The US policing crisis thread

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Shocking stuff!!

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-warning-unarmed-black-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-in-oklahoma-35064150.html

Any comment?? Gmac?? Foxcommander??

when was he shot when he was reaching into car?

Ah good your first reaction is to look for justification for shooting an unarmed civilian whose car has broken down!!

And they say Colin Kapernick is the problem...

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/20/video-shows-terence-crutcher-not-reaching-car-shot-lawyer-says/

He wasn't by the way!

[muppet]

Shocking stuff!!

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-warning-unarmed-black-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-in-oklahoma-35064150.html

Any comment?? Gmac?? Foxcommander??

when was he shot when he was reaching into car?

They immediately administered the death penalty because a cop, saw him do something, anything, that could possibly be interpreted as him about to open the door of his car, reach in somewhere, grab a gun, spin around, and shoot fours cops who all were pointing drawn weapons at him.

For the above he was tasered. Then a short period of time passed. Then he was shot dead while lying tasered on the ground. The tasering was unnecessary at best, the shooting was probably murder.

The car was parked oddly, apparently broken down. To get shot dead for that (assuming new info that comes out doesn't change things) is hideous policing.

One report I read said the cops were looking for someone else. Another said a guy on a mic in the helicopter was making comments such as 'he looks like a bad dude and 'he may be on something'. Considering he would be further away than the video we watched, they were remarkable observations. He may have loaded the mind of the officer that pulled the trigger. But he was certainly making judgements (as far as we know) with little or no information.

The reality is that these are truly awful police officers, who undermine their colleagues' credibility and their society's foundations with their incompetent policing. Defending them is even worse again.

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http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/protests-erupt-after-officers-kill-black-man-witnesses-say-was-unarmed-and-disabled-35066585.html

According to CMPD data compiled by the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, while black people are only 35 per cent of the Charlotte population, they make up 50 per cent of stops by police, 68 per cent of searches, and 74 per cent of cases involving use of force.

[muppet]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/us/terence-crutcher-police-shooting-point-counterpoint/

[Kickham csc]

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/protests-erupt-after-officers-kill-black-man-witnesses-say-was-unarmed-and-disabled-35066585.html

According to CMPD data compiled by the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, while black people are only 35 per cent of the Charlotte population, they make up 50 per cent of stops by police, 68 per cent of searches, and 74 per cent of cases involving use of force.

Do you have the 100% 911 calls.

The big question is whether this region is where the crime is committed, or are the police ?

If the majority of the crime is conducted in this area, then you can't reach a conclusion of racially profiling, the police being active in the areas of crime.

I've been to Charlotte a lot, and the difference between the north of the city and the rest is alarming. From extremely affluent to abject poverty.

The problem is that the poverty section is predominantly black. I believe that if you mapped income levels to crime, there will be a high correlation.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

[stew]

Shocking stuff!!

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-warning-unarmed-black-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-in-oklahoma-35064150.html

Any comment?? Gmac?? Foxcommander??

when was he shot when he was reaching into car?

Ah good your first reaction is to look for justification for shooting an unarmed civilian whose car has broken down!!

And they say Colin Kapernick is the problem...

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/20/video-shows-terence-crutcher-not-reaching-car-shot-lawyer-says/

He wasn't by the way!

The truth is unknown at this point but hey, you dig the knife in without knowing the full facts.

[muppet]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

Astonishing reading that.

Many whites killed as well, with the investigation ruled 'Justified'. For example, a 23 year old white woman was shot by her husband, a cop who claimed he was 'cleaning his gun'. Ruling: 'Justified'. Not negligence or incompetence or possible homicide, but Justified. Oscar Pistorius should have used that one.

This shooting of a 12 year old is particularly sad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/police-fatally-shoot-ciara-meyer-12-pennsylvania

As is this shooting of a suicidal woman who pulled a knife: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/04/auburn_police_officer-involved.html

All of the three women above were white, so I am not banging the racial drum. But in most civilised countries, the cops would not open fire in those scenarios. There is obviously an issue with either training (just shoot to kill) or personnel selection (are they completely incapable of assessing situations under pressure and just open fire?).

Each circumstance is different and I am not saying the police are wrong automatically, they are not. And even the 3 cases I picked above have their own different levels of blame to apportion. But I honestly believe that none of those women would have been shot dead in Ireland or the UK.

[seafoid]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

Astonishing reading that.

Many whites killed as well, with the investigation ruled 'Justified'. For example, a 23 year old white woman was shot by her husband, a cop who claimed he was 'cleaning his gun'. Ruling: 'Justified'. Not negligence or incompetence or possible homicide, but Justified. Oscar Pistorius should have used that one.

This shooting of a 12 year old is particularly sad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/police-fatally-shoot-ciara-meyer-12-pennsylvania

As is this shooting of a suicidal woman who pulled a knife: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/04/auburn_police_officer-involved.html

All of the three women above were white, so I am not banging the racial drum. But in most civilised countries, the cops would not open fire in those scenarios. There is obviously an issue with either training (just shoot to kill) or personnel selection (are they completely incapable of assessing situations under pressure and just open fire?).

Each circumstance is different and I am not saying the police are wrong automatically, they are not. And even the 3 cases I picked above have their own different levels of blame to apportion. But I honestly believe that none of those women would have been shot dead in Ireland or the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/mysterious-lynching-of-frank-little-equality-activist
"Violence is as American as cherry pie."

[Gmac]

Shocking stuff!!

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-warning-unarmed-black-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-in-oklahoma-35064150.html

Any comment?? Gmac?? Foxcommander??

when was he shot when he was reaching into car?

Ah good your first reaction is to look for justification for shooting an unarmed civilian whose car has broken down!!

