FAI...New Manager Hunt continues

[Rossfan]

Always the hand out and always a sour whingy face moaning about the GAA.

[Crete Boom]

Always the hand out and always a sour whingy face moaning about the GAA.

That's a very harsh take on the Roscommon county board in fairness!

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wkqvky0Es

[Ash Smoker]

At least they've moved on from "but gah" to "but horses and dogs".

[Baile Brigín 2]

Always the hand out and always a sour whingy face moaning about the GAA.

Can you point to the mention of the GAA here,?

[Baile Brigín 2]

This is all political. The GAA received €431 million from the Sports Capital and Equipment programme since 2020, while the FAI received just €188 million according to the FAI's paper.
The state of most LoI  stadiums  is very poor considering how wealthy the country is. Hopefully the FAI can focus on infrastructure until it is delivered.

Their stadiums are a mess as they spend their money paying players when such payments are not feasible. Are FAI saying that the sports capital grant is biased to GAA? Total rubbish. To get significant sports capital grant or leader funding you need to either own your own grounds or have a long term lease. Most GAA clubs have this in place, many soccer clubs reliant on handouts from the council. FAI will do everything but look at themselves.

There are far more GAA pitches on public land then you would think.  The reality is twice  the number of soccer players than gaelic games players. But like the horses there is an assumption that soccer getting a fair slice means the GAA get less. The only country in Europe that doesn't fund soccer acadamies is...

That shite needs to stop. Sport in Ireland is the worst funded in Europe. Any squeeze on public money helps us all.

[seafoid]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

[From the Bunker]

We still have a hangover legacy from the GAA ban on foreign codes which ran from 1905 to 1971. Most rural Soccer clubs were formed from the late '70's on.

While GAA clubs prospered and became part of the community during this period, soccer clubs were only formed in large towns. With the GAA's hold on the community it was impossible to start a Soccer club in any rural town even after the ban was lifted.  Schools (especially catholic Schools) promoted Gaelic Football and punished students who played soccer. Johnny Giles, Liam Brady and Martin O'Neill have horror stories about how they were treated.

I don't think there has ever been a country in the world that oppressed Soccer like the hierarchy did here before and since the foundation of the state. Although the ban ended in 1971, there is still an underlying although lesser disdain. 

[Rossfan]

MOPE.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

[seafoid]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

There is also a social class element to it. Rugby is a sport for well connected people. The GAA is the rural equivalent and is well networked . Soccer/Football is disadvantaged compared to the other 2. Also the ban shows how brutal the competition between the sports was. At the end of the day, whatever facilities are built will be for the use of Irish people who deserve decent facilities regardless of background.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

There is also a social class element to it. Rugby is a sport for well connected people. The GAA is the rural equivalent and is well networked . Soccer/Football is disadvantaged compared to the other 2. Also the ban shows how brutal the competition between the sports was. At the end of the day, whatever facilities are built will be for the use of Irish people who deserve decent facilities regardless of background.

You have changed tack slightly. The state made a concious decision to back one sports organisation over all others, and to an extent still do. You claimed the state was too poor to fund sport. They weren't- the problem was rule 42. Facilities were built but were not shared, which in hindsight was bonkers from an infrastructure perspective.

Soccer was badly run by it's top brass forever. Gobshites with no vision climbed to the top. Then Delaney, who was far from a fool, came in and started gettimg things done. We know how that ended. The new FAI seem clued in and playing catch up. But the obsession with English soccer hamstrings their ability to get their community to vote like the GAA en block

[seafoid]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

There is also a social class element to it. Rugby is a sport for well connected people. The GAA is the rural equivalent and is well networked . Soccer/Football is disadvantaged compared to the other 2. Also the ban shows how brutal the competition between the sports was. At the end of the day, whatever facilities are built will be for the use of Irish people who deserve decent facilities regardless of background.

You have changed tack slightly. The state made a concious decision to back one sports organisation over all others, and to an extent still do. You claimed the state was too poor to fund sport. They weren't- the problem was rule 42. Facilities were built but were not shared, which in hindsight was bonkers from an infrastructure perspective.

