Seems worthy of a thread. Work away, and play nice.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 11, 2022, 10:56:12 PM
Seems worthy of a thread. Work away, and play nice.
No better teams than those two to do that in fairness.
The final was yesterday lads
Hard to see how Galway can cope with the Cliffords and O'Shea, and they also have started slow in their last 2 games and they absolutely cannot afford for that to happen in the final.
But Galway have history and tradition and that counts for a lot too plus Padraig Joyce is a winner. It's a big difference to having James Horan on the line for Mayo in last years final no disrespect. An intriguing battle awaits and looking forward to it.
Quote from: clarshack on July 12, 2022, 12:10:21 AM
Hard to see how Galway can cope with the Cliffords and O'Shea, and they also have started slow in their last 2 games and they absolutely cannot afford for that to happen in the final.
But Galway have history and tradition and that counts for a lot too plus Padraig Joyce is a winner. It's a big difference to having James Horan on the line for Mayo in last years final no disrespect. An intriguing battle awaits and looking forward to it.
Did he ever win All-Ireland final against Kerry?
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 11, 2022, 10:56:12 PM
Seems worthy of a thread. Work away, and play nice.
No better teams than those two to do that in fairness.
You must be joking. Kerry masters of dark arts and Galway have been play acting all year, lying down feigning injury , a number of their players.
Dhera
It would seem that Kerry have a lot of issues.
https://mobile.twitter.com/radiokerrysport/status/1546524847836102659
They never beat Jim Gavin's team, just like they never beat Mickey Harte's team in an all Ireland Final .
A lot of their all Irelands were won by imposing themselves psychologically on their opponents. In the 00s they consoled themselves by beating Mayo and Cork. Kerry also have to go back 20 years to when they were strong.
Now there is a lot of pressure on them to win. Maybe it will all work out.
https://www.rte.ie/gaeilge/2022/0711/1309548-foireann-nua-re-difriuil-anailis-dhara-ui-chinneide-ar-chiarrai/
Season ticket holders should be able to access their tickets since last night. Got my 2 in 305 lower Cusack so happy with that!! Great to looking forward to a football final after such a long gap to the last one. Galway with more than a squeak ;)
Did Colm Keys in an Indo article yesterday mention that Galway were trounced by Kerry in the league 4 months ago? Oh dear.
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
https://www.rte.ie/tv/audience-participation/2022/0705/1308502-up-for-the-match-audience-applications/
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« Reply #168 on: March 06, 2022, 05:16:06 PM »
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Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.
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Hopefully I'm wrong but have never been as pessimistic about Galway football at Senior IC level, we're going nowhere.
I would have to say I agree with that unfortunately.
All the abuse Kevin Walsh got and look at us now two years on.
Time to move on from Walsh nostalgia, his reign was no success by any metric. As poor as PJ may be, I'd like to see him dealing with a full deck as in a completely fit squad, (this basically means John Daly). We badly need a proper CHB and HB line, Dylan Wall/McHugh/ANOther isn't good enough. Build from there.
As pessimistic as you may be, if it's any consolation, I don't think we're going to get any worse. There should now within a season or two be a better cohort coming through when the successful U-20 team is raided. McLoughlin from Moycullen is a good prospect, while Dessie Conneely should get another look in. Salthill's Evan Murphy can be 'languid' they say but is worth a chance, he has good ability. Can never understand why Eoin Finnerty doesn't get a sustained run; not the quickest but always a handful for a FB, and is miles ahead of the likes of Brannigan. Caherlistrane's Jonathan McGrath never fails to impress when I see him play and should be a real good 'un when he fills out fully. The green shoots are starting to appear, just a bit more patience required.
I was more optimistic in fairness, (though got HB line call a bit wrong!)
Nothing like a bit of Winter/Spring angst and anxiety ;)
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
Season ticket holders should be able to access their tickets since last night. Got my 2 in 305 lower Cusack so happy with that!! Great to looking forward to a football final after such a long gap to the last one. Galway with more than a squeak ;)
Ended up in 305 as well from the ST, weird to have the final ticket sorted so early and it on the phone as opposed to the physical ticket but takes care of one bit of hassle anyway.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
As we can see Galway will be given absolutely no chance but underdogs tag has suited us well so far this year against Mayo, Armagh and Derry.
Amazing to see that Derry are being totally written off now as a "handy" semi-final when they were the fittest team in the land with a system that was going to flummox Galway at 5.25pm last Saturday. I was seriously worried in the first half to be honest but Galway turned it around in the second 35 minutes. I'd rather have lads underperforming in a semi-final and still getting the win instead of taking the top of a team with a glorious display, there's nowhere to go in terms of improvement after that.
Kerry have some advantages in terms of previous final experience in 2019, far more experience at the business end of the championship and of playing Division One teams regularly. Looking at the Galway squad while I wasn't that impressed with the Kerry subs on Sunday, they have more depth then ourselves. Kerry players will have a belief in the destiny of the final given that they finally got the Dublin monkey off the back as well.
Galway will have to survive the first 15 minutes of the final without conceding a goal because Jack O'Connor will have the Kerry lads targeting the high ball into Clifford to put pressure on Gleeson and the FB line, early and often I would imagine. Kerry got good change out of it against Dublin in the first half on Sunday, although the defending for the O'Shea goal was shocking bad.
Need a ref with the strength to see past the green and gold mythology and the presumptive coronation of the golden child. There will be a narrative that Kerry should win because that is the natural order of it, they have the footballers and that Clifford shouldn't be without a Celtic Cross, that type of subconscious bias is where the big teams tend to get the 50/50 calls across all sports. Their tactical fouling is off the charts, however I think this Galway outfit has shown they aren't a naïve bunch in this year's championship and hopefully will be able to match Kerry in these aspects. Will be interesting to see what angle the Kerry media mafia take in the run up next week.
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« Reply #168 on: March 06, 2022, 05:16:06 PM »
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Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.
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I didn't see this coming last year after the capitulation against Mayo in the Connacht final, I didn't see this coming during the league when we were conceding big totals to bad Cork and Offaly teams, and I didn't see Galway beating Mayo in the first round after where both were after the league.
Frankly if you had told me while I was watching Galway in PUC against Cork in the Spring that we would make the All Ireland final I'd have said you were off your head, the likes of the structure that snuffed the Derry attack out last Saturday wasn't to be seen. Galway have incrementally improved as the season has progressed and I'm still trying to process that were actually back there, during the 98-01 period I though those days would never end. I've seen a lot of time and bad days go by since, Wexford 2010, Antrim 2012, Mayo 2013. Galway football was on the floor.
We're there now and just need to put in the best performance of the year and see where that goes, Galway squad depth isn't great and there are still questions remaining over goalkeeper and kickouts. By the same token, I don't buy that Kerry are unbeatable, they have generational players up front and are playing well in defence but they are not at the level of the 00's team yet.
Playing with house money now but by the same token, we know only too well in Galway that these players may not get another shot at winning Sam, the worst thing would be for the game to pass lads by and to exit CP without having given it a good shot, I just hope they show up and play to their best, anything is possible then.
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Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 12, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
Season ticket holders should be able to access their tickets since last night. Got my 2 in 305 lower Cusack so happy with that!! Great to looking forward to a football final after such a long gap to the last one. Galway with more than a squeak ;)
Ended up in 305 as well from the ST, weird to have the final ticket sorted so early and it on the phone as opposed to the physical ticket but takes care of one bit of hassle anyway.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
As we can see Galway will be given absolutely no chance but underdogs tag has suited us well so far this year against Mayo, Armagh and Derry.
Amazing to see that Derry are being totally written off now as a "handy" semi-final when they were the fittest team in the land with a system that was going to flummox Galway at 5.25pm last Saturday. I was seriously worried in the first half to be honest but Galway turned it around in the second 35 minutes. I'd rather have lads underperforming in a semi-final and still getting the win instead of taking the top of a team with a glorious display, there's nowhere to go in terms of improvement after that.
Kerry have some advantages in terms of previous final experience in 2019, far more experience at the business end of the championship and of playing Division One teams regularly. Looking at the Galway squad while I wasn't that impressed with the Kerry subs on Sunday, they have more depth then ourselves. Kerry players will have a belief in the destiny of the final given that they finally got the Dublin monkey off the back as well.
Galway will have to survive the first 15 minutes of the final without conceding a goal because Jack O'Connor will have the Kerry lads targeting the high ball into Clifford to put pressure on Gleeson and the FB line, early and often I would imagine. Kerry got good change out of it against Dublin in the first half on Sunday, although the defending for the O'Shea goal was shocking bad.
Need a ref with the strength to see past the green and gold mythology and the presumptive coronation of the golden child. There will be a narrative that Kerry should win because that is the natural order of it, they have the footballers and that Clifford shouldn't be without a Celtic Cross, that type of subconscious bias is where the big teams tend to get the 50/50 calls across all sports. Their tactical fouling is off the charts, however I think this Galway outfit has shown they aren't a naïve bunch in this year's championship and hopefully will be able to match Kerry in these aspects. Will be interesting to see what angle the Kerry media mafia take in the run up next week.
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Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.
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I didn't see this coming last year after the capitulation against Mayo in the Connacht final, I didn't see this coming during the league when we were conceding big totals to bad Cork and Offaly teams, and I didn't see Galway beating Mayo in the first round after where both were after the league.
Frankly if you had told me while I was watching Galway in PUC against Cork in the Spring that we would make the All Ireland final I'd have said you were off your head, the likes of the structure that snuffed the Derry attack out last Saturday wasn't to be seen. Galway have incrementally improved as the season has progressed and I'm still trying to process that were actually back there, during the 98-01 period I though those days would never end. I've seen a lot of time and bad days go by since, Wexford 2010, Antrim 2012, Mayo 2013. Galway football was on the floor.
We're there now and just need to put in the best performance of the year and see where that goes, Galway squad depth isn't great and there are still questions remaining over goalkeeper and kickouts. By the same token, I don't buy that Kerry are unbeatable, they have generational players up front and are playing well in defence but they are not at the level of the 00's team yet.
Playing with house money now but by the same token, we know only too well in Galway that these players may not get another shot at winning Sam, the worst thing would be for the game to pass lads by and to exit CP without having given it a good shot, I just hope they show up and play to their best, anything is possible then.
Anything after Connacht was a bonus. I wouldn't complain about being beaten by a better team. But we haven't played one yet.
I think we are in between 2 blocks of serial wins- like in the hurling from 94 to 98 . Dublin are rebuilding and could win another obscene number of Sams. Ulster is in flux. Hard to know how good Kerry are.
We might as well go for it this time around.
What's encouraging is the blend of 2017 under 21s and experienced seniors. For years Galway couldn't do this. Plus they are genuinely exciting to watch. There are leaders all over the pitch.
I hope Sunday was Kerry's all Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0711/1309610-kingdom-on-high-alert-after-previous-galway-defeats/
I wonder where does the Roscommon and Mayo support go for the final?
I guess Roscommon's main enemy is Mayo rather than Galway, so I guess they'd be mainly supporting Galway.
There might be a bit of Kerry support in Tipperary and Waterford but I'd say everyone else is supporting Galway.
A few in Limerick hurling country might support Kerry also but definitely not in Limerick football country.
I find the only county in Ulster that gives a bit of support to Kerry is Down, I'm not sure if that stands up against Galway though.
Brian Cody will probably be supporting Kerry as well, as he hates everything maroon!
Galway's Damien Comer will provide a completely different test to Jason Foley and Kerry compared to last weekend. Dean Rock is an all-time great footballer, but he has definitely lost a yard or two of pace. There was one high ball that went into Rock in the second half from a Dublin player, and if he had won it, he was one on one with Foley. If that was O'Callaghan instead of Rock, a Dublin goal was definitely on the cards.
I'd like to see Shane Walsh closer to the goals than he has been playing as well. Let Finerty do the dirty defensive work and keep Walsh and Comer inside the Kerry half. The likes of Tom O'Sullivan might think twice about bombing forward to try and kick a score.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 12:40:58 PM
I wonder where does the Roscommon and Mayo support go for the final?
I guess Roscommon's main enemy is Mayo rather than Galway, so I guess they'd be mainly supporting Galway.
There might be a bit of Kerry support in Tipperary and Waterford but I'd say everyone else is supporting Galway.
A few in Limerick hurling country might support Kerry also but definitely not in Limerick football country.
I find the only county in Ulster that gives a bit of support to Kerry is Down, I'm not sure if that stands up against Galway though.
Brian Cody will probably be supporting Kerry as well, as he hates everything maroon!
Schadenfreude levels are expected to be high north of Ballindine on Sunday afternooon, subject to results.
For myself I'd only shout for Galway (football) v Kerry or Dublin.
A lot here and in Mayo will shout for the Connacht team no matter what.
Others here would sooner die roarin' than shout for Galway or Mayowestros ;D
Have to say last winter I wanted Pj out. Everything I had seen over the previous 18 months pointed to a team going nowhere.
No way would I have believed then we would be in an AI final months later.
Am not a season ticket holder so holding out hope I nab a ticket from somewhere. Who knows though - they all come out of the woodwork when you reach this stage so they won't be easily got.
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
£77 for the hurling in the Davin stand
Quote from: Rossfan on July 12, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
For myself I'd only shout for Galway (football) v Kerry or Dublin.
A lot here and in Mayo will shout for the Connacht team no matter what.
Others here would sooner die roarin' than shout for Galway or Mayowestros ;D
I would shout for Ros or MGHU. I was delighted when the minors in 06 and Brigids a few year later won the all Ireland. Seeing the Brigids flags in Athone not long afterwards was great. It made up for all the times Clann were disappointed.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
First time in 24 years that Connacht teams has reached the All-Ireland senior final for three years in a row.
Back then
1996 Mayo lost
1997 Mayo lost
1998 Galway won
Now
2020 Mayo lost
2021 Mayo lost
2022 Galway ??
So one way or another history will be repeating itself in this final.
One other note, Jack O'Connor lost his last match against Galway, All-Ireland U21 semi final in 2017. Shane Ryan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White, Killian Spillane and Sean O'Shea played in that game for Kerry. Galway had Kieran Molloy, Dylan McHugh, Cillian McDaid, Sean Kelly, Robert Finnerty.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
First time in 24 years that Connacht teams has reached the All-Ireland senior final for three years in a row.
Back then
1996 Mayo lost
1997 Mayo lost
1998 Galway won
Now
2020 Mayo lost
2021 Mayo lost
2022 Galway ??
So one way or another history will be repeating itself in this final.
One other note, Jack O'Connor lost his last match against Galway, All-Ireland U21 semi final in 2017. Shane Ryan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White, Killian Spillane and Sean O'Shea played in that game for Kerry. Galway had Kieran Molloy, Dylan McHugh, Cillian McDaid, Sean Kelly, Robert Finnerty.
A huge change from the 1980s and early 90s
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
First time in 24 years that Connacht teams has reached the All-Ireland senior final for three years in a row.
Back then
1996 Mayo lost
1997 Mayo lost
1998 Galway won
Now
2020 Mayo lost
2021 Mayo lost
2022 Galway ??
So one way or another history will be repeating itself in this final.
One other note, Jack O'Connor lost his last match against Galway, All-Ireland U21 semi final in 2017. Shane Ryan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White, Killian Spillane and Sean O'Shea played in that game for Kerry. Galway had Kieran Molloy, Dylan McHugh, Cillian McDaid, Sean Kelly, Robert Finnerty.
Could have also mentioned Galway's path to victory in 98 and 01 included wins over Roscommon and a semi-final win over Derry :)
The winners of the 2017 u21 final were Dublin and from their team, Comerford, Murchan, Murphy, McMahon, Howard and P Small played on Sunday so the u21 omens are good for Kerry!
Hopefully past results will have nothing to do with the final, Galway's championship record against Kerry since the 60s is absolutely appalling.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
First time in 24 years that Connacht teams has reached the All-Ireland senior final for three years in a row.
Back then
1996 Mayo lost
1997 Mayo lost
1998 Galway won
Now
2020 Mayo lost
2021 Mayo lost
2022 Galway ??
So one way or another history will be repeating itself in this final.
One other note, Jack O'Connor lost his last match against Galway, All-Ireland U21 semi final in 2017. Shane Ryan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White, Killian Spillane and Sean O'Shea played in that game for Kerry. Galway had Kieran Molloy, Dylan McHugh, Cillian McDaid, Sean Kelly, Robert Finnerty.
Could have also mentioned Galway's path to victory in 98 and 01 included wins over Roscommon and a semi-final win over Derry :)
The winners of the 2017 u21 final were Dublin and from their team, Comerford, Murchan, Murphy, McMahon, Howard and P Small played on Sunday so the u21 omens are good for Kerry!
Yes more good omens for Galway.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
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Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 12, 2022, 05:29:27 PM
Hopefully past results will have nothing to do with the final, Galway's championship record against Kerry since the 60s is absolutely appalling.
So is Kerry's since 2009
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2022, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
- Kerry have a 100% record in winning the All-Ireland the year after Tyrone win the All-Ireland
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the All-Ireland after knocking Dublin out of the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record of winning the League and All-Ireland in the first year of his stints as Kerry manager
- Jack O'Connor has a 100% record against Connaught teams in the Championship
- Jack O'Connor has already maintained his 100% record in All-Ireland semi-finals
First time in 24 years that Connacht teams has reached the All-Ireland senior final for three years in a row.