And they say Colin Kapernick is the problem...

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/20/video-shows-terence-crutcher-not-reaching-car-shot-lawyer-says/

He wasn't by the way!

the officer in question has been charged with first degree manslaughter .

[Eamonnca1]

the officer in question has been charged with first degree manslaughter .

Pity the charge isn't murder.

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the officer in question has been charged with first degree manslaughter .

Pity the charge isn't murder.

How infuriating is America... They're burning Colin Kapernick jerseys because he won't stand for the National Anthem yet someone who murders Americans will be defended and backed to the hilt by so called 'Patriots'.

Is it worth living in American anymore? It's sad to see the Country in the state it's in.

[johnneycool]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

Astonishing reading that.

Many whites killed as well, with the investigation ruled 'Justified'. For example, a 23 year old white woman was shot by her husband, a cop who claimed he was 'cleaning his gun'. Ruling: 'Justified'. Not negligence or incompetence or possible homicide, but Justified. Oscar Pistorius should have used that one.

This shooting of a 12 year old is particularly sad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/police-fatally-shoot-ciara-meyer-12-pennsylvania

As is this shooting of a suicidal woman who pulled a knife: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/04/auburn_police_officer-involved.html

All of the three women above were white, so I am not banging the racial drum. But in most civilised countries, the cops would not open fire in those scenarios. There is obviously an issue with either training (just shoot to kill) or personnel selection (are they completely incapable of assessing situations under pressure and just open fire?).

Each circumstance is different and I am not saying the police are wrong automatically, they are not. And even the 3 cases I picked above have their own different levels of blame to apportion. But I honestly believe that none of those women would have been shot dead in Ireland or the UK.

Not every dickhead in Ireland and the UK can readily get their hands on a gun.

I'm sure that is bound to have an impact on the mindset of the cops in question. I'm not condoning their actions, but these lads must be on the mental edge a good part of the job and subsequently not going to take the slightest chance and fire first, ask questions later.

[muppet]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

Astonishing reading that.

Many whites killed as well, with the investigation ruled 'Justified'. For example, a 23 year old white woman was shot by her husband, a cop who claimed he was 'cleaning his gun'. Ruling: 'Justified'. Not negligence or incompetence or possible homicide, but Justified. Oscar Pistorius should have used that one.

This shooting of a 12 year old is particularly sad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/police-fatally-shoot-ciara-meyer-12-pennsylvania

As is this shooting of a suicidal woman who pulled a knife: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/04/auburn_police_officer-involved.html

All of the three women above were white, so I am not banging the racial drum. But in most civilised countries, the cops would not open fire in those scenarios. There is obviously an issue with either training (just shoot to kill) or personnel selection (are they completely incapable of assessing situations under pressure and just open fire?).

Each circumstance is different and I am not saying the police are wrong automatically, they are not. And even the 3 cases I picked above have their own different levels of blame to apportion. But I honestly believe that none of those women would have been shot dead in Ireland or the UK.

Not every d**khead in Ireland and the UK can readily get their hands on a gun.

I'm sure that is bound to have an impact on the mindset of the cops in question. I'm not condoning their actions, but these lads must be on the mental edge a good part of the job and subsequently not going to take the slightest chance and fire first, ask questions later.

None of the 3 victims I mentioned above were even remotely suspected of carrying weapons. The 12 year old was near her father who was carrying a rifle.

If the mindset of cops is to shoot everything that moves, in case they are nutcases with guns, then why bother with having cops at all? Just arm every citizen and tell them it is ok to shoot what they think are bad guys. What difference is there whether a cop pulls the trigger or anyone else?

[johnneycool]

Interesting breakdown/summary of all the 2016 killings by US police here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

Astonishing reading that.

Many whites killed as well, with the investigation ruled 'Justified'. For example, a 23 year old white woman was shot by her husband, a cop who claimed he was 'cleaning his gun'. Ruling: 'Justified'. Not negligence or incompetence or possible homicide, but Justified. Oscar Pistorius should have used that one.

This shooting of a 12 year old is particularly sad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/police-fatally-shoot-ciara-meyer-12-pennsylvania

As is this shooting of a suicidal woman who pulled a knife: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/04/auburn_police_officer-involved.html

All of the three women above were white, so I am not banging the racial drum. But in most civilised countries, the cops would not open fire in those scenarios. There is obviously an issue with either training (just shoot to kill) or personnel selection (are they completely incapable of assessing situations under pressure and just open fire?).

Each circumstance is different and I am not saying the police are wrong automatically, they are not. And even the 3 cases I picked above have their own different levels of blame to apportion. But I honestly believe that none of those women would have been shot dead in Ireland or the UK.

Not every d**khead in Ireland and the UK can readily get their hands on a gun.

I'm sure that is bound to have an impact on the mindset of the cops in question. I'm not condoning their actions, but these lads must be on the mental edge a good part of the job and subsequently not going to take the slightest chance and fire first, ask questions later.

None of the 3 victims I mentioned above were even remotely suspected of carrying weapons. The 12 year old was near her father who was carrying a rifle.

I was generalising with the dickhead part, not the three particular incidents you were referring to.

As for this part;

If the mindset of cops is to shoot everything that moves, in case they are nutcases with guns, then why bother with having cops at all? Just arm every citizen and tell them it is ok to shoot what they think are bad guys. What difference is there whether a cop pulls the trigger or anyone else?

Isn't that what the NRA are ultimately suggesting. Good guys shooting the bad guys any time there's a shooting at a school campus or cinema or wherever.
It sounds utterly nuts to anyone with a titter of wit, but with gun saturation in the US as it is, people are believing it makes sense!!
Scary times stateside.