Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
Clare have done you no favour.
Galway will be distracted with suspensions and appeals. It's Derry's to lose.
Galway beat Armagh and Derry on the way to the All Ireland in 2001
Quote from: Sportacus on June 26, 2022, 07:55:47 PM
Clare have done you no favour.
Not sure what Favour Clare could have given , but Derry have made it to a semifinal without favours.
Sean Kelly's red will surely be appealed as I assume both he & Aidan Nugent were sent off as team captains as it was too big of a mess to unravel otherwise? Don't think Galway will get any further punishment, but if they do surely clogging the disciplinary channels will get them off anyway as there's not much time to the semi. Screw the nicities, dog eat dog now.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2022, 08:02:26 PM
Galway beat Armagh and Derry on the way to the All Ireland in 2001
......................and Roscommon and lost the League Final to Connacht neighbours!
Honestly believe that either of these two sides can go on and win it. They both have individuals in key areas as good as anyone left in the competition
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
...and if he doesn't
The Derry goalie has bombscare potential too tho
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 26, 2022, 08:21:35 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
...and if he doesn't
Won't stop him spitting on his hands
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 07:58:45 PM
Galway will be distracted with suspensions and appeals. It's Derry's to lose.
Yes, a very unexpected semi final appearance against a team that hammered us a matter of weeks ago is Derry's to lose!
I honestly don't know how this game will pan out. We have the players to match up, but absolutely anything can happen on the day. We're in bonus territory, again!
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
...and if he doesn't
Won't stop him spitting on his hands
He'd need to be careful with that craic. Covid is on the rise. Wouldn't want an outbreak ahead of the semi.
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
...and if he doesn't
Won't stop him spitting on his hands
He'd need to be careful with that craic. Covid is on the rise. Wouldn't want an outbreak ahead of the semi.
The likes of Rory started Covid not some poor auld monkey in a lab in China.
Joyce was spitting on hand's also
Is the hand spitting more contagious than Covid?
Just can't get my head around how an inter county keeper can be so bad under a high ball?
Quote from: galwayman on June 26, 2022, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Who's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2022, 08:36:53 PM
Just can't get my head around how an inter county keeper can be so bad under a high ball?
Now in fairness, they were great balls into the square - hung in their nicely.
Funny for all the tactics in football nowadays, it's hard to beat the big dig into the square to cause pure panic in every team.
I think as it's never hardly used nowadays that teams at training never use it, then if it happens in a match, it becomes a pure panic session in there.
Quote from: marty34 on June 26, 2022, 08:42:32 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
He'll not be as dodgy again.
His kick-outs are good enough.
Derry will need to improve on the performance against Clare.
But if we do, we can win.
Galway are avoid side and have already handed us our arses this year so will be confident. They are a bit of a bogey team for Derry.
Derry playing at their best can be a match for anyone.
Interesting game and suspensions from the melee could come into play.
Having watched all the games this weekend, there were no stand out favourites for AI glory imo.
Quote from: marty34 on June 26, 2022, 08:48:59 PM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
He'll not be as dodgy again.
His kick-outs are good enough.
I think today his kick outs were decent.
Normally though they are highly dodgy
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
Saw Joyce doing a bit of the spitting today too. Suppose like everything else, if you see it working for somebody else, you've got to give it a go just in case it gives you the extra 1%😁
Hope Seán Kelly gets his suspension over-turned and is available for the semi-final.
How he was sent off and Comer wasn't is shocking.
Bookies have us one point favourites.
It's a fascinating game especially given the league meeting where Galway beat us out the gate. As far as I remember we were only missing McGuigan that day but we've obviously done so much work since then and improved massively.
Really really looking forward to it!!
Quote from: galwayman on June 26, 2022, 08:46:52 PM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
You're awful sore on players representing your county.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 26, 2022, 10:12:00 PM
Hope Seán Kelly gets his suspension over-turned and is available for the semi-final.
How he was sent off and Comer wasn't is shocking.
As a Derry man I'd like to see Kelly get off also. He doesn't look a dirty player and it didn't look like he did much. Hopefully both teams at full strength and let the best team win.
Galway were very impressive today, they have the defence and forward line to win an All Ireland. Derry have also been good this season but league is very competitive and Galway found a way to beat the Derry system that day with little trouble. I'm sure Derry will learn from it but I'm not sure they'll be able to turn such a big defeat around so quickly. I think Galway will win this and give the final a right go.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
You're awful sore on players representing your county.
Why do you say that!
Im just Pointing out that our keeper isn't up to county standard and those of us that watch this team regularly have known that long before today.
Aside from that - absolutely delighted with the win.
Made hard work of it but a win is a win
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
You're awful sore on players representing your county.
Why do you say that!
Im just Pointing out that our keeper isn't up to county standard and those of us that watch this team regularly have known that long before today.
Aside from that - absolutely delighted with the win.
Made hard work of it but a win is a win
Neither is the Derry keeper
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Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Think it's a toss up at this stage. A lot will depend on Galway injuries and any suspensions that might come their way!
And will depend if Galway management has the street smarts to drop Gleeson in goal. Rory Gallagher will be doing some amount of spitting on his hands if he starts.
They won't drop Gleeson not a chance.
Anyone that watches us on a regular basis knows how much of a liability he is.
But they are not about to drop him now for a guy that's never played even a league game
What about putting an out-field goalie in nets?
Qho's the 3rd mid-fielder for Galway?
Genuinely we barely have a midfielder on the panel.
Conroy Tierney Niall Daly play there from time to time.
McDaid isn't a midfielder.
Like it's been well flagged for the last two years now how poor he is.
Maybe today is the day the wider public have seen it
You're awful sore on players representing your county.
Why do you say that!
Im just Pointing out that our keeper isn't up to county standard and those of us that watch this team regularly have known that long before today.
Aside from that - absolutely delighted with the win.
Made hard work of it but a win is a win
Neither is the Derry keeper
He looks very dodgy, slow on his feet
Quote from: Gael80 on June 26, 2022, 10:46:22 PM
Galway were very impressive today, they have the defence and forward line to win an All Ireland. Derry have also been good this season but league is very competitive and Galway found a way to beat the Derry system that day with little trouble. I'm sure Derry will learn from it but I'm not sure they'll be able to turn such a big defeat around so quickly. I think Galway will win this and give the final a right go.
Galway have a forward line and in Tierney, Conroy midfield partnership good enough to challenge for the All-Ireland but defensive and goalkeeping issues are clearly there teams that go on to win the All-Ireland don't concede the high scores Galway concede and are able to close games out better. That wasn't a once off for Galway today either.
Not sure what relevance the league encounter will have. Derry have stepped up a lot from then including improved system of play.
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 10:27:19 PM
Bookies have us one point favourites.
It's a fascinating game especially given the league meeting where Galway beat us out the gate. As far as I remember we were only missing McGuigan that day but we've obviously done so much work since then and improved massively.
Really really looking forward to it!!
That heavy defeat in Owenbeg can only work in Derry's favour.
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Quote from: Gael80 on June 26, 2022, 10:46:22 PM
Galway were very impressive today, they have the defence and forward line to win an All Ireland. Derry have also been good this season but league is very competitive and Galway found a way to beat the Derry system that day with little trouble. I'm sure Derry will learn from it but I'm not sure they'll be able to turn such a big defeat around so quickly. I think Galway will win this and give the final a right go.
Galway have a forward line and in Tierney, Conroy midfield partnership good enough to challenge for the All-Ireland but defensive and goalkeeping issues are clearly there teams that go on to win the All-Ireland don't concede the high scores Galway concede and are able to close games out better. That wasn't a once off for Galway today either.
Not sure what relevance the league encounter will have. Derry have stepped up a lot from then including improved system of play.
Galway have weaknesses for sure but I think you could say the same about the other three teams left. I just feel today's win will turn out to be very significant and Galway will play in an All Ireland Final, one they've the team to win.
Will Derry revert to their home jersey for this game? They've played all their games this championship season in the alternative red top
It be battle of the keepers, Derry keeper was cause of 2 goals and a foul on Rodgers the other, as Galway had 3 goals scored early ending the game after 20mins in owenbeg. Derry have improved massively but some forwards are not taking responsibility for scoring leaving it all on McGuigan. Am not overly happy with the forwards but we little else on the panel.
Galway a definite bogey team for Derry, we don't beat them often over the yrs even in the league. Galway denied Derry in 98 when they were strong favourites. Beat Derry in 2001, this time Galway were favourites but Derry had them beat only to do a melt down 5pts up with 64mins on the clock.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2022, 12:28:50 AM
Galway a definite bogey team for Derry, we don't beat them often over the yrs even on the league. Galway denied Derry in 98 when they were strong favourites. Beat Derry in 2001, this time Galway were favourites but Derry had them beat only to do a melt down 5pts up with 64mins on the clock.
They also beat us down in Galway in 2014/15 in a qualifier, and an all Ireland minor semi and final too.
Galway will not win this game.
They dont have the players to break down the Derry system - Armagh held them at bay for long periods yesterday when they had their defensive structure in place.
And going by what we saw at the weekend Derry will give the final a brave rattle as well
Sunday Game pundits all went for Derry
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1541188428708159489
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 08:24:03 AM
Galway will not win this game.
They dont have the players to break down the Derry system - Armagh held them at bay for long periods yesterday when they had their defensive structure in place.
And going by what we saw at the weekend Derry will give the final a brave rattle as well
I think Walsh, Comer and Finnerty are as well placed as anyone to break down the Derry system.
Also it will be interesting if Kelly plays. If he doesn't then that's their main man marker for McGuigan gone. That for me will be a big factor but I'd be shocked if Kelly doesn't play.
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Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 08:24:03 AM
Galway will not win this game.
They dont have the players to break down the Derry system - Armagh held them at bay for long periods yesterday when they had their defensive structure in place.
And going by what we saw at the weekend Derry will give the final a brave rattle as well
I think Walsh, Comer and Finnerty are as well placed as anyone to break down the Derry system.
Also it will be interesting if Kelly plays. If he doesn't then that's their main man marker for McGuigan gone. That for me will be a big factor but I'd be shocked if Kelly doesn't play.
Galway struggled for long periods to break down Armagh - a lot of their scores came on the break or from Armagh mistakes.
And the Derry system is significantly superior to Armaghs
I would agree with the system being a lot better. It will be very interesting. I would have Galway favourites tbh but wouldn't rule out Derry beating them either. I actually think the Galway keeper being so ropy provides a dilemma for Derry. They have a system which works and would be better not deviating but if there is such a glaring weakness they would need to try and act on it too. If it ain't broke though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
I would agree with the system being a lot better. It will be very interesting. I would have Galway favourites tbh but wouldn't rule out Derry beating them either. I actually think the Galway keeper being so ropy provides a dilemma for Derry. They have a system which works and would be better not deviating but if there is such a glaring weakness they would need to try and act on it too. If it ain't broke though.
Derry are slight favourites with bookies.
Clare(5-1) and Derry(6-1) nice double for the outright
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 26, 2022, 10:46:22 PM
Galway were very impressive today, they have the defence and forward line to win an All Ireland. Derry have also been good this season but league is very competitive and Galway found a way to beat the Derry system that day with little trouble. I'm sure Derry will learn from it but I'm not sure they'll be able to turn such a big defeat around so quickly. I think Galway will win this and give the final a right go.
Galway have a forward line and in Tierney, Conroy midfield partnership good enough to challenge for the All-Ireland but defensive and goalkeeping issues are clearly there teams that go on to win the All-Ireland don't concede the high scores Galway concede and are able to close games out better. That wasn't a once off for Galway today either.
Not sure what relevance the league encounter will have. Derry have stepped up a lot from then including improved system of play.
I actually thought Galways defensively were decent-seemed to get the man on the ball surrounded fairly quickly where as we allowed lads to run through unchallenged. Although Galwaus clean useless under a high ball clearly.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
I would agree with the system being a lot better. It will be very interesting. I would have Galway favourites tbh but wouldn't rule out Derry beating them either. I actually think the Galway keeper being so ropy provides a dilemma for Derry. They have a system which works and would be better not deviating but if there is such a glaring weakness they would need to try and act on it too. If it ain't broke though.
Any chance we could get Callum Brown home from Oz for the semi final and stick him in ff for the entire game ;)
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
I would agree with the system being a lot better. It will be very interesting. I would have Galway favourites tbh but wouldn't rule out Derry beating them either. I actually think the Galway keeper being so ropy provides a dilemma for Derry. They have a system which works and would be better not deviating but if there is such a glaring weakness they would need to try and act on it too. If it ain't broke though.
