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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:57:51 AM »
The most common side effects for all three drugs were fever and headache. Other reported adverse reactions included nausea, joint pain, and dizziness.
That report fails to mention an additional side-effect of the vaccine: Not dying.
f**king science. It's useless.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: Today at 12:22:59 AM »
Do yourself a favour Benny, don't engage.
Keep believing the fiction you want to believe so, no difference between that and cultism

Anyway none of this is related to Palestine

You'd think on a thread on a matter in which one party, Israel, has shown a dogged determination to abuse history, posters might just decide to refrain from their giving us their own version of an abuse of history, but clearly the lessons are not getting through to one or two of them

Did you believe the ‘ra’ were right in their struggle? I’ve seen posts which you believed they were. Hard to tell with you, you’re like the weather
Ah shure you're a bit like a typical day of weather up North yourself - fairly dull and a bit windy.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 11:32:30 PM »
Do yourself a favour Benny, don't engage.
Keep believing the fiction you want to believe so, no difference between that and cultism

Anyway none of this is related to Palestine

You'd think on a thread on a matter in which one party, Israel, has shown a dogged determination to abuse history, posters might just decide to refrain from their giving us their own version of an abuse of history, but clearly the lessons are not getting through to one or two of them

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 11:23:03 PM »
The effects of the Famine lasted several generations in Ireland. Israel is a case of collective Holocaust trauma.
This drives the violence.  This paper is worth a read if you have the time.

https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/701010

I dont think Ireland spent those generations creating Ghettos, stealing lands and indiscriminately blowing civilians to pieces. There are evil forces in Israel that are using the holocaust to further their own goals. Its is disgusting that a people so wronged could turn around and do the same thing to another people, a people who were victims of vile propaganda and now using that propaganda style to demonise Palestinians, and to justify horrendous war crimes. Goebbels would be impressed if he was here to see it. It is also disgusting that the UN (especially the Americans) learn nothing from the history of WW2 and fail to act against such a heinous regime as Israel.
There was a lot of drinking. Plus shunting women into institutions.
Israel is obviously worse but trauma make people do awful things.
Israel will never be a normal country.

Ah ffs Seafood would you atop that rubbish. Famine (I prefer genocide) had nothing to do with shunting women into anything, that was the Catholic Church, not some "trauma"
The Irish Famine was not a genocide

Historical accuracy is important because if historical accuracy is deemed to not be important, that's the road to tyranny and genocide

I think I sense a pattern here with this poster

I believe the British reaction, or lack of, to the Irish famine, was most definitely genocide.
You might believe it but serious historical scholars don't

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 10:43:42 PM »
The effects of the Famine lasted several generations in Ireland. Israel is a case of collective Holocaust trauma.
This drives the violence.  This paper is worth a read if you have the time.

https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/701010

I dont think Ireland spent those generations creating Ghettos, stealing lands and indiscriminately blowing civilians to pieces. There are evil forces in Israel that are using the holocaust to further their own goals. Its is disgusting that a people so wronged could turn around and do the same thing to another people, a people who were victims of vile propaganda and now using that propaganda style to demonise Palestinians, and to justify horrendous war crimes. Goebbels would be impressed if he was here to see it. It is also disgusting that the UN (especially the Americans) learn nothing from the history of WW2 and fail to act against such a heinous regime as Israel.
There was a lot of drinking. Plus shunting women into institutions.
Israel is obviously worse but trauma make people do awful things.
Israel will never be a normal country.

Ah ffs Seafood would you atop that rubbish. Famine (I prefer genocide) had nothing to do with shunting women into anything, that was the Catholic Church, not some "trauma"
The Irish Famine was not a genocide

Historical accuracy is important because if historical accuracy is deemed to not be important, that's the road to tyranny and genocide

I think I sense a pattern here with this poster

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 10:41:41 PM »
Some people think America is a democracy, what idiots.
Much as the Republicans desperately desire otherwise, America is still a democracy

And to say otherwise makes you an idiot
A very weak democracy.
If Biden/Harris lose the next election all bets are off.

We are in Gatsby time again

“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.” F Scott Fitzgerald
Oh there's no doubt it's a weakening democracy because one party is nakedly anti-democracy

That's not in doubt

But as of the latest elections, the US was still able to vote out the despot

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 07:20:12 PM »
Some people think America is a democracy, what idiots.
Much as the Republicans desperately desire otherwise, America is still a democracy

And to say otherwise makes you an idiot

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 05:30:04 PM »
Russia currently occupies parts of three sovereign countries.