Soccer was badly run by it's top brass forever. Gobshites with no vision climbed to the top. Then Delaney, who was far from a fool, came in and started gettimg things done. We know how that ended. The new FAI seem clued in and playing catch up. But the obsession with English soccer hamstrings their ability to get their community to vote like the GAA en block

The state was too poor in the pre 60s. the Ban was extremely damaging. 
I remember going to GAA matches in the 80s. The state of infrastructure then was poor. A lot of grounds had to be modernised. I think Pairc ui Chaoimh is on its third iteration since 1960. Look at any old handball alley to see state of the art from the 1940s.
Politically, the IRFU and GAA are significantly ahead of the FAI. Loads of things have to change. The FAI is proposing to spread the cost over 15 years. This is a very good idea.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

There is also a social class element to it. Rugby is a sport for well connected people. The GAA is the rural equivalent and is well networked . Soccer/Football is disadvantaged compared to the other 2. Also the ban shows how brutal the competition between the sports was. At the end of the day, whatever facilities are built will be for the use of Irish people who deserve decent facilities regardless of background.

You have changed tack slightly. The state made a concious decision to back one sports organisation over all others, and to an extent still do. You claimed the state was too poor to fund sport. They weren't- the problem was rule 42. Facilities were built but were not shared, which in hindsight was bonkers from an infrastructure perspective.

Soccer was badly run by it's top brass forever. Gobshites with no vision climbed to the top. Then Delaney, who was far from a fool, came in and started gettimg things done. We know how that ended. The new FAI seem clued in and playing catch up. But the obsession with English soccer hamstrings their ability to get their community to vote like the GAA en block

The state was too poor in the pre 60s. the Ban was extremely damaging. 
I remember going to GAA matches in the 80s. The state of infrastructure then was poor. A lot of grounds had to be modernised. I think Pairc ui Chaoimh is on its third iteration since 1960. Look at any old handball alley to see state of the art from the 1940s.
Politically, the IRFU and GAA are significantly ahead of the FAI. Loads of things have to change. The FAI is proposing to spread the cost over 15 years. This is a very good idea.

But the state found huge amounts of money for the GAA, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

[seafoid]

The problem goes back a long time. The state was poor. Health and education were contracted out to religious orders. The Mater.  Some hospitals are still owned by religious orders.Sport depended on volunteers.

The state is ultra centralised. County councils have no power and no money. In other countries local authorities are responsible for sports infrastructure. Local taxes pay for swimming pools and  pitches. The FAI numbers look big because they are catching up with decades of the country doing things arseways.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final rugby concussion bill was in a similar ballpark.

Come on. The GAA got land from the free state others didn't. A tax was put on soccer and rugby tickets to fund GAA building of facilities. Berties government gave the GAA a billion. But they also were the first government to allow non GAA clubs access capital grants. How much are soccer and rugby players getting in grants from the taxpayer?

GAA facilities are not better because we are inherently better people than the soccer lads. They have been given unique help for over 100 years and soccer is getting organised enough to try and catch up

There is also a social class element to it. Rugby is a sport for well connected people. The GAA is the rural equivalent and is well networked . Soccer/Football is disadvantaged compared to the other 2. Also the ban shows how brutal the competition between the sports was. At the end of the day, whatever facilities are built will be for the use of Irish people who deserve decent facilities regardless of background.

You have changed tack slightly. The state made a concious decision to back one sports organisation over all others, and to an extent still do. You claimed the state was too poor to fund sport. They weren't- the problem was rule 42. Facilities were built but were not shared, which in hindsight was bonkers from an infrastructure perspective.

Soccer was badly run by it's top brass forever. Gobshites with no vision climbed to the top. Then Delaney, who was far from a fool, came in and started gettimg things done. We know how that ended. The new FAI seem clued in and playing catch up. But the obsession with English soccer hamstrings their ability to get their community to vote like the GAA en block

The state was too poor in the pre 60s. the Ban was extremely damaging. 
I remember going to GAA matches in the 80s. The state of infrastructure then was poor. A lot of grounds had to be modernised. I think Pairc ui Chaoimh is on its third iteration since 1960. Look at any old handball alley to see state of the art from the 1940s.
Politically, the IRFU and GAA are significantly ahead of the FAI. Loads of things have to change. The FAI is proposing to spread the cost over 15 years. This is a very good idea.

But the state found huge amounts of money for tbe GAA, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

How much did the GAA get pre 1960?
I think that the FAI was less organised post 1960. One part of the difference in asset base between the IRFU and the GAA versus the FAI is the accumulation of investment over time.
This investment plan is about correcting that.