Any chance we could get Callum Brown home from Oz for the semi final and stick him in ff for the entire game ;)
Glass inside?
This is the thing. If Derry go with that approach IMO they will lose. Need to do what they are good at and throw the odd curveball.
Fear no way Clare beat Limerick. Tbh also can't see Derry winning AI. They've improved immeasurably but not enough. Happy to be proved wrong on that tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 09:55:16 AM
This is the thing. If Derry go with that approach IMO they will lose. Need to do what they are good at and throw the odd curveball.
Fear no way Clare beat Limerick. Tbh also can't see Derry winning AI. They've improved immeasurably but not enough. Happy to be proved wrong on that tbh.
Nice wee bet
Worth a punt definitely.
I don't think the league game has any relevance to this whatsoever, Derry made 3/4 mistakes against the wind and were punished, the game was over very early and both teams will have learned little. I do think Galway are favourites tho, for two reasons, 1) I think they have the inside forwards to take scores from outside the blanket and force derry to push up and open up a little, I think Galway will score more against Derry than any team this year. 2) I think they will press the Derry kickout and get joy as Derry imo have struggled when they have had to go long and there is mistakes in Lynch if he goes short. Having said all that, I don't overly rate Galway defensively, I think they will struggle to match Derrys running game especially in transition, and if Derry are as clinical as they were at the weekend then they could get something, will need other forwards to step up and take scores tho. Overall I'd have Galway 2/3 point favourites but wouldn't be surprised with any result.
South Derry have a great chance V Galway.
Gallagher will get his match ups spot on. He's a shrewd operator.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
I would agree with the system being a lot better. It will be very interesting. I would have Galway favourites tbh but wouldn't rule out Derry beating them either. I actually think the Galway keeper being so ropy provides a dilemma for Derry. They have a system which works and would be better not deviating but if there is such a glaring weakness they would need to try and act on it too. If it ain't broke though.
Any chance we could get Callum Brown home from Oz for the semi final and stick him in ff for the entire game ;)
Get big Tockhill on. Antney not Anton 😉
Muldoon could have had some fun in there too tbh
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on June 27, 2022, 10:17:47 AM
I don't think the league game has any relevance to this whatsoever, Derry made 3/4 mistakes against the wind and were punished, the game was over very early and both teams will have learned little. I do think Galway are favourites tho, for two reasons, 1) I think they have the inside forwards to take scores from outside the blanket and force derry to push up and open up a little, I think Galway will score more against Derry than any team this year. 2) I think they will press the Derry kickout and get joy as Derry imo have struggled when they have had to go long and there is mistakes in Lynch if he goes short. Having said all that, I don't overly rate Galway defensively, I think they will struggle to match Derrys running game especially in transition, and if Derry are as clinical as they were at the weekend then they could get something, will need other forwards to step up and take scores tho. Overall I'd have Galway 2/3 point favourites but wouldn't be surprised with any result.
They have to press the derry kickouts. When teams have done that this year Derry haven't looked as slick. Derry need to find a way round that as Galway are bound to push up on kickouts. I also predict Galway but wouldn't be surprised either way.
The league game will have zero bearing on this game in much the same way Dublins league campaign has had any impact on their championship season
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2022, 10:49:05 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on June 27, 2022, 10:17:47 AM
I don't think the league game has any relevance to this whatsoever, Derry made 3/4 mistakes against the wind and were punished, the game was over very early and both teams will have learned little. I do think Galway are favourites tho, for two reasons, 1) I think they have the inside forwards to take scores from outside the blanket and force derry to push up and open up a little, I think Galway will score more against Derry than any team this year. 2) I think they will press the Derry kickout and get joy as Derry imo have struggled when they have had to go long and there is mistakes in Lynch if he goes short. Having said all that, I don't overly rate Galway defensively, I think they will struggle to match Derrys running game especially in transition, and if Derry are as clinical as they were at the weekend then they could get something, will need other forwards to step up and take scores tho. Overall I'd have Galway 2/3 point favourites but wouldn't be surprised with any result.
They have to press the derry kickouts. When teams have done that this year Derry haven't looked as slick. Derry need to find a way round that as Galway are bound to push up on kickouts. I also predict Galway but wouldn't be surprised either way.
Probably too much emphasis these days on kick outs. It's the 'in' thing nowadays. Coming from the stats men. Pundits like it also.
Key thing is the shooting and shot selection.
Both teams will get their opportunities. Will they give it to the player in the best position?
What's the conversion rate of scores/shots.
That's the key thing.
Derry seemed intent on scoring goals as early as they could and create goals chances, which they did. They didn't want Clare to settle into the game.
Galway didn't have that same intent. They were slow to start and once they got going, they controlled the game.
The kickouts are a huge thing. Look at derry clare on saturday. Clare didn't press them so derry got the space to build as they wanted. You don't win your kickouts then you don't have the option for shot selection etc. Yes it's not the only thing but in hurling and football these days it's a huge thing.
I predicted a 10 point win against Clare, most people were bigging up Clare.
I don't know about Galway, I think Derry could win but I wouldn't bet on it.
I was in Cusack Lower in 2001 as a 9 year old, that was a difficult defeat to watch but this team is better than 2001. If they get to the final they are the joint 2nd best Derry team in history.
Sean Kelly will surely be back if they are willing to admit he was not a guilty party, but will others be in trouble?
Who was on the ground with Rafferty? Comer and Morgan mouthing and dunting each other were the first ones to kick off too.
It's just something not mentioned yet amid all the other stuff.
Galway were very slow and seemed to be hanging on to it for the sake of it at the start but then they started punching through. Will they find these gaps at all versus Derry?
The good thing for Galway is that other lads stepped up well like Finnerty and McDaid.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 11:02:18 AM
I predicted a 10 point win against Clare, most people were bigging up Clare.
I don't know about Galway, I think Derry could win but I wouldn't bet on it.
I was in Cusack Lower in 2001 as a 9 year old, that was a difficult defeat to watch but this team is better than 2001. If they get to the final they are the joint 2nd best Derry team in history.
2 of TSG mentioned Derry's continuing improvement as if Donegal and Clare were top notch teams. I think it will be close.
Donegal aren't that bad. They capitulated once beat by Derry but people say look what Armagh did to them forgetting they pretty much hammered Armagh too.
Clare weren't great but beat a division 1 team to get there. That seems to be forgotten too.
In saying that I still expect Galway to beat them.
Hope Kelly gets to play, he should. Can't understand how we're favorites with the bookies. Galway gave us a right trimming in the league. They've serious forwards to give us bother. Galway have always been a bogey team for us as mentioned too.
I hope we don't change our style of play, i'd only really opt for the high ball if we fall behind, maybe bring Emmett Bradley in around the square. What we've been doing has worked so far so I wouldn't be changing things too much. Hopefully we've a lot more work done on the kickout as it was a major part of our downfall in the league.
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
If a team learns from a defeat, whether it be Tyrone against Kerry last year or Armagh against Donegal this year, then they can reverse things second time around. I'd favour Derry here, they need a disciplined defence, Galway got too many frees against Armagh.
I think Galway probably have the better footballers in the forward division but I would fancy Derry to win this match. They are very well drilled and everybody knows their job and Gallagher is arguably the best coach in Ireland. He will have his homework done on Galways danger men.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2022, 12:31:31 PM
I think Galway probably have the better footballers in the forward division but I would fancy Derry to win this match. They are very well drilled and everybody knows their job and Gallagher is arguably the best coach in Ireland. He will have his homework done on Galways danger men.
calm down
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 11:02:18 AM
I predicted a 10 point win against Clare, most people were bigging up Clare.
I don't know about Galway, I think Derry could win but I wouldn't bet on it.
I was in Cusack Lower in 2001 as a 9 year old, that was a difficult defeat to watch but this team is better than 2001. If they get to the final they are the joint 2nd best Derry team.
The 98-01 Derry team was very good
is 5.30 a bit late of a start time
Tickets for the semi-finals on sale now.
General release.
Have the GAA scrapped the going through the county board system now?
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 12:58:14 PM
Tickets for the semi-finals on sale now.
General release.
Have the GAA scrapped the going through the county board system now?
Mad rush earlier
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
League results were an excellent predictor for Tyrone this year.
Derry were in pole position in D2 with 2 rounds left.
Galway! Our bogey team! Again!
Ah well, I'm sure our lads will be well prepared and hope we wont make mistakes along the line like we did the last 2 semis against them that contributed to those defeats, but I'm not too confident about this one. Conceding the 4 goals against them last time out must be a major worry coming in to this game. Galway have a style of football that isn't in the slightest bit fazed by our 'blanket'.
Really looking forward to it though, m'sure it will a corker of a game, Galway supporters always sound people so there will be a great atmosphere at it.
I fancied Derry to beat whoever came out of Galway-Armagh regardless, but the mindset from Galway to be able to refocus after throwing it away in injury time and to come through the way they did in extra time and then penalties... can't put a price on how much that will be worth to the panel. I think this should be a cracker of a game between two sides that are on the up and believe they can go all the way this year.
I think Galway have better forwards overall so it will be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up. If Finnerty carries his form into the semi-final that will be a huge plus for Galway.
I think both keepers are weak enough so it could be a mistake that decides it.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
League results were an excellent predictor for Tyrone this year.
Derry were in pole position in D2 with 2 rounds left.
League results were not an excellent predictor for Dublin this year
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
League results were an excellent predictor for Tyrone this year.
Derry were in pole position in D2 with 2 rounds left.
League results were not an excellent predictor for Dublin this year
The standard in Leinster is atrocious. It means the stats have too much noise.
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2022, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
No one should be paying any attention to the league results.
Derry are rightly favourites for this game.
League results were an excellent predictor for Tyrone this year.
Derry were in pole position in D2 with 2 rounds left.
League results were not an excellent predictor for Dublin this year
Or Tyrone and Kerry last year...
See that rabble Ticketmaster at it again... not a ticket available between the two 13m lines!!
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
See that rabble Ticketmaster at it again... not a ticket available between the two 13m lines!!
Who gets the tickets in the middle sections?
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
See that rabble Ticketmaster at it again... not a ticket available between the two 13m lines!!
Who gets the tickets in the middle sections?
Seems like they release them in stages I imagine the middle sections will come online over the next week or so.
Same happened for the match at the weekend one of the lads booked a ticket on Thursday past for the lower Hogan slap bang in the middle of the field!
Reserved for Season ticket holders, the 4 County Boards?
Then returns are given to ticketmaster?
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2022, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 27, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
See that rabble Ticketmaster at it again... not a ticket available between the two 13m lines!!
Who gets the tickets in the middle sections?
Seems like they release them in stages I imagine the middle sections will come online over the next week or so.
Same happened for the match at the weekend one of the lads booked a ticket on Thursday past for the lower Hogan slap bang in the middle of the field!
Dear GAA,
Please contact screenexile directly to arrange his/her/they/them handpicked choice of tickets in advance of AISF 9th July 2022 at Croke Park. Or else.
Regards
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
Reserved for Season ticket holders, the 4 County Boards?
Then returns are given to ticketmaster?
I'd say that the number of season ticket holders for Galway or Derry is modest enough.
Juvenile tickets should be available in the Hogan too. Only reason they aren't seems to be for more money for adult tickets. This means that people with children who want to get their tickets early are left stuck in the corners of the field, was very evident in our game vs Clare.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
Reserved for Season ticket holders, the 4 County Boards?
Then returns are given to ticketmaster?
I'd say that the number of season ticket holders for Galway or Derry is modest enough.
You really went out on a limb with that
Will Derry sell any season tickets next year? Or will it be back to playing in front of 500 at Owenbeg or complaining that Celtic park is too far to drive? Suppose it depends how the next two games go
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
Will Derry sell any season tickets next year? Or will it be back to playing in front of 500 at Owenbeg or complaining that Celtic park is too far to drive? Suppose it depends how the next two games go
Thanks for the vote of confidence, very magnanimous of you
Derry 32 STH, was one for a right while but in recent seasons it was not value for money as Div 4/3 were about e10 then e12, in lower divisions. Now season ticket holder has no real savi g value. Holding off on ticket, to later in the week myself
I like it when they played around the clubs a few yrs bck but now they stick nearly solely to Owenbeg given the rise of the pitch, Celtic Park be tight on it.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 27, 2022, 03:37:53 PM
Juvenile tickets should be available in the Hogan too. Only reason they aren't seems to be for more money for adult tickets. This means that people with children who want to get their tickets early are left stuck in the corners of the field, was very evident in our game vs Clare.
