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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1260 on: September 17, 2021, 08:03:31 PM »
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.

Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren’t scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won’t win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.

Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.

Hard to argue with any of that.

Horan didn't butcher about 12 points worth in the 3rd quarter alone. As for negating against the long kickout, it'll happen the odd time. Pushing up on the kickouts, percentage wise is probably the wisest thing to do over the course of the game. When pushing up what spare men have you got?

And, as I'm generally interested, what tactics of Horan's does yourself and Maroon not agree with and what should Horan implement? A couple of cooler heads on the pitch, Mayo win and Horan is the bee's knees.

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1261 on: September 17, 2021, 08:14:13 PM »
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee.  One is done and injuries are catching up with the other.  As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences.  Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement.  They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland.  Have dublin or kerry ever done this.  They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
I’m certainly not belittling their achievement. They won the All Ireland for Christ sake!
I’m just of the opinion that they haven’t been given the credit they deserve over the last few years. Other than a superb Dublin outfit, they’ve been as good as anyone.

But, until 2021 that doesn't bear scrutiny -- we did not beat any of the 'top 3' since 2008 until this year, with Dublin, Kerry & Mayo all having our number (despite games we "should have won", we didn't).
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1262 on: September 17, 2021, 08:56:43 PM »
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.

Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren’t scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won’t win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.

Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.

Hard to argue with any of that.

Horan didn't butcher about 12 points worth in the 3rd quarter alone. As for negating against the long kickout, it'll happen the odd time. Pushing up on the kickouts, percentage wise is probably the wisest thing to do over the course of the game. When pushing up what spare men have you got?

And, as I'm generally interested, what tactics of Horan's does yourself and Maroon not agree with and what should Horan implement? A couple of cooler heads on the pitch, Mayo win and Horan is the bee's knees.

Even if Mayo had have taken more of the scores you refer to, chances are Tyrone would still have won. There is always goals to be got against Mayo in finals and the Tyrone players knew that as well as anyone.

Horan's tactics or 'Horanball' as its called by some in Mayo, involves pushing the entire half backline forward and leaving the full back line totally exposed. There is no plan B. Look at McShane's goal the last day, he was left one on one and the inevitable happened. It was well taken and fair play to him but it's the exact same shite that happened us with Kieran Donaghy in 2014. Lessons are just not learned. I don't want to be too harsh on Horan because he's done an unbelievable amount for Mayo football, I just have no faith that he's going to be the man to get us over the line.
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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1263 on: September 17, 2021, 09:56:10 PM »
God you know sometimes the better team wins. 

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1264 on: September 17, 2021, 11:55:09 PM »
God you know sometimes the better team wins. 

Sin é nothing more needs to be said close her up!!

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Re: AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain
« Reply #1265 on: September 17, 2021, 11:59:30 PM »
Fair enough, closing this one, good luck in 2022 all.
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