TG4 - Club Championships Coverage

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Taylor

Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
It might have been entertaining but the quality was lacking. Wouldn't have been an intermediate final in many counties.

Football snobbery at its finest there!

That's a bit like someone incorrectly assuming Tyrone club football isn't up to much because their winners rarely if ever, do anything in the Ulster Club.

Although Tyrone teams, especially at intermediate and junior, are often very good. The senior teams in tyrone are very good too but just not at the level off the top clubs in the province

Or perhaps it is because the lack of challenges other clubs have in their county (Kilcoo/Crossmaglen) means they are fresher coming into the Ulster Club while the Tyrone champions will have likely had to plough through quality opposition to get there.

See Kerry/Dublin as evidence in their provinces

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2021, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
It might have been entertaining but the quality was lacking. Wouldn't have been an intermediate final in many counties.

Football snobbery at its finest there!

That's a bit like someone incorrectly assuming Tyrone club football isn't up to much because their winners rarely if ever, do anything in the Ulster Club.

Although Tyrone teams, especially at intermediate and junior, are often very good. The senior teams in tyrone are very good too but just not at the level off the top clubs in the province

Or perhaps it is because the lack of challenges other clubs have in their county (Kilcoo/Crossmaglen) means they are fresher coming into the Ulster Club while the Tyrone champions will have likely had to plough through quality opposition to get there.

See Kerry/Dublin as evidence in their provinces

Tyrone still straight knockout? or do they slog through a group stage set up?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Taylor

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2021, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
It might have been entertaining but the quality was lacking. Wouldn't have been an intermediate final in many counties.

Football snobbery at its finest there!

That's a bit like someone incorrectly assuming Tyrone club football isn't up to much because their winners rarely if ever, do anything in the Ulster Club.

Although Tyrone teams, especially at intermediate and junior, are often very good. The senior teams in tyrone are very good too but just not at the level off the top clubs in the province

Or perhaps it is because the lack of challenges other clubs have in their county (Kilcoo/Crossmaglen) means they are fresher coming into the Ulster Club while the Tyrone champions will have likely had to plough through quality opposition to get there.

See Kerry/Dublin as evidence in their provinces

Tyrone still straight knockout? or do they slog through a group stage set up?

Down have a back door & Armagh straight KO?


Silver hill

Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2021, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: smort on October 18, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
It might have been entertaining but the quality was lacking. Wouldn't have been an intermediate final in many counties.

Football snobbery at its finest there!

That's a bit like someone incorrectly assuming Tyrone club football isn't up to much because their winners rarely if ever, do anything in the Ulster Club.

Although Tyrone teams, especially at intermediate and junior, are often very good. The senior teams in tyrone are very good too but just not at the level off the top clubs in the province

Or perhaps it is because the lack of challenges other clubs have in their county (Kilcoo/Crossmaglen) means they are fresher coming into the Ulster Club while the Tyrone champions will have likely had to plough through quality opposition to get there.

See Kerry/Dublin as evidence in their provinces

Horse manure.
In Tyrone, it is a brilliant championship because it is straight knockout and there are maybe 8 teams with a genuine shout of winning it in any given year.
But to try to argue that after 4 competitive games to win the county, that they are somehow disadvantaged when it comes to Ulster.....that's just delusional. Maybe after 25 years of no success the conclusion just might be that they are not good enough?

Would agree however, that the  Standard in junior and intermediate in Tyrone is broadly higher than the rest of Ulster.

tiempo

Such is the challenge, winning Tyrone means more to the clubs involved than winning Ulster, its bonus territory, not overly arsed

Whereas Cross and others flipped that paradigm due to their local dominance, Armagh meant nothing, only a starter for the main course

In Tyrone the main course in the Senior champ, Ulster is desert, take it or leave it

Silver hill

When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Main Street

For Cross in their hey day, Ulster was just a mile marker along the way to AI champions.

Blowitupref

Quote from: tiempo on October 18, 2021, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 18, 2021, 08:22:25 AM
It was about as off the ground as the pick up was for Peter Canavan's point in 95...

Very enjoyable game.

Some mount of shite in the rule book too

1.2 When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet.

Exceptions

(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle.

(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.

(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground with the knees.

The Mohill player wasn't in possession so a penalty should have been called? Have regularly seen play waved on when players picks the ball off the ground with their knees. The lack of consistency remains
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Not just in 25 years, Errigal Ciaran were the exception rather than the rule in Ulster. They had a great group players, with Canavan at his peak. The worst thing we ever did was beat them in the Kildress Gold Watch tournament as they got a bee in their bonnet about us ;D

Tyrone clubs have never counted at senior level in Ulster and that's a simple fact. They are all around the same level of quality, which is generally just a bit above Intermediate level, and that's why they never push on.

shawshank

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 18, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Not just in 25 years, Errigal Ciaran were the exception rather than the rule in Ulster. They had a great group players, with Canavan at his peak. The worst thing we ever did was beat them in the Kildress Gold Watch tournament as they got a bee in their bonnet about us ;D

Tyrone clubs have never counted at senior level in Ulster and that's a simple fact. They are all around the same level of quality, which is generally just a bit above Intermediate level, and that's why they never push on.

