China Coronavirus

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Gmac

Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2021, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

Hep B is a bloodborne pathogen. You get it from blood, semen and other bodily fluids entering your body through an injection, sex or placental transfer.

You don't get it because someone is yapping ten feet away in the restaurant.
I thought you were good at 6 feet ? Follow the science j70

J70

Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2021, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

Hep B is a bloodborne pathogen. You get it from blood, semen and other bodily fluids entering your body through an injection, sex or placental transfer.

You don't get it because someone is yapping ten feet away in the restaurant.
I thought you were good at 6 feet ? Follow the science j70

You're not "good".

You're "better".

Larry David did an episode of Curb on good and better. Think it was about Hodgkins and non-Hodgkins cancers. He explains it well. ;)

RedHand88

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Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?

Gmac

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

RedHand88

Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

Yes, so now imagine a disease spread by respiratory droplets, particularly indoors. What situation would you consider particularly risky and therefore require vaccination for anyone in that situation?

Gmac

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

Yes, so now imagine a disease spread by respiratory droplets, particularly indoors. What situation would you consider particularly risky and therefore require vaccination for anyone in that situation?
vaccine passports are my problem not vaccines

JoG2

Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

Yes, so now imagine a disease spread by respiratory droplets, particularly indoors. What situation would you consider particularly risky and therefore require vaccination for anyone in that situation?
vaccine passports are my problem not vaccines

Green card?

Gmac

Quote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2021, 09:23:19 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

Yes, so now imagine a disease spread by respiratory droplets, particularly indoors. What situation would you consider particularly risky and therefore require vaccination for anyone in that situation?
vaccine passports are my problem not vaccines

Green card?
showing vaccination status to enter certain buildings

Armagh18

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 01, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
Cases growing in the 26 counties now, there are a lot more than most European countries with good vaccination coverage. People are getting a bit careless.

I think a total lockdown will be needed before Christmas.
That horse has bolted. Any more lockdowns will be 99% ignored especially with younger people.

J70

Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 01, 2021, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 31, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
J&J or Jansen is the weakest of the Vax shots so taking any other product is an upgrade.

They are all disappointing in relation to the hype that originally surrounded them.

I don't see how you can say that they're disappointing if you listened/listen to the scientists. Most scientists are amazed at how successful these vaccines have been. If you look at the success rate of vaccines for other illnesses then the covid vaccines have been incredibly good. Also it's not that unusual to require 3 or 4 shots for vaccines, hepatitis b requires 3 jabs. Real world evidence shows that the booster provides 96% protection against any symptomatic illness from covid.

And in most cases a 4th vaccine a year later if titres are low.
who gets that vaccine? 
Do you need it to eat a burger or have a beer ?
Does it work after the fourth shot or we don't know .

No, because there is no risk of HepB transmission in a restaurant unless you are swapping bodily fluids with the lad at the table beside you.

You do need it to administer injections however, because there is a risk of transmission there.


See the way it makes perfect sense when it's explained?
of course for that particular disease .

Yes, so now imagine a disease spread by respiratory droplets, particularly indoors. What situation would you consider particularly risky and therefore require vaccination for anyone in that situation?
vaccine passports are my problem not vaccines

Why?

thebigfella

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2021, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 01, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
Cases growing in the 26 counties now, there are a lot more than most European countries with good vaccination coverage. People are getting a bit careless.

I think a total lockdown will be needed before Christmas.
That horse has bolted. Any more lockdowns will be 99% ignored especially with younger people.

Hard to ignore if everything is shut. After 3 of them, you do understand how they work  ::)

Armagh18

Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2021, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 01, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
Cases growing in the 26 counties now, there are a lot more than most European countries with good vaccination coverage. People are getting a bit careless.

I think a total lockdown will be needed before Christmas.
That horse has bolted. Any more lockdowns will be 99% ignored especially with younger people.

Hard to ignore if everything is shut. After 3 of them, you do understand how they work  ::)
Meh. Not much pointing making businesses suffer when people will still meet up in different settings. Anyway BoJo hopefully has cut the magic furlough money tree for good now so lockdowns won't be back.

thebigfella

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 02, 2021, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2021, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 01, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
Cases growing in the 26 counties now, there are a lot more than most European countries with good vaccination coverage. People are getting a bit careless.

I think a total lockdown will be needed before Christmas.
That horse has bolted. Any more lockdowns will be 99% ignored especially with younger people.

Hard to ignore if everything is shut. After 3 of them, you do understand how they work  ::)
Meh. Not much pointing making businesses suffer when people will still meet up in different settings. Anyway BoJo hopefully has cut the magic furlough money tree for good now so lockdowns won't be back.

So what is it, no lockdowns because no one will obey or because there is no public money for it?

Jeepers Creepers

They will have to bring in Martial law for another lockdown. The public can't be trusted.