Yep
I tried booking earlier and after getting kicked out twice and then getting as far as paying before being kicked out, I eventually got 1 adult and 5 juvenile tickets ....for top deck of Davin in the corner.
Out of interest,. I searched for 6 adult tickets. Center of Cusack no issue.
So basically if you want to take your kids you get rubbish seats.
I think Gallagher played a great tactical card against Clare.
He went all out attack and didn't deploy the blanket in like he had in Ulster.
If I was Galway now, I'd have to prepare for Derry playing different styles. Which makes it more difficult for them.
Also putting Rogers in MF will make Galway think.
Realistically we could have mckinless, Rogers or Bradley partnering glass. Different options mean Derry will set up differently.
That's a dilemma for Galway.
I am nervous about this game, historically we never do well against them.
Galway have serious forwards. Strong in MF.
And solid defensively.
We're very strong defensively, and are strong up the middle but probably don't have the same amount of scoring forwards.
It's set up to be a great game.
Rodgers will be Midfield, let's Glass go forward giving Derry good mobility and height in Midfield. McKeigue pick up Walsh, who picks up Comer, I would went with McGrogan but his lad scored 1:03 of him yesterday. The form of Toner and Loughlin worrying. Given the Galway keeper horror show Bradley at full forward could pop up but unlikey. Is Tohill simply not up to it? I thought when Glass went off giving him 10+ mins at Midfield when well ahead, c if he anything to offer.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 27, 2022, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 27, 2022, 03:37:53 PM
Juvenile tickets should be available in the Hogan too. Only reason they aren't seems to be for more money for adult tickets. This means that people with children who want to get their tickets early are left stuck in the corners of the field, was very evident in our game vs Clare.
Yep
I tried booking earlier and after getting kicked out twice and then getting as far as paying before being kicked out, I eventually got 1 adult and 5 juvenile tickets ....for top deck of Davin in the corner.
Out of interest,. I searched for 6 adult tickets. Center of Cusack no issue.
So basically if you want to take your kids you get rubbish seats.
If you want cheap seats then you do not get good ones. Seems reasonable
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Oldest trick in the book!
Let me know if they do. It would be handy if and when the fabled middle seats go on sale.
Round 6 of D2 in the League. Derry vs Galway
Derry hadn't conceded a goal in the first 5 rounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hudyNOCOt5E
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Oldest trick in the book!
Let me know if they do. It would be handy if and when the fabled middle seats go on sale.
I got 3 adult 3 kids in the middle about 5 past 12 today.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 27, 2022, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Oldest trick in the book!
Let me know if they do. It would be handy if and when the fabled middle seats go on sale.
I got 3 adult 3 kids in the middle about 5 past 12 today.
I've decent tickets as well but I was making a joke about the chat in this and other threads. I hear it's a conspiracy.
Anthony Moyles @ 57:56 on Derry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Hv90YXsb8
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 27, 2022, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Oldest trick in the book!
Let me know if they do. It would be handy if and when the fabled middle seats go on sale.
I got 3 adult 3 kids in the middle about 5 past 12 today.
I've decent tickets as well but I was making a joke about the chat in this and other threads. I hear it's a conspiracy.
The fix is in lads I fuckin told youns!!!!
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/06/28/news/derry-fans-face-wait-over-semi-final-ticket-options-2756945/
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2022, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 27, 2022, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on June 27, 2022, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
When I first got on around 12.15 the Cusack seats wouldn't come up for me so I panicked and bought seats around 40 rows back in Davin. Later in the day I emailed them and asked if you can swap seats, they said you can make a new order and they can refund the first. I ended up getting Cusack seats, hopefully they do refund the first order like they said they would. They never responded to me again but I assume they don't reply after 5pm.
Oldest trick in the book!
Let me know if they do. It would be handy if and when the fabled middle seats go on sale.
I got 3 adult 3 kids in the middle about 5 past 12 today.
I've decent tickets as well but I was making a joke about the chat in this and other threads. I hear it's a conspiracy.
The fix is in lads I fuckin told youns!!!!
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/06/28/news/derry-fans-face-wait-over-semi-final-ticket-options-2756945/
Another West Brit conspiracy
Will Galway change keeper for next day? Is the lad that got injured in league final still not available?
Quote from: TheMistro on June 28, 2022, 10:27:36 AM
Will Galway change keeper for next day? Is the lad that got injured in league final still not available?
Conor Flaherty wasn't on the bench the last day so must not be fit yet.
I honestly can't see them changing keepers now at this stage.
The guy James Keane that was on the bench the last day has certainly never played championship before - I don't remember him playing in the league in the past either but could be wrong there.
So it's very unlikely.
Anthony Moyles at 1:16:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Hv90YXsb8
"Derry haven't come up against a team with decent forwards "
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Throw in Darren McCurry, Conor McKenna, Darragh Canavan, Cathal McShane....all no good :o
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Not 6 decent forwards
They can shut down 2 no problem and have the half backs roaming forward.
It's an interesting match.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Not 6 decent forwards
They can shut down 2 no problem and have the half backs roaming forward.
It's an interesting match.
Defend together, attack together. This doesn't really happen. McKaigue man marks yes but still gets on the ball, probably our least impactful runner at this stage too so will see that least out of him. All our backs will roam forward regardless of who they're marking though.
In saying that you've fine forwards and in better form than the other counties we've faced. As I said i'd genuinely have you favorites for the game. You'll just get scores that bit easier I think.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 28, 2022, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Not 6 decent forwards
They can shut down 2 no problem and have the half backs roaming forward.
It's an interesting match.
Defend together, attack together. This doesn't really happen. McKaigue man marks yes but still gets on the ball, probably our least impactful runner at this stage too so will see that least out of him. All our backs will roam forward regardless of who they're marking though.
In saying that you've fine forwards and in better form than the other counties we've faced. As I said i'd genuinely have you favorites for the game. You'll just get scores that bit easier I think.
It should be a great match
Galway better forwards than Derry.
Derry better defence than Galway.
MF probably equal.
Has the makings of a brilliant game. I hope we can nick it.
I would expect that after all the furore around the row with Armagh there will be suspensions and really that's a lottery around who and how long. So Galway could suffer for that, but time will tell.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
I know, Murphy, McBearty, Brennan and Langan are no good, tuh tuh. Or Mohan, McManus, McCarron either
Not 6 decent forwards
They can shut down 2 no problem and have the half backs roaming forward.
It's an interesting match.
They've played against better forwards already this year so I don't think they will fear Galway in that sense. Be interesting as it could be argued both teams are playing above their perceived levels from the start of the year. So will the fear of the bubble bursting for either team have an impact. I think it's less likely to happen for Derry as they seem to have a more imbedded system imo. Unfortunately. 😳
Is the upper davin (section 721) too high to get any sort of good view of the game?
Quote from: Ancharraig123 on June 28, 2022, 12:33:40 PM
Is the upper davin (section 721) too high to get any sort of good view of the game?
Depends what row you are in. If in the lower rows (they start with a) you'll have a good view.
Row M could be pushing it then. I seen an online photo and it looked okay but hard to tell
Quote from: Ancharraig123 on June 28, 2022, 12:33:40 PM
Is the upper davin (section 721) too high to get any sort of good view of the game?
There's no bad seat in the upper decks. I always sit there if I have the choice.
Quote from: Ancharraig123 on June 28, 2022, 12:33:40 PM
Is the upper davin (section 721) too high to get any sort of good view of the game?
The upper deck is a different experience to the lower deck, it gives you a great sense of the movement of the players in comparison but not as much of an up close view of the nitty gritty of the game, So it depends on your preferences.
Quote from: Ancharraig123 on June 28, 2022, 12:51:59 PM
Row M could be pushing it then. I seen an online photo and it looked okay but hard to tell
You'll still have a good view and see everything that's happening. It can be just hard to pick out individual players down at hill end. There seems to be central upper cusack tickets available online.
Upper Davin, especially slighter closer to the corners rather than the middle, is a lot better view than people realise. They're the least sought after seating tickets but are much better than lower Davin and better than say the upper cusack/Hogan on the 13 yard line.
Closer to the front is better but I sat in Row U for the 2012 hurling final (yes even with hurling it can be grand!) and much preferred it to center lower Cusack 4 rows from the front in the replay. Can't get a view of what's going on with no elevation
Quote from: Manning18 on June 28, 2022, 01:32:45 PM
Upper Davin, especially slighter closer to the corners rather than the middle, is a lot better view than people realise. They're the least sought after seating tickets but are much better than lower Davin and better than say the upper cusack/Hogan on the 13 yard line.
Closer to the front is better but I sat in Row U for the 2012 hurling final (yes even with hurling it can be grand!) and much preferred it to center lower Cusack 4 rows from the front in the replay. Can't get a view of what's going on with no elevation
Watched the AI final from the upper Davin towards the Hogan, saw the Tyrone goals in 2nd half no bother may have been cheering both of the goals before the ball crossed the line and crackin view of the missed penalty.
Commentators always pick the corners( with some elevation) to watch matches?
Upper Davin just where it starts to turn at the corner is a good spot, if you are not too far back.
The fecking seagulls are a pain though recently.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2022, 02:29:23 PM
Upper Davin just where it starts to turn at the corner is a good spot, if you are not too far back.
The fecking seagulls are a pain though recently.
Got tickets once for the AI hurling semi-final, Cork vrs Waterford for that corner where the Davin and Hogan meet, upper tier and initially thought it would be a písh view but really good in reality..
Would go back again to there but i do think sitting charging the same for sitting behind the goals and the middle of the Hogan is a bit of a con.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2022, 02:29:23 PM
Upper Davin just where it starts to turn at the corner is a good spot, if you are not too far back.
The fecking seagulls are a pain though recently.
Bring a slingshot next time😀
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Just got sent this. Get me out of the country.
Quote from: shantygael on June 28, 2022, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2022, 02:29:23 PM
Upper Davin just where it starts to turn at the corner is a good spot, if you are not too far back.
The fecking seagulls are a pain though recently.
Bring a slingshot next time😀
You'd clatter the people on the level below.
I was going to bring a couple of Eagles, but they had to go to the Aviva.
In fairness the Benny Heron stuff is cracking me up some of it's very funny!!!
Benny's cringeing at it I'm sure as he's a modest fella but it's all part of the craic and the buzz about at the minute, it's brilliant.
Derry are in an all-Ireland semi-final and that is something I didn't thank would happen this year ....
Galway have 3 outstanding lightening quick forwards that will be very hard to contain and Derry have maximised their performances by their ability to play a system that isn't easy to break down whether in defensive or offensive mode. Galway's Championship record over Derry is 100% ... how can Derry get the edge over them this time ... by sticking to their plan that beat Donegal with a few additional raids early in the game and try and prevent Galway getting any goals before half-time.
I hope Derry win the whole thing... I think.
The only team that'll beat Derry this year is an on-song Dubs.
A look back at a few previous encounters
1998 – All-Ireland Semi-Final
Slow painful death is never easy and, having to watch it is never pleasant. Watching the great Derry team of the Nineties in the final throes of its football life yesterday certainly was not a pretty sight unless you were a Galway person.
They had selected a better team from the panel available to them than Derry did. Galway were much fitter and had the tactics to utilise that fitness. And above all, Galway had flair and imagination, two qualities which were never once seen as part of Derry's contribution to this All-Ireland semi-final.
Derry were a team of old men in football terms, playing old men's football and it was ghastly sight to watch.
It was pathetic to see some magnificent Derry players such as Anthony Tohill, Henry Downey and Eamon Burns engaging in repeated bouts of short handpassing in the middle third of the field in a desperate attempt at holding possession. When great players are reduced to this sort of farcical play, it is time to question the whole rationale of Gaelic football as it is being played today.
No doubt the Derry followers will also question the management of the team that encouraged this sort of negative play as opposed to the attacking, all-action play that used to be a feature of this Derry team. Maybe it a case of tired bodies going through the motions.
Yesterday, for them, raggedness and an exit draped in the cloak of under-achievement.
Another year, another title trail turned cold.
Derry: Eoin McCloskey; Kieran McKeever (capt.), Sean Martin Lockhart, Emmet McKeever; Paul McFlynn (0-1), Henry Downey, Gary Coleman (1-1); Anthony Tohill, Enda Muldoon; Gary Magill, Dermot Dougan, Eamonn Burns (0-3, two frees); Joe Brolly, Seamus Downey, Enda Gormley (0-2, both frees).