So we could say the same for every senior club in Armagh as well then, or Fermanagh or Cavan? Cross arrogance slipping out there BCB

tiempo

Quote from: shawshank on October 18, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 18, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Not just in 25 years, Errigal Ciaran were the exception rather than the rule in Ulster. They had a great group players, with Canavan at his peak. The worst thing we ever did was beat them in the Kildress Gold Watch tournament as they got a bee in their bonnet about us ;D

Tyrone clubs have never counted at senior level in Ulster and that's a simple fact. They are all around the same level of quality, which is generally just a bit above Intermediate level, and that's why they never push on.

So we could say the same for every senior club in Armagh as well then, or Fermanagh or Cavan? Cross arrogance slipping out there BCB

Must have missed the episode where Omagh tanked them

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: shawshank on October 18, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 18, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Not just in 25 years, Errigal Ciaran were the exception rather than the rule in Ulster. They had a great group players, with Canavan at his peak. The worst thing we ever did was beat them in the Kildress Gold Watch tournament as they got a bee in their bonnet about us ;D

Tyrone clubs have never counted at senior level in Ulster and that's a simple fact. They are all around the same level of quality, which is generally just a bit above Intermediate level, and that's why they never push on.

So we could say the same for every senior club in Armagh as well then, or Fermanagh or Cavan? Cross arrogance slipping out there BCB

2 other Armagh clubs have won Ulster historically, Mullaghbawn and Clan na Gael. Neither Cavan nor Fermanagh clubs have won it therefore they haven't made any impression. That's not to say there haven't been good teams, Enniskillen Gaels were very strong and probably should have won at least 1, but they didn't. Mullahorn, Gowna, Cavan Gaels all decent but not top level. Simple facts.

@tiempo Omagh didn't rank us but I'm sure they're proud of their Beating Cross in the Championship Cup....

BennyCake

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Quote from: tiempo on October 18, 2021, 03:44:44 PM
Such is the challenge, winning Tyrone means more to the clubs involved than winning Ulster, its bonus territory, not overly arsed

Whereas Cross and others flipped that paradigm due to their local dominance, Armagh meant nothing, only a starter for the main course

In Tyrone the main course in the Senior champ, Ulster is desert, take it or leave it

Not true. Mullaghbawn won the county championship in 1995, but  they were hardly dominating the club scene in Armagh. It was their first title in 30 odd years.

Cross won the county 1996, but hadn't been in a final for 10 years, and then won Ulster dnd the All Ireland at the first attempt. But they werent  exactly dominating armagh before 1996.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 18, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: shawshank on October 18, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 18, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
When no team has done any damage in Ulster for 25 odd years, I suppose that's the easy way to justify it; as in, we're so exhausted and have put so much into it, we're not really that bothered about it......until Trillick or errigal actually do win it and then the narrative will change.

Not just in 25 years, Errigal Ciaran were the exception rather than the rule in Ulster. They had a great group players, with Canavan at his peak. The worst thing we ever did was beat them in the Kildress Gold Watch tournament as they got a bee in their bonnet about us ;D

Tyrone clubs have never counted at senior level in Ulster and that's a simple fact. They are all around the same level of quality, which is generally just a bit above Intermediate level, and that's why they never push on.

So we could say the same for every senior club in Armagh as well then, or Fermanagh or Cavan? Cross arrogance slipping out there BCB

2 other Armagh clubs have won Ulster historically, Mullaghbawn and Clan na Gael. Neither Cavan nor Fermanagh clubs have won it therefore they haven't made any impression. That's not to say there haven't been good teams, Enniskillen Gaels were very strong and probably should have won at least 1, but they didn't. Mullahorn, Gowna, Cavan Gaels all decent but not top level. Simple facts.

@tiempo Omagh didn't rank us but I'm sure they're proud of their Beating Cross in the Championship Cup....

Sure the Fermanagh club team tanked the Tyrone Champions, the best clubs in Ireland are not in Tyrone
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Armagh18

Quote from: BennyCake on October 18, 2021, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: tiempo on October 18, 2021, 03:44:44 PM
Such is the challenge, winning Tyrone means more to the clubs involved than winning Ulster, its bonus territory, not overly arsed

Whereas Cross and others flipped that paradigm due to their local dominance, Armagh meant nothing, only a starter for the main course

In Tyrone the main course in the Senior champ, Ulster is desert, take it or leave it

Not true. Mullaghbawn won the county championship in 1995, but  they were hardly dominating the club scene in Armagh. It was their first title in 30 odd years.

Cross won the county 1996, but hadn't been in a final for 10 years, and then won Ulster dnd the All Ireland at the first attempt. But they werent  exactly dominating armagh before 1996.
That Cross and that Mullaghbawn team were both something else, serious, serious teams. Even at their peak Cross rarely breezed through Armagh, Mullaghbawn, Dromintee Pearse Og's etc always gave them tough games. (I know they did blitz a few finals especially against the Harps and the Nab within the last 10 years)