans!

The only time I wasn't asked was if it was mainly a restaurant or once in a very locals bar away from the city centre. Every other time, its a passport.

There's supposedly 300,000 students in Boston, so some bars just make it a policy of id-ing everyone.

Other bars that have had "issues", may be forced by the licensing board to adopt a similar policy.

Someone else was telling me that a bar can lower the premium on their public liability insurance by having stringent I'd checks.....so from time to time you actually get scanned in like at the airport.

That's fair enough, but I have been with guys approaching 60, who were refused, because they didn't have ID (they would only accept a passport). Have to say one of them blew a gasket completely and it was one of the funniest things I've seen. Picture a grey, balding beer-bellied Irishman, with a bad knee, arguing over whether has ID to prove he is over 21.

Were ye drunk and roaring and shouting as you came up the street? Or were ye wearing wife beater tee shirts? 

muppet

Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.
MWWSI 2017

foxcommander

Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter
Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

easytiger95

Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

heganboy

Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

I think we actually have had a few campaigns over the last few thousand years #everyoneslivesmatter

some of the celeb sponsors have been #Jesus #Mohammed (#nopics!) #Gandhi #buddha and a few other well known commies and lefties.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

foxcommander

Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Please quote where I stated that.

Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

whitey

#412
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

muppet

Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

Some of the worst atrocities against the Irish in Ireland were carried out by Irish people. But they were carried out on behalf of the British.

By your logic the Brits were never guilty of anything against the Irish.
MWWSI 2017

Clov

Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

I think this is were we disagree. For me his innocence or guilt is irrelevant to his treatment while in police custody. Moreover, it seems to me it is irrelevant to the rest of the article. That line could read that he was a known drug dealer, as you put it, and the entire rest of the article would stand as written.
"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit"

foxcommander

Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 09:21:57 PM
I think this is were we disagree. For me his innocence or guilt is irrelevant to his treatment while in police custody. Moreover, it seems to me it is irrelevant to the rest of the article. That line could read that he was a known drug dealer, as you put it, and the entire rest of the article would stand as written.

I agree with that. Should not have happened.
But the media portrayal and with your article saying that he was a random citizen being picked on by the police for no particular reason is misleading of the facts.
The police have a tough job to do to keep the streets safe. Without enforcing the law and catching criminals it wouldn't be liveable for everyone else. Look what happens in the streets when police don't intervene...riots and looting galore, and that would be just the start of it.

Maybe they need more social workers and can wheel out the "come from a broken home" excuse for the behaviour.



Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

easytiger95

Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

And before you go on with that kind of ridiculous riposte, credit us with a little intelligence, even if we live outside the intellectual powerhouse that is the United States. The identity and race of the alleged murderers is not the issue. The issue is Foxcommander's implications that he deserved it because he was a drug dealer - and there is the dog whistle moment, because of course , the vast majority of drug dealers are black. Now of course, we could bring up the fact that as a black person, you are many times more likely to be incarcerated than than a white person arrested and convicted for the same crime. But that would be just playing the game.

Please don't come on here expecting not to be called out for coded racism when you are plainly using it. We are not thick, and some of the attitudes on here are atrocious. No point calling them anything other than what they are.

whitey

Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray’s death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

Some of the worst atrocities against the Irish in Ireland were carried out by Irish people. But they were carried out on behalf of the British.

By your logic the Brits were never guilty of anything against the Irish.

Changing the subject again I see

whitey

Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

And before you go on with that kind of ridiculous riposte, credit us with a little intelligence, even if we live outside the intellectual powerhouse that is the United States. The identity and race of the alleged murderers is not the issue. The issue is Foxcommander's implications that he deserved it because he was a drug dealer - and there is the dog whistle moment, because of course , the vast majority of drug dealers are black. Now of course, we could bring up the fact that as a black person, you are many times more likely to be incarcerated than than a white person arrested and convicted for the same crime. But that would be just playing the game.

Please don't come on here expecting not to be called out for coded racism when you are plainly using it. We are not thick, and some of the attitudes on here are atrocious. No point calling them anything other than what they are.

Dog whistle....shmog whistle

Are some cops bullies?   Yes

Are some cops rascist? Absolutely

Are some cops thundering ar$eholes? Bet your life they are

But is EVERY incident between cop and a person of color rooted in Rascism-not on your life!!!

foxcommander

Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 11, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on June 11, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Clov on June 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/adam-shatz/freddie-gray

"It's true that some protesters in Baltimore exploited the rage over Gray's death to loot and destroy property"

No way!!

"It's not clear why he was a person of interest, other than that he was a young black male"

Omitted that Freddie Gray was a known drug dealer. The article loses any credibility.

Don't see how that matters?

It does if you are trying to paint someone in an innocent light to justify your article.
If he had previous it's disingenuous to say "not clear why he was a person of interest". Peddling drugs is an offence is it not? That's why he ran.

Selling crack to kids. What a good chap. Defend his rights to deal Muppet!!

No one is defending anyone's right to deal.

You are denying any of these people the right to even a trial, never mind the right to live.

Muppet - start your campaign #DrugDealersLivesMatter

So drug dealers are to be killed before trial, in horrible, tortuous ways? Good stuff Foxcommander.

Dog whistle, racist stuff. Glad to see your spiritual king Mr. Limbaugh is suffering a slump in ratings, it's enough to make you think sanity may be returning to at least some areas of the American media.

You do realize that 3/6 of the officers charged in Baltimore are actually BLACK??

baltimore police officers charged

And they are also the ones facing the most serious charges?

https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/s047047812-300.jpg?w=770

So before you go making accusations of rascism, make sure you do just a little research

And before you go on with that kind of ridiculous riposte, credit us with a little intelligence, even if we live outside the intellectual powerhouse that is the United States. The identity and race of the alleged murderers is not the issue. The issue is Foxcommander's implications that he deserved it because he was a drug dealer - and there is the dog whistle moment, because of course , the vast majority of drug dealers are black. Now of course, we could bring up the fact that as a black person, you are many times more likely to be incarcerated than than a white person arrested and convicted for the same crime. But that would be just playing the game.

Please don't come on here expecting not to be called out for coded racism when you are plainly using it. We are not thick, and some of the attitudes on here are atrocious. No point calling them anything other than what they are.

I merely stated that the article failed to mention that he was a known offender (a drug dealer in this case), not picked on at random for his colour. But you can twist it whatever way you like if it suits you.

Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie