Man Utd Thread:

[seafoid]

LFC destroyed by injuries half way through the season, CFC managed by a rookie out of his depth in Lampard. All that being said MUFC were still 12 points off the top. No point in having Sancho with him scratching his hole on the bench ....added to the mix .

You're right though they should be moving forward but that's not all on Oles door. Tactics may be wrong but lazy players are lazy players and there are a number of players in the United squad who won't work and no matter how talented they are that won't count.

I think it's very lazy analysis to say United are lazy players. Tuchel at Chelsea recently and Klopp at Liverpool further back show that players challenged in the right way can/will perform better. Ole is as much out of his depth at Utd as Lampard was at Chelsea?

As someone said yesterday put some of the Liverpool players into the Utd scenario and people would be saying exactly the same things about them. Trent is one that springs to my mind straight away, Liverpool fans are rightly proud of him and he's hugely important to how Liverpool play but at Utd his alleged limited defensive qualities would be pointed out at every hands turn

Ah come on man, Pogba, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Martial....these lads wouldn't run out of the way of themselves!  Fred not much better.

The thing is I think we are actually in  agreement, Ole is out of his depth, the same way Lampard was. That doesn't not though resolve the fact that there are players in the United squad who just ate it up to it. Keane commented that these players threw Mourinho under the bus and would do the same with Ole. That's panning out now and with Ronaldo there the ego is even bigger so that doesn't help.

A new manager should be able to get a better trick out of them but there's still 4-5 top players needed and that cannot be denied

The Glazers make as much money as Liverpool do. They aren't going to buy 4 or 5 top players to win the PL. They are happy making the same money as Liverpool

[Boycey]

LFC destroyed by injuries half way through the season, CFC managed by a rookie out of his depth in Lampard. All that being said MUFC were still 12 points off the top. No point in having Sancho with him scratching his hole on the bench ....added to the mix .

You're right though they should be moving forward but that's not all on Oles door. Tactics may be wrong but lazy players are lazy players and there are a number of players in the United squad who won't work and no matter how talented they are that won't count.

I think it's very lazy analysis to say United are lazy players. Tuchel at Chelsea recently and Klopp at Liverpool further back show that players challenged in the right way can/will perform better. Ole is as much out of his depth at Utd as Lampard was at Chelsea?

As someone said yesterday put some of the Liverpool players into the Utd scenario and people would be saying exactly the same things about them. Trent is one that springs to my mind straight away, Liverpool fans are rightly proud of him and he's hugely important to how Liverpool play but at Utd his alleged limited defensive qualities would be pointed out at every hands turn

Ah come on man, Pogba, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Martial....these lads wouldn't run out of the way of themselves!  Fred not much better.

The thing is I think we are actually in  agreement, Ole is out of his depth, the same way Lampard was. That doesn't not though resolve the fact that there are players in the United squad who just ate it up to it. Keane commented that these players threw Mourinho under the bus and would do the same with Ole. That's panning out now and with Ronaldo there the ego is even bigger so that doesn't help.

A new manager should be able to get a better trick out of them but there's still 4-5 top players needed and that cannot be denied

I could make cases for all the Utd players but what would be the point but you're right overall we'd be in general agreement. My feeling though is that most of or all of the supposed lazy players would thrive under the correct management.

Did those players throw Jose under the bus or did he throw them under it, the jury might still be out on that

[Louther]

No harm to United supporters and it been the League cup but that performance last night showed how stale and poor United are been managed at present. It's a squad with no plan and relying on individuals to win games.

On paper (games aren't played on paper thankfully) that United team should be beating that West Ham team. But they can't. Struggle to make clear chances and put the opposition under any real kind of pressure that would force a mistake or make an opening.

I'm sure Ronaldo will be trotted out at weekend and all be great again but it's mad how United have painted over the cracks by signing a 36 year old on a short term deal.

I stand by this. It was evident from start of season that it was a team without structure. Lots of individuals playing as such and such are the egos involved that they happy to lay blame elsewhere rather than address it themselves.