Back then
1996 Mayo lost
1997 Mayo lost
1998 Galway won
Now
2020 Mayo lost
2021 Mayo lost
2022 Galway ??
So one way or another history will be repeating itself in this final.
One other note, Jack O'Connor lost his last match against Galway, All-Ireland U21 semi final in 2017. Shane Ryan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White, Killian Spillane and Sean O'Shea played in that game for Kerry. Galway had Kieran Molloy, Dylan McHugh, Cillian McDaid, Sean Kelly, Robert Finnerty.
Could have also mentioned Galway's path to victory in 98 and 01 included wins over Roscommon and a semi-final win over Derry :)
The winners of the 2017 u21 final were Dublin and from their team, Comerford, Murchan, Murphy, McMahon, Howard and P Small played on Sunday so the u21 omens are good for Kerry!
Yes more good omens for Galway.
In 1998 all the money was on Kildare and Galway went in under the radar.
Will the usual smug people here be getting their tickets as usual?
The "There's 8 of us always meet up for AIFs" people.
I'll get me coat....... ;D
Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
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How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
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Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
Tonnes of tickets were available on Sunday, anyone who wanted to go to the match got a ticket. Gardai had lots as well
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
I doubt Kilkenny had much either. What allocation would Kilkenny and New York had for junior final?
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 12, 2022, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
I doubt Kilkenny had much either. What allocation would Kilkenny and New York had for junior final?
Time for that rte box.on the nally to go. Can't they go back to their normal studio. Taking all Ireland final tickets of kerry and Galway people.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0713/1309985-hawk-eye-tests-before-confirming-use-for-hurling-final/
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 12, 2022, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
The studio would have had an impact on the capacity but not as much as some are making out. The hill/nally in total have a capacity of 13,000. Looking at the amount of space wasted it can't be taking up anymore than 2-3,000 spaces maximum. Crazy if they reduce the capacity for the finals to allow rte to have a studio there. Why can they not go back inside?
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
The studio would have had an impact on the capacity but not as much as some are making out. The hill/nally in total have a capacity of 13,000. Looking at the amount of space wasted it can't be taking up anymore than 2-3,000 spaces maximum. Crazy if they reduce the capacity for the finals to allow rte to have a studio there. Why can they not go back inside?
Maybe Covid - safer outside?
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 12, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 12, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
How much are tickets for game ? I presume will be no curtain raiser?
€90 and €50
The GAA need more vriation in ticket prices. At a minimum these should be €100 for central Hogan and Cusack and €80 in the corners.
Must be one of the few stadiums in Europe that charge the same price for all seated tickets for its show piece final.
I read elsewhere the reason why Croke Park didn't sell out on Sunday was because RTÉ had their studio in the Nally stand taking thousands off the capacity and the HQ had ticket allocation left aside for New York many of which wasn't used. Surely that isn't true?
The studio would have had an impact on the capacity but not as much as some are making out. The hill/nally in total have a capacity of 13,000. Looking at the amount of space wasted it can't be taking up anymore than 2-3,000 spaces maximum. Crazy if they reduce the capacity for the finals to allow rte to have a studio there. Why can they not go back inside?
Maybe Covid - safer outside?
I'm guessing it is that but given everyone else in the country back working indoors and other sports in studios I'm not sure why it's different.
Referee announced. Interesting choice as he's from Tallys club.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
Referee announced. Interesting choice as he's from Tallys club.
Sean Hurson his first ever senior football All-Ireland final to ref.
His umpires on the day will be Mark Coney (Ardboe O 'Donovan Rossa), Mel Taggart (Clonoe O'Rahilly's), Cathal Forbes (Ardboe O 'Donovan Rossa) and Martin Conway (Moortown St Malachy's).
Roscommon's Paddy Neilan will be the standby referee. The other linesman is Barry Cassidy (Derry) and the Sideline Official will be Sean Laverty (Antrim).
Don't see why Galway can't give the final a real go if they believe and do their homework. That being the case it's 50 50.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
Referee announced. Interesting choice as he's from Tallys club.
You cannot be serious.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
Referee announced. Interesting choice as he's from Tallys club.
You cannot be serious.
Is that true? Ah here that is a conflict of interest right there!
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
Referee announced. Interesting choice as he's from Tallys club.
You cannot be serious.
Is that true? Ah here that is a conflict of interest right there!
Yeah from Galbally, Tally's club.
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
He shouldn't be in the position. If he makes any controversial calls in one direction this will be brought up. Not his doing.
Quote from: skeog on July 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
Not questioning his integrity - I don't know the man from Adam.
But it isn't right. What if the Gaa appointed a clubmate of Cian O'Neills to ref the game? Kerry wouldn't be happy with it and rightly so.
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Quote from: skeog on July 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
Not questioning his integrity - I don't know the man from Adam.
But it isn't right. What if the Gaa appointed a clubmate of Cian O'Neills to ref the game? Kerry wouldn't be happy with it and rightly so.
They appointed Kevin Mcmanamon's clubmate numerous times when he was playing.
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Quote from: galwayman on July 13, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
Not questioning his integrity - I don't know the man from Adam.
But it isn't right. What if the Gaa appointed a clubmate of Cian O'Neills to ref the game? Kerry wouldn't be happy with it and rightly so.
They appointed Kevin Mcmanamon's clubmate numerous times when he was playing.
When did Kevin play with Slane?
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Quote from: skeog on July 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
Not questioning his integrity - I don't know the man from Adam.
But it isn't right. What if the Gaa appointed a clubmate of Cian O'Neills to ref the game? Kerry wouldn't be happy with it and rightly so.
Brendan Crowley and Cian O'Neill are both from Newbridge... thankfully there was no controversial calls on saturday for anyone to be unhappy about :-\
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Quote from: galwayman on July 13, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Sean is a man of integrity who will show no bias so less of the citicism.
Not questioning his integrity - I don't know the man from Adam.
But it isn't right. What if the Gaa appointed a clubmate of Cian O'Neills to ref the game? Kerry wouldn't be happy with it and rightly so.
Brendan Crowley and Cian O'Neill are both from Newbridge... thankfully there was no controversial calls on saturday for anyone to be unhappy about :-\
Their not from the same club, very different.
If anything I'd say this would help Galway. Especially if this is played up in the media between now and then!
There's not many ex Galway players in the media compared to Kerry so there'll not be much fuss kicked up. This was from when Gough was appointed in 2019 and he's not even a member of the St Jude's club: https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/defence-david-gough-415665 so you can only imagine if it was the opposite way about.
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
There's not many ex Galway players in the media compared to Kerry so there'll not be much fuss kicked up. This was from when Gough was appointed in 2019 and he's not even a member of the St Jude's club: https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/defence-david-gough-415665 so you can only imagine if it was the opposite way about.
That was more to do with Gough's brutal refereeing decisions in the Dublin-Kerry 2016 semi-final, including a stone wall red card that wasn't even given as a free, rather than specifically being St. Jude's related.
Hurson comes in with a clean slate and so deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
There's not many ex Galway players in the media compared to Kerry so there'll not be much fuss kicked up. This was from when Gough was appointed in 2019 and he's not even a member of the St Jude's club: https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/defence-david-gough-415665 so you can only imagine if it was the opposite way about.
Half the country lives in Dublin ffs.
Kerry people are wild.
2022 Census
Pop 26 Cos 5.1m
Pop Dublin 1.45m
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40915796.html
Quote from: blanketattack on July 14, 2022, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
There's not many ex Galway players in the media compared to Kerry so there'll not be much fuss kicked up. This was from when Gough was appointed in 2019 and he's not even a member of the St Jude's club: https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/defence-david-gough-415665 so you can only imagine if it was the opposite way about.
That was more to do with Gough's brutal refereeing decisions in the Dublin-Kerry 2016 semi-final, including a stone wall red card that wasn't even given as a free, rather than specifically being St. Jude's related.
Hurson comes in with a clean slate and so deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Gough missed two black cards on Donaghy and O'Mahony in 2016 game. Fitzmaurice forgot to mention that. Some of the stuff coming out of kerry was embarrassing. If had issues with Gough why not flag before game. Dublin got very little off Gough in 2019 final.
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
There's not many ex Galway players in the media compared to Kerry so there'll not be much fuss kicked up. This was from when Gough was appointed in 2019 and he's not even a member of the St Jude's club: https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/defence-david-gough-415665 so you can only imagine if it was the opposite way about.
This is by far the most pertinent point, as we saw with the Gough stuff in the run up to the 2019 final, if the roles were reversed and Tally was still a coach with Galway we'd be in full Kerry media mafia campaign mode right now.
It's weird to think that the championship is almost over. Cad a dhéanfaimíd feasta?
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2022, 11:17:30 AM
It's weird to think that the championship is almost over. Cad a dhéanfaimíd feasta?
Use to be a tradition of climbing the Reek in the morning and then heading off to the Connacht final in the afternoon. All done and dusted before Reek Sunday now.
Is there many tickets floating about for this?
Quote from: bogball88 on July 19, 2022, 12:20:24 PM
Is there many tickets floating about for this?
Yeah, the most I've ever seen, have turned down 3 already which is incredible for a Monday and Tuesday before the final.
Must be a combination of foreign holidays, the Galway races, no minor game and cost of living.
Definitely everyone who wants to go will get s ticket.
In terms of the game itself I would not have fancied Galway v Dublin, but I think they will give Kerry a fair rattle.
If they can get the Kerry forwards running back then they will really upset them. Sean Kelly went on some serious runs off the ball v Derry but it dragged a marker away up the field too.
In the air Moran is class and great on the ball too, but Galway have a lot of very big mobile men around the middle.
There was good insight here for match-ups in the Derry game, so who will mark who this time out? I do think Shane Walsh will get more freedom against Kerry...
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Quote from: bogball88 on July 19, 2022, 12:20:24 PM
Is there many tickets floating about for this?
Yeah, the most I've ever seen, have turned down 3 already which is incredible for a Monday and Tuesday before the final.
Must be a combination of foreign holidays, the Galway races, no minor game and cost of living.
Definitely everyone who wants to go will get s ticket.
And a much smaller number of season ticket holders in the 2 Counties.
Derry averaged 22 points per game leading into the semi-final. Kerry so far are averaging 23 points per game. Galway held Derry to 9 points by setting up with 15 men behind the bar from the throw in. Would be daft if Galway deviated from their ultra blanket against superior forwards.
Galway by 4
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 19, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
In terms of the game itself I would not have fancied Galway v Dublin, but I think they will give Kerry a fair rattle.
If they can get the Kerry forwards running back then they will really upset them. Sean Kelly went on some serious runs off the ball v Derry but it dragged a marker away up the field too.
In the air Moran is class and great on the ball too, but Galway have a lot of very big mobile men around the middle.
There was good insight here for match-ups in the Derry game, so who will mark who this time out? I do think Shane Walsh will get more freedom against Kerry...
Agree there was some good analysis on the match ups, mainly from the Derry wans to be fair. Complete absence of it on here for the final
I actually think Moran will struggle a bit on Sunday. McDaid and Conroy look a more balanced pairing. McDaid has the legs, and Conroy has the aerial prowess. Moran at 34 years old now, this is likely his last outing for Kerry
Galway need to repeat the defensive performance of the semi final, that will be difficult as Derry ran out of ideas fairly early in the contest. Derry spent the second half going through the emotions, defending a deficit. Kerry wont entertain that sort of madness on Sunday.
That said i still think Galway have an excellent chance. Kerry are certainly beatable, I agree with Oisin McConville when he says he doesnt trust their mentality. if the game is in the balance in the closing stages, its Galway for me.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Derry averaged 22 points per game leading into the semi-final. Kerry so far are averaging 23 points per game. Galway held Derry to 9 points by setting up with 15 men behind the bar from the throw in. Would be daft if Galway deviated from their ultra blanket against superior forwards.
Galway by 4
Derry average would have included 10 or 11 goals scored? And Galway had a clear tactic to not allow goals to be conceded after what happened to neighbours Clare.
Lack of a Plan B was as much to why Derry scored a mere 1-6 against Galway.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Derry averaged 22 points per game leading into the semi-final. Kerry so far are averaging 23 points per game. Galway held Derry to 9 points by setting up with 15 men behind the bar from the throw in. Would be daft if Galway deviated from their ultra blanket against superior forwards.
Galway by 4
Would be absolute madness for Galway to try to play the same game versus Kerry, but I'm sure O'Neill knows that (he was with Kerry too for a while?).
The two big differences are firstly Kerry will take their shots from 35 yds and outwards - Derry had opportunity after opportunity to take a shot and repeatedly tried to work it closer for a better opportunity. Once a few of those go over, the defending team realise their tactic isn't working and have to come out.
The second big difference is Clifford - they can play the high ball in and he'll win it, geaney is a big guy too, so that's another option.
I don't think this game will he a contest unfortunately, setting myself up for a fall here, but it's kerry by 10.for me - at best Galway might get a few garbage time scores to leave just 7 in it.
The previous weaknesses Kerry have had have been greatly reduced or eliminated -
- defense: high ball, fast ball, run at them, tendency to foul, tendency to give up goal chances.
Throughout 2022, they've dealt with all these threats and debunked all these perceived weaknesses as well as provided a great launching pad for attacks.
In Tom O'Sullivan they've a player who's only a point or two away from being Kerry's top scorer from play this year.
If Kerry win the All-Ireland this year it will have been the defense that will have won it for them not any other area.
Goalkeeper has also been very solid. Comfortable in possession, under the high ball, and proved very good under pressure at finding a Kerry jersey with a kickout against a high press.
After Seán O'Shea's free v Dublin I don't expect Shane Ryan to be taking any more frees for Kerry.
Midfield: a bit under par so far but have a good mixture of high fielding, ball carrying, spoiling and foot passing between them.
Kicking points from play is a bit lacking but when they look at the forwards in front of them probably best to let them do that part.
Forwards. A mixed bag. Kerry play with 5 forwards and only 3 of the 5 did the business against Dublin.
Stephen O'Brien was up against James McCarthy so that was always going to be a tough assignment and I expect him to produce the goods on Sunday.
Our no. 15 will need a big game be it Geaney or Spillane.
If both teams bring their A game I expect Kerry to win with a bit to spare.
Kerry's win over Dublin has ticked a lot of boxes that will stand to Kerry:
Beat Dublin in the C'ship
Win a tight big game
Suffer big setbacks in a game and not let it swing momentum
Find a man with kickouts under high press at big moments in the game.
This will give Kerry a freedom to play with more confidence.
Add in an experienced manager with a tendency to throw a few curve balls that work in A-I finals against a first timer and I'd say Kerry by 3.
I wonder about the Kerry forwards. To win an all Ireland you need at least 4 decent forwards.
If Kerry don't have 4 then it's highly unlikely Galway have...
You need 3 scoring forwards. Then if you have Clifford and he is on his game you probably need less.
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 19, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
In terms of the game itself I would not have fancied Galway v Dublin, but I think they will give Kerry a fair rattle.
If they can get the Kerry forwards running back then they will really upset them. Sean Kelly went on some serious runs off the ball v Derry but it dragged a marker away up the field too.
In the air Moran is class and great on the ball too, but Galway have a lot of very big mobile men around the middle.
There was good insight here for match-ups in the Derry game, so who will mark who this time out? I do think Shane Walsh will get more freedom against Kerry...
Agree there was some good analysis on the match ups, mainly from the Derry wans to be fair. Complete absence of it on here for the final
I actually think Moran will struggle a bit on Sunday. McDaid and Conroy look a more balanced pairing. McDaid has the legs, and Conroy has the aerial prowess. Moran at 34 years old now, this is likely his last outing for Kerry
Galway need to repeat the defensive performance of the semi final, that will be difficult as Derry ran out of ideas fairly early in the contest. Derry spent the second half going through the emotions, defending a deficit. Kerry wont entertain that sort of madness on Sunday.
That said i still think Galway have an excellent chance. Kerry are certainly beatable, I agree with Oisin McConville when he says he doesnt trust their mentality. if the game is in the balance in the closing stages, its Galway for me.
Unfortunately for Walsh, Kerry have a tailor made opponent for him in Tom O'Sullivan. After a quiet semi final, Galway really need to find a way to get him into the game, but he's going to be marking one of the best in the business who will also force him into the wrong side of the field. Kerry will not play as defensive as Derry so he may see more space, but he really needs to be getting his hands on ball closer to the attacking 45 than the defensive. Foley v Comer will be interesting, it's likely with the forewarning Kerry have received that Morley will try to cut out the dinked John Daly passes inside. With Galway trying to drop men back it will leave Morley relatively free to close the space to Comer. Possibly the likes of Conroy/Tierney/Kelly, or a roaming Walsh, could try an earlier ball from a bit deeper to see if Foley can control Comers power. I'm not really sure that has been a feature of their game, but it's not a massive tweak either. Can Tierney have more influence if Morley is dropping off? There's certainly more in him and if he was to exert some influence it can help create that dilemma for Morley and in turn that little bit more space for Comer. Finnerty another who has the potential to profit if attention is focused elsewhere; O'Sullivan won't be quite as suffocating as Chrissy McKaigue! I would have expected White to pick up Kelly, but there are rumours he is injured. If Murphy comes in for White, it does create a bit of an aerial mismatch for Kerry and they might need to re-jig things a bit.
At midfield I think Barry will pick up McDaid, and Moran on Conroy. Whilst Conroy can get forward and pick off points, it isn't based off pace and Moran should have the savvy to deal with this to some extent (until his legs run out.) Also with the way Galway are anticipated to drop off to cover, it will mean that Moran will rarely be left with open ground to deal with Conroy. All that said though, it is something Galway should be pinpointing and testing early. Aerially I still think Moran trumps Conroy, and Kerry need that option at midfield in truth, so I can't see Kerry changing midfield from the last day out until Galway give them a reason too. Kerry will press hard on kickouts, but Galway may be a bit more conservative. Hopefully they'll at least have periods where they take those risks, like early 2nd half v Derry, and close off the short options and make it a contest.
I believe Michael Meehan has suggested Silke on D Clifford, in order to leave Kelly more freedom to support out the field. This goes against the prevailing thought that Kelly will take up him up. It really could be either, but I believe Kelly will start there which can leave Silke to SOS. Counter intuitively, Kelly may actually get more freedom to break out if he's on D Cliff than he would SOS who will actually track him further. A bit like Derrys problem against Galway, it's hard to put together direct match ups without leaving someone in a contest not particularly suited to them. Will Silke then pick up SOS, or would they want him following P Clifford? Could John Daly move back to Geaney, given Glynn doesn't appear the physical match of Geaney, or do Galway take that risk knowing that Kerry will want D Clifford closer to goal and may not look at exploiting that? Where will John Daly go then? Whilst he may try to be an extra man, Kerry won't always allow for it. Glynn could follow P Cliff out instead, I don't think Galway would want Daly on P Cliff. This is all assuming Molloy is not given one of these roles, and is left with Diarmuid O'Connor (or Dara Moynihan.) Then McHugh goes to Stephen O'Brien (or Dara Moynihan.) The bonus in terms of defensive match ups for Galway, is that their midfield pairing and Heaney/Kelly, have the capabilities of filling lots of those spaces or taking up a man to allow others to cover. If White isn't there, it's an additional bonus for them. They will attempt to close up that space around goal like they did against Derry, and obviously Kerry will have better outside shooters, but coincidentally Kerrys best 2 outside shooters could end up on the inside line (D Cliff and SOS.)
I feel that Galway will be banking on goals, and they'll need 2 more than Kerry to win imo. The easiest way for them to do it will be to shut Kerrys way to goal completely, and then focus on keeping their main shooters to limited opportunities. P Clifford, S O'Brien, D O'Connor, or J Barry will not score a high percentage of "outside" shots, so the focus can be slightly shifted onto the others, if they've managed to slow the build up (a.k.a. the transition :-X). If they get it in quickly, that becomes much more difficult, which is why their ability to slow them up will be so crucial. Hopefully this doesn't mean they'll just sit deep waiting, giving Kerry excess possession will eventually lead to gaps. I think they'll try to engage them around midfield whilst attempting to shuffle 2 back as they've done in previous games. An AI final and the nerves that come with it can cause conservatism, but if Galway can show courage and take calculated risks in how they play, they can take Kerry into an uncomfortable place where this particular team haven't always shown the composure expected of AI Champions (even in victory v the Dubs.) I still expect Kerry to have too much, but if Galway are in sight at 50 minutes I think they'll take it down the stretch and from there I couldn't safely predict a winner.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
Are you Joe Brolly?
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
Does that stay at one if you stretch it to 22 years?
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Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Derry averaged 22 points per game leading into the semi-final. Kerry so far are averaging 23 points per game. Galway held Derry to 9 points by setting up with 15 men behind the bar from the throw in. Would be daft if Galway deviated from their ultra blanket against superior forwards.
Galway by 4
Would be absolute madness for Galway to try to play the same game versus Kerry, but I'm sure O'Neill knows that (he was with Kerry too for a while?).
The two big differences are firstly Kerry will take their shots from 35 yds and outwards - Derry had opportunity after opportunity to take a shot and repeatedly tried to work it closer for a better opportunity. Once a few of those go over, the defending team realise their tactic isn't working and have to come out.
The second big difference is Clifford - they can play the high ball in and he'll win it, geaney is a big guy too, so that's another option.
I don't think this game will he a contest unfortunately, setting myself up for a fall here, but it's kerry by 10.for me - at best Galway might get a few garbage time scores to leave just 7 in it.
Will be unfortunate if it turns out that way as that means Galway will have had a nightmare no show on the day, that's a possibility certainly (I think the experience that Kerry players have from 2019 is a big factor for Sunday) but Galway have to show up with a performance and see where takes them. They may have a couple of generational talents up front but I don't think this Kerry team are unbeatable, whether the Galway team are capable of beating them is a very different question in fairness.
It's kind of n unknown here tbh. On one hand I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry win by 10 whereas on the other I wouldn't be surprised if Galway win.
Kerry against Dublin still showed weakness. Dublin still have some great players but they are not firing and quite a few inexperienced in there too and Kerry just got over them but the flip side of that is it will give them confidence.
Galway very solid defensively and a very useful FF line. It'll maybe be from lines other than the FF line where this game is won as I'd expect both defenses to have lots of numbers.
Darragh Maloney and Kevin McStay on the commentary for this All Ireland final.
Id much prefer Eamonn FitzMaurice, he gives a great insight into the match ups, and switches that are going on during the game.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 20, 2022, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
Does that stay at one if you stretch it to 22 years?
It's a bad record imo over 20 which is surely long enough. Even if you go back to 97 it is poor.. Kerry have not been very Kerry like.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
Are Galway a psychologically stable team?
Based on Galway's last two games weathering the early storms built the foundations of both victories - yes the Armagh game took on a life of its own at the end of normal time. I think Kerry will try to unsettle Galway as much as possible early on and build a nice lead that could be withstood if Galway find their feet in the second half, similar to the way Galway beat Mayo in the first round. Speaking of that game, I remember my father commenting to me that that one point win could be the makings of Galway. And they're still there. I myself think Kerry are vulnerable enough. Ifs, buts and maybes - but had Mayo actually taken their chances in that third quarter, who knows what might have happened. Or maybe Kerry have turned a corner with that one point win against Dublin to be the makings of them. What I don't understand is how quick Galway were dismissed by Ger Canning on the commentary during the semi-final. They problem won't be given a hope in hell in terms of predictions on Sunday morning's papers either and that could be no harm at all. I think we have the two best sets of forwards in the country going head to head, so that means a lot will depend on the better defence. I think Kerry having improved a lot this year in this department and I think this may see them win it. I'm looking forward to it now I must say. I don't think there'll be much in it either way. Galway have a great chance of 'nicking' it though to be honest.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 20, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
Darragh Maloney and Kevin McStay on the commentary for this All Ireland final.
Sky commentary it is then
I don't mind McStay but I think Fitzmaurice is a very good co-commentator.
Probably the fact that he has skin in the game maybe is the reason he is not on.
I think Galway cannot afford to lay back on Kerry. I think if they look at Tyrones win last year and in Killarney this year, if you lay back Kerry will score enough from less chances. You must go at them with runners and support runners - blitzkreig. For the first time in a long time Kerry defensive unit will tackle in groups which in my head means a forward will need 2-3 possessions more than normal to get a score, he will need the support runners coming at speed and must not get caught in pockets or in static positions. You can sit back of course, but you cannot win, you must go at them with massive energy and in 3s. Tyrone defeated them in Killarney and Croke Park with a combination of patience and explosiveness but they did not hold back one bit or turn laterally very much. The underdog must have a bite at it. To compare with Derry in the semi final. It was almost that because Derry didn't really have a go at them that Galway realised they were on for a final and pushed on... the more positive team ultimately won and will win again on Sunday.
I suspect however Galway will revert on the occasion and be almost too patient. not much wrong with that but I think unless they bring an attacking running aggression, Kerry should score more than enough from less chances than any team in Ireland, if a defensive game materialises. Its a fascinating battle but I think Kerry are better, less careless and more mature than 2021, are very hungry and normally the better team will win if the hunger is equal. So whilst I predicted 12 points in the prediction thread I genuinely expect Kerry to win by 5 - 8 points. Cant wait.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 20, 2022, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2022, 12:23:47 PM
In 20 years Kerry have only beaten one psychologically stable team in an all Ireland final.
Does that stay at one if you stretch it to 22 years?
It's a bad record imo over 20 which is surely long enough. Even if you go back to 97 it is poor.. Kerry have not been very Kerry like.
That Galway team in 2000 had no Ja Fallon or Tomas Mannion and a half fit Kevin Walsh. Nearly forgot Joyce got glandular fever before the final and wasn't near fully fit, Sean Boylan worked miracles to get him there.
Probably wouldn't have won it the next year if they'd won that one.
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Is the AI final a sell out yet? Apparently tickets for the hurling final were available online 28 hrs before the match, Can anyone confirm?
3 reasons Kerry may be beatable
1. They have a very bad record over the last 3 years, especially losing to Cork and Tyrone.
2. How important was beating Dublin? Mayo did it last year. Dublin are in transition. There was no Con O'Callaghan
Dublin got relegated.
3. The Kerry brand may not be what it used to be. They could never beat Tyrone in their prime nor Dublin in their pomp. Kerry also suffered during the 6 in a row.
Quote from: urbangael on July 21, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
Is the AI final a sell out yet? Apparently tickets for the hurling final were available online 28 hrs before the match, Can anyone confirm?
7
Hurling Final tickets became available presumably returns from Co Boards.
Nearly all were Hill/Nally.
Unlikely to happen with football though
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Galway came back from 8 points to 1 down in the drawn game, you're talking absolute shite.
Kerry planning their victory party already.
https://twitter.com/Kerry_Official/status/1550089794830712832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
If you can find the first game on YouTube, I suggest you sit down and watch it because what you have described above is rubbish. We should have won it the first day despite being 7 down at one stage. No complaints in the replay, Kerry were the better team.
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 10:25:41 AM
I think Galway cannot afford to lay back on Kerry. I think if they look at Tyrones win last year and in Killarney this year, if you lay back Kerry will score enough from less chances. You must go at them with runners and support runners - blitzkreig. For the first time in a long time Kerry defensive unit will tackle in groups which in my head means a forward will need 2-3 possessions more than normal to get a score, he will need the support runners coming at speed and must not get caught in pockets or in static positions. You can sit back of course, but you cannot win, you must go at them with massive energy and in 3s. Tyrone defeated them in Killarney and Croke Park with a combination of patience and explosiveness but they did not hold back one bit or turn laterally very much. The underdog must have a bite at it. To compare with Derry in the semi final. It was almost that because Derry didn't really have a go at them that Galway realised they were on for a final and pushed on... the more positive team ultimately won and will win again on Sunday.
I suspect however Galway will revert on the occasion and be almost too patient. not much wrong with that but I think unless they bring an attacking running aggression, Kerry should score more than enough from less chances than any team in Ireland, if a defensive game materialises. Its a fascinating battle but I think Kerry are better, less careless and more mature than 2021, are very hungry and normally the better team will win if the hunger is equal. So whilst I predicted 12 points in the prediction thread I genuinely expect Kerry to win by 5 - 8 points. Cant wait.
Good post.
It wouldn't be a major shock if Galway win, but you would expect Kerry to push on and win this one.
I think they have a little bit more quality all over the pitch. Galway do have some exceptional players, but they will all need to be playing to their absolute best to be in with a chance.
Whereas for Kerry, one or two could have an off day and they would still have enough.
All that being said, even though Galway are a bogey team for Derry, I've always had a soft spot for them. Would love to see them win it.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 21, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
Kerry planning their victory party already.
https://twitter.com/Kerry_Official/status/1550089794830712832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
You mean Kerry, in advance of Sunday have organised their post match function like they've done for their last 30 All-Ireland finals?
I guess Galway are waiting til 6 O'Clock Sunday evening to start organising theirs?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 21, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 21, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
Kerry planning their victory party already.
https://twitter.com/Kerry_Official/status/1550089794830712832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
You mean Kerry, in advance of Sunday have organised their post match function like they've done for their last 30 All-Ireland finals?
I guess Galway are waiting til 6 O'Clock Sunday evening to start organising theirs?
Was it too sensible to call it that instead of a party?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2022, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 21, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 21, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
Kerry planning their victory party already.
https://twitter.com/Kerry_Official/status/1550089794830712832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
You mean Kerry, in advance of Sunday have organised their post match function like they've done for their last 30 All-Ireland finals?
I guess Galway are waiting til 6 O'Clock Sunday evening to start organising theirs?
Was it too sensible to call it that instead of a party?
Calling it a 'function' for younger supporters, makes it sound about as exciting as going to a People Before Profit Ard Dheis.
They're trying to sell tickets for fundraising purposes, so are right to advertise it as a party. They don't say anything about a celebration or winning or losing.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 21, 2022, 06:14:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2022, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 21, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 21, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
Kerry planning their victory party already.
https://twitter.com/Kerry_Official/status/1550089794830712832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
You mean Kerry, in advance of Sunday have organised their post match function like they've done for their last 30 All-Ireland finals?
I guess Galway are waiting til 6 O'Clock Sunday evening to start organising theirs?
Was it too sensible to call it that instead of a party?
Calling it a 'function' for younger supporters, makes it sound about as exciting as going to a People Before Profit Ard Dheis.
They're trying to sell tickets for fundraising purposes, so are right to advertise it as a party. They don't say anything about a celebration or winning or losing.
If you say so.
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Galway were listing badly in the first half of that match, (not helped by Tomas O'Se's liberal use of the fist on Ml. Donnellan), so Joyce had to be moved out to centre-forward, away from Moynihan, to help Galway get a toehold back into the match. Which he did, admirably. As stated, Galway were missing Mannion and Fallon in 2000, absolute key players from 1998. They could only beat what was in front of them in 2001, and Meath had walloped the defending champions in the semi that year.
Kerry have displayed plenty lack of stomach also in their time. With the greatest of respect to Armagh, 2002 was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory while they somehow contrived to throw away last year's semi to Tyrone. For some reason Kerry frequently have problems with Ulster sides, whereas good Galway teams never fear northern opposition.
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Galway were listing badly in the first half of that match, (not helped by Tomas O'Se's liberal use of the fist on Ml. Donnellan), so Joyce had to be moved out to centre-forward, away from Moynihan, to help Galway get a toehold back into the match. Which he did, admirably. As stated, Galway were missing Mannion and Fallon in 2000, absolute key players from 1998. They could only beat what was in front of them in 2001, and Meath had walloped the defending champions in the semi that year.
Kerry have displayed plenty lack of stomach also in their time. With the greatest of respect to Armagh, 2002 was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory while they somehow contrived to throw away last year's semi to Tyrone. For some reason Kerry frequently have problems with Ulster sides, whereas good Galway teams never fear northern opposition.
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Might have got my drawn game mixed with my replay point still stands...
So Galway have come back into fashion, by that I mean Galway don't follow trends a bit like down they rarely evolve successfully and then they come back into fashion...its their time in the cycle. Is Sunday that bit in the cycle..
How does your point still stand when you've been shown to be incorrect, teams waving the white flag as you put it don't overhaul a 7 point deficit in any game. Kerry were the better team second day, Galway didn't play well, but you seem to want to push some other narrative, white flag implies cowardice or insufficient fight in a team. The same team came back to win the following year so with all due respect, I don't see the validity of anything you've said with regards to the Galway team of 98-01.
Reality of the last twenty years is that Galway simply haven't been good enough, you can say what you want there and there isn't much argument that can be made against it.
Sunday will tell the tale for this year, you reckon we'll be hammered, that may well be the case, there are weaknesses there that Kerry will target early to try and finish it as a contest early, whether Galway can weather that storm is an unanswered question until the game is played.
I'd be more hopeful of a good performance but Kerry have the better set of players and more experience at this level from 2014 and 2019, on paper they should win, games aren't played on paper thankfully.
Bizarrely Galway are kinda in the long grass, despite being in an All-Ireland Final!
Even before the semi there was more talk of Derry than Galway. I was at that and the running off the ball from Galway to drag lads out of position and bring them up the field was amazing at times.
They have serious legs all over the field and more big mobile men. BUT, at the same time if Kerry get the tails up early it could be a disaster of a game.
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Pre or post 2003?
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Galway were listing badly in the first half of that match, (not helped by Tomas O'Se's liberal use of the fist on Ml. Donnellan), so Joyce had to be moved out to centre-forward, away from Moynihan, to help Galway get a toehold back into the match. Which he did, admirably. As stated, Galway were missing Mannion and Fallon in 2000, absolute key players from 1998. They could only beat what was in front of them in 2001, and Meath had walloped the defending champions in the semi that year.
Kerry have displayed plenty lack of stomach also in their time. With the greatest of respect to Armagh, 2002 was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory while they somehow contrived to throw away last year's semi to Tyrone. For some reason Kerry frequently have problems with Ulster sides, whereas good Galway teams never fear northern opposition.
Ah yes, the old myth about Kerry and Ulster teams.
Kerry have won 3 of their last 4 games v Tyrone, their last championship games v Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Monaghan, Antrim, Fermanagh, won their last final against an Ulster team (Donegal, 2014), leaving Down as the odd one out from Ulster. To Down all I can say is we bow before our superior Mourne overlords.
Kerry have also won their last game v Dublin.
You have to go back over 60 years for a Galway win v Tyrone or Dublin.
Against Connaught teams Kerry are unbeaten in finals in the last 56 years.
Munster are unbeaten v Connaught teams in finals for the same duration.
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Galway were listing badly in the first half of that match, (not helped by Tomas O'Se's liberal use of the fist on Ml. Donnellan), so Joyce had to be moved out to centre-forward, away from Moynihan, to help Galway get a toehold back into the match. Which he did, admirably. As stated, Galway were missing Mannion and Fallon in 2000, absolute key players from 1998. They could only beat what was in front of them in 2001, and Meath had walloped the defending champions in the semi that year.
Kerry have displayed plenty lack of stomach also in their time. With the greatest of respect to Armagh, 2002 was defeat snatched from the jaws of victory while they somehow contrived to throw away last year's semi to Tyrone. For some reason Kerry frequently have problems with Ulster sides, whereas good Galway teams never fear northern opposition.
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
No. Tyrone only got going in 1956. Mayo have a decent record against them.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Pre or post 2003?
We used to get laughed at for only getting to an AI final if we met Galway in the semi.. FWIW I hope Galway win.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
Interesting, didn't know that one.
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Was at those. Felt Joyce had the winning of the drawn game but he stayed out of position and away from Moynihan. Galway were weak enough in those two games. They showed a little bit of the white flag and didn't bring the Galway Roar. I havent been convinced about Galway football since having the stomach for it. Meath the following year were done. Do the Galway men on here believe they are ready or is it another hopeful Connaught crusade? Kerry will eat hope for breakfast.. Its what they do...
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Pre or post 2003?
We used to get laughed at for only getting to an AI final if we met Galway in the semi.. FWIW I hope Galway win.
Tyrone? With 4 AI's?
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
It was Tyrone. http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/history/chapter178.html
Last league meeting between the two (Div 1 February 2020) Galway had a eye catching 2-25 to 0-12 win against Tyrone. Nine that played then will start on Sunday.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
Seafoid talking nonsense, was Tír Eoghain in '56. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2022, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
Seafoid talking nonsense, was Tír Eoghain in '56. ;)
I'll take it. I think Galway's bogey teams are Dublin and Roscommon
A few tickets went on general sale, this new ticket master system causes a few issues because no doubt a few people haven't downloaded and paid for the tickets and ended back with ticketmaster.
Use it or lose it.
Just wondering should around 5k terrace tickets be put on general sale anyway, 1 per person??
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 01:22:47 PM
Use it or lose it.
Just wondering should around 5k terrace tickets be put on general sale anyway, 1 per person??
Too many would end up in touts hands, the current system works well; Never hard of anyone who deserves a ticket not getting them.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2022, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 22, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 22, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
Have Galway ever beaten Tyrone?
Long time ago in the 1956 semi-final, think there's been 3 (open to correction on that number) championship matches since that Tyrone have all won.
Galway beat Cavan in 1956 in the semi. I think it was based on 1955 provincial winners.
Seafoid talking nonsense, was Tír Eoghain in '56. ;)
I'll take it. I think Galway's bogey teams are Dublin and Roscommon
In championship football - I think we have lost to Roscommon 3 times since 1990. They are hardly a bogey team for us in fairness. Dublin a different matter.
Galway win. Don't know why. Game for the ages.
Forecast is for a bit wet and windy on Sunday. I can see this being a very defensive game and quite low scoring. It's a pity Derry hadn't got through because it would've been a much more open game. Derry had played some really good, open games this year and were opening teams up for goals. We're not going to se those thrills though in this game and we might not even see one goal in the game. I'd like to see Galway win and they have a chance but I fancy Kerry to win in a low scoring struggle.
Yeah it's a pity derry didn't make it as it would have been a real spectacle :P
Dublin are a bogey team for most.
I just have a feeling Galway will win. Could be very wrong but just have that feeling.
Logic and the bookies would dictate a Kerry win by 4-5 points, I can't see the 8-12 point margin that some have predicted unless Galway don't show up altogether.
I hope that Galway will show up with a big performance and that's all we can ask of them, that set of players have proved myself and a lot more wrong since the Mayo match this year, I did not see this run coming and they have earned every right to be in the final.
Safe travels to all over the weekend, great to be back there on the biggest day of the year and whatever happens Gaillimh go deo
Kerry have named unchanged team. Gavin White fit to start?
1 Shane Ryan
2 Graham O’Sullivan
3 Jason Foley
4 Tom O’Sullivan
5 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch
6 Tadhg Morley
7 Gavin White
8 David Moran
9 Jack Barry
10 Diarmuid O’Connor
11 Seán O’Shea
12 Stephen O’Brien
13 Paudie Clifford
14 David Clifford
15 Paul Geaney
Subs
16 Shane Murphy
17 Paul Murphy
18 Killian Spillane
19 Adrian Spillane
20 Micheál Burns
21 Joe O’Connor
22 Tony Brosnan
23 Gavin Crowley
24 Jack Savage
25 Jack O’Shea
26 Stefan Okunbor
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Logic and the bookies would dictate a Kerry win by 4-5 points, I can't see the 8-12 point margin that some have predicted unless Galway don't show up altogether.
I hope that Galway will show up with a big performance and that's all we can ask of them, that set of players have proved myself and a lot more wrong since the Mayo match this year, I did not see this run coming and they have earned every right to be in the final.
Safe travels to all over the weekend, great to be back there on the biggest day of the year and whatever happens Gaillimh go deo
if Galway are still in it at 60 mins anything is possible. I think we have better subs
This one is hard to call. I will go for the draw. If Galway have someone to man mark David Clifford they could do it.
Unchanged Galway starting 15 also.
1 Conor Gleeson
2 Liam Silke
3 Sean Kelly
4 Jack Glynn
5 Dylan McHugh
6 John Daly
7 Kieran Molloy
8 Paul Conroy
9 Cillian McDaid
10 Patrick Kelly
11 Matthew Tierney
12 Johnny Heaney
13 Robert Finnerty
14 Damien Comer
15 Shane Walsh
Subs
16 James Keane
17 James Foley
18 Billy Mannion
19 Cathal Sweeney
20 Niall Daly
21 Paul Kelly
22 Owen Gallagher
23 Finnian O'Laoi
24 Eoin Finnerty
25 Dessie Connelly
26 Dylan Canney
What age is Shane Walsh?
I hope I'm wrong, of course, but I can't see anything other than a handy 5 point or more win for Kerry.
Only 5 of the Galway team that beat Kerry in the 2018 super 8s still involved, per RTE, versus 12 for Kerry.
Thought brolly was spot on with his assessment that Kerry would try blitz Galway early and establish a 5/6 point margin and try cruise home from there , but also said if it's tight the pressure is more on Kerry than Galway. Like Kerry to win by 7/8 thought derry made Galway look deplorable in semi .
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What age is Shane Walsh?
29
Still "one to watch"
Yeah, strange to think that in next year's cship Fenton, Kilkenny and Walsh will be on the wrong side of 30.
Fenton will be 29 in next year's championship
It might come down to who gets the goals in the first 15 mins
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What age is Shane Walsh?
29
Still "one to watch"
Yeah, strange to think that in next year's cship Fenton, Kilkenny and Walsh will be on the wrong side of 30.
Fenton will be 29 in next year's championship
Fenton will be 30 next year.
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It might come down to who gets the goals in the first 15 mins
It might come down to who gets the goals in the Last 15 mins
It might come down to who gets the goals
The stock and trade answer of most pundits seems to be that Kerry will win but that it will be a lot closer than people think. As much as I'd like to see Galway win, I think Kerry may win this quite comfortably. If Galway can stay in the game long enough, they will just hope that they can bring it down to the last 10/15 minutes and that Kerry get nervous. You could see them getting nervy in the last 15/20 minutes against Dublin despite having the better players and it took a monster free to see them home. And that was a Dublin team running on fumes. Galway will bring more energy and freshness than Dublin but I just don't think that they have as much quality individually as Kerry up front. Kerry by 8 points.
Safe travels to everyone heading to Croke Park this weekend.
Christ, it's great to be back on the big stage and hopefully we put in a performance and see where it takes us.
Gaillimh Abu
Kerry have more quality says the seanbhean bocht. They processed a lot of loss under the usual Kingdom pressure since 2018 . I think the pressure will be a factor . Splits families in 2. Puts people on streets. Sends Frees wide.
https://youtu.be/YoDh_gHDvkk
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It might come down to who gets the goals in the first 15 mins
It might come down to who gets the goals in the Last 15 mins
It might come down to who gets the goals
Or it might not come down to goals at all
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Goals have been in very short supply in Galway-Kerry All-Ireland finals. Declan Meehan's goal for Galway in the 2000 replay was the only one scored in the last four finals involving the counties (2000 draw and replay, 1965-1964). It leaves Garry McMahon as the last Kerryman to score a goal in an All-Ireland final against Galway in the 1959 decider which they won by 3-7 to 1-4
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The counties have contested seven finals (two of which were replayed in 1938 and 2000), with Kerry winning four titles to Galway's three.
Kerry 1/3 Galway 10/3
RTÉ Man of the Match betting (Clifford 3/1, O'Shea 7/1, Walsh 10/1 and Comer 12/1).
Alternative view
Maybe Kerry are not that good and Galway will win. Kerry beat a poor Cork team, a Mayo team and Dublin team in differing stages of decline and missing key players. They struggled at varying times in all 3 games. Maybe Galway are not good enough to beat them but maybe they are.
Keep Clifford to under 6 points and they have a real chance if they can get their forward line and midfield moving to near their potential.
Hoping for a great game and wouldn't mind seeing the great player that is Clifford getting his winners medal.
Maybe Galway by 2
Probably kerry by 7
This is the state of the commentariat.
5pm tomorrow will tell whether it is well balanced or social contagion.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-v-galway-the-verdict-our-expert-jury-give-their-thoughts-on-sundays-all-ireland-football-final-41861140.html
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Alternative view
Maybe Kerry are not that good and Galway will win. Kerry beat a poor Cork team, a Mayo team and Dublin team in differing stages of decline and missing key players. They struggled at varying times in all 3 games. Maybe Galway are not good enough to beat them but maybe they are.
Keep Clifford to under 6 points and they have a real chance if they can get their forward line and midfield moving to near their potential.
Hoping for a great game and wouldn't mind seeing the great player that is Clifford getting his winners medal.
Maybe Galway by 2
Probably kerry by 7
Thats where I am. Love Galway hope they are brave enough to go for i. There is no building programme for next year or a new era blah blah blah. . It happens tomorrow or it doesn't. Go out and win. Kill or be killed. .....but Clifford can wrote out the next 10 years on the back of his hand... he is that great... can't wait..
I think that Kerry will vary their attack more than Derry managed in the second half of their game. They have the personnel to do it and it will get them over the line.
I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see anything other than a lopsided Kerry win
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More I think about it I think Galway win Sunday. Yes Kerry's defense has massively improved and they have 2/3 top class forwards with probably the country's best player included. But I think Galway will look to Cork and how they set against them in trying to frustrate & counterAttack. More than likely they will leave 3 up front similar to the Armagh/Derry game and will be patient even if going behind, safe in the knowledge that Kerry have tired in the last 15 of recent games and that their bench esp forward wise is not anything earth shattering.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see anything other than a lopsided Kerry win
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I hope I'm wrong, of course, but I can't see anything other than a handy 5 point or more win for Kerry.
From 5 points or more to lopsided in 24 hours.
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More I think about it I think Galway win Sunday. Yes Kerry's defense has massively improved and they have 2/3 top class forwards with probably the country's best player included. But I think Galway will look to Cork and how they set against them in trying to frustrate & counterAttack. More than likely they will leave 3 up front similar to the Armagh/Derry game and will be patient even if going behind, safe in the knowledge that Kerry have tired in the last 15 of recent games and that their bench esp forward wise is not anything earth shattering.
Is that Anthony moyles? He obviously wasn't watching the Derry game if he thinks Galway left 3 up all the time. A few times in the second half perhaps, but for most of that game lynch or mckaigue was last man back and they were on the halfway line.
Here's hoping for a good game and close contest and may the best team win.
Not particularly enthused about who wins.
Last thing we want is Kerry winning another AI while the noise blowing across the Suck for the next 9 months will be hard to listen to if Galway win.
At least Kerry will just collect the Cup , go home to their remote homeland and keep quiet about it all.
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What age is Shane Walsh?
29
Still "one to watch"
Yeah, strange to think that in next year's cship Fenton, Kilkenny and Walsh will be on the wrong side of 30.
Fenton will be 29 in next year's championship
Fenton will be 30 next year.
He was born in 1994
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What age is Shane Walsh?
29
Still "one to watch"
Yeah, strange to think that in next year's cship Fenton, Kilkenny and Walsh will be on the wrong side of 30.
Fenton will be 29 in next year's championship
Fenton will be 30 next year.
He was born in 1994
No he was 93. Same age group as John Small, Jack McCaffrey, Robert McDaid, Emmett O'Conghaile, Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see anything other than a lopsided Kerry win
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I hope I'm wrong, of course, but I can't see anything other than a handy 5 point or more win for Kerry.
From 5 points or more to lopsided in 24 hours.
Frankly, I'm impressed by my drunken consistency
Galway to do what they always do at this stage, particularly after having overcome Ulster opposition en route, and to despatch a fancied Kerry, who won a Semi against a weakened Dublin.
Even at that, Dublin would not have lost that Semi against Kerry under Gavin's management -- best exemplified by Niall Scully's wild swing for the clinching point in the dying seconds, which would have been shepherded to a more promising outcome under Jim Gavin.
Buzzing. Great forwards on both teams. Loads of match ups. Head says Kerry, but the niggle says Galway Galway. Can't wait.
And last year's victors over Dublin in the Semis didn't fare exactly well in the subsequent Final. ;)
Galway particularly the keeper were very shaky at the back against Armagh. You just hope Kerry don't sneak a goal or 2 early on to end the contest.
Galway definitely have the midfield and forward line to do the business. Just have that nagging worry about keeper and full back line.
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And last year's victors over Dublin in the Semis didn't fare exactly well in the subsequent Final. ;)
⁹ They did not, indeed
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And last year's victors over Dublin in the Semis didn't fare exactly well in the subsequent Final. ;)
The last three teams that beat Dublin in the All-Ireland semi final ended up losing the All-Ireland final..
kerry by 12
Early test for goalie. Didn't stand up too well to it.
Could have been an early goal for Galway there. Kerry with their 1st score after 8 mins. 0-2 to 0-1 to Galway.
Galway needed a calm start with a few scores
Paddy Tally having some game!!
Hope this isn't a dead leg.
Plenty of questions asked of Kerry.
4 wides so far for Kerry
Galway going down when it matters.
Kerry going all in with the mark
Galway been at that all year.
Jesus Clifford some fielder.
Has comer touched it yet.
Very different to the first half against Derry.
Very strange game plenty of mistakes laced with brilliance from Walsh and Clifford.
Very enjoyable game and from a Derry perspective can't believe we didn't target that keeper more he's proper dodgy and could well cost Galway the game!
Patrick Kelly some hand passer of the ball.
Half time Kerry 0-7 Galway 0-8. Good competitive half of football. Kerry wasteful with 7 wides just the one wide for Galway.
David Moran & Paul Geaney, shouldn't be out for second half.
Did Comer even touch the ball once the half?
If Galway can get him and Conroy involved, they could do this.
Though there's more to come from White, O'Shea and P Clifford, surely.
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David Moran & Paul Geaney, shouldn't be out for second half.
They're getting cleaned on the kickouts, which is surprising when they're two big gulpins.
Kerry will win this well . Galway don't have the bench.
Quote from: screenexile on July 24, 2022, 04:01:57 PM
Very strange game plenty of mistakes laced with brilliance from Walsh and Clifford.
Very enjoyable game and from a Derry perspective can't believe we didn't target that keeper more he's proper dodgy and could well cost Galway the game!
Conor McCluskey looking like a better player than tom o'sullivan based on that first half certainly. Should be a nailed on all star. Good game so far.
Galway will be happy so far, Kerry look like a bundle of nerves up front apart from Clifford. Kerry's tactics are baffling constantly running the ball when most of their dangerous attacks have come from long early ball inside. Walsh and Kelly very good up front for Galway but they need to improve on kick outs.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
Did Comer even touch the ball once the half?
If Galway can get him and Conroy involved, they could do this.
Though there's more to come from White, O'Shea and P Clifford, surely.
Is there?
Walsh is in the mood to get a goal in the second half. If Galway can get Comer going, Kerry are in big trouble here.
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Half time Kerry 0-7 Galway 0-8. Good competitive half of football. Kerry wasteful with 7 wides just the one wide for Galway.
Nor your man with the pony tail. Gave away 2 silly frees.
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Did Comer even touch the ball once the half?
If Galway can get him and Conroy involved, they could do this.
Though there's more to come from White, O'Shea and P Clifford, surely.
And O'Se has done nothing from play for Kerry. Comer and him are the players who can swing this either way
As good as Galway are, only one point up. Can Kerry be as bad up front in the second half?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
As good as Galway are, only one point up. Can Kerry be as bad up front in the second half?
Kerry look like a side that thought they had the All-Ireland won when beating Dublin. Most of shooting from play has been awful.
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Half time Kerry 0-7 Galway 0-8. Good competitive half of football. Kerry wasteful with 7 wides just the one wide for Galway.
Nor your man with the pony tail. Gave away 2 silly frees.
He is a good footballer but does that. I thought Galway would win but not as sure now. Kerry poor thus far and will surely get better?
I wonder will Galway needle at Clifford now he is on a yellow.
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Galway will be happy so far, Kerry look like a bundle of nerves up front apart from Clifford. Kerry's tactics are baffling constantly running the ball when most of their dangerous attacks have come from long early ball inside. Walsh and Kelly very good up front for Galway but they need to improve on kick outs.
Yeah Kerry not been good. Way too much keep ball and whilst they've 6 or 7 wides, they've also spurned loads of shooting opportunities, trying to work it right inside.
As a spectacle, it's been fine, not a classic, but not Galway v Derry 1st half either!
Still think Kerry will take it with a bit to spare, be good to be wrong though.
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Half time Kerry 0-7 Galway 0-8. Good competitive half of football. Kerry wasteful with 7 wides just the one wide for Galway.
Nor your man with the pony tail. Gave away 2 silly frees.
He is a good footballer but does that. I thought Galway would win but not as sure now. Kerry poor thus far and will surely get better?
I wonder will Galway needle at Clifford now he is on a yellow.
No point. No ref is going to give Clifford a second yellow in an AI final for handbags
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As good as Galway are, only one point up. Can Kerry be as bad up front in the second half?
Galway actually maximised their chances and been very efficient, they had one bad wide.
Kerry had a few very bad wides and should be 2-3 ahead in the balance of play.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
As good as Galway are, only one point up. Can Kerry be as bad up front in the second half?
That's it, it could easily be 11 - 8 at the minute, most misses were pretty bad.
Not that I'd ever praise a Tyrone man much but thought the ref has been excellent!
Galway need more from Comer.
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As good as Galway are, only one point up. Can Kerry be as bad up front in the second half?
Galway actually maximised their chances and been very efficient, they had one bad wide.
Kerry had a few very bad wife's and should be 2-3 ahead in the balance of play.
Are bad wives restricted to Kerry??
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Not that I'd ever praise a Tyrone man much but thought the ref has been excellent!
Galway need more from Comer.
The best refs are the ones you don't notice. So far I haven't noticed him.
Kerry really are cynical. Barry is a horrid big gulpin.
Too many steps for last point
This is one of the tighter ai finals I have seen.
Kerry in front for the first time 41 minutes played. David Clifford on form. Galway level it up 0-11 each.
Kevin would sicken ye. Not a word about Walsh. Its all about Clifford
This in class lads Jesus the 2 best in the game shooting it out!
Walsh & Clifford are class.
Galway lead by two. A number of outstanding scores in this match.
Galway are a great team but that goalie is a liability.
Gleeson a lucky boy
That's black card territory for sure.
Pulled jersey is not black card
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Pulled jersey is not black card
Deliberate pull-down for it surely,no?
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Pulled jersey is not black card
2 refs on my whatsapp group and they say the same. Never a black
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Pulled jersey is not black card
Deliberate pull-down for it surely,no?
How many black cards would there be in a game if that's given
Replay or extra time?
54 minutes played Kerry back in front. 0-15 to 0-14
Ref is having a good game.
Kerry's now I would say. Galway making a few unforced errors. Well quite a few.
Sky coverage unwatchable due to technical issues. Wankers
Is sean Kelly being pulled out of the game by Clifford? And is that best for Galway with him (trying to) shackle Clifford
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Pulled jersey is not black card
Thought it was very tight keeper was going down and had a hold of the jersey very borderline.
Big call taking Conroy off, but hes been poor. Comer non existent
Kevin McStay thinks "Curry" could kick on here.
Quote from: red hander on July 24, 2022, 04:51:03 PM
Sky coverage unwatchable due to technical issues. Wankers
RTE coverage unwatchable due to pundit issues.
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Big call taking Conroy off, but hes been poor. Comer non existent
Has he touched the ball?
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Sky coverage unwatchable due to technical issues. Wankers
RTE coverage unwatchable due to pundit issues.
;D
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Sky coverage unwatchable due to technical issues. Wankers
RTE coverage unwatchable due to pundit issues.
:D
McStay!! That was wider than his head and it's big!
How did McDaid get a free for that?
Level again. Some game from McDaid. 65 minutes played.
Great call by Referee! Fair dues!
Poor call that
Kerry two points in front again 69 minutes played. 5 minutes of injury time to play
Game over at this point
Galway keeper has done a few strange things this game
A decent enough game, if not exactly a classic.
Thought the commentator was getting very excited over very little.
FT Kerry 0-20 Galway 0-16. Kerry extra bit of cuteness and experience and impact off the bench proved the difference. Fine effort from Galway.
Kerry not overly impressive but deserved winners. Galway couldn't sustain the pace they had in the first half and Kerry just too much quality.
Much like last years the overall quality hasn't been great but Kerry won't care!
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Galway keeper has done a few strange things this game
He didn't lose the game
Luck is luck in small margin games. Was it the right call? I'm not sure it was, but ultimately that call from the ref decided the All Ireland Final. Analysis might show it was the right decision but a very difficult one to take for Galway.
Kerry had more room for improvement in the second half.
Some record by Jack O'Connor, even in Kerry that has to rate up there.
Lack of bench killed Galway.
That Galway keeper... shocking. I won't say he outright cost them the game, but they will need to upgrade him next year.
Kerry average but won't care. They got over the line at last.
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Big call taking Conroy off, but hes been poor. Comer non existent
Conroy took hit in first half. Struggled after it.
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Sky coverage unwatchable due to technical issues. Wankers
RTE coverage unwatchable due to pundit issues.
f**king hell they would sicken yer hole. The neverending Kerry love in is annoying enough but I've yet to watch a Kerry game where some commentator isn't in danger of messing their pants over Clifford.
Quote from: Gael80 on July 24, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Luck is luck in small margin games. Was it the right call? I'm not sure it was, but ultimately that call from the ref decided the All Ireland Final. Analysis might show it was the right decision but a very difficult one to take for Galway.
Eh? Which call?
Hurson was spot on
Well done Kerry. Their bench got them over the line. Hanratty for not have the squad.
I'll stop calling Tyrone all ireland champions now ;D
Galway always play open football against Kerry. The 60's team still the last team to beat Kerry in knockout Championship football.
Good effort by Galway but no Cigar. You have to lose one to win one......I'm told! ;D
Conroy and Comer being being snuffed out / not quite at the races was the difference.
Fair play Clifford. Kept Kerry in it while waiting for his team to show up. He's the greatest player ever. It's not even close.
It's strange seeing so many Kerry players win their first all ireland medal. You can see what it means to them.
Not buying that Clifford was "on a different planet" to Shane Walsh. Most of Clifford's scores were from frees.
Quote from: Turf on July 24, 2022, 05:09:29 PM
A decent enough game, if not exactly a classic.
Thought the commentator was getting very excited over very little.
I'd agree, it was better than I feared, probably better than the last 2 finals, but no classic.
38 is some record
Had to turn off at RTE as soon as the game finished. Can't be arsed listening to Spillane's shite. Good luck to him.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 24, 2022, 05:12:25 PM
That Galway keeper... shocking. I won't say he outright cost them the game, but they will need to upgrade him next year.
Kerry average but won't care. They got over the line at last.
Good, because it would be a baffling statement if you did.
Decent game without being brilliant, Kerry probably deserved it. Ref was very good apart from one poor decision at 16 each that Clifford nailed it was at a crucial juncture in the match. Kerry's stronger bench also told in the end. Clifford and Walsh both immense for 50 minutes.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 05:14:52 PM
Conroy and Comer being being snuffed out / not quite at the races was the difference.
Fair play Clifford. Kept Kerry in it while waiting for his team to show up. He's the greatest player ever. It's not even close.
He wasn't even the best player on the field ffs, Walsh & McDaid better.
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Quote from: Gael80 on July 24, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Luck is luck in small margin games. Was it the right call? I'm not sure it was, but ultimately that call from the ref decided the All Ireland Final. Analysis might show it was the right decision but a very difficult one to take for Galway.
Eh? Which call?
Hurson was spot on
I'm not sure it was but analysis will show it either way, momentum was back with Galway, with the game level. You could see the Kerry celebrations, it was their All Ireland from there. Referee has a difficult job and overall he had a great game.
Kerry player had his arm round his neck. Then he grabbed it. Free out to Galway.
You grab a players arm in a tackle is a free either way, just cause he has the ball means nowt...
Was it possible foul before he grabbed his arm? Maybe
Referee had a solid game. He's an upgrade on Deegan, McQuillan, Gough, etc anyway.
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Luck is luck in small margin games. Was it the right call? I'm not sure it was, but ultimately that call from the ref decided the All Ireland Final. Analysis might show it was the right decision but a very difficult one to take for Galway.
Eh? Which call?
Hurson was spot on
I'm not sure it was but analysis will show it either way, momentum was back with Galway, with the game level. You could see the Kerry celebrations, it was their All Ireland from there. Referee has a difficult job and overall he had a great game.
Kerry player had his arm round his neck. Then he grabbed it. Free out to Galway.
Was not round his neck
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Quote from: Gael80 on July 24, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Luck is luck in small margin games. Was it the right call? I'm not sure it was, but ultimately that call from the ref decided the All Ireland Final. Analysis might show it was the right decision but a very difficult one to take for Galway.
Eh? Which call?
Hurson was spot on
I'm not sure it was but analysis will show it either way, momentum was back with Galway, with the game level. You could see the Kerry celebrations, it was their All Ireland from there. Referee has a difficult job and overall he had a great game.
Kerry player had his arm round his neck. Then he grabbed it. Free out to Galway.
I haven't seen it back but that was my initial thought on it. With the time left and a guaranteed point to go ahead at that stage , it swings momentum back to Kerry as the closing stages proved. As the man said 'them's the breaks'. It was certainly a 50/50 call at best but Kerry weren't losing it from there.
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Conroy and Comer being being snuffed out / not quite at the races was the difference.
Fair play Clifford. Kept Kerry in it while waiting for his team to show up. He's the greatest player ever. It's not even close.
He wasn't even the best player on the field ffs, Walsh & McDaid better.
Those 2 and Clifford probably the best 3 alright. Walsh quieter 2nd half and mcdaid quiet 1st half though.
Clifford still doesn't look totally fit, any time he tracked back he was in no hurry back up front again.
Absolutely nobody expected that to be a free in it was a terrible decision and changed the game.
Credit to Kerry showed their worth in that 2nd half and won it 0-13 to 0-8. Pat milking it with tears and all. Jack O'Connor no surprise has ended the Kerry famine.
The County of Mayo breathe a sigh of relief.
Some disagreement between the Sky lads on the free in. McGuinness had it at a free out for the initial contact by Spillane. Canavan + Donaghy reckon it was a free in.
Hard luck Galway, gave a great performance. Shane Walsh and Cillian McDaid were incredible but no doubt they will give motm to Clifford.
That should have been a free out.
Galbally man wins All Ireland for Kerry and it wasn't Paddy Tally.
Quote from: Estimator on July 24, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
Some disagreement between the Sky lads on the free in. McGuinness had it at a free out for the initial contact by Spillane. Canavan + Donaghy reckon it was a free in.
Canavan = fellow Tyrone man
Donaghy = Kerry man
So no surprise there. The decision needs to be judged on how he refereed the entire match.
Anyway I still think Kerry would have won but it was a huge momentum swing.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 24, 2022, 05:15:15 PM
Not buying that Clifford was "on a different planet" to Shane Walsh. Most of Clifford's scores were from frees.
3 marks iirc, at least 2 of them were exactly why the mark was introduced - great catches above the head, not the pop pass into the chest from the 45 to the 20 that gives the mark a bad name.
As well as those, he kicked a few phenomenal scores from range too.
Good game, closer than I expected; be interesting to see if Galway can push on and be competitive next year. The gap between Kerry/Dublin and the rest seems to be narrowing
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 24, 2022, 05:15:15 PM
Not buying that Clifford was "on a different planet" to Shane Walsh. Most of Clifford's scores were from frees.
3 marks iirc, at least 2 of them were exactly why the mark was introduced - great catches above the head, not the pop pass into the chest from the 45 to the 20 that gives the mark a bad name.
As well as those, he kicked a few phenomenal scores from range too.
One of his marks was as good a catch as you will ever see. He was double and triple marked and still that good. Walsh too tbh.
Quote from: pbat on July 24, 2022, 05:39:59 PM
Galbally man wins All Ireland for Kerry and it wasn't Paddy Tally.
They won by 4 points ffs. Wise up.
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 24, 2022, 05:15:15 PM
Not buying that Clifford was "on a different planet" to Shane Walsh. Most of Clifford's scores were from frees.
3 marks iirc, at least 2 of them were exactly why the mark was introduced - great catches above the head, not the pop pass into the chest from the 45 to the 20 that gives the mark a bad name.
As well as those, he kicked a few phenomenal scores from range too.
A player from the losing team doesn't win man of the match for obvious logistical reasons on the Sunday Game highlights programme, however they can win player of the year which happened before.
Shane Walsh was man of the match today by quite a margin, not sure a final performance is enough to win player of the year, but he has a chance and has guaranteed himself an all star.
Clifford is nailed on poty. Walsh has played himself into an all star. Derry people reckon he has played Conor mccluskey into one but I don't think so. I don't understand why they didn't switch the two corner backs. Finnerty was playing further out and would have suited Tom O'Sullivan. Finnerty very good first half but not as good second.
Not to be today. Our lads gave everything they had and it wasn't quite enough.
I couldn't be prouder of that team.
Gaillimh Abu.
Good competitive final not sure can Galway have much regrets they gave it their best shot and came up short. Lack of bench impact has been a issue for them all year so something for them to work on and improve.
The two most skilled forwards in David Clifford and Shane Walsh didn't disappoint. Kerry improved defence has won them this All-Ireland only one goal chance given up today? Comer, Finnerty marked out of the game Tadhg Morley was one of the stand out players for Kerry this year probably won't get the credit because he's not a forward or one of their high profile players.
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 24, 2022, 05:15:15 PM
Not buying that Clifford was "on a different planet" to Shane Walsh. Most of Clifford's scores were from frees.
3 marks iirc, at least 2 of them were exactly why the mark was introduced - great catches above the head, not the pop pass into the chest from the 45 to the 20 that gives the mark a bad name.
As well as those, he kicked a few phenomenal scores from range too.
A player from the losing team doesn't win man of the match for obvious logistical reasons on the Sunday Game highlights programme, however they can win player of the year which happened before.
Shane Walsh was man of the match today by quite a margin, not sure a final performance is enough to win player of the year, but he has a chance and has guaranteed himself an all star.
Shouldn't be the case though. Canavan was robbed of one in 95 due to that nonsense.
Walsh and McDaid were unbelievable today
In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn't always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry's best defender.
Clifford doesn't look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I'd have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
First half was poor. Littered with mistakes and defensive blocks from both teams.
Stephen O'Brien was crucial to Kerry breaking lines and getting scores.
Clifford half fit makes it look so easy! Kerry deserved it.
As good as Walsh was today - and he was surreally brilliant, maybe among the top 5 AI final performances I've ever seen - if anyone describes his performance as streets ahead of Clifford, it's only because they're marking Clifford by a different criteria.
The difference between the teams was David Clifford. It's not more complicated than that. He was outstanding.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
As good as Walsh was today - and he was surreally brilliant, maybe among the top 5 AI final performances I've ever seen - if anyone describes his performance as streets ahead of Clifford, it's only because they're marking Clifford by a different criteria.
The difference between the teams was David Clifford. It's not more complicated than that. He was outstanding.
He was brilliant for 50 minutes but faded in the latter stages apart from hitting a crucial free to put them 1 up. I don't know if he is fully fit but he done the same against Dublin and looked gassed towards the end.
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn't always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry's best defender.
Clifford doesn't look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I'd have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
Clifford doesn't look natural!? what are you smoking!? that fella is pure class, best I've ever seen.
Except I didn't say that, I was simply comparing him to Walsh. Clifford has an awkward unorthodox running style and is not as aesthetically natural looking as say Walsh or Maurice Fitz. I wouldn't argue that he is a better all round player than either though, the lad is a colossus.
Quote from: galwayman on July 24, 2022, 06:04:27 PM
Not to be today. Our lads gave everything they had and it wasn't quite enough.
I couldn't be prouder of that team.
Gaillimh Abu.
The absent players including Michael Daly could have made a difference. Peace talks plus a few new lads from the League and a fresh assault next year might be on.
Has there been a better performance from a losing player than Shane Walsh?
Lee Keegan a few times! ;D
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Has there been a better performance from a losing player than Shane Walsh?
Canavan got 11 points in 95.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 24, 2022, 07:07:43 PM
Has there been a better performance from a losing player than Shane Walsh?
No, not that I can remember.
Hard luck Galway. Kerry deserving winners but Galway were unfortunate. Think ref was fair enough, the free in against Daly was bang on correct, 99% or the time the benefit is given to the defender but technically the right call - just a sickener to give it away having just turned the ball over beforehand. Definitely changed the momentum of the game and Kerry just kicked on after it.
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Has there been a better performance from a losing player than Shane Walsh?
Nope.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn't always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry's best defender.
Clifford doesn't look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I'd have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
Quite a statement. I'm not sure I've ever seen a footballer as natural. Everything seems so languid and easy to him. It's like talking about somebody with a perfect golf swing, but they could play both left and right handed.
Everyone talking about the Daly incident but an equally big call was the free to Galway for the shoulder. Kerry were starting to take control at that point and then Galway scored the free and got the equaliser. Was never a free, great shoulder.
Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2022, 08:03:34 PM
Everyone talking about the Daly incident but an equally big call was the free to Galway for the shoulder. Kerry were starting to take control at that point and then Galway scored the free and got the equaliser. Was never a free, great shoulder.
Agree, I thought it was a great shoulder myself. Swings and roundabouts and all that.
While Walsh was immense, Galway never managed to get anything from Comer. He needed to be on the ball a lot more in dangerous areas.
Kerry the best team this year.
Wasn't a free at all. Hospital pass put McDaid in trouble and he got hit fairly on one side and then the other. Wasn't a sandwich.
Need to see free in for Spillane again. Seemed a bit harsh but certainly wasn't a free out. Spillane played the ball and then held his ground.
Quote from: gallsman on July 24, 2022, 08:36:09 PM
Wasn't a free at all. Hospital pass put McDaid in trouble and he got hit fairly on one side and then the other. Wasn't a sandwich.
Need to see free in for Spillane again. Seemed a bit harsh but certainly wasn't a free out. Spillane played the ball and then held his ground.
Yes I can see both points on that 'double shoulder' the simple solution would have been stop play (Galway had the ball, I think) due to head injury, his head looked to have collided with the Kerry man, not sure if a double shoulder sandwich is allowed lol
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn't always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry's best defender.
Clifford doesn't look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I'd have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
Quite a statement. I'm not sure I've ever seen a footballer as natural. Everything seems so languid and easy to him. It's like talking about somebody with a perfect golf swing, but they could play both left and right handed.
Yes but a large part of his ability is his physical size and power to hold off opposing defenders that help buy him that extra yard of space. That's not natural ability in a footballing sense. With Shane Walsh and Maurice Fitz I honestly couldn't tell whether they were stronger on their left or right foot, David Clifford on the other hand is more obviously a left footed kicker. If you are using the golf swing analogy I think they are nearer the perfect swing. But as an overall package neither are/were as effective since I think Clifford is certainly the best player in the game at the minute.
I would be interested to know if his skills were naturally obvious from an early age or honed through countless hours of practice.
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In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn’t always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry’s best defender.
Clifford doesn’t look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I’d have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
I recall Shane Walsh standing out in a Hogan cup final around 10 years ago and thinking Galway had a real gem on their hands. Today in the biggest game of his career he stood up and showed the GAA world what he is capable of.
As for David Clifford he's simply brought his underage talent into senior without any trouble and one of the most consistent and skilful forwards in the game. The type of player neutrals will pay good money to see and won't be left disappointed.
Walsh got no help atall from the other 5 forwards when he needed it. Think only one scored outside of him. All Kerry's starters scored as well as some replacements.
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
In terms of pure aesthetics Shane Walsh is the most natural talent in the game but doesn't always deliver the performance that his talent deserves. He reminds me of a more powerful athletic version of Maurice Fitz. Today he stood up in a big way for Galway and was immense despite being faced with Kerry's best defender.
Clifford doesn't look as natural but he is more effective and has no real obvious weakness. He has everything you would look for in a Gaelic footballer and could go on to be the best ever. However he is 23 years old and has so much more to be achieved before he can be put in that category. But yet again he stood up and was counted when needed. It was very hard to separate those 2 players today but I'd have to give MOTM to Clifford for no other reason that he was on the winning side. Notable mention to McDaid as well who was excellent.
I recall Shane Walsh standing out in a Hogan cup final around 10 years ago and thinking Galway had a real gem on their hands. Today in the biggest game of his career he stood up and showed the GAA world what he is capable of.
As for David Clifford he's simply brought his underage talent into senior without any trouble and one of the most consistent and skilful forwards in the game. The type of player neutrals will pay good money to see and won't be left disappointed.
True. We were on the receiving end today but Clifford is just pure quality and a joy to watch.
Shane in full flight is a sight to behold also.
David Clifford named the RTÉ man of match. Out of interest who got it on Sky?
Enjoyed the game, Walsh and Clifford are a joy to watch, incredible footballers. Hurson is a superb ref.
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David Clifford named the RTÉ man of match. Out of interest who got it on Sky?
Hmmmmm... I wonder....? ;D
3/1 was a good shout from someone earlier on
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
As good as Walsh was today - and he was surreally brilliant, maybe among the top 5 AI final performances I've ever seen - if anyone describes his performance as streets ahead of Clifford, it's only because they're marking Clifford by a different criteria.
The difference between the teams was David Clifford. It's not more complicated than that. He was outstanding.
Agree with that. Both exceptional performances, but for Clifford it was maybe 15% better than what we normally see, for Walsh it was significantly more, 75%??
I would also agree that I think both, especially Clifford ran out of juice a bit before the end. He very noticeably not busting a gut to get back up front on a few occasions in the last 15 - hardly surprising given the disrupted preparation he must have had.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 24, 2022, 11:41:05 PM
Enjoyed the game, Walsh and Clifford are a joy to watch, incredible footballers. Hurson is a superb ref.
Hurson had a good game but it was a relatively easy game to ref.
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Enjoyed the game, Walsh and Clifford are a joy to watch, incredible footballers. Hurson is a superb ref.
Hudson had a good game but it was a relatively easy game to ref.
Who?
Re the result, it was a fair reflection on Kerry's superiority over the 70 minutes, and agree that ultimately Clifford was the difference between them, a class act (the undeniable brilliance of Shane Walsh notwithstanding).
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
As good as Walsh was today - and he was surreally brilliant, maybe among the top 5 AI final performances I've ever seen - if anyone describes his performance as streets ahead of Clifford, it's only because they're marking Clifford by a different criteria.
The difference between the teams was David Clifford. It's not more complicated than that. He was outstanding.
Agree with that. Both exceptional performances, but for Clifford it was maybe 15% better than what we normally see, for Walsh it was significantly more, 75%??
I would also agree that I think both, especially Clifford ran out of juice a bit before the end. He very noticeably not busting a gut to get back up front on a few occasions in the last 15 - hardly surprising given the disrupted preparation he must have had.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
As good as Walsh was today - and he was surreally brilliant, maybe among the top 5 AI final performances I've ever seen - if anyone describes his performance as streets ahead of Clifford, it's only because they're marking Clifford by a different criteria.
The difference between the teams was David Clifford. It's not more complicated than that. He was outstanding.
Agree with that. Both exceptional performances, but for Clifford it was maybe 15% better than what we normally see, for Walsh it was significantly more, 75%??
I would also agree that I think both, especially Clifford ran out of juice a bit before the end. He very noticeably not busting a gut to get back up front on a few occasions in the last 15 - hardly surprising given the disrupted preparation he must have had.
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He picked up an injury after the cork game, missed the Munster final, was nowhere at full pace for the mayo game and picked up another knock anyway, so you'd imagine he's hardly done much fitness work since mid may.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 25, 2022, 09:08:28 AM
I'm not seeing anything close to an arm around the neck. I've seen them given as a free out but they are cop out frees. Good call by the ref.
It may have been a bit lower than neck but the arm was in a place where it was a foul. For me that was a bad call - and a big one at that stahe... Galway were tiring though so I still think they probably wouldn't have won it but it'd have been tighter.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
Galway only got back into the game because of the free from the shoulder (which wasn't a free), they were 2 points behind at that stage and hadn't scored in over 10 minutes. Kerry looked to be cruising. You could argue either way on the Daly decision i think, both momentum swings at the time but in the end i think it evened itself out.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
Galway only got back into the game because of the free from the shoulder (which wasn't a free), they were 2 points behind at that stage and hadn't scored in over 10 minutes. Kerry looked to be cruising. You could argue either way on the Daly decision i think, both momentum swings at the time but in the end i think it evened itself out.
I've seen people mentioning the White shoulder, but again at the time I didn't think it was shoulder to shoulder and didn't think very much of it but I could be wrong. I'd need to watch it again. In real time it looked like a free kick.
Other than that I thought Hurson was very good and has improved a lot as I thought he used to be very whistle happy. However he used common sense most of the time and allowed the game to flow as much as he could which all the top referees do.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised
The man with the ball nearly always gets away with everything.
Blaming 1 refereeing decision for losing the game is a cop out by Joyce.
If Kerry had their shooting boots in the first half....
Question marks about some of the Galway substitutions....
Shouldn't his goalie have got 2 yellows?
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
The arm was never around his neck, the neck is above the shoulder, just in case you are struggling with that part of the body.. He reached in for the ball, and if we are going to blow for that in ever game then we are screwed, you are entitled to play the ball, tackle neck or above its an easy free out, he was below the shoulder reaching in, the player grabbed his arm. the funny thing is people want that particular part of the game stopped, so for me he called it right, he'd no reason to grab his arm at all.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2022, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2022, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
The arm was never around his neck, the neck is above the shoulder, just in case you are struggling with that part of the body.. He reached in for the ball, and if we are going to blow for that in ever game then we are screwed, you are entitled to play the ball, tackle neck or above its an easy free out, he was below the shoulder reaching in, the player grabbed his arm. the funny thing is people want that particular part of the game stopped, so for me he called it right, he'd no reason to grab his arm at all.
100% a free kick, thems the breaks
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2022, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2022, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
The arm was never around his neck, the neck is above the shoulder, just in case you are struggling with that part of the body.. He reached in for the ball, and if we are going to blow for that in ever game then we are screwed, you are entitled to play the ball, tackle neck or above its an easy free out, he was below the shoulder reaching in, the player grabbed his arm. the funny thing is people want that particular part of the game stopped, so for me he called it right, he'd no reason to grab his arm at all.
I look forward to referees all over the country giving those as frees against the player in possession up and down the country going forward then. But we know that they won't and that the vast majority of the time the referee will either play on or give a free kick to the player with the ball. A bit like when Gough sent off the 4 Tyrone players for contributing to a melee. By the letter of the law he was within his rights but everybody knew that it wouldn't become the norm going forward as there is an element of common sense and referee discretion applied to GAA refereeing. I just happened to think that taken in context it was not in line with how those decisions are normally refereed. As I said previously, nobody expected the free to be given against Daly in that instance which tells you a lot and my initial reaction was in wondering why Spillane was fist pumping. He knew the importance of the decision.
The tackle needs to be hand in/ hand out. That's what kids re taught these days. The hand went in and across his chest and it stayed in. Then the Galway boy grabs to buy the free but I have never seen a free like that given at club or county.
It wasn't a free in or out in my mind and there would have been no shouts if the play was waved on.
Now, in saying that, there are lads in Kildare who win that free a lot when on the ball. They feel the hand going in and the they kinda move it up around the neck with a little hold and they get a free to win
Aside from all that Galway had a lot of brain farts towards the end. A few really silly passes and even just basic unforced errors, so I don't see how we can look at one incident as being the winning or losing of it. Gleeson could have easily picked up a second yellow after another charge from his line too.
The performances from Walsh and Clifford were from another planet yesterday. I could watch Walsh all day.
Quote from: Mario on July 25, 2022, 10:38:17 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2022, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.
I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.
Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case
Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
Galway only got back into the game because of the free from the shoulder (which wasn't a free), they were 2 points behind at that stage and hadn't scored in over 10 minutes. Kerry looked to be cruising. You could argue either way on the Daly decision i think, both momentum swings at the time but in the end i think it evened itself out.
Yeah there were a few calls that actually could have gone either way tbh.
I thought on the whole the ref had a good game. Played the advantage well, didn't get too involved.
I thought Walsh was the best player on the field myself. He was really the only forward for Galway who was firing which made his performance all the more impressive.
Comer not in the game at all.
Clifford had some game too, but imo, Walsh just shaded it.
It was a good game in terms of how it swung to and and fro and some of the point scoring was off the charts in terms of quality.
Both teams played very defensively, a lot of lateral passing (which other teams got lambasted for earlier in the year), so I wouldn't say it was a brilliant game as there were long passages of play when not much happened.
Kerry just about deserved the win given that in the 2nd half their forwards stepped up and didn't leave it all to Clifford. The substitutions certainly made an impact. I thought it was a brave move to take Geany off but utlimately it was the right call.
Galway didn't make enough of their dominance in the first half and too many of their forwards were not effective.
McDaid had a great game too. Disappointed for Galway, but it could be the start of something for them. A strong side, relatively young too.
Kerry could push on from this as well.
The next few years look a lot more interesting now in terms of all-irelands. Realistically there's maybe 5-6 teams in with a shout in Kerry, Galway, Dublin, Armagh, Derry. Tyrone may have slipped back I think.
Donegal will have a new manager so might come strong too.
Two Galway forwards scored - that's not going to be enough to win you an AI. Though McDaid made a good try of making up for it.
Yeah agreed on that one incident didn't cause the winning / losing of the game. Galway were dead on their feet and just don't have the depth Kerry have so if that game had went to ET or anything I think Kerry would have won by a few.
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
I think he wrecked himself in that O'Brien block. Galway hit a period where they gave away, more unforced tbh, several balls in a row when Kerry were getting towards dominance. Conroy gave away a few of those. I think he was either wrecked or injured.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2022, 12:00:23 PM
I think he wrecked himself in that O'Brien block. Galway hit a period where they gave away, more unforced tbh, several balls in a row when Kerry were getting towards dominance. Conroy gave away a few of those. I think he was either wrecked or injured.
Could have been an injury alright, he definitely hadn't the same influence that he usually does and he's one of those players I don't think you'd be bringing off no matter his performance level. You could see that as the game became stretched in the final minutes that Galway were being countered fast by Kerry and they couldn't get their defensive system back in place. Kerry at that stage looked like they would have stretched their lead further if the game had gone on longer.
Looking back at it, I think Tallys influence was huge on that Kerry defensive system. It was that system and the brilliance of Clifford that basically won them this All Ireland. It will be interesting to see whether he stays on with Kerry now as you would imagine they will be the team to beat for the next few years anyway.
This game reminded me of the hurling final in so far as Galway tried hard and put it up to Kerry, but ultimately in the home stretch Kerry had the quality to pull away. Sean Hurson to be fair had a great game and Joyce bleating over the free in needs to look at his man holding the arm, too many refs let that go.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 25, 2022, 01:03:19 PM
This game reminded me of the hurling final in so far as Galway tried hard and put it up to Kerry, but ultimately in the home stretch Kerry had the quality to pull away. Sean Hurson to be fair had a great game and Joyce bleating over the free in needs to look at his man holding the arm, too many refs let that go.
Galway player did two hops before their 11th point. Throw in the White shoulder, the two black cards their goalie should have gotten, some soft frees Galway got in the first half and I don't think Joyce can have much complaints.
Ref did well imo.
The two hops is the only decision that you could say for 100% sure he got wrong.
Congratulations to Kerry, deserving All Ireland Champions this year, only lost one game, that to Tyrone in the league, all year. The second best team in Ireland in 2022 was Galway and they brought the fight that I felt they needed to, and made a superb game of it and had they been able to create a goal chance or two and take it they would have won. Feel that in similar shoot outs as yesterday was, very few teams will get the better of the kingdom over the next few years. Walshe the best player on the field closely followed by Clifford. Mc Daid was immense as well. Galway keeper struggled a little at times but the standard was so high that mistakes were punished by quality footballers on both sides. Referee was superb throughout and got all the big calls right as much as that last free in felt hard, he was technically correct. I don't know if there was a comparative incident earlier to call it out as inconsistent - that can be the only argument.
Galway can work on improving their bench and their goal scoring and they will be there or thereabouts for a few years now. Next year you will have Galway, the Dubs, Armagh, Derry, Mayo and hopefully a refreshed Tyrone all looking to take the kingpins down, but for the moment Kerry can enjoy their well deserved success.
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Quote from: Applesisapples on July 25, 2022, 01:03:19 PM
This game reminded me of the hurling final in so far as Galway tried hard and put it up to Kerry, but ultimately in the home stretch Kerry had the quality to pull away. Sean Hurson to be fair had a great game and Joyce bleating over the free in needs to look at his man holding the arm, too many refs let that go.
Galway player did two hops before their 11th point. Throw in the White shoulder, the two black cards their goalie should have gotten, some soft frees Galway got in the first half and I don't think Joyce can have much complaints.
Ref did well imo.
The two hops is the only decision that you could say for 100% sure he got wrong.
Ref wasn't the reason we lost for sure. It's the timing of that decision I imagine that's the reason for all the talk about it. We were juiced in the last 10 mins and started making terrible decisions.
We need more impact off our bench - Cooke, Varley, Michael Daly, Tom Flynn would all have been massive guys to be able to bring on in the last 20 mins. What we had to come on was weak enough.
Paul Kelly's fall from grace baffles me as he was very solid in the league & has barely seen any game time in the summer.
To lose a game by a short head is nearly tougher than getting whacked. Kerry have had their fair few of those over the last few years as have Tyrone last Year. Just part of the journey to a Galway Sam...
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
Squad depth is the biggest issue for Galway I think. They need better subs.
I was looking at Tyrone and Kerry who both won after losing an all Ireland
Tyrone lost in 2018. Of that starting team , 8 started the 2021 final with 5 new players and 2 subs from 2018. There were 3 experienced players from 2018 as subs.
Kerry lost in 2019. Of that starting team, 12 started yesterday with 3 new players and 3 experienced players from 2019 as subs.
https://youtu.be/Sja1p2swNCc
It was a free out before it was a free in
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https://youtu.be/Sja1p2swNCc
It was a free out before it was a free in
free out for tackling the ball? ok
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
Squad depth is the biggest issue for Galway I think. They need better subs.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2022, 08:35:45 PM
if Galway are still in it at 60 mins anything is possible. I think we have better subs
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
Squad depth is the biggest issue for Galway I think. They need better subs.
I was looking at Tyrone and Kerry who both won after losing an all Ireland
Tyrone lost in 2018. Of that starting team , 8 started the 2021 final with 5 new players and 2 subs from 2018. There were 3 experienced players from 2018 as subs.
Kerry lost in 2019. Of that starting team, 12 started yesterday with 3 new players and 3 experienced players from 2019 as subs.
You said before the game that we had the better bench. Serious question - do you actually go and watch Galway games or club football games in the county? I've no idea in the world how you could make that statement looking at our bench vs Kerry's.
There was no comparison.
Galway put in a great effort but from about the 45th minute Kerry looked the winners.
Galway also let Armagh back in it and maybe the fitness needs to be improved.
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
Quote from: galwayman on July 25, 2022, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2022, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
Squad depth is the biggest issue for Galway I think. They need better subs.
I was looking at Tyrone and Kerry who both won after losing an all Ireland
Tyrone lost in 2018. Of that starting team , 8 started the 2021 final with 5 new players and 2 subs from 2018. There were 3 experienced players from 2018 as subs.
Kerry lost in 2019. Of that starting team, 12 started yesterday with 3 new players and 3 experienced players from 2019 as subs.
You said before the game that we had the better bench. Serious question - do you actually go and watch Galway games or club football games in the county? I've no idea in the world how you could make that statement looking at our bench vs Kerry's.
There was no comparison.
Rather like the hurling semi-final v Limerick, the winners' bench really had only one player who actually made a significant impact, in this case Killian Spillane. For sure, Galway subs made minimal difference yesterday, but this was because they were mainly introduced too late, when momentum had already turned against them. If the Galway HF line had been better yesterday, it would have made it easier for the subs being introduced. I would have subbed Heaney last of the trio as he was the most experienced.
Thought the Galway Goalkeeper lacked confidence and give away 2 frees that were pointed. If Cluxton was between the sticks for Galway Sam would be at the Races this evening.
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Quote from: galwayman on July 25, 2022, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2022, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 25, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Gmac on July 25, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Kerry finished the game playing like Galway started and Galway finished the game playing like Kerry started , subs for Kerry the difference, neither forward line looked very dangerous except for big 2
Galway badly needed some subs in defense near the end .
Good game of football.
I noticed in some of the earlier matches that Galway didn't use many players off the bench, maybe they simply don't have the squad depth yet. Conroy was very poor by his own standards yesterday but I was still surprised to see him coming off for the last 10 minutes or so. If they can add 2 or 3 new players during the League they will still be a threat again next year.
Squad depth is the biggest issue for Galway I think. They need better subs.
I was looking at Tyrone and Kerry who both won after losing an all Ireland
Tyrone lost in 2018. Of that starting team , 8 started the 2021 final with 5 new players and 2 subs from 2018. There were 3 experienced players from 2018 as subs.
Kerry lost in 2019. Of that starting team, 12 started yesterday with 3 new players and 3 experienced players from 2019 as subs.
You said before the game that we had the better bench. Serious question - do you actually go and watch Galway games or club football games in the county? I've no idea in the world how you could make that statement looking at our bench vs Kerry's.
There was no comparison.
Rather like the hurling semi-final v Limerick, the winners' bench really had only one player who actually made a significant impact, in this case Killian Spillane. For sure, Galway subs made minimal difference yesterday, but this was because they were mainly introduced too late, when momentum had already turned against them. If the Galway HF line had been better yesterday, it would have made it easier for the subs being introduced. I would have subbed Heaney last of the trio as he was the most experienced.
Burns played really well also
Watched it again last night, such a crucial decision at 16 each to give the free against Daly; Spillane clearly left the hand in for far too long. How crucial that decision was we'll never know but Galway had just hit the last 2 scores with only minutes remaining and Comers turnover had given the Galway crowd great energy.
Galway needed to go in 3 or 4 points ahead at half time after that 1st half but unfortunately didn't win enough primary possession and there was some daft handpasses from Kelly & Heaney to give crucial ball away. Heaney needed to go low for his goal chance, Heaney has a great goal record for Galway and doesn't miss too often. There were a couple of times when Kelly was been marked by White at the edge of the square and the ball needed to go in but didn't, a big mismatch in size there. On a few occasions when they tried it the ball was either over or under hit.
McDaid may have been lucky to win a free for that shoulder but equally you can look at Kerrys first point from a free where O'Connor got away with a lot of steps and thought Clifford got a very soft one off Glynn in the 2nd half. I know Galway got away with 2 bounces for their 11th point but that was a full minute before the ball went over the bar. As for Kerry's 18th point Spillane took 10 steps before bouncing the ball, a joke of a score and ultimately killed Galway.
At 15 – 14 to Kerry Galway won a kickout and were in on goal had Tierney gone left instead of right with the handpass and even when McDaid went for his shot if he'd popped it inside Galway had a 3 on 1. Think most of us though Galway always needed the goal to win. Another big moment when Galway were 14-12 ahead and Molloy had turned over O'Brien but McDaid gave a woeful ball to Walsh and Kerry went down and hit a score within 30 seconds. Just felt like a big moment if Galway could have gone 3 ahead.
Galway had scored 14 points by 45 minutes which is fantastic going but couldn't sustain it and only scored 2 in the remaining 30 minutes, this Kerry team have been on the road a lot longer and showed in the closing stages although Galway did really well to get back level with just 5 minutes remaining and we'll never know what would have happened had that free not gone against Daly. Comer was well watched, never left all alone with Foley on the edge of the square, Morley always their to cover. He should have spent more time around the 45 to get him into it.
The bench was always going to be an issue, nothing on it too change the direction of the match just players to protect the lead. Perhaps there's more in Eoin Finnerty and Conneely but we've yet to see it yet. Next year we need to find a few more lads or see the return of Cooke & Michael Daly and hope McLaughlin can kick on after injury. I'd like to think the likes of Cathal Sweeney will improve as he looked a superstar as a minor, Culhane another one, stood out a mile as an 18 year old in the u20 final win against Dublin 2 years ago.
I see Ray Silke has said Liam is away to NZ next year for 12 months, would be a big blow as he's finally found his feet at this level and turned into the player we'd all hoped he would. Getting Sean Kelly out of full back would improve the team going forward but not sure we can do without him back there.
Shane Walsh & McDaid have showed the country what their both capable of now, just need to do that consistency and in McDaid's case just stay fit. Tierney & Patrick Kelly are still both 21 so hopefully plenty of improvement left in them too.
But we had a year none of us were expecting and had some great days out that we'd not had in over 20 years and the pride has been put back into Galway football, lets hope they can hang around the next few years; Don't see any reason why not as long as the likes of Cian O'Neill remain involved.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2022, 01:41:08 PM
Watched it again last night, such a crucial decision at 16 each to give the free against Daly; Spillane clearly left the hand in for far too long. How crucial that decision was we'll never know but Galway had just hit the last 2 scores with only minutes remaining and Comers turnover had given the Galway crowd great energy.
Galway needed to go in 3 or 4 points ahead at half time after that 1st half but unfortunately didn't win enough primary possession and there was some daft handpasses from Kelly & Heaney to give crucial ball away. Heaney needed to go low for his goal chance, Heaney has a great goal record for Galway and doesn't miss too often. There were a couple of times when Kelly was been marked by White at the edge of the square and the ball needed to go in but didn't, a big mismatch in size there. On a few occasions when they tried it the ball was either over or under hit.
McDaid may have been lucky to win a free for that shoulder but equally you can look at Kerrys first point from a free where O'Connor got away with a lot of steps and thought Clifford got a very soft one off Glynn in the 2nd half. I know Galway got away with 2 bounces for their 11th point but that was a full minute before the ball went over the bar. As for Kerry's 18th point Spillane took 10 steps before bouncing the ball, a joke of a score and ultimately killed Galway.
At 15 – 14 to Kerry Galway won a kickout and were in on goal had Tierney gone left instead of right with the handpass and even when McDaid went for his shot if he'd popped it inside Galway had a 3 on 1. Think most of us though Galway always needed the goal to win. Another big moment when Galway were 14-12 ahead and Molloy had turned over O'Brien but McDaid gave a woeful ball to Walsh and Kerry went down and hit a score within 30 seconds. Just felt like a big moment if Galway could have gone 3 ahead.
Galway had scored 14 points by 45 minutes which is fantastic going but couldn't sustain it and only scored 2 in the remaining 30 minutes, this Kerry team have been on the road a lot longer and showed in the closing stages although Galway did really well to get back level with just 5 minutes remaining and we'll never know what would have happened had that free not gone against Daly. Comer was well watched, never left all alone with Foley on the edge of the square, Morley always their to cover. He should have spent more time around the 45 to get him into it.
The bench was always going to be an issue, nothing on it too change the direction of the match just players to protect the lead. Perhaps there's more in Eoin Finnerty and Conneely but we've yet to see it yet. Next year we need to find a few more lads or see the return of Cooke & Michael Daly and hope McLaughlin can kick on after injury. I'd like to think the likes of Cathal Sweeney will improve as he looked a superstar as a minor, Culhane another one, stood out a mile as an 18 year old in the u20 final win against Dublin 2 years ago.
I see Ray Silke has said Liam is away to NZ next year for 12 months, would be a big blow as he's finally found his feet at this level and turned into the player we'd all hoped he would. Getting Sean Kelly out of full back would improve the team going forward but not sure we can do without him back there.
Shane Walsh & McDaid have showed the country what their both capable of now, just need to do that consistency and in McDaid's case just stay fit. Tierney & Patrick Kelly are still both 21 so hopefully plenty of improvement left in them too.
But we had a year none of us were expecting and had some great days out that we'd not had in over 20 years and the pride has been put back into Galway football, lets hope they can hang around the next few years; Don't see any reason why not as long as the likes of Cian O'Neill remain involved.
https://youtu.be/n6EjSIfkIxg
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2022, 01:41:08 PM
Watched it again last night, such a crucial decision at 16 each to give the free against Daly; Spillane clearly left the hand in for far too long. How crucial that decision was we'll never know but Galway had just hit the last 2 scores with only minutes remaining and Comers turnover had given the Galway crowd great energy.
Galway needed to go in 3 or 4 points ahead at half time after that 1st half but unfortunately didn't win enough primary possession and there was some daft handpasses from Kelly & Heaney to give crucial ball away. Heaney needed to go low for his goal chance, Heaney has a great goal record for Galway and doesn't miss too often. There were a couple of times when Kelly was been marked by White at the edge of the square and the ball needed to go in but didn't, a big mismatch in size there. On a few occasions when they tried it the ball was either over or under hit.
McDaid may have been lucky to win a free for that shoulder but equally you can look at Kerrys first point from a free where O'Connor got away with a lot of steps and thought Clifford got a very soft one off Glynn in the 2nd half. I know Galway got away with 2 bounces for their 11th point but that was a full minute before the ball went over the bar. As for Kerry's 18th point Spillane took 10 steps before bouncing the ball, a joke of a score and ultimately killed Galway.
At 15 – 14 to Kerry Galway won a kickout and were in on goal had Tierney gone left instead of right with the handpass and even when McDaid went for his shot if he'd popped it inside Galway had a 3 on 1. Think most of us though Galway always needed the goal to win. Another big moment when Galway were 14-12 ahead and Molloy had turned over O'Brien but McDaid gave a woeful ball to Walsh and Kerry went down and hit a score within 30 seconds. Just felt like a big moment if Galway could have gone 3 ahead.
Galway had scored 14 points by 45 minutes which is fantastic going but couldn't sustain it and only scored 2 in the remaining 30 minutes, this Kerry team have been on the road a lot longer and showed in the closing stages although Galway did really well to get back level with just 5 minutes remaining and we'll never know what would have happened had that free not gone against Daly. Comer was well watched, never left all alone with Foley on the edge of the square, Morley always their to cover. He should have spent more time around the 45 to get him into it.
The bench was always going to be an issue, nothing on it too change the direction of the match just players to protect the lead. Perhaps there's more in Eoin Finnerty and Conneely but we've yet to see it yet. Next year we need to find a few more lads or see the return of Cooke & Michael Daly and hope McLaughlin can kick on after injury. I'd like to think the likes of Cathal Sweeney will improve as he looked a superstar as a minor, Culhane another one, stood out a mile as an 18 year old in the u20 final win against Dublin 2 years ago.
I see Ray Silke has said Liam is away to NZ next year for 12 months, would be a big blow as he's finally found his feet at this level and turned into the player we'd all hoped he would. Getting Sean Kelly out of full back would improve the team going forward but not sure we can do without him back there.
Shane Walsh & McDaid have showed the country what their both capable of now, just need to do that consistency and in McDaid's case just stay fit. Tierney & Patrick Kelly are still both 21 so hopefully plenty of improvement left in them too.
But we had a year none of us were expecting and had some great days out that we'd not had in over 20 years and the pride has been put back into Galway football, lets hope they can hang around the next few years; Don't see any reason why not as long as the likes of Cian O'Neill remain involved.
Would agree with a lot of that in fairness and repeat some of that assessment in my own two cents below.
Congratulations to Kerry on their 38th title, the better squad with more experience deservedly won the match in the end although Galway will have huge regrets.
This has been a good year for Galway football outside of the final day and certainly the best since the 98-01 years although in fairness there is slim pickings besides it. Whether Galway can come back from this bitter disappointment and get a further step along the line is the next question, I think it will be tough, but the challenge is there now.
I always felt that Galway needed to get a goal without conceding one to win the final, Heaney's goal chance was one that got away, it was a sublime ball in from Daly that deserved a finish to the net. The overlap that should have led to a goal chance in the 2nd half but instead finished in McDaid's first wide was crucial, we had very little opportunity to get a numerical advantage going towards Kerry's goal and one handpass from Tierney to his left would have put Galway four on two with wide open space in front of Ryan, it would have been hard not to see an overlap tap in goal from there. Not executing those, along with the poor handpasses and kicks that led to squandered possession really hindered Galway.
Enough has been said about Shane Walsh since Sunday, he turned up and gave a player of the match worthy performance, given the stakes involved it was football of the first rate, he will likely never play a better game for Galway. Hopefully we will never have to see the phrase "show pony" used by certain people from certain parts of the country again. McDaid has been one of the difference makers this year, he's built for CP and is delivering on the athletic potential that took him to Aussies Rules previously.
Paul Conroy had a generally excellent year for Galway but unfortunately had his worst outing of 2023 in the final. One hospital kick pass in the second half which should have just been easily fisted to his colleague and resulted in a turnover was symptomatic of his issues. The argument has been made that it was pointless to sub him when there wasn't anything better to come on but I can see why the change was made, it wasn't his day.
Galway did a lot right to be fair, Sean O'Shea was wiped by Silke, I thought Glynn did really well on Paudie Clifford until he faded late, the entire HB line played well and had all time performances from McDaid and Walsh...but we still didn't get the job done.
Kerry had a plan for Comer that they executed perfectly, they essentially said "this guy is going to have Foley on his hip all the time with close cover in front, if you beat us with your other lads best of luck to you." The other lads outside of Walsh did not perform well enough to do so and Comer wasn't seen until he moved way further out the pitch. Finnerty was well marshalled by one of Kerry's standout performers on the day, he will want to forget his final and semi-final games although I thought he was at least involved a bit in the first half, no shots at the posts though and his value to the team is chipping in with a few scores in a match. Tierney and Patrick Kelly were involved in general play to a better extent but didn't get a sniff of a shot. Some of this was down to lack of ball going in and poor execution but in an AI final you have to leave your own mark, Galway got 13 points from two players and 0-2 from the defence, we only needed 5 points from Conroy and the FF/HF lines to get to the magic 20 point mark, we didn't get it. The subs bench had one lad who contributed to the other games, O Laoi. I nearly fell out of my seat when I saw Eoin Finnerty, who hadn't played a minute of championship and barely a minute in the league, entering the fray.
The fall from grace of Paul Kelly since the league is baffling, his form must have fallen off a cliff in training. When you needed legs, athleticism and someone who can kick a point in the 2nd half, he would be someone that would have fitted all those categories I thought. Hasn't been used at all though and I suppose PJ and the backroom team are seeing these lads all the time.
I thought Kerry were nervy enough in the first half, started two lads in Geaney and Moran whose IC careers look cooked, it was an advantage that Galway didn't make enough use of, realistically Kerry started the 2nd half with a better team than what they had in the parade. If Galway hadn't been so poor from both kick outs in the first half then we would have been in a great position at half time, Clifford kept Kerry going in the first half. Really thinking about it, Galway losing the majority of both kickouts during the first 20 minutes when Kerry were edgy and kicking bad wides, was ultimately the losing of the match, if a strong lead had been gained at that time then who knows.