Russia is in no way a victim of any propaganda campaign, it is a dangerous, rotten, colonialist state, just like Israel is.


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 12:30:10 PM »
Antisemitism refers to  when Jews are weak and vulnerable. Eg beating up a rabbi in London on Sunday. That's antisemitic.
Criticising Israel's savagery has nothing to do with antisemitism.
Criticising Israel's savagery has nothing to do with anti-Semitism but there are too many people commenting online who are ignorant of the framework through which this must be done and veer into either dodgy linguistic territory, or outright anti-Semitism

There was a now deleted post on this forum last week which did that in the worst way possible, Israel loves opinions like that, it highlights them and tars the entire Palestinian cause as extremist, the video from London on Sunday was a disaster in that regard

Those who support the Palestinian cause for good reasons - and they are the overwhelming majority - have to be aware that there are genuine anti-Semites out there who like to hop on the bandwagon when it suits them

These anti-Semitic bandwagon hoppers do immense harm to the Palestinian cause


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 12:20:18 PM »
Hamas itself was at least partly a creation of Israel itself, they funded it as an attempt at divide and rule

This is never brought up internationally

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

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"Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote."

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 12:14:45 PM »
Stuff like this needs to be highlighted much more because it's an easy rebuttal to those who talk about Israel supposedly wanting peace or supposedly wanting a two state solution - they don't

Netanyahu speaking in 2014:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/#ixzz392DqMJCW

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He made explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank. He indicated that he sees Israel standing almost alone on the frontlines against vicious Islamic radicalism, while the rest of the as-yet free world does its best not to notice the march of extremism. And he more than intimated that he considers the current American, John Kerry-led diplomatic team to be, let’s be polite, naive.

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Netanyahu has stressed often in the past that he doesn’t want Israel to become a binational state — implying that he favors some kind of accommodation with and separation from the Palestinians. But on Friday he made explicit that this could not extend to full Palestinian sovereignty. Why? Because, given the march of Islamic extremism across the Middle East, he said, Israel simply cannot afford to give up control over the territory immediately to its east, including the eastern border — that is, the border between Israel and Jordan, and the West Bank and Jordan.

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The priority right now, Netanyahu stressed, was to “take care of Hamas.” But the wider lesson of the current escalation was that Israel had to ensure that “we don’t get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria.” Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 12:02:28 PM »
This passage is contained in “Flat Earth News” by Nick Davies (2008)

…the most potent electric fence in the world is the one erected on behalf of the Israeli government…journalists who write stories which offend the politics of the Israeli lobby are subjected to a campaign of formal complaints and pressure on their editors; most of all, they are inundated with letters and emails which can be extravagant in their hostility…there is now a network of pro-Israel pressure groups who specialise in orchestrating complaints against the media. HonestReporting has offices in London, New York and Toronto and claims to have 140,000 members on whom it can call to drench media organisations in letters and emails (he goes on to describe many more pro-Israel pressure groups)…the result is that some facts become too dangerous: to report Palestinian casualties; to depict the Palestinians as victims of Israeli occupation; to refer to the historic ousting of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes; to refer to the killing of Palestinian civilians by Zionist groups in the 1940s…words become dangerous: to speak of ‘occupied territories’; to describe Palestinian bombers as anything other than ‘terrorists’; to reject the Israeli government euphemism of ‘targeted killings’. Crucially, there is no lobby of similar force on the Palestinian side.
I think things have changed somewhat since 2008. Jimmy Carter was excoriated for his book "Peace or Apartheid" because he dared to call the occupation apartheid.
Now they even use the word on MSNBC. Israeli spokespeople are seen as hysterical/groupthinking.

Netanyahu's strategy of reaching out to countries like Sudan (which needed to regain access to international markets) and the UAE while ignoring the Palestinians has failed. The future of Israel is very unclear.