Subs: Joe Cassidy (0-1) for Brolly (42 mins), Dermot Heaney for Magill (44 mins), Geoffrey McGonigle for Dougan (64 mins).
Galway: Martin McNamara; Tomas Meehan, Gary Fahy, Tomas Mannion; Ray Silke (capt.), John Divilly, Sean Og de Paor; Kevin Walsh, Sean O'Domhnaill (0-1); Michael Donnellan (0-2, both frees), Jarlath Fallon (0-4), Fergal Gavin; Derek Savage, Padraic Joyce (0-8, five frees), Niall Finnegan (0-1).
Sub: Shay Walsh for Gavin (51 mins). Referee: John Bannon (Longford). Attendance: 38,569.
speaking of previous encounters .. i hope Conor Lane is given the opportunity to repeat his 2015 display
2001 All-Ireland Semi-Final
Galway 1-14 Derry 1-11
A remarkable goal from second half substitute Matthew Clancy four minutes from time capped off a tenacious Galway comeback to deny Derry an All-Ireland final spot after an enthralling semi-final encounter at Croke Park this afternoon.
Galway reached crisis point midway through the second period when Anthony Tohill's free - his only score - propelled Derry into a commanding five point lead. However, Galway replied in remarkable fashion, rattling Derry to the core in the process.
Derry, who dominated the game throughout, had simply self-destructed and had little retaliation to Galway's dogged final quarter recovery.
Galway: P Joyce 0-5 (5f), D Savage 0-3, M Clancy 1-0, J Bergin 0-2, M Donnellan, K Walsh, S Óg de Paor, P Clancy 0-1 each.
GALWAY A Keane; K Fitzgerald, G Fahey, R Fahey; D Meehan, T Mannion, S Óg de Paor; K Walsh, M Donnellan; J Bergin, J Fallon, A Kerins, D Savage, P Joyce, T Joyce.
Subs: P Clancy for Fallon (42), M Clancy for Bergin (52), S O Domhnaill for Kerins (56). Booked: Galway: D Meehan (34); J Fallon (41).
DERRY E Muldoon 1-0, D Dougan 0-3, P Bradley, J McBride 0-2 each, G Diamond, P McFlynn, D Heaney, A Tohill (f) 0-1 each.
DERRY O McCloskey; G Doherty, K McCloy, SM Lockhart; K McNally, G Coleman, F Crossan; A Tohill, F Doherty; P McFlynn, D Dougan, J McBride; P Bradley, E Muldoon, G Diamond.
Subs: J Niblock for Crossan (32), D Heaney for Diamond (48), C Gilligan for McNally (62), A McGuckian for F Doherty (69)
REF M Collins (Cork)
Attendance 40,060
2007 All-Ireland Minor Final
Galway 1-10 Derry 1-9
GALWAY: O Higgins; E Glynn (0-1), C Forde, K Kelly; C Doherty, D O'Reilly, T Fahy; P Conroy (0-1, 0-1f), A Griffin; JJ Greaney, T Walsh, J O'Brien (0-1); J Ryan, M Martyn (0-5, 0-3f), D Reddington (1-2).
Subs used: J Burke for Ryan (51 mins), O O'Brien for Greaney (59).
DERRY: A Warnock; M McKinney, C McWilliams, D Bell; C McKaigue, JF Bradley, B Henry; J Kielt (0-2, 0-1f), C O'Boyle; S Cleary (0-2), A Heron, D Mullan; N Forrester, G McGeehan (1-1), L Moore (0-3).
Subs used: D Heavron for Forrester (52 mins), C McFeely for Cleary (53), C McFeely (0-1) for Cleary (53), L Kennedy for Heron (59).
Referee: Derek Fahy (Longford)
Quote from: Estimator on June 29, 2022, 11:57:21 AM
2001 All-Ireland Semi-Final
Galway 1-14 Derry 1-11
A remarkable goal from second half substitute Matthew Clancy four minutes from time capped off a tenacious Galway comeback to deny Derry an All-Ireland final spot after an enthralling semi-final encounter at Croke Park this afternoon.
Galway reached crisis point midway through the second period when Anthony Tohill's free - his only score - propelled Derry into a commanding five point lead. However, Galway replied in remarkable fashion, rattling Derry to the core in the process.
Derry, who dominated the game throughout, had simply self-destructed and had little retaliation to Galway's dogged final quarter recovery.
Galway: P Joyce 0-5 (5f), D Savage 0-3, M Clancy 1-0, J Bergin 0-2, M Donnellan, K Walsh, S Óg de Paor, P Clancy 0-1 each.
GALWAY A Keane; K Fitzgerald, G Fahey, R Fahey; D Meehan, T Mannion, S Óg de Paor; K Walsh, M Donnellan; J Bergin, J Fallon, A Kerins, D Savage, P Joyce, T Joyce.
Subs: P Clancy for Fallon (42), M Clancy for Bergin (52), S O Domhnaill for Kerins (56). Booked: Galway: D Meehan (34); J Fallon (41).
DERRY E Muldoon 1-0, D Dougan 0-3, P Bradley, J McBride 0-2 each, G Diamond, P McFlynn, D Heaney, A Tohill (f) 0-1 each.
DERRY O McCloskey; G Doherty, K McCloy, SM Lockhart; K McNally, G Coleman, F Crossan; A Tohill, F Doherty; P McFlynn, D Dougan, J McBride; P Bradley, E Muldoon, G Diamond.
Subs: J Niblock for Crossan (32), D Heaney for Diamond (48), C Gilligan for McNally (62), A McGuckian for F Doherty (69)
REF M Collins (Cork)
Attendance 40,060
Lockhart was some player
38k and 40k at the two previous semi finals. Can we expect a similar attendance next Saturday?
Anyone get any decent Hogan or Cusack tickets yet in the lower tier i logged on now and there isn't 1 ticket available in either lower tier stand?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2022, 06:24:14 PM
38k and 40k at the two previous semi finals. Can we expect a similar attendance next Saturday?
I'm guessing 60+
Derry support had waned badly after the highs of '93, be a good 30k from Derry. 12k from tailteann and Galway and neutrals will make up 18 you'd think - maybe more as the hurlers lack of prospects could see people hold off for the football the following week.
Jesus that game in 98 brings back bad memories ,2001 Ciaran McNally going off injured was a huge blow we never recovered from , 2007 minors from memory we were leading near the end and had a scorable free overturned for a hop ball which i think Galway won and scored their goal from ( memory could be playing tricks on me though )
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on June 30, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Jesus that game in 98 brings back bad memories ,2001 Ciaran McNally going off injured was a huge blow we never recovered from , 2007 minors from memory we were leading near the end and had a scorable free overturned for a hop ball which i think Galway won and scored their goal from ( memory could be playing tricks on me though )
The minor memories ties in with my memory too - certainly I've always remembered it as a Galway goal with virtually the last kick to win it.
Conroy and McKaigue both survivors of that game!
I was at the 2001 semi and Derry really blew it that day. Eamon Coleman said in his interview after the game that Derry would never have a better chance of getting to an All-Ireland Final.
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on June 30, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Jesus that game in 98 brings back bad memories ,2001 Ciaran McNally going off injured was a huge blow we never recovered from , 2007 minors from memory we were leading near the end and had a scorable free overturned for a hop ball which i think Galway won and scored their goal from ( memory could be playing tricks on me though )
The minor memories ties in with my memory too - certainly I've always remembered it as a Galway goal with virtually the last kick to win it.
Conroy and McKaigue both survivors of that game!
McKaigue will not have happy memories of that hop ball - if i'm right it was awarded against him for goading after the initial free was won.
Lot of 'outrage' at the time around Caffreys' Dublin doing it it and McKaigue was picked up for it.
Never seen him do it since so prehaps there is a lesson there for those wanting to cut out unsavoury elements of the game.
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
Derry lost that 2001 game as they took Tohill off, as he was injured that day, even though he played, and was quite enough. Missed his leadership that last 10mins as Fergal Doherty was only 19, playing Midfield that day.
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
I always thought that about Galway too. They can be absolutely class.
That 98-01 team had some fine footballers...though Joyce always particularly annoyed me as he could steal 10 yards on every free he kicked but never got pulled on it. Or maybe that's sour grapes :)
They were a good team to watch.
In saying all of that, I always felt Derry left both those AI's behind them.
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
Galway hadn't a chance against Armagh and now haven't a chance against Derry, long may that narrative continue.
We are a flawed team at the moment, but I saw lads in maroon last Sunday putting in performances and showing the type of guts that haven't been seen in years from the footballers, the heads should have been gone after the goals, instead they came back for more. I have no criticism of the effort and application.
Just like I would have said before the Armagh match if they show up with a performance against Derry and it's not good enough then there will be no complaints from the supporters.
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
Unfortunately you're correct about that seaf. And this Galway team, if they can sort out the high ball into the full back line could win an All-Ireland in a year or two. :-X
AnFhaircheAbu thst's more than likely because Armagh had built up momentum going into the game after beating Tyrone and Donegal - meanwhile Galway had the four week layoff. That's all I was basing it on. I think Galway are in a great position to get to the final this year.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
I always thought that about Galway too. They can be absolutely class.
That 98-01 team had some fine footballers...though Joyce always particularly annoyed me as he could steal 10 yards on every free he kicked but never got pulled on it. Or maybe that's sour grapes :)
They were a good team to watch.
In saying all of that, I always felt Derry left both those AI's behind them.
No complaints in 98 at all, we had a horror show that day
2001 is the worst ive ever felt leaving a match, blew an all ireland that day.
The joyce yard stealing thing was very evident that day, Michael Collins wasnt interested. Full back (fahey?) was all over muldoon every time a high ball came in and got away with it every time.
I remember a couple of things about that game, all small things but helped turn the tide, McNally going off injured and paul mcflynn going to half back. Half forward line lost all shape.
Seem to remember Johnny niblock took a free too short and galway got a point out of it. Then Gilligan dropped one short and they went up the field for Matthew clancys goal.
Derek savage gave sean marty a very tough afternoon
Jesus that game still haunts me
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
Galway hadn't a chance against Armagh and now haven't a chance against Derry, long may that narrative continue.
We are a flawed team at the moment, but I saw lads in maroon last Sunday putting in performances and showing the type of guts that haven't been seen in years from the footballers, the heads should have been gone after the goals, instead they came back for more. I have no criticism of the effort and application.
Just like I would have said before the Armagh match if they show up with a performance against Derry and it's not good enough then there will be no complaints from the supporters.
No idea where you got that from.
Agree though Galway showed serious serious guts to come back after we went 2 up in extra time, as did we when we were 6 down or whatever it was with 14 men. Honestly thought looking at some of your lads after Rians free they were totally deflated, maybe the row helped your boys abit who knows.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
Nearly all the pundits I've heard so far have tipped Derry and their slight favourites with the bookies.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2022, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
Nearly all the pundits I've heard so far have tipped Derry and their slight favourites with the bookies.
Hardly makes them raging favourites. I don't think I could call it either way I keep changing my mind.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
All the years watching Derry I think we beat Galway only once about 12yrs ago at the Glen. That long ago, all I remember is Enda Muldoon playing
Quote from: Dabh on June 30, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on June 30, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Jesus that game in 98 brings back bad memories ,2001 Ciaran McNally going off injured was a huge blow we never recovered from , 2007 minors from memory we were leading near the end and had a scorable free overturned for a hop ball which i think Galway won and scored their goal from ( memory could be playing tricks on me though )
The minor memories ties in with my memory too - certainly I've always remembered it as a Galway goal with virtually the last kick to win it.
Conroy and McKaigue both survivors of that game!
McKaigue will not have happy memories of that hop ball - if i'm right it was awarded against him for goading after the initial free was won.
Lot of 'outrage' at the time around Caffreys' Dublin doing it it and McKaigue was picked up for it.
Never seen him do it since so prehaps there is a lesson there for those wanting to cut out unsavoury elements of the game.
Yep that's my recollection too for why the hop ball was given
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
The only clear memory I have from that minor final really is jumping up and down in the kitchen when Damien Reddington scored the goal. We hadn't looked likely winners for most of the game I think.
Think the goal was 57th minute? So there was a few mins left.
I seem to remember a legitimate point being waved wide incorrectly in that game as well but my memory is sketchy on it.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 12:29:07 PM
Galway hadn't a chance against Armagh and now haven't a chance against Derry, long may that narrative continue.
