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« Reply #6000 on: June 09, 2021, 08:19:08 PM »
I despair for some of you, reading the stuff some of you write. You take yourselves all to seriously where as Brolly doesnít take himself seriously at all. Heís genuine in that itís entertainment. Brolly leads a life of listening to and defending in the criminal courts. Can you imagine the people he has met, spent time with and defended. Thatís his day to day stuff. Things you canít comprehend. Context is everything in life. For Brolly this is escapism. Itís entertainment. Itís not the real world

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Exactly. A few years ago, Monaghan was in an Ulster final. Best player Tommy Freeman was injured but played with a strap on his right hand. Seems he drove a Hilti nail into his palm. Brolly kept sniggering about this for the whole match. O'Rourke and Luster kept quite but Brolly didn't notice they weren't responding. As puerile a performance as I ever saw from him. 
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« Reply #6001 on: June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

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« Reply #6002 on: June 09, 2021, 09:19:07 PM »
I thought I had read somewhere it was due to personal attacks - tried to find it but couldnít. Entertainment is well and good but questioning the likes of goughís (it was gough wasnít it?) integrity, the attack on cavanagh, grimly, the Marty Morrisey comment, there was mcgeeney stuff in there etc all combined were a bit too far.

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« Reply #6003 on: June 09, 2021, 10:33:58 PM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

Yeah I agree. I donít want to hear that Galway have fisted the ball 548 times and the Mayo midfielder has ran 24 miles. Itís the score that matters. I donít want to hear all that other shite. But I also donít want to listen to Brolly either

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« Reply #6004 on: June 09, 2021, 11:03:07 PM »
One thing about Brolly boys, you can't accuse of him of being boring. He's the type of boy that runs over and pokes the bees nest with his hurl and runs while laughing at everyone's reaction around him.

Oisin a little more pc but you need to bring your A game if your going to debate Brolly. For his volcalbary skills are very admirable.

20 years with the Sunday game is not to shabby. I like people who talk off the cuff and not hindered by correctness as long as its within reason.

Great interview its nice to hear people talk without the interpretation of ads etc

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« Reply #6005 on: June 10, 2021, 01:52:20 AM »
If I want to be entertained I'll listen to some stand up comedy, when it comes to GAA pundits I want to listen to different (hopefully) intelligent perceptions of the game. The game is the event,  not the clown at half time.
In that podcast Brolly has an orgasm  when telling how he wound up Colm O'Rourke at HT in a particularly boring game,  winding up Colm was where it was at for Brolly - he regards himself  as an entertainer for the gullible viewer who's supposed to  remember those stand out moments when Joe entertained us as opposed to an intelligent piece of punditry.

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« Reply #6006 on: June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenarioÖ the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..
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« Reply #6007 on: June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenarioÖ the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

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« Reply #6008 on: June 10, 2021, 09:32:57 AM »
Absolutely... RTE needs a clearout. I'm not sure Whelan much better.

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« Reply #6009 on: June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenarioÖ the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged. 


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« Reply #6010 on: June 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM »
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.

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« Reply #6011 on: June 10, 2021, 11:56:35 AM »
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.

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« Reply #6012 on: June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenarioÖ the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

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« Reply #6013 on: June 10, 2021, 12:30:53 PM »
Absolutely... RTE needs a clearout. I'm not sure Whelan much better.
They do regular pruning.
One of the things re the old guard analysts was that they were entertaining an older generation when they started 20 years ago.
Education levels amongst the viewers would have been lower. So they weren't very demanding in terms of analysis
Spillane is the best example of this. He offers nothing to younger viewers. He would be the TV sports analyst equivalent of country music.
But viewers liked him.

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« Reply #6014 on: June 10, 2021, 12:43:28 PM »
Education levels were lower 20 years ago ;D