I don't think things have changed at all

Ursula von der Leyen's tweet last week is proof of that

The treatment of Corbyn is proof of that

The Biden administration in the US carries the hope of some progressive change domestically and internationally but Israel is the one area where they carry no hope whatsoever of any sort of progressive change

Israel has the power, and that's all it cares about

The international community - in terms of where power lies - operates on the basis that it must never touch the electric fence of offending Israel in any way

I think things are worse than in 2008 to be honest

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 11:35:20 AM »

Banned from UEFA and the song contest... the fact they are even in there in the first place shows the levels to which their lobby has infiltrated just about any organization that helps their propagandists. The Zionists are the modern day Nazi's; a bloodcurdling insult to the victims of the holocaust .
I myself think the way the Israeli government behave towards the Palestinian people is an insult to the victims of the Holocaust but as soon as you start calling Israelis Nazis it is a disaster for the advancement of the Palestinian cause internationally, it is easy for Israel to frame such language as anti-Semitic - this is Israel's meat and drink in terms of neutralising opposition



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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 11:30:33 AM »
This passage is contained in “Flat Earth News” by Nick Davies (2008)

…the most potent electric fence in the world is the one erected on behalf of the Israeli government…journalists who write stories which offend the politics of the Israeli lobby are subjected to a campaign of formal complaints and pressure on their editors; most of all, they are inundated with letters and emails which can be extravagant in their hostility…there is now a network of pro-Israel pressure groups who specialise in orchestrating complaints against the media. HonestReporting has offices in London, New York and Toronto and claims to have 140,000 members on whom it can call to drench media organisations in letters and emails (he goes on to describe many more pro-Israel pressure groups)…the result is that some facts become too dangerous: to report Palestinian casualties; to depict the Palestinians as victims of Israeli occupation; to refer to the historic ousting of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes; to refer to the killing of Palestinian civilians by Zionist groups in the 1940s…words become dangerous: to speak of ‘occupied territories’; to describe Palestinian bombers as anything other than ‘terrorists’; to reject the Israeli government euphemism of ‘targeted killings’. Crucially, there is no lobby of similar force on the Palestinian side.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: May 18, 2021, 09:57:33 AM »
3 times this week the UN Security Council met.

Ireland has a seat on this council, and 3 times this week, the
USA under Joe Biden, has vetoed any attempts to intervene, including 3 refusals to call for a ceasefire.

Joe Biden is giving Israel the green light to continue with what they are doing, and not only that,
the week before the attacks began, he approved a $750 million mutations supply to Israel.

No doubt those bombs could have been used in the current attacks on Gaza.

I'm sick of hearing people say "we call on the international community to speak out and take action"

The International community, under the UN Security Council, is willing to speak out, but Joe Biden says no.

Because the USA has a veto over every UN Resolution, and they use it every time when it comes to Israel.

So much for democracy, and the International community speaking out.

So instead of calling out for the International community to speak out, how about those with close links to
Joe Biden here in Ireland pick up the phone, and who were proud to support him a few months ago, and which he capitalised on,
implore him to intervene and stop this bloodshed.

They have his number, and his ear.

Why are they not calling him themselves instead of asking others to do so?

Joe Biden likes to talk about how his ancestors left Ireland in 1850, and his ties to Louth and Mayo.

What would his ancestors think of him now as he green lights the death and destruction in Gaza before our eyes?

And don't start me on the Boyle brothers, the sons of Donegal, who are the leading cheerleaders for Israel.

Before the bodies of the 24 men women and children who were killed by Israeli airstrikes, were buried on Monday, 
Congressman Brendan Boyle issued a statement saying Israel had a right to defend itself.

It's high time we called out the great supporters of Ireland over their support for Israel.

It's time to call a spade a spade, and make Ireland a cold house for those Irish loving US politicians
who currently support the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

They need called out, and those who give them a platform, need to be called out as well.

The cow can't forget it was a calf.
That's a good idea as regards Irish-America

I genuinely cannot understand how any Irish-American cannot see the parallels between Ireland and Palestine

It is either
i) a deliberate misunderstanding or rejection of Irish history
or
ii) cowardice

I think it's both actually

The start of the road to ending apartheid in South Africa was sporting boycotts

FIFA banned South Africa around about 1963/64 I think, that was followed by a cricket ban after the d'Oliveira affair around 1969

Steadily, the concept of ostracising South Africa from the international community became more and more common sense in the minds of the people of the international community

If Israel could be banned from, say UEFA events, or the Eurovision Song Contest, that would legitimise the concept of boycotting it internationally in a host of other areas, it would show that it is possible, and maybe it could grow from there

Whataboutery is a cancer on public debate and that's what Israel and its defenders do

They ask why do you want to boycott Israel, what about China,"that shows you're anti-Semitic!"

We need to come up with serious answers to these questions

Perhaps the Palestinian cause needs to ally firmly with the causes of other oppressed peoples such as the Uyghurs - and oppressed peoples in majority Muslim countries, such as the Kurds

There really needs to be some sort of a broad worldwide pro-freedom front encompassing oppressed peoples

What I do know is that whataboutery is a tool to enable tyranny and destroy good faith pubic debate





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