Who said that Galway hadn't a chance? Not people in Armagh anyhow. Bookies had Armagh at a marginal advantage, but there was no talk of not having a chance.
Galway have a similar chance as Derry if they do not have several players suspended.
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
Def no clear favourites in this game.
It's 50/50 and to be honest, I'm probably more worried about this game than any of the others we've had this year.
We have always struggled against Galway, I don't honestly remember the last time we beat them.
The league game will be irrelevant as we were missing some personnel and we were not playing the same type of system.
But, Galway have had a much more useful QF that Derry have. That can only help them and instill some serious belief within the players.
Derry will need to be fully focused for the full 70+ minutes to be in with a chance and to not give away any soft goals like against Clare.
After the first half of Galway v Armagh I thought Derry would not have much to worry about. But by the final whistle I'd changed my mind. Either team would be serious challenge.
Both teams are in similar positions, no-one expected us to get this far so it's all bonus territory. Both teams in with a chance and an AIF and both will want to take advantage.
It's exciting stuff and I'm looking forward to it big time!
Some really exciting match ups. Mckaigue v Comer/Walsh, Glass v Conroy, McGuigan v Kelly....great battles all over the field.
It could be some of the lesser known lights who win the game.
I saw the literal words from a poster here prior to the Armagh game that Galway had "no chance", I guess I was so surprised at that, against what I would have thought was an evenly enough matched game (I couldn't have called it) that I kept a closer eye than usual on previews and podcasts to see who they were tipping, when pressed they nearly all went for Armagh.
I'm seeing the same pattern emerge again, SG crew all went for Derry, and any podcast or article that has already referenced the semi match ups is going for Derry. I've yet to hear of any ex player calling the match for Galway but entirely possible that I've missed it.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 02:16:06 PM
I saw the literal words from a poster here prior to the Armagh game that Galway had "no chance", I guess I was so surprised at that, against what I would have thought was an evenly enough matched game (I couldn't have called it) that I kept a closer eye than usual on previews and podcasts to see who they were tipping, when pressed they nearly all went for Armagh.
I'm seeing the same pattern emerge again, SG crew all went for Derry, and any podcast or article that has already referenced the semi match ups is going for Derry. I've yet to hear of any ex player calling the match for Galway but entirely possible that I've missed it.
Listened to RTE GAA pod and they went for Galway, "Big time" O'Rourke said. I can't see us blowing Galway away but I could see them beating us handy enough.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2022, 02:16:06 PM
I saw the literal words from a poster here prior to the Armagh game that Galway had "no chance", I guess I was so surprised at that, against what I would have thought was an evenly enough matched game (I couldn't have called it) that I kept a closer eye than usual on previews and podcasts to see who they were tipping, when pressed they nearly all went for Armagh.
I'm seeing the same pattern emerge again, SG crew all went for Derry, and any podcast or article that has already referenced the semi match ups is going for Derry. I've yet to hear of any ex player calling the match for Galway but entirely possible that I've missed it.
Either winding or clueless. Derry maybe, maybe slight favourites but not for me.
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
The only thing about the League game was this
RTE
"Galway were able to press the Derry kick-out in numbers, forcing turnovers and sowing doubt in the home defence."
The result was a load of goals.
Derry have had it their own way so far in the championship.
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Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Kildare and Meath both beat Kerry and had a wall of money on them. Roscommon has the Hyde. Kildare and Meath had the hype.
The 2001 result shocked a lot of people. Meath were destroyed. That was the end of both teams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhlNKcyNCI
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
The only thing about the League game was this
RTE
"Galway were able to press the Derry kick-out in numbers, forcing turnovers and sowing doubt in the home defence."
The result was a load of goals.
Derry have had it their own way so far in the championship.
Eh? We literally came from 2 points back with 10 mins to beat Donegal extra time... how would that be 'having it our own way'?
Along with that we had a shaky start to the second half against Monaghan as well where it looked like they might come roaring back only for us to get a goal at a good time.
There seems to be this narrative that Derry aren't battle hardened or something when that isn't the case.
The game is definitely a toss up for me and I think the league game will bear no resemblance to this one!
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
The only thing about the League game was this
RTE
"Galway were able to press the Derry kick-out in numbers, forcing turnovers and sowing doubt in the home defence."
The result was a load of goals.
Derry have had it their own way so far in the championship.
Yeah, you just forgot to add Derry played into a gale force breeze that you had to be there to believe...Galway are favourites, they have came through the other side of a tough battle with Armagh and their record against Derry in championship football is 100%.
Will we hear the results of the CCCC today?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Who saying Derry raging favourites? Nobody on here. Would had Galway favourites on past meetings alone
He's trying to build a siege mentality. Betting on the game is essentially 50/50, which given galway are the only team to beat Derry this year (and by 11pts at home) represents brilliant value on Galway.
The Galway team of 98 - 01 played 4 all Ireland finals and after 98 weren't undervalued by anyone. They were favourites against Meath in 01 too and clear favs against Derry that day.
Might have been favourites against Derry but certainly weren't against Meath
Definitely were not favs against Meath.
This semi final is so hard to call.
The league game is irrelevant imo.
Derry are massively improved over the summer. Would like to think we have improved also.
Maybe I'm wrong but Derry seem to have a more defensive system in place now?
Hungover head on me that day in Owenbeg so maybe I'm mis-remembering but I can't recall Derry setting up overly defensive in the first half when it was still a contest.
The only thing about the League game was this
RTE
"Galway were able to press the Derry kick-out in numbers, forcing turnovers and sowing doubt in the home defence."
The result was a load of goals.
Derry have had it their own way so far in the championship.
Yeah, you just forgot to add Derry played into a gale force breeze that you had to be there to believe...Galway are favourites, they have came through the other side of a tough battle with Armagh and their record against Derry in championship football is 100%.
Will we hear the results of the CCCC today?
Hopefully Derry get to play a full strength Galway team
Be surprised if they don't.Kelly has to be clear. Not sure who else they would cite for the whole thing bar the sub who smacked the boy who did the eye gouging.
45,000 tickets sold already which has surprised me.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2022, 03:57:08 PM
45,000 tickets sold already which has surprised me.
Going by the stadium view on Ticketmaster it looks like even more than 45k. Only looks like a few rows available in the back of the upper stands atm although with the way extra tickets keep being released its hard to know
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45,000 tickets sold already which has surprised me.
Cavan and Westies might be taking a few
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45,000 tickets sold already which has surprised me.
Cavan and Westies might be taking a few
A few more maroon flags.
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45,000 tickets sold already which has surprised me.
Cavan and Westies might be taking a few
The Tailteann Cup has done very well compared to expectations
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One aspect I remember about the 98-01 Galway team (who beat Derry twice) is that they were consistently underrated.
All Kildare had to do was turn up. Meath beat Kerry so they were unbackable. This was all groupthink.
A lot of people think Connacht football is all the same and follows the Mayo template. This is wrong.
Tyrone never won back to back but Roscommon did. No team in Ulster ever won 3 in a row. Galway did.
Galway footballers have 2 modes. Ridiculous and sublime. They know how to win in the latter mode. They are better than the hurlers.
It's the culture.
I always thought that about Galway too. They can be absolutely class.
That 98-01 team had some fine footballers...though Joyce always particularly annoyed me as he could steal 10 yards on every free he kicked but never got pulled on it. Or maybe that's sour grapes :)
They were a good team to watch.
In saying all of that, I always felt Derry left both those AI's behind them.
The margins are often very small
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/feargal-logan-and-brian-dooher-bask-in-the-glow-of-all-ireland-success-1.4671709
The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
Confirmed that Sean Kelly has been cleared to play in the AISF.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 01, 2022, 09:49:15 PM
Confirmed that Sean Kelly has been cleared to play in the AISF.
Rightly so
Derry bunting and flags vanishing from posts overnight around Magherafelt and Castledawson. We all know where they will end up. Some southerners have no concept of what we have to go through here to support our county.
Anyone know when more tickets will be released on ticketmaster?
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 04, 2022, 08:22:57 AM
Anyone know when more tickets will be released on ticketmaster?
There will be this week. Club ticket and season tickets not taken up along with others with the counties will be released. I didn't take up my season ticket location (tears, as it was on the centre line) as I wanted to be with the rest of my family. I'm sure by mid-week there will be more out
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Anyone know when more tickets will be released on ticketmaster?
There will be this week. Club ticket and season tickets not taken up along with others with the counties will be released. I didn't take up my season ticket location (tears, as it was on the centre line) as I wanted to be with the rest of my family. I'm sure by mid-week there will be more out
Hopefully i didn't purchase yet as would prefer not to be up in the clouds or stuck in a corner!
That was my reasoning too, but now I would pay for a seat in the croke park toilet just to be there
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:45:53 PM
Derry bunting and flags vanishing from posts overnight around Magherafelt and Castledawson. We all know where they will end up. Some southerners have no concept of what we have to go through here to support our county.
That doesn't surprise me one bit. And if you put them up again, they'd disappear again.
Quote from: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Tickets available in every block of the lower cusack at the moment.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Tickets available in every block of the lower cusack at the moment.
I see that. They're releasing those 2 front row seats, which aren't a great view. Seats further up will likely be out later in the week
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Tickets available in every block of the lower cusack at the moment.
I see that. They're releasing those 2 front row seats, which aren't a great view. Seats further up will likely be out later in the week
Good Hogan ones out now.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Tickets available in every block of the lower cusack at the moment.
I see that. They're releasing those 2 front row seats, which aren't a great view. Seats further up will likely be out later in the week
Good Hogan ones out now.
Hogan tickets are too dear for families - alright for a couple of adults.
Brendan Cawley down to referee the game on Sunday.
Wouldn't know too much about him as a ref, just that he did the Armagh Donegal game last month.
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Quote from: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
There definitely will be some as I know others in the same boat who bought early and didn't take up with season ticket or clubs, but do keep a close eye online, and to socials to see when it'll be. This will close to sell out at this rate
Tickets available in every block of the lower cusack at the moment.
I see that. They're releasing those 2 front row seats, which aren't a great view. Seats further up will likely be out later in the week
Good Hogan ones out now.
As suspected better seats were held back! You can even pick your exact seats now but couldn't at start
Anyone know if you can refund tickets already purchased? Would be tempted to buy better tickets and try to get a refund if there was an option. Haven't been able to find anything to say yes or no on ticketmaster.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 04, 2022, 04:11:16 PM
Anyone know if you can refund tickets already purchased? Would be tempted to buy better tickets and try to get a refund if there was an option. Haven't been able to find anything to say yes or no on ticketmaster.
From the Racketmaster FAQs tbrick:
Can I have a refund or exchange?
We can't offer any exchanges or refunds if your event is going ahead on the date originally planned - but how about selling your tickets to another fan for the price you paid?
If you booked directly through Ticketmaster.co.uk, You can do this on our Ticket Exchange – all you need is a Ticketmaster account to get started and we'll do the rest. More information can be found on our FAQ page.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on July 04, 2022, 04:11:16 PM
Anyone know if you can refund tickets already purchased? Would be tempted to buy better tickets and try to get a refund if there was an option. Haven't been able to find anything to say yes or no on ticketmaster.
From the Racketmaster FAQs tbrick:
Can I have a refund or exchange?
We can't offer any exchanges or refunds if your event is going ahead on the date originally planned - but how about selling your tickets to another fan for the price you paid?
If you booked directly through Ticketmaster.co.uk, You can do this on our Ticket Exchange – all you need is a Ticketmaster account to get started and we'll do the rest. More information can be found on our FAQ page.
Yeah I read that but it seems my tickets are cannot be resold or transferred!
It does feel like I've been shafted into crap seats. >:(
Maybe my tickets are fine, 716, Row L. It just feels like the opposite end of the pitch will be very far away.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on July 04, 2022, 04:11:16 PM
Anyone know if you can refund tickets already purchased? Would be tempted to buy better tickets and try to get a refund if there was an option. Haven't been able to find anything to say yes or no on ticketmaster.
From the Racketmaster FAQs tbrick:
Can I have a refund or exchange?
We can't offer any exchanges or refunds if your event is going ahead on the date originally planned - but how about selling your tickets to another fan for the price you paid?
If you booked directly through Ticketmaster.co.uk, You can do this on our Ticket Exchange – all you need is a Ticketmaster account to get started and we'll do the rest. More information can be found on our FAQ page.
Yeah I read that but it seems my tickets are cannot be resold or transferred!
It does feel like I've been shafted into crap seats. >:(
Maybe my tickets are fine, 716, Row L. It just feels like the opposite end of the pitch will be very far away.
