Man Utd Thread:

[bigarsedkeeper]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

Pogba has to go after some of the things coming out in the last few days, never mind the shit he has caused in the past. Any new manager has to say enough of that shit show and show him the door. Lingard and Martial out the door with him. If the younger players think they can behave like that and get away with it the problem is going to keep rolling on.

They're now back to where they were with Jose. Ole is basically on notice until they find a manager that will not give them the shit back that Conte would. The whole coaching staff should have replaced by Tuesday morning if it's as bad as the reports are saying.

Just a small point bigarse....Lingard is 29 in December, Pogba is 29 next March and Martial is doing 27....these aren't young players, these are players who should be at the peak of their games. Ole cannot manage them,  and I suspect no other managers could, except perhaps Zidane

I meant the younger players, like Greenwood, thinking they can behave like that and still get a bumper contract.

[brokencrossbar1]

Got ye....and you're right.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Got ye....and you're right.

Pogba now calling all the reports fake news and they're using his names for headlines.

[sid waddell]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

Pogba has to go after some of the things coming out in the last few days, never mind the shit he has caused in the past. Any new manager has to say enough of that shit show and show him the door. Lingard and Martial out the door with him. If the younger players think they can behave like that and get away with it the problem is going to keep rolling on.

They're now back to where they were with Jose. Ole is basically on notice until they find a manager that will not give them the shit back that Conte would. The whole coaching staff should have replaced by Tuesday morning if it's as bad as the reports are saying.

Just a small point bigarse....Lingard is 29 in December, Pogba is 29 next March and Martial is doing 27....these aren't young players, these are players who should be at the peak of their games. Ole cannot manage them,  and I suspect no other managers could, except perhaps Zidane

David Moyes was well able to manage Lingard. Gareth Southgate is able to manage him.

Didier Deschamps is able to manage Pogba. Conte and Allegri were well able to manage him.

Louis van Gaal was able to manage Martial.

All these players are manageable.

They wouldn't be high level professional footballers if they weren't manageable.

[nrico2006]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

Pogba has to go after some of the things coming out in the last few days, never mind the shit he has caused in the past. Any new manager has to say enough of that shit show and show him the door. Lingard and Martial out the door with him. If the younger players think they can behave like that and get away with it the problem is going to keep rolling on.

They're now back to where they were with Jose. Ole is basically on notice until they find a manager that will not give them the shit back that Conte would. The whole coaching staff should have replaced by Tuesday morning if it's as bad as the reports are saying.

Just a small point bigarse....Lingard is 29 in December, Pogba is 29 next March and Martial is doing 27....these aren't young players, these are players who should be at the peak of their games. Ole cannot manage them,  and I suspect no other managers could, except perhaps Zidane

I don't see anything that indicates Zidane could manage these players and others couldn't.

[Boycey]

I think yis are still barking up the wrong tree. An elite manager could manage them all, well bar Pogba maybe.......

[bigarsedkeeper]

I think yis are still barking up the wrong tree. An elite manager could manage them all, well bar Pogba maybe.......

I agree - from top to bottom United have people learning on the job. Ole hasn't been in the game at this level long enough, Carrick and McKenna haven't proved anything and got jumped up with Jose when he lost his assistant. Darren Fletcher is learning on the job too. I wasn't really on for Conte but I think this teams needs a character like that now but if he says 'outtafaq' the club have to back him up and move those players on.

[laoislad]

Anyone check in on GJL or St Pats Abu? They seem to be gone missing...

[Armamike]

Before Ferguson, Man Utd had won 7 titles.

https://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/Honours/hons-div1.html

For most of the time Ferguson was in charge the interests of the fans and the owners were aligned.
This is no longer the case.

Man Utd is in the same boat now as Tottenham and Arsenal. Joe Lewis and Stan Kroenke don't care about winning trophies either.

Really top managers with a long term impact at a club don't come along that often.  Man u have had 2 in their entire history - Matt Busby and Ferguson.  So for most of the time it's shorter term appointments with mixed results. Same as Liverpool and a lot of clubs.  Chelsea have broken the mould in recent years with the success they've had with multiple managers on a short term basis but generally in England long term successful managers are as rare as hens' teeth. 