Liverpool under Souness suffered from an ego driven manager playing weak players as a manager who wouldn't listen to anyone and felt the need to move away from past glories.
United under Ole are suffering from an ego driven team who wouldn't play for a weak manager trying to hold onto past glories.

[rodney trotter]

United have signed Top players but were more vanity signings. Van Der Beek, Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo
Declan Rice was needed more then some of these. Sancho didn't even get on against Liverpool and look what he cost.  Doucoure at Everton is also a very good defensive player.

Kieran Trippier would be a upgrade on Wan Bissaka

[seafoid]

This has been going on since 2013.
Fergie kept things hidden while he was still winning.

There was an emergency meeting between the 2 Glazers, Woodward and Solskjaer. Only one of them knows anything about soccer.

[Ed Ricketts]

United have signed Top players but were more vanity signings. Van Der Beek, Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo
Declan Rice was needed more then some of these. Sancho didn't even get on against Liverpool and look what he cost.  Doucoure at Everton is also a very good defensive player.

Kieran Trippier would be a upgrade on Wan Bissaka

Tried very hard in the summer to get Trippier for a good price, but Atletico held out.

They realise that Wan-Bissaka was a mistake.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

This has been going on since 2013.
Fergie kept things hidden while he was still winning.

There was an emergency meeting between the 2 Glazers, Woodward and Solskjaer. Only one of them knows anything about soccer.

Joel glazer?

[nrico2006]

What's also mad is the fact that Solskjaer has made two big signings over the last 2 summers and doesn't know what to do with them. VDB and Sancho are brilliant players and should be contributing.

[thewobbler]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

[sid waddell]

This has been going on since 2013.
Fergie kept things hidden while he was still winning.

There was an emergency meeting between the 2 Glazers, Woodward and Solskjaer. Only one of them knows anything about soccer.

Half Manchester United's problem is that Fergie won't keep himself hidden now.

He's responsible for Solskjaer being landed with the giant white elephant that is Ronaldo.

[sid waddell]

Manchester United need to back Solskjaer more.

[seafoid]

Manchester United need to back Solskjaer more.

312m is 3*Pogba or 1.5*Neymar
It won't buy a team.
It's about half of Man Utd annual profits.

[seafoid]

Before Ferguson, Man Utd had won 7 titles.

https://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/Honours/hons-div1.html

For most of the time Ferguson was in charge the interests of the fans and the owners were aligned.
This is no longer the case.

Man Utd is in the same boat now as Tottenham and Arsenal. Joe Lewis and Stan Kroenke don't care about winning trophies either.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

Pogba has to go after some of the things coming out in the last few days, never mind the shit he has caused in the past. Any new manager has to say enough of that shit show and show him the door. Lingard and Martial out the door with him. If the younger players think they can behave like that and get away with it the problem is going to keep rolling on.

They're now back to where they were with Jose. Ole is basically on notice until they find a manager that will not give them the shit back that Conte would. The whole coaching staff should have replaced by Tuesday morning if it's as bad as the reports are saying.

[brokencrossbar1]

Have been saying for years that while Pogba is about, United aren't going to climb out of this malaise. If the most highly paid, most influential players at a club are inconsistent in terms of application and performance, it becomes normalised. They set the tone.

Trippier is no upgrade on Wan Bissaka. He's a very different player, but with a different set of problems. He was moved on by Spurs because he wasn't strong enough defensively, or quick enough, to play against top 6 EPL teams. Bissaka is the inverse.

Pogba has to go after some of the things coming out in the last few days, never mind the shit he has caused in the past. Any new manager has to say enough of that shit show and show him the door. Lingard and Martial out the door with him. If the younger players think they can behave like that and get away with it the problem is going to keep rolling on.

They're now back to where they were with Jose. Ole is basically on notice until they find a manager that will not give them the shit back that Conte would. The whole coaching staff should have replaced by Tuesday morning if it's as bad as the reports are saying.

Just a small point bigarse....Lingard is 29 in December, Pogba is 29 next March and Martial is doing 27....these aren't young players, these are players who should be at the peak of their games. Ole cannot manage them,  and I suspect no other managers could, except perhaps Zidane