12 rows back. I watched the Slaughtneil Corofin game from a similar spot (Premium just down below) and a concert from there. Was grand, you can see the team attack up both flanks etc, good view for Derry defending one half, attacking the Canal End the other half
https://twitter.com/heron_goat/status/1543947694405722113?t=-gOO5lvf1r8OnA2jaOWA7Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/heron_goat/status/1543947694405722113?t=-gOO5lvf1r8OnA2jaOWA7Q&s=19)
If anyone here likes to collect memorabilia and miss paper tickets just print out the ticket on Kodak photo paper. You would need to crop out the stuff at the bottom. That is what I do, it just looks like a proper ticket. I still use the phone ticket for entry though.
A lot of music fans hate mobile tickets, there is even a few sites that create paper tickets for collectors now. Stubforge for example.
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https://twitter.com/heron_goat/status/1543947694405722113?t=-gOO5lvf1r8OnA2jaOWA7Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/heron_goat/status/1543947694405722113?t=-gOO5lvf1r8OnA2jaOWA7Q&s=19)
Straight into my top 20 of Derry songs released this campaign!
Heron is having some season
I can remember Heron at school but I don't know what he was like.
I remember I used to avoid anyone carrying Ballinascreen bags as you knew they were going to hassle you in some way. I won't name any names though, I can't remember one of their surnames anyway.
OTB on Galway vs Derry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgHD8PWFGjc
Have ye any hope at all Seaifín?
Intriguing game. Two of the best and most versatile forwards in Ireland in Walsh and McGuigan. I think both teams will sit back, play cagey, hope to score on counter, but that would be worse for Derry because I feel Galway have more players that can pick off long points in that defensive type of game. Both teams have had a tougher route in that Derry beat 3 division 1 teams and Galway beat 2 plus 1 new promoted team (not that we were any great shakes). But well earned spots. I'll sit on the fence a bit more on this one before I enter predictions.
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2022, 01:45:25 PM
Intriguing game. Two of the best and most versatile forwards in Ireland in Walsh and McGuigan. I think both teams will sit back, play cagey, hope to score on counter, but that would be worse for Derry because I feel Galway have more players that can pick off long points in that defensive type of game. Both teams have had a tougher route in that Derry beat 3 division 1 teams and Galway beat 2 plus 1 new promoted team (not that we were any great shakes). But well earned spots. I'll sit on the fence a bit more on this one before I enter predictions.
If Galway come out and try to play they're normal game and take risks, Derry could take them for 10 points. I don't mean that Derry are a far superior team but they will punish any team that coughs up possession. Wouldn't be surprised to see a really cage 50 minutes or so.
I see the 3 guys on The Football Pod all went for Galway. It's an interesting one, neither side are close to perfect and a lot of variables go into it. Just think Galway's scoring power will give them the edge. I hope i'm wrong.
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 06, 2022, 01:57:33 PM
I see the 3 guys on The Football Pod all went for Galway. It's an interesting one, neither side are close to perfect and a lot of variables go into it. Just think Galway's scoring power will give them the edge. I hope i'm wrong.
The 2 lads on the BBC tipped Derry, maybe a north/south divide. I find a lot of these southern pundits can only talk about Derry's system and Gallagher and don't actually know any of the players outside of Glass, McGuigan, McKaigue and Rogers.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on July 06, 2022, 01:57:33 PM
I see the 3 guys on The Football Pod all went for Galway. It's an interesting one, neither side are close to perfect and a lot of variables go into it. Just think Galway's scoring power will give them the edge. I hope i'm wrong.
The 2 lads on the BBC tipped Derry, maybe a north/south divide. I find a lot of these southern pundits can only talk about Derry's system and Gallagher and don't actually know any of the players outside of Glass, McGuigan, McKaigue and Rogers.
They don't know much about our lads either outside of Walsh, Comer or Conroy to be honest. Most of he pundits know little about teams outside of the top 4 3/4 teams.
I heard it said this year recently about how we have lads like Michael Daly to come in etc. He hasn't been in the squad since 2020 like.
I take Derry to beat them if Galway try play the same Game plan as, Armagh. Derry better than alot of people think.
I would like to see Derry win but think Galway will win, I also think Kerry will take care of Dublin fairly handily tbh.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on July 06, 2022, 01:57:33 PM
I see the 3 guys on The Football Pod all went for Galway. It's an interesting one, neither side are close to perfect and a lot of variables go into it. Just think Galway's scoring power will give them the edge. I hope i'm wrong.
The 2 lads on the BBC tipped Derry, maybe a north/south divide. I find a lot of these southern pundits can only talk about Derry's system and Gallagher and don't actually know any of the players outside of Glass, McGuigan, McKaigue and Rogers.
They don't know much about our lads either outside of Walsh, Comer or Conroy to be honest. Most of he pundits know little about teams outside of the top 4 3/4 teams.
I heard it said this year recently about how we have lads like Michael Daly to come in etc. He hasn't been in the squad since 2020 like.
Yeah that's true, reflected by the fact most podcasts are spending twice as much time talking about the other semi
How much Rory Gallagher has learnt from his last two games against Galway will be a likely decider. Last spring in the league and a few years ago as Donegal manager in the round 4 qualifier his sides conceded a whopping 8-28 as they were destroyed on the kick outs and turn overs
If Derry bring the required intensity and aggression into this match I'd expect this match to be decided on fine margins if not Galway to win by a bit to spare.
On another note i watched back on the 1998 Derry v Galway All-Ireland semi final the other night. How bad was Joe Brolly? Seen better performances from Junior B club players after a feed of drink. Joe was eventually subbed off on 45 minutes yapping away to himself.
Good luck to south Derry on Saturday evening.
Gallagher will have his homework done.
Have Derry any set routine with regards what jersey they wear? I always assumed the white one was the home one so was surprised to see the red again the last day. Assume it'll be white on Saturday to avoid yet another slight GAA kit clash? We do seem to love them so much for some unknown reason, the hurling last Saturday being a classic example
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Have ye any hope at all Seaifín?
I think it's the best team we have had for some time. Galway teams that are the business tend to improve as the competition develops.
They would be good tournament team in soccer.
Derry are obviously good but I think we might nick it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2022, 06:16:35 PM
How much Rory Gallagher has learnt from his last two games against Galway will be a likely decider. Last spring in the league and a few years ago as Donegal manager in the round 4 qualifier his sides conceded a whopping 8-28 as they were destroyed on the kick outs and turn overs
If Derry bring the required intensity and aggression into this match I'd expect this match to be decided on fine margins if not Galway to win by a bit to spare.
On another note i watched back on the 1998 Derry v Galway All-Ireland semi final the other night. How bad was Joe Brolly? Seen better performances from Junior B club players after a feed of drink. Joe was eventually subbed off on 45 minutes yapping away to himself.
Only guessing here, but I think 1998 will have little impact on 2022.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 06, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
Only guessing here, but I think 1998 will have little impact on 2022.
Did i say it would?
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 06, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Mayo have had fitness, cohesiveness and system for a decade. You also need at least 3 scoring forwards. 8)
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 06, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Galways fitness and conditioning is as good as it's been for many years. cohesiveness and system has got them this far and i think it will get them to AI final. Galway to win by a point or two.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2022, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 06, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Mayo have had fitness, cohesiveness and system for a decade. You also need at least 3 scoring forwards. 8)
Honestly,not that hard, that's my point
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 06, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Galways fitness and conditioning is as good as it's been for many years. cohesiveness and system has got them this far and i think it will get them to AI final. Galway to win by a point or two.
I think Galway will win by 4 or 5. Derry have had a brilliant season and are in bonus territory. They've a very small panel and I think tiredness will catch up with them. Galway seem to be improving nicely and they've been up around the top level a bit longer.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 06, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Galways fitness and conditioning is as good as it's been for many years. cohesiveness and system has got them this far and i think it will get them to AI final. Galway to win by a point or two.
I think Galway will win by 4 or 5. Derry have had a brilliant season and are in bonus territory. They've a very small panel and I think tiredness will catch up with them. Galway seem to be improving nicely and they've been up around the top level a bit longer.
Don't think tiredness will be issue for Derry. Good rest after the Ulster final and had a stroll against Clare. This is semi final that both will be expecting to win will be zero talk of bonus territory. Next few years the semi final opponents could be Kerry or Dublin if Galway, Derry reach the last 4 so this is opportunity to grasp.
Fools game trying to predict this match, all on the day, much like the Armagh game, a good case can be made for either team it's so tight.
If Galway turn up and play well we've every chance, all I want to see is a good performance, I liked what I saw against Armagh for the most part, obviously there are a number of flaws that Derry will be looking to expolit but up to Galway to improve on those and to up it again on the things that are being done right.
A tight match bring the winner on a lot for the final.
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Derry by 5 . End of the day it's about fitness cohesiveness and system. Derry have that. Gaelic football not a very skillful sport so if you have all of the above ye go far
Galways fitness and conditioning is as good as it's been for many years. cohesiveness and system has got them this far and i think it will get them to AI final. Galway to win by a point or two.
I think Galway will win by 4 or 5. Derry have had a brilliant season and are in bonus territory. They've a very small panel and I think tiredness will catch up with them. Galway seem to be improving nicely and they've been up around the top level a bit longer.
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2022, 10:02:13 PM
A tight match bring the winner on a lot for the final.
Can't see Derry or Galweigens getting near kerry in the final.
Either can I, as they be playing Dublin.
This match could have a lot of goals in it, for one of the teams, and whoever gets them will win the game, hoping that's Derry but this is a very hard game to call.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2022, 10:02:13 PM
A tight match bring the winner on a lot for the final.
Can't see Derry or Galweigens getting near kerry in the final.
It's hard to know who good Kerry are. In the last 3 years they have been beaten by Dublin, Cork and Tyrone
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The game is too close to call as both teams I believe are evenly matched.
Galway probably have a slight edge over us given the league game and that they have more heavy scoring forwards than Derry.
However, I think Derry have a better defensive setup that Galway that has come a long way from the league game and I also think we'll ne the toughest game Galway have had so far.
I can't call it.
Will this be as close as the Clare game?
I know the majority of you Derry wans were saying the same thing prior to that game
Quote from: Silver hill on July 06, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
Quote from: Lucifer on July 07, 2022, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on July 06, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
What does this mean?
I hear it all the time.
Rodgers will play midfield, McKinless stay no.6, Chrissy pick up Comer, who match up on Walsh I don't know, likely would been McGrogan (as he picked up McManus in Monaghan game) but he got it tight in the Clare game.
Quote from: marty34 on July 07, 2022, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 07, 2022, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on July 06, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
What does this mean?
I hear it all the time.
Aerial presence & athleticism? Ability to win 50/50 ball & score
Quote from: marty34 on July 07, 2022, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 07, 2022, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on July 06, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
What does this mean?
I hear it all the time.
It is a bit of a generic statement, but what I mean is that they don't really have a player who stays around the square and can win longer direct ball, or generally cause chaos in and around there. Comer is a good example! It is a perceived weakness of Galway, further magnified after the goals scored by Armagh, but I'm not sure it is something Derry have the right type of player to exploit, unless they were to try something different.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Rodgers will play midfield, McKinless stay no.6, Chrissy pick up Comer, who match up on Walsh I don't know, likely would been McGrogan (as he picked up McManus in Monaghan game) but he got it tight in the Clare game.
I'd tend to agree with that. Does McCloskey have a bit more pace than McGrogan? I know McGrogan has been a more preferred match up but after struggling with Cleary it isn't ideal going into a contest against Walsh!
Quote from: Lucifer on July 07, 2022, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Rodgers will play midfield, McKinless stay no.6, Chrissy pick up Comer, who match up on Walsh I don't know, likely would been McGrogan (as he picked up McManus in Monaghan game) but he got it tight in the Clare game.
I'd tend to agree with that. Does McCloskey have a bit more pace than McGrogan? I know McGrogan has been a more preferred match up but after struggling with Cleary it isn't ideal going into a contest against Walsh!
Serious? lol Clucky is an absolute rocket
I think McKinless will be unleashed to go forward this time after being in a more defensive role the last couple of games.
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Quote from: Lucifer on July 07, 2022, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Rodgers will play midfield, McKinless stay no.6, Chrissy pick up Comer, who match up on Walsh I don't know, likely would been McGrogan (as he picked up McManus in Monaghan game) but he got it tight in the Clare game.