[seafoid]

Before Ferguson, Man Utd had won 7 titles.

https://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/Honours/hons-div1.html

For most of the time Ferguson was in charge the interests of the fans and the owners were aligned.
This is no longer the case.

Man Utd is in the same boat now as Tottenham and Arsenal. Joe Lewis and Stan Kroenke don't care about winning trophies either.

Really top managers with a long term impact at a club don't come along that often.  Man u have had 2 in their entire history - Matt Busby and Ferguson.  So for most of the time it's shorter term appointments with mixed results. Same as Liverpool and a lot of clubs.  Chelsea have broken the mould in recent years with the success they've had with multiple managers on a short term basis but generally in England long term successful managers are as rare as hens' teeth.

Liverpool are one behind . It is urgent

[nrico2006]

I think yis are still barking up the wrong tree. An elite manager could manage them all, well bar Pogba maybe.......

I agree - from top to bottom United have people learning on the job. Ole hasn't been in the game at this level long enough, Carrick and McKenna haven't proved anything and got jumped up with Jose when he lost his assistant. Darren Fletcher is learning on the job too. I wasn't really on for Conte but I think this teams needs a character like that now but if he says 'outtafaq' the club have to back him up and move those players on.

I agree, Conte is the type of manager that is required.

[NAG1]

I think yis are still barking up the wrong tree. An elite manager could manage them all, well bar Pogba maybe.......

I agree - from top to bottom United have people learning on the job. Ole hasn't been in the game at this level long enough, Carrick and McKenna haven't proved anything and got jumped up with Jose when he lost his assistant. Darren Fletcher is learning on the job too. I wasn't really on for Conte but I think this teams needs a character like that now but if he says 'outtafaq' the club have to back him up and move those players on.

I agree, Conte is the type of manager that is required.

It has reminded me around the conversation about the Newcastle take over.

I listened to a discussion that says, that no matter what their money situation that they will 3/4 managers to get them to the top level.

One to save them this year, one to build the club and structures and culture and one/ two to take them to the top level.

Ole seems to have done that in between part, steadied the ship, got the culture sorted but now it looks like it is time for another to come in and take it to the very top level. Not saying I know who it is, not impressed with Conte or Zidane more in terms of their personality than what they have done to be fair.

Conte is suffering apparently because of his challenging behaviour towards directors and CEO's previously, he is being likened to Jose in that respect which is scaring them off. But when you have several directors of the biggest club in the world coming from the same year of the same college maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing.

[bigarsedkeeper]

I think yis are still barking up the wrong tree. An elite manager could manage them all, well bar Pogba maybe.......

I agree - from top to bottom United have people learning on the job. Ole hasn't been in the game at this level long enough, Carrick and McKenna haven't proved anything and got jumped up with Jose when he lost his assistant. Darren Fletcher is learning on the job too. I wasn't really on for Conte but I think this teams needs a character like that now but if he says 'outtafaq' the club have to back him up and move those players on.

I agree, Conte is the type of manager that is required.

It has reminded me around the conversation about the Newcastle take over.

I listened to a discussion that says, that no matter what their money situation that they will 3/4 managers to get them to the top level.

One to save them this year, one to build the club and structures and culture and one/ two to take them to the top level.

Ole seems to have done that in between part, steadied the ship, got the culture sorted but now it looks like it is time for another to come in and take it to the very top level. Not saying I know who it is, not impressed with Conte or Zidane more in terms of their personality than what they have done to be fair.

Conte is suffering apparently because of his challenging behaviour towards directors and CEO's previously, he is being likened to Jose in that respect which is scaring them off. But when you have several directors of the biggest club in the world coming from the same year of the same college maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Ten Haag in Ajax seems to be the purists option but there's no guarantee that his works in Ajax with a really well run club would translate into success in the premier league and the shit show in the boardroom at United.

[gawa316]

Anyone check in on GJL or St Pats Abu? They seem to be gone missing...

EC was on here today, no comments yet but hopefully he's doing well. St Pats is sadly no longer with us

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Sure neithers EC 🙊🙊🙊

Did stpats go of his own accord?