Lot of talk about the free in against John Daly, it's pointless blaming the loss of the match on the referee for the call at 16 points each, but that is only because there was so much wrong with Galway's own performance that cost us the match. Joyce was right to come out afterwards about it, if the shoe was on the other foot and Galway had sneaked over the line after going 17-16 up from the same call at the other end, the complaints from the Kerry media mafia would have been loud and pointed. Rightly or wrongly you just don't see those type of frees given in an AI final. As I said here pre-match regarding the referee and the need to be strong in the match when the narrative is that Kerry should win easy because that is just the "natural order" of it, "
that type of subconscious bias is where the big teams tend to get the 50/50 calls across all sports" and it's something that outsiders or unheralded teams just have to deal with, if Galway did the same amount of cynical fouling after turnovers that Kerry did the last day I guarantee we would not have finished with fifteen men on the pitch. To beat the likes of Kerry or Dublin by a single point in a match you need to be at least a three to four points better team on the day, Galway unfortunately didn't have enough lads show up front to get ourselves into that type of a position in the second half. To reiterate though, the ref did not cost us the match on Sunday, it's one of those things that champion teams overcome.
Kerry might kick on and become a great team that will dominate now that the pressure is off and they have the AI medals in the back pocket. With Clifford up front I could see that happening as you just need a reasonably decent supporting cast that can get him the ball, he is that good. I could see them as a top team that doesn't utterly dominate as well. Kerry certainly weren't an all-conquering team yet last Sunday however, knowing that might be the best shot we will get to beat them is hard to take when you have to listen to the pat on the head stuff from some of their fans in the pubs afterwards, they had no fear of Galway before Sunday and will have even less now.
A positive year for Galway but it will be difficult to get back to the final again. Dublin aren't going anywhere, they don't lose AI finals and Galway cannot beat them in championship anyway. Mayo with Conroy and O'Donoghue back will be a serious prospect again, I don't buy that they are finished (caveat is that Keegan continues and maintains his greatness). Tyrone will have finished up their traditional post AI year off. Armagh will surely push on next year and become a really good team. I don't know whether Derry can evolve from this year's iteration but I wouldn't write it off, if they get a decent lead up on any team they are dangerous as is. And of course, Kerry are champions again looking to kick on to greater heights, the standard there is multiple team wins of the canister. Clifford is still so young and Jack O'Connor will be aiming for the only thing not on his CV, back-to-back AI's.
Galway squad depth was shown up as a problem during the championship, unfortunately instead of adding players to the squad Galway will be losing some key players and not as a result of injury. Already been confirmed that Liam Silke - after an excellent final performance and what was by a distance his best year in a Galway jersey - will be unavailable in 2023, I've slated him before for not bringing his Corofin form into the county team but full credit for 2022, excellent. Strong rumours that he is not the only starter who will gone for the next year, hard to credit that 20% of that starting team won't be there next year. It's these departures which only put us back to square one in terms of squad building and competition for starting jerseys. It adds further to the regret about Sunday, hard to see Galway improving when lads are heading for the exit door.
Ultimately only time will tell if Sunday was another steppingstone along the way to the redemption of Galway football with an AI final win, or if this was a once off golden opportunity that hasn't been taken. In fairness to the management and players, that there is such a sense of a missed chance to snag Sam last Sunday is testament to the big improvements and strides taken in 2022, I certainly did not see it coming.
You don't get many chances to win an AI outside of Kerry/Dublin monopoly. Sunday was a missed opportunity for Galway. Dublin out of the way and a volatile Kerry group. Nothing is guaranteed for this Galway group. and the includes the minimum of Winning Connacht next year. I noticed Paul Conroy was the only Galway player not smiling coming onto the pitch at the homecoming in Pearce Stadium. He knows this. Many Galway players will have entered celebrity status this year. Players who were unknowns are now recognised on the street. How they deal with this will be a big factor. I'm not a big fan of homecomings for losing teams. Acknowledging a loss with fanfare can send out the wrong message and subliminally feel players can feel ok about losing and ''sure we did our best'' becomes the slogan and a theme.
Kerry players fear not going back with Sam Maguire and the talk after winning is that of Relief. Relief that they will be able to walk the streets in Kerry with their head held high.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
You don't get many chances to win an AI outside of Kerry/Dublin monopoly. Sunday was a missed opportunity for Galway. Dublin out of the way and a volatile Kerry group. Nothing is guaranteed for this Galway group. and the includes the minimum of Winning Connacht next year. I noticed Paul Conroy was the only Galway player not smiling coming onto the pitch at the homecoming in Pearce Stadium. He knows this. Many Galway players will have entered celebrity status this year. Players who were unknowns are now recognised on the street. How they deal with this will be a big factor. I'm not a big fan of homecomings for losing teams. Acknowledging a loss with fanfare can send out the wrong message and subliminally feel players can feel ok about losing and ''sure we did our best'' becomes the slogan and a theme.
Kerry players fear not going back with Sam Maguire and the talk after winning is that of Relief. Relief that they will be able to walk the streets in Kerry with their head held high.
From the Joe Brolly handbook ie respect and self worth only comes from winning.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
You don't get many chances to win an AI outside of Kerry/Dublin monopoly. Sunday was a missed opportunity for Galway. Dublin out of the way and a volatile Kerry group. Nothing is guaranteed for this Galway group. and the includes the minimum of Winning Connacht next year. I noticed Paul Conroy was the only Galway player not smiling coming onto the pitch at the homecoming in Pearce Stadium. He knows this. Many Galway players will have entered celebrity status this year. Players who were unknowns are now recognised on the street. How they deal with this will be a big factor. I'm not a big fan of homecomings for losing teams. Acknowledging a loss with fanfare can send out the wrong message and subliminally feel players can feel ok about losing and ''sure we did our best'' becomes the slogan and a theme.
Kerry players fear not going back with Sam Maguire and the talk after winning is that of Relief. Relief that they will be able to walk the streets in Kerry with their head held high.
From the Joe Brolly handbook ie respect and self worth only comes from winning.
I'm afraid that's from the Kerry Handbook. A very successful Handbook at that!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
You don't get many chances to win an AI outside of Kerry/Dublin monopoly. Sunday was a missed opportunity for Galway. Dublin out of the way and a volatile Kerry group. Nothing is guaranteed for this Galway group. and the includes the minimum of Winning Connacht next year. I noticed Paul Conroy was the only Galway player not smiling coming onto the pitch at the homecoming in Pearce Stadium. He knows this. Many Galway players will have entered celebrity status this year. Players who were unknowns are now recognised on the street. How they deal with this will be a big factor. I'm not a big fan of homecomings for losing teams. Acknowledging a loss with fanfare can send out the wrong message and subliminally feel players can feel ok about losing and ''sure we did our best'' becomes the slogan and a theme.
Kerry players fear not going back with Sam Maguire and the talk after winning is that of Relief. Relief that they will be able to walk the streets in Kerry with their head held high.
Once upon a time though, winning one AI medal for Kerry was no mark of distinction. I think that will be a big reset going forward.
I see Joyce has said he's confident he'll have Silke back for next year and they'll do whatever it takes to get him back, no mention of the other two but they probably had decided to go travelling long before the championship started, would imagine a run to the final will have changed their minds.
Silke had a year out in 2018 too, I've always been critical of him but thats probably because he's struggled with lads who've raw pace and he's been given the wrong matchup; Probably won't be far off an All Star as he's excelled this summer and had great games against some top forwards who aren't quick like McGuigan & O'Shea.
I'd like to think Peter Cooke & Michael Daly will commit next year, Daly I know hasn't set the world alight but as we can see from club football he's consistently one of the best players in Galway and talent wise is miles ahead of the likes of O'Laoi. Hopefully Culhane kicks on, he was the best forward on show as an 18 year old in the U20 final 2 years ago and was still u20 this year.
Homecomings for the losing team aren't great but its been 21 year since they were last in a final and it was mostly kids who are at it, from a marketing point of view it was a good idea given how crap Galways support they've got to do anything they can to help improve it.
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
90% of the last 20 All-Irelands have went to Dublin, Kerry & Tyrone
Have GONE >:(
Well over time for someone else to take Sam alright.
Kerry 6/4
Dublin 3/1
Galway 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 14/1
Derry 18/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Monaghan 50/1
Rest 100/1 plus
Can we split Kerry in two please? Its not fair, they have 38 titles surely there is some financial irregularities going on there?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
90% of the last 20 All-Irelands have went to Dublin, Kerry & Tyrone
When you consider the huge funding imbalance and the tradition of Dublin & Kerry it is some achievement for Tyrone to have picked up 4 All Ireland's in the last 20 years when these two have been so dominant.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
90% of the last 20 All-Irelands have went to Dublin, Kerry & Tyrone
Previous 20 years had 9 different winners. Kerry/Dub % was far lower.
I think it's linked to the economic system.
Kerry 5
Cork 2
Meath 4
Dublin 2
Armagh 1
Galway 2
Donegal 1
Derry 1
Down 2
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
90% of the last 20 All-Irelands have went to Dublin, Kerry & Tyrone
Football is in a good place, there's 7 or 8 teams who'll have realistic ambitions of winning it in the next 2 years.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 28, 2022, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
That is 3 different winners in 3 years i hope another different team wins it next year its no good having the sam macgure cup just recycle between 2 or 3 teams it very to hard to see beyond kerry again next year tho.
90% of the last 20 All-Irelands have went to Dublin, Kerry & Tyrone
Football is in a good place, there's 7 or 8 teams who'll have realistic ambitions of winning it in the next 2 years.
Ambitions yes however how many can go on and match those ambitions? Can your own Galway get that extra 10% needed to beat Kerry,Dublin in a knock out game? Not sure how much further Derry,Armagh can improve on this year. Donegal have the potential and might be there or thereabouts by appointing a better manager than Bonnar. The best was probably seen of Mayo 2012 to 2017.
how many of those 38 titles happened when they only needed to win 4 games
Quote from: Eire90 on July 28, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
how many of those 38 titles happened when they only needed to win 4 games
how many did they win this year ? 5 ?
Gaa is gone from having 3/4 teams in with a chance to maybe 6/7 but the others have gone way back and the gulf in standard is absolutely huge
Quote from: Eire90 on July 28, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
how many of those 38 titles happened when they only needed to win 4 games
6 games was the absolute most a team needed to win to get Sam in those days so I'd say they'd have won 38 anyway.
Old friends reunited! :)
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Great pic
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
Presumably works and lives in Dublin?
Crokes membership is full of wealthy culchies.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
I imagine Supermacs will get a call.
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
Presumably works and lives in Dublin?
Crokes membership is full of wealthy culchies.
I believe he going to college which would call in the integrity into transfer regarding his residency.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
He would be eligible if hasn't played played championship in Galway. Ridiculous transfer as Crokes have enough players.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
He would be eligible if hasn't played played championship in Galway. Ridiculous transfer as Crokes have enough players.
It's reported in the national media that he won't be eligible. Crokes was close to winning the AI last year but were lacking that extra bit of scoring power. Is Mannion due to play for them this year?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
He would be eligible if hasn't played played championship in Galway. Ridiculous transfer as Crokes have enough players.
It's reported in the national media that he won't be eligible. Crokes was close to winning the AI last year but were lacking that extra bit of scoring power. Is Mannion due to play for them this year?
Mannion should be back now. First round of championship games starting next weekend.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
He would be eligible if hasn't played played championship in Galway. Ridiculous transfer as Crokes have enough players.
It's reported in the national media that he won't be eligible. Crokes was close to winning the AI last year but were lacking that extra bit of scoring power. Is Mannion due to play for them this year?
It says in the Indo article on it today that he would be eligible to play.
Sure he wouldn't transfer otherwise until next year like.
He lives and works in Dublin? What does he do?
Quote from: galwayman on July 30, 2022, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 30, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Shane Walsh transferring to Kilmacud Crokes.
A bit odd considering he won't be eligible to play in this years Dublin club championship as it due to start shortly. Kilkerrin fighting to keep him not happy with actions of Kilmacud.
He would be eligible if hasn't played played championship in Galway. Ridiculous transfer as Crokes have enough players.
It's reported in the national media that he won't be eligible. Crokes was close to winning the AI last year but were lacking that extra bit of scoring power. Is Mannion due to play for them this year?
It says in the Indo article on it today that he would be eligible to play.
Sure he wouldn't transfer otherwise until next year like.
Fair enough so.
Quote from: smort on July 30, 2022, 05:08:14 PM
He lives and works in Dublin? What does he do?
Training to be a PE teacher
If he's living in Dublin it's a no brainer to join
Hardly been the first like o
Living somewhere as a student doesn't qualify as a permanent resident.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Living somewhere as a student doesn't qualify as a permanent resident.
Is he a part time resident?
Per GAA rules (6.3 and 6.6 I'm told) students away from home are not classed as permanent residents for transfer purposes.
I'm guessing Crokes approached him, he mentioned it to his home Club who got their native son Breheny to publicise it so it won't be just nodded through?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2022, 12:04:11 PM
Per GAA rules (6.3 and 6.6 I'm told) students away from home are not classed as permanent residents for transfer purposes.
I'm guessing Crokes approached him, he mentioned it to his home Club who got their native son Breheny to publicise it so it won't be just nodded through?
I would say it more likely Walsh approached Crokes.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0731/1313189-kilkerrin-clonberne-to-object-if-walsh-submits-transfer/
If the objection is successful I can't see Shane losing any sweat for the Club.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2022, 02:29:38 PM
If the objection is successful I can't see Shane losing any sweat for the Club.
It's a lose-lose situation for Kilkerrin-clonberne. :-\
Hopefully this shines a light on the shenanigans of the big Dublin clubs.
I'm from a small Dublin northside club, and our best footballer was on the Dublin panel but not getting a run. St Vincent's did everything they could to poach him, but we objected at every turn. The lad's head was definitely turned, but in fairness to him he knuckled down and keeps producing for us.
I'd love to see some kind of a draft system in place, where if there is someone like Walsh with a genuine reason to move to Dublin, and doesn't want to travel home for club training and club games that he goes to the weakest south side senior club rather than to the biggest and strongest club in the county (albeit unrealistic for an amateur sport).
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2022, 03:43:24 PM
Hopefully this shines a light on the shenanigans of the big Dublin clubs.
I'm from a small Dublin northside club, and our best footballer was on the Dublin panel but not getting a run. St Vincent's did everything they could to poach him, but we objected at every turn. The lad's head was definitely turned, but in fairness to him he knuckled down and keeps producing for us.
I'd love to see some kind of a draft system in place, where if there is someone like Walsh with a genuine reason to move to Dublin, and doesn't want to travel home for club training and club games that he goes to the weakest south side senior club rather than to the biggest and strongest club in the county (albeit unrealistic for an amateur sport).
Perhaps a draft system would be hard to arrange, but you could limit intercounty transfers to clubs to one per year or the like.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2022, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2022, 02:29:38 PM
If the objection is successful I can't see Shane losing any sweat for the Club.
It's a lose-lose situation for Kilkerrin-clonberne. :-\
What are the actual rules around inter county transfers? If the parent club refuses to sign the transfer form what happens next like?
I can see where any small club is coming from if they're losing one of the best players in the country (and Kilkerrin-Clonberne are struggling at adult level at the moment).
At the same time - is there any point in standing in a players way if they want to transfer away to where they're living?
We lost probably our best player this year to a transfer to a Dublin club. All we could do is sign the transfer and wish the guy well. He's in his mid to late 20s and has given us a lot of commitment over the years. Couldn't blame him for transferring as his life is in Dublin for now.
Granted he isn't Shane Walsh level of talent but then who is.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Holmes was with Armagh Harps but yes the Moy were playing Internediate in 2008 with those other 4 players mentioned in their prime. They lost the Intermediate final that year but won the Division 2 league to gain promotion back to Senior. They were relegated to Intermediate again about 3 years after that too.
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.
Quote from: fearsiuil on August 02, 2022, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.
Intermediate in Kerry is like a Senior'B' Championship.
Junior is like Intermediate B.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2022, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: fearsiuil on August 02, 2022, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.
Intermediate in Kerry is like a Senior'B' Championship.
Junior is like Intermediate B.
No intermediate like!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.
Good players generally come through the county set ups at under 14 up, they'll have developed a lot better than the other kids in their club regardless of where their senior team play, if they progress through minor to under 21 while being part of a schools or college team then their development will be ready to make that jump to senior county, their club though could still be Junior!
Its not uncommon in some counties like Kerry for example but rarer in counties like Antrim, did a match the other week, county player on a current intermediate team, but may be Junior next year, he was physically in a different planet to his team mates, and skill level was night and day. One county standard player can only bring a team so far
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.
Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 02, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.
Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.
Clan were definitely a junior club when the 2 maestros were in their prime
Quote from: JoG2 on August 03, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 02, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 31, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win
How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be
Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??
Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?
Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.
Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.
Clan were definitely a junior club when the 2 maestros were in their prime
They won Junior in 1997 in what would have been Dooher's 2nd season with the Tyrone senior team and with O'Neill a Tyrone minor. They then won Intermediate the following season and were Senior for a very long time after that. So both players played Senior mostly in their prime.