I'd tend to agree with that. Does McCloskey have a bit more pace than McGrogan? I know McGrogan has been a more preferred match up but after struggling with Cleary it isn't ideal going into a contest against Walsh!
Serious? lol Clucky is an absolute rocket
He quite clearly is, but I can't really recall seeing McGrogan opening up so don't know to what degree his pace is. Maybe McCloskey is the better match up for Walsh (obviously it isn't all about pace but with someone as quick as Walsh it is a prerequisite!)
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
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Quote from: TheMistro on July 07, 2022, 02:09:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2022, 10:02:13 PM
A tight match bring the winner on a lot for the final.
Can't see Derry or Galweigens getting near kerry in the final.
It's hard to know who good Kerry are. In the last 3 years they have been beaten by Dublin, Cork and Tyrone
Jack O'Connor is back with good reason. With the dubs and mayo in decline he has a sniff of all ireland medal. Jack will be still hurting since 2011. He had his eye on this game since reappointed kerry manager. I expect him to take thats dubs full back line apart.
What has McKaigues man scored off him in the championship so far out of interest?
Quote from: HiMucker on July 07, 2022, 02:36:06 PM
What has McKaigues man scored off him in the championship so far out of interest?
Only man that got anything off him was Darren McCurry (2pts from play)
Jack McCarron scored a mark off him and won 2 converted frees off him too iirc.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
McKaigue was on Finnerty in the league game. Finnerty taken off at half time - had a stinker. Now he was actually out in front of him several times and just dropped the ball for whatever reason. Jittery.
Walsh didn't play in that game.
I think Rogers marked Comer but not 100% sure.
Rodgers at Midfield allows Glass to go forward as he can score, but taking Rodgers out of the defence left us open at the bck. Its sort of pluses and minuses with that move. Wouldn't been worried as bad, but there not many other fullbacks in the county who regularly play there Dougan, Mcgoldrick, etc, none of which are on the panel, means brining McKeigue to 3, McGrogan power wise maybe better suited to Comer but ain't use to playing full back. Walsh could be abit tricky for him.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
McGrogan is built like, and is as strong as a bull.
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
I don't think Derry will want to get into a shootout, so I think we'll play super defensively to start with to frustrate Galway. Then attack at pace on turnovers.
Gallagher might surprise us all though....
Did McGrogan not play most of his underage at 3? He's very strong although has leaned up considerably. I don't think Gallagher will want McKaigue far from goal tracking Walsh, hence why I think Rogers might get the job. Paul Cassidy has got key roles all year so will be Iinteresting to see who he tracks.
Galwayman who do you see picking up our key men?
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
I don't really agree with your matchups but who picks up Conroy in that scenario?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2022, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
McGrogan is built like, and is as strong as a bull.
The problem is Comer is as strong as 2 bulls. Derry will probably start tight with Rogers on Comer and mckaigue on walsh. If we fall 5 or 6 down Rogers will go to midfield to try to get us into the game. Galway look to have too many danger men and more firepower than Derry.
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 07, 2022, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
I don't really agree with your matchups but who picks up Conroy in that scenario?
Yeah thats kinda my point, Galway have a fair few fires that need put out. Patrick Kelly is also a bit of a handful, big powerful player. Johnny Heaney too.
To answer your question, Emmet Bradley on Conroy.
It's interesting how the whole tone of the conversation [and mostly among Derry wans, those slippery Galway lads are sayin nathin] is about Derry's defensive setup and how we will counteract the Galway forwards, with hardly a mention of what we might need to do in terms of an offensive strategy to win the game. Which is a reflection of how most people visualise the game I suppose.
I hope RG will be setting a different narrative.
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 07, 2022, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
I don't really agree with your matchups but who picks up Conroy in that scenario?
Yeah thats kinda my point, Galway have a fair few fires that need put out. Patrick Kelly is also a bit of a handful, big powerful player. Johnny Heaney too.
To answer your question, Emmet Bradley on Conroy.
Big call. Hasn't started a game all year.
C Doherty and S Downey on Kelly and Heaney i'd imagine.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 07, 2022, 04:58:17 PM
It's interesting how the whole tone of the conversation [and mostly among Derry wans, those slippery Galway lads are sayin nathin] is about Derry's defensive setup and how we will counteract the Galway forwards, with hardly a mention of what we might need to do in terms of an offensive strategy to win the game. Which is a reflection of how most people visualise the game I suppose.
I hope RG will be setting a different narrative.
I think it's impossible to know.
The approach to Clare was a lot less defensive than previous games and gives a glimpse (perhaps) into Gallagher's mindset.
I'm also thinking back to the Ulster final....Rogers was marking Murphy, but given the freedom to go forward too. That also put Murphy on the back foot making him less effective in attack. Something similar could happen here.
Or Rogers could go to MF.
Or Glass could fall back into defence with ANOther going to MF, playing as yet another defender.
Fitness is there to attack at pace and use the full width of the pitch.
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Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 07, 2022, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2022, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 07, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
McGrogan on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty and Rogers on Walsh for me. Hammer the hammer!
I dont think McGrogan has the physicality for Comer. Bit of a mis match there. Whilst Derry will have +1 or +2 in close proximity to counter most problems, Gallagher wont want direct ball going into Comer.
Ideally Derry would put McKinless into midfield alongside Glass, to counter Galways pairing and give McDaid some attention. Im not actually sure they can afford to do that. I reckon he might need McKinless in defence for his match ups
Gallagher has a reputation for always getting his match ups right but this one is very tricky. I think he starts Ultra defensive with McKaigue on Walsh, Rogers on Comer, McGrogan on Finnerty & McKinless on Tierney. Glass to do a defensive number on McDaid.
I don't really agree with your matchups but who picks up Conroy in that scenario?
Yeah thats kinda my point, Galway have a fair few fires that need put out. Patrick Kelly is also a bit of a handful, big powerful player. Johnny Heaney too.
To answer your question, Emmet Bradley on Conroy.
Big call. Hasn't started a game all year.
C Doherty and S Downey on Kelly and Heaney i'd imagine.
I'd personally keep Bradley for the last 20.
Strong, impactful sub, can take a score, run at defence, hold possession and win his own ball in the air. Lets Derry change tactics and injects some experience into the final quarter.
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2022, 11:57:50 AM
Will this be as close as the Clare game?
I know the majority of you Derry wans were saying the same thing prior to that game
Are you comparing Clare to Galway?
That last game will have brought Galway on so much, compared to Derry v Clare.
But it showed them they can open up if they are let. Galway fans are being very very cagey overall...
There are a lot of big mobile men out there and I just hope the ref lets them get stuck in and is not whistle happy. I'd say Walsh will get a bit more protection this time out and if he is moving freely he is awesome at times...but get at him and in his face and he can drift.
Somehow, Derry still seem to be flying below the radar for me. Like they are bringing massive numbers but there almost seems to be more talk of other teams all year.
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....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
What does this mean?
I hear it all the time.
Aerial presence & athleticism? Ability to win 50/50 ball & score
Mc Guigan, Heron and Loughlin can all win their own ball and score.
These kind of wishy-washy statements that people throw out all the time.
Like we must play the Down Way. I mean, wtf does statements like that mean.
Too much listening to coaches who talk a good game.
65k the expected attendance for Saturdays double header. If it was a stand alone game would probably be looking at 35 to 40k?
Well how many do Galway bring, I say Derry be 20k
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Quote from: Silver hill on July 06, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
....maybe if they'd played their last game 2 days ago but a two week break takes tiredness out of the equation. Derry are the fittest of the 4 teams left and showed in all games thus far that they have the legs coming down the stretch. Just look at glass's GPS for the Ulster final- 18km ( even allowing for the extra 20 mins) that's off the charts running.
Our bench might be our Achilles heel if we pick up a couple of injuries. Emmett Bradley is a super option and would love to see a fully fit Paudie Tad unleashed in CP. after that, it's light enough. A full press on our kickout is also a worry if Galway decide to go down that route though unlikely as I think Joyce will keep cover to try to prevent exposure when we break quickly. It's intriguing, looking forward to it.
Just looking at match ups and Paudie seems like a good fit for Patrick Kelly, albeit maybe he doesn't have enough football behind him to be given a starting role. I think if he was, it would help the match ups fit better in the Derry defence.
Who will mark Walsh and Comer? I think Derry have a bit of a conundrum in terms of match ups; I expect one of McKinless or Rogers to be on McDaid which means only one can be in defence. Could McKaigue take up Comer and McCloskey or McGrogan take up Walsh, with the other on Finnerty? That would leave Rogers free to go on Tierney/McDaid/Kelly and give him a platform to do his usual marauding as well. Obviously any defence will be as much about a system, but the match ups will be key too and Derry have a lot more questions in how they are going to go about it than Galway.
At the other end it seems nailed on that Sean Kelly will take up McGuigan wherever he goes, but if he ends up venturing out with McGuigan it could leave the Galway FB line even more exposed. Derry don't have a real ball winning FF to exploit that but it would be interesting if the likes of Glass drifted in occasionally and was left competing with Conroy at FB.
The potential Ethan Doherty v Molloy match up will be a great contest too.
It could be a more cagey opening to this game than anticipated, it might take a while to settle.
What does this mean?
I hear it all the time.
Aerial presence & athleticism? Ability to win 50/50 ball & score
Mc Guigan, Heron and Loughlin can all win their own ball and score.
These kind of wishy-washy statements that people throw out all the time.
Like we must play the Down Way. I mean, wtf does statements like that mean.
Too much listening to coaches who talk a good game.
Loughlin quiet the last day out but expecting a big game from him as may be overlooked
Some analyst was talking about Derry defenders man-marking Galway forwards. Even the non famous Galway forwards showed up against Armagh. Derry can't do it for all 6. If they do the half backs won't be running anywhere.
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2022, 10:16:40 PM
Some analyst was talking about Derry defenders man-marking Galway forwards. Even the non famous Galway forwards showed up against Armagh. Derry can't do it for all 6. If they do the half backs won't be running anywhere.
That's the problem. Derry have been content for certain opposition players to have the ball knowing they're no danger. Galway have so many scoring forwards plus both midfielders and defenders like molloy and silke who can all score. It's gonna make it very difficult for Derry.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2022, 10:16:40 PM
Some analyst was talking about Derry defenders man-marking Galway forwards. Even the non famous Galway forwards showed up against Armagh. Derry can't do it for all 6. If they do the half backs won't be running anywhere.
That's the problem. Derry have been content for certain opposition players to have the ball knowing they're no danger. Galway have so many scoring forwards plus both midfielders and defenders like molloy and silke who can all score. It's gonna make it very difficult for Derry.
I think it'll be close to the Donegal game where we'll be ultra ultra defensive without the ball but more offensive when we have the ball with big numbers pushed up to the D to cause Galway problems.
Heard various reasons as to why we lose or why Galway lose and they're all valid just hope we give a good account of ourselves and if we win great!
Match ups will be Rogers on Comer, McKaigue on Finnerty, McCloskey on Walsh, McKinless
On McDaid, Silke on McGuigan and Kelly on Loughlin
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
65k the expected attendance for Saturdays double header. If it was a stand alone game would probably be looking at 35 to 40k?
how many will go home after tailteaan cup
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
65k the expected attendance for Saturdays double header. If it was a stand alone game would probably be looking at 35 to 40k?
how many will go home after tailteaan cup
Is that a rhetorical question?
Derry got to grips with the Donegal forward line which I have way ahead of Galway. If Tyrone were turning up the mor instead of Derry, everybody be having only 1 winner.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
Derry got to grips with the Donegal forward line which I have way ahead of Galway. If Tyrone were turning up the mor instead of Derry, everybody be having only 1 winner.
WHen the got around to it Armagh coped rightly with Donegal, but Galway matched them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
Derry got to grips with the Donegal forward line which I have way ahead of Galway. If Tyrone were turning up the mor instead of Derry, everybody be having only 1 winner.
:o :o :o
https://youtu.be/5946UyLWGxY
Derry by 5 for me if they continue the way they have been playing
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
Derry got to grips with the Donegal forward line which I have way ahead of Galway. If Tyrone were turning up the mor instead of Derry, everybody be having only 1 winner.
:o :o :o
+1
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
Agreed
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
This is 100% true. The media are living off their all Ireland win a decade ago.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
65k the expected attendance for Saturdays double header. If it was a stand alone game would probably be looking at 35 to 40k?
how many will go home after tailteaan cup
I was at an all Ireland u21 final double header in the 90s. Football was first. All the Cavan people left at the end ofvthe football.
Is that a rhetorical question?
