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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 06, 2021, 12:23:23 PM »
If the guy lied the verdict is invalid (whether it was the right or wrong verdict)

He said "affected the result".

That implies the juror in some way influenced or had a decisive say on the outcome.

I'm not arguing the legal technicalities.

I donít think it matters if it ďaffected the resultĒ

It was no longer an impartial jury once the guy lied on the questionnaire

My understanding was that Gmac somehow thought Chauvin could have been acquitted, based on the presented evidence, except for this guy.

That is all I'm asking about.

I fully accept and I'm not arguing against the fact that the verdict could be found unsafe on the legal technicality this idiot juror has injected into the proceedings.

Maybe it was a tongue in cheek comment

It would be accurate to say that had this juror answered truthfully he probably would not have been selected to serve on the jury...... someone else would have taken his place.  There is no way of knowing how this other person would have voted.....we can assume he/she would have voted to convict, but thatís not how juries work

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 06, 2021, 12:12:24 PM »
If the guy lied the verdict is invalid (whether it was the right or wrong verdict)

He said "affected the result".

That implies the juror in some way influenced or had a decisive say on the outcome.

I'm not arguing the legal technicalities.

I donít think it matters if it ďaffected the resultĒ

It was no longer an impartial jury once the guy lied on the questionnaire


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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 05, 2021, 11:07:06 PM »
I suppose it depends on the role the juror played in deliberations. The defence will obviously argue that we could never know and therefore natural justice dictates a retrial necessary. The prosecution will obviously point to the strength of the evidence, the speed of conviction etc and say the conviction is safe. A tough one to call Iíd say and I wouldnít like to call it. My gut would say that the decision will be itís not enough on its own for a retrial but Iím not an expert on Minnesota law
the verdict has to be unanimous so couldnít the defense say maybe a different juror would have had a different opinion and that on its own is grounds for a mistrial/retrial

So letís say Chauvin got off because of one juror. And it was later discovered that one juror had lied when asked  about attending ď back the blueĒ events.

Not only had they gone all the way to DC to attend an event,  but had worn a pro police tee shirt at the rally.

Do people think that acquittal should be accepted?

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 05, 2021, 09:27:39 PM »
If the guy lied the verdict is invalid (whether it was the right or wrong verdict)

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:24:26 PM »
The guy is obviously a complete clown

He might finds his 15 minutes of fame comes from a different place than he imagined

Smerconish had an expert on yesterday and he didnít seem to think it would cause the verdict to be tossed.

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 05, 2021, 09:09:38 AM »
ybut this guys admission means chauvin didnít get a fair trial

(i) Do you think it affected the result?
(ii) Do you think the result was the wrong one?

No and no

But everyone, including Chauvin, is entitled to a fair trial

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: May 04, 2021, 01:37:44 PM »
The problem is that he seems to have lied on the juror questionnaire and has since come out and essentially said people should serve on juries in order to enact social change

Maybe he should just stfu

That being said I believe Chauvin should be serving 20+ years in jail

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General discussion / Re: Medical Status of Boardmembers
« on: May 02, 2021, 01:19:05 PM »
Inspirational

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: April 24, 2021, 01:37:13 PM »
Did Sandy Hook not effectively end the debate on gun control?  I mean if wholesale changes werenít enacted as a response to that tragedy they likely never will be.

I also have serious concerns over the safety of the verdicts in the Chauvin case. Thatís not to say I think heís not guilty just that I donít understand how a jury can convict for murder in the second degree which requires them that Chauvin had an intent to kill but also convict of manslaughter which required them to find he did not have an intent to kill.

I assumed (and Iím open to correction) that being guilty of the murder charge automatically made him guilty of manslaughter i.e. murder = manslaughter + intent. I find it very hard to believe that if the two charges were mutually exclusive under MN law that the judge would not have instructed the jury to that effect.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/jonathanturley.org/2021/03/19/the-domino-effect-how-all-four-cases-in-the-death-of-george-floyd-could-collapse-with-a-chauvin-acquittal/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jonathanturley.org/2021/04/21/the-chauvin-appeal-how-the-comments-of-the-court-and-the-prosecutors-could-raise-challenges-going-forward/amp/

Smerconish had this guy on last week.  Well worth a read

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: April 24, 2021, 11:28:59 AM »
Did Sandy Hook not effectively end the debate on gun control?  I mean if wholesale changes werenít enacted as a response to that tragedy they likely never will be.

I also have serious concerns over the safety of the verdicts in the Chauvin case. Thatís not to say I think heís not guilty just that I donít understand how a jury can convict for murder in the second degree which requires them that Chauvin had an intent to kill but also convict of manslaughter which required them to find he did not have an intent to kill.

The best political commentator is a guy called Michael Smerconish.  Definitely listen to his podcasts

On his show a couple of weeks ago he brought up that very point and iirc had an expert discuss it with him.

His argument was that it could end up like the George Zimmerman trial-prosecutor overreached and went for the bigger charge, when the lesser one would have brought almost identical jail time

This is also very easy to explain.

Itís a simple question of misinformation.

You are misinformed on the meaning of the following words; ďbestĒ and ďexpertĒ.

I wouldnít be terribly enamoured by your understanding of a political commentator or the law and its practice.

Prosecutors in the Chauvin case didnít drop the lesser charge and just go for the higher one they left all 3 on the charge sheet and delivered all 3. If Chauvinís team want to find a technicality they need to find one on all 3 charges. His appeal prospects are not nil but they are very, very low. He has to find some way of getting round the fact that a kid recorded his crime. Itís a poor enough starting point

This could very easily be thrown out on appeal due to Maxine Waters and Joe Bidenís public comments in the days leading up to the verdict.......the JUDGE in the case said that.

Is he enough of an expert for you?

Donít be surprised to see this go to a retrial

)Also the decision not to move the case could be called into question as would the decision not to sequester the jury)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/derek-chauvin-verdict-overturned-appeal/story%3fid=77213609


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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: April 23, 2021, 09:57:57 PM »
Did Sandy Hook not effectively end the debate on gun control?  I mean if wholesale changes werenít enacted as a response to that tragedy they likely never will be.

I also have serious concerns over the safety of the verdicts in the Chauvin case. Thatís not to say I think heís not guilty just that I donít understand how a jury can convict for murder in the second degree which requires them that Chauvin had an intent to kill but also convict of manslaughter which required them to find he did not have an intent to kill.

The best political commentator is a guy called Michael Smerconish.  Definitely listen to his podcasts

On his show a couple of weeks ago he brought up that very point and iirc had an expert discuss it with him.

His argument was that it could end up like the George Zimmerman trial-prosecutor overreached and went for the bigger charge, when the lesser one would have brought almost identical jail time

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: April 22, 2021, 06:43:56 PM »
Lol

Stabbing before and behind her and he says itís self defense

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: April 22, 2021, 02:09:14 PM »
Can the policy be at least one gun per adult who passes a phycology check?

No semi automatics, why I'm even writing this!!!???

Yes I can agree on hunting guns (not that I agree on shooting animals) personal protection important too, but the background checks need enforcing.

Heavy fines and jail time for those with unauthorised guns and an amnesty for handing in guns, they go straight to a place to be crushed!

Walking around with a gun visible is the strangest of sights, pointing guns at people (like those clowns during that march) needs to come with a fine jail and loss of ever owning a gun.

It won't happen overnight but gradually this will at the very least tidy things up.

Also increase the tax on ammo, hike it up da f**k and make it so expensive that having a gun is useless and only good for throwing at people!

What youíre saying makes sense but it would never pass

Itís a cultural thing.....unless you live here itís really hard to understand

Eg the guy who cuts my hair (and is a Democrat) has something like 20 guns

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