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
This is 100% true. The media are living off their all Ireland win a decade ago.
Ulster's equivalent of Kerry?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/62053815
Sweet Jesus , ridiculous story
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2022, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
This is 100% true. The media are living off their all Ireland win a decade ago.
Not really true, they had a newish team coming through a few years after that team that looked like delivering, the reality only struck me when Cavan beat them in the Ulster Final, still a good team but would always be found out somewhere along the way.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2022, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Whatever about whether Galway win or not, can we please stop the overrating of Donegal at this stage? They have been shown up year on year to be the single most overrated team in the country, talked up as potential contenders every Spring and they lose every big match.
Donegal players have done nothing.
This is 100% true. The media are living off their all Ireland win a decade ago.
Not really true, they had a newish team coming through a few years after that team that looked like delivering, the reality only struck me when Cavan beat them in the Ulster Final, still a good team but would always be found out somewhere along the way.
Donegal have greatly underachieved under Bonner, nobody knows why he was manager again this year, Rochford on the management why wasn't he given the manager gig?
We are going in as favourites here with bookies, evens
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We are going in as favourites here with bookies, evens
What could possibly go wrong ?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 08, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
We are going in as favourites here with bookies, evens
What could possibly go wrong ?
Mckaigue apparently hasn't slept since 1998
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 08, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
We are going in as favourites here with bookies, evens
What could possibly go wrong ?
Mckaigue apparently hasn't slept since 1998
You're gonna be at some loose end when the County football season ends Fear! ;D McKaigue doesn't sleep, he waits. The Derry Chuck Norris
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 08, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
We are going in as favourites here with bookies, evens
What could possibly go wrong ?
Mckaigue apparently hasn't slept since 1998
You're gonna be at some loose end when the County football season ends Fear! ;D McKaigue doesn't sleep, he waits. The Derry Chuck Norris
Lol, hes a different breed alright . It won't end tomorrow anyhow
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0708/1309192-all-ireland-minor-football-final-mayo-v-galway-updates/
https://youtu.be/pFS4zYWxzNA
Teams published
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
65k the expected attendance for Saturdays double header. If it was a stand alone game would probably be looking at 35 to 40k?
how many will go home after tailteaan cup
To Kerry ?
When does your cuil camp start
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 08, 2022, 05:47:25 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/62053815
Sweet Jesus , ridiculous story
Bit harsh, not sure why they omitted the 07 minor final though, surely the most pertinent hurt of the lot?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 08, 2022, 05:47:25 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/62053815
Sweet Jesus , ridiculous story
Bit harsh, not sure why they omitted the 07 minor final though, surely the most pertinent hurt of the lot?
He is right that, regardless of the result, Derry football is in good shape.
25 out of 26 panel from south Derry - unreal percentage.
If they win today, they'll be wanting it split in two, when in reality, it is already. :)
Safe travels to the supporters.
Should be a good game. Ethan Doherty an under-rated player for Derry. Carries the ball well, breaks the lines and offloads accurately. Doesn't score much though - ideally set up for a goal today maybe. Be a good shout for first goalscorer.
Gallagher knows his stuff and be interesting to see how Galway go after the Armagh game with the circus that was. May affect them.
Galway have a good spread of clubs. One dominant club hasn't been good for the county team historically.
Quote from: marty34 on July 09, 2022, 08:34:31 AM
25 out of 26 panel from south Derry - unreal percentage.
If they win today, they'll be wanting it split in two, when in reality, it is already. :)
Safe travels to the supporters.
Should be a good game. Ethan Doherty an under-rated player for Derry. Carries the ball well, breaks the lines and offloads accurately. Doesn't score much though - ideally set up for a goal today maybe. Be a good shout for first goalscorer.
Gallagher knows his stuff and be interesting to see how Galway go after the Armagh game with the circus that was. May affect them.
Drop the split thing you numpty, you've been at it months
Good speak Fear
Hon Derry! Sambos currently being made
Quote from: marty34 on July 09, 2022, 08:34:31 AM
25 out of 26 panel from south Derry - unreal percentage.
If they win today, they'll be wanting it split in two, when in reality, it is already. :)
Safe travels to the supporters.
Should be a good game. Ethan Doherty an under-rated player for Derry. Carries the ball well, breaks the lines and offloads accurately. Doesn't score much though - ideally set up for a goal today maybe. Be a good shout for first goalscorer.
Gallagher knows his stuff and be interesting to see how Galway go after the Armagh game with the circus that was. May affect them.
A Mid ulster team comprised of South Derry and East Tyrone would clean up.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0708/1309107-colm-orourkes-all-ireland-sfc-semi-final-picks/Colm O'Rourke's All-Ireland SFC semi-final picks
Updated / Friday, 8 Jul 2022 11:57
Derry v Galway - Saturday, 5.30pm Croke Park
It's a great prospect, a weekend of fantastic football to look forward to.
Padraic Joyce has the Galway juggernaut on the move and I think they're going to get a significant boost from the win over Armagh but, more particularly, from the way they beat them.
They could have been down and out at the end of normal time. They came back in extra-time after conceding a goal and still ended up winning the game.
The Galway players celebrating their penalty shootout win over Armagh
If you take away all the drama of the day, the penalties and whatnot, Galway played brilliant football. I was very, very impressed with them.
But then again, we saw a different Derry when they came to Croke Park. We saw the Ulster final and the very defensive football that they played and we wondered could they change that up. But Rory Gallagher showed that they had a different bow to their violin when they came to Croker against Clare and rammed in five goals.
It's a very exciting sort of game, two teams who haven't been around for quite a while.
I think Galway may have the edge in this one. Derry are very new and we're seeing players like Conor Glass and Shane McGuigan and Gareth McKinless making big names for themselves. But I think Galway will probably get more out of Shane Walsh tomorrow.
I think people are revising their opinion on whether it's going to a Kerry-Dublin walkaway. Maybe we'll have a new champion this year? But on Saturday, it's Galway for me.
Good luck to Derry today.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/derry-v-galway-fans-dare-to-dream-again-after-decades-of-heartbreak-41826174.html
Derry open with puke football. It may be a very long match.
Pat Spillane with his lazy analysis regarding Derry.
Looked a body check and black card before Walsh free.....
Galway keeper already looking a liability again
So far so good for Derry. Forcing Galway to shoot under pressure and picking off points at the other end.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
Derry open with puke football. It may be a very long match.
Whatever, but it's the scoreboard that will count.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
Derry open with puke football. It may be a very long match.
Derry attacking quicker. Galway look slow up front. Need to get score on the board.
Hawkeye blind?
This is shit
Who said Galway had better forwards than mayo?
That looked over to me. Need to recalibrate Hawkeye. Galway no idea how to penetrate Derry so far.
Dublin or Kerry will batter whichever wins this.
Galway's first score after 22 minutes who would have predicted that? Can be pleased only 2 points between the sides.
Really poor stuff from both sides so far.
Turgid stuff so far, but the Derry wans will be the happier.
Derry don't seem to have the same drive they've had in previous games. Some poor decisions too. Granted Galway seem to have a lot back so will be tough attacking. Or is the fear of losing starting to kick in.
Point in it now.
Quote from: Turf on July 09, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Dublin or Kerry will batter whichever wins this.
These two teams are set up not to get battered.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
Derry open with puke football. It may be a very long match.
Whatever, but it's the scoreboard that will count.
Tyrone when they are on song are more accurate . Might count in the endgame.
Derry dominant but not reflected on the scoreboard
Will we make the six points scored in the first half of Donegal v Dublin in 2011?
Crap game
Brutal Game! Galway are shocking. Man mark.Walsh and they are non-existent.
Derry's brand of football is hard on the eye alright!
This is utterly dreadful stuff for a semi final.
Style and quality of football on display both atrocious.
Galway more wides in the first 11 mins than in the entire 80+ mins of normal time of their quarter final. Boys soloing the ball over the sideline. 30 yard frees and marks going wide. Both sides going 20+ mins scoreless.
Needs a good melee to wake everyone up.
Although it actually reminds me more of Donegal Mayo 1992.
Two nervous teams.
Galway have missed a few scoreable chances.
They will have to ban teams putting all their players in their own half of the field, bringing the full forward line back to defend etc.
Hawk eye is broke
Half time Derry 0-4 Galway 0-3.
Hawkeye def wrong there
Hawkeye wtf. Galway need to be given that point back.
Both teams suffering from hawkeye. Galway's was a stone wall point.
WTF Hawkeye??
Even Hawkeye has been shit.
And they called our game "puke football" at half-time in the AISF in 2003, when we were leading 0–08 to 0–04 at half-time, FFS! ;)
Hawkeye needs a new sponsor
Somebody's getting sacked in the morning.
Hawk eye needs to go to spec savers and the officials that cravenly accepted it. Embarrassing.
Hopefully this match opens up in the second half
Should be done way with now. There's no debating that one so how many other less obvious ones were missed. Leave it to the umpires.
Quote from: weareros on July 09, 2022, 06:12:26 PM
Hawk eye needs to go to spec savers and the officials that cravenly accepted it. Embarrassing.
The referee would or should have have seen it sail over the bar.
Why was it used for that one? No-Oe had aN ssue with it being a point?
Hawkeye is on the unders.
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 05:51:11 PM
That looked over to me. Need to recalibrate Hawkeye. Galway no idea how to penetrate Derry so far.
That's a point for Derry & a point for Galway Hawshite has missed.
It would make you wonder if Conor Glasses Hawkeye call was wrong ?
Quote from: tyroneman on July 09, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
Why was it used for that one? No-Oe had aN ssue with it being a point?
Hawshite checks all scores in the back ground.
Hawkeye on one of Derry's shots showed it was a point yet they gave a wide. Along with that Shane Walsh 45 not given something is right with Hawkeye today.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2022, 06:17:34 PM
Hawkeye on one of Derry's shot showed in was a point yet they gave a wide. Along with that Shane Walsh 45 not given something is right with Hawkeye today.
Yes. It should be stood down for the second half.
Lee Keegan probably needs an umbrella, Spillane is likely spit talking
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2022, 06:17:34 PM
Hawkeye on one of Derry's shots showed it was a point yet they gave a wide. Along with that Shane Walsh 45 not given something is right with Hawkeye today.
Apparently out on rip in coppers last night.
That's pretty poor tbh though
Can the ref not overrule Hawkeye?
Point given
score corrected to 0-4 each at half time. What about the error on the Derry effort?
McKinless goes down a bit too easy
The f**k was that????
Should have been a free out!
Derry under pressure now
From 3-0 ahead to since outscored 6-1 a real tester for Derry and their system of play.
McKinless is some diver.
Attendance 68,830
Not too shabby
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 09, 2022, 06:36:15 PM
From 3-0 ahead to since outscored 6-1 a real tester for Derry and their system of play.
They may have to open the kimono
Goal for Galway, Comer got in very easy there. Galway with a healthy 6 point lead now
Felt like the game was over when Galway went three up and it definitely feels over now. Derry seriously struggling since the first quarter.
Derry have been shite since the 12th minute first half.
Comer has been fantastic.
We don't have the same energy as we've had previously but Galway have been impressive this half.
Referee finally catching on to McKinless
Quote from: tyroneman on July 09, 2022, 06:45:13 PM
Referee finally catching on to McKinless
Wouldn't argue with that.
I just don't understand it.
They were so good against Clare.
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 06:43:22 PM
We don't have the same energy as we've had previously but Galway have been impressive this half.
Derry were imposing themselves in Galway in the first half.
They need to change tactics now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 09, 2022, 06:46:05 PM
I just don't understand it.
They were so good against Clare.
We were better against Tyrone!!
Derry have completely lost their way since controlling the first 20 minutes of this contest. Its Galways game to lose now.
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McKinless is some diver.
justice for the cheat.
Yes... because no other player in the country tries to grab the arm and get a free 😳
Really expected Derry to be a lot better today, looks like Gallagher still has no plan B. Hopefully this doesn't end up like Cavan 2020 for them.
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 06:49:05 PM
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Quote from: 5times5times on July 09, 2022, 06:37:57 PM
McKinless is some diver.
justice for the cheat.
Yes... because no other player in the country tries to grab the arm and get a free 😳
Just that he seems to do it a lot more than most
Terrible, tertible stuff from Derry. Galway fans can start looking for tickets now.
How did he not goal that. Was chance for game over
Derry have had 4 men in the FF line numerous times, yet to put a tester in, shocking.
If only Derry could have pretended that Galway were their All-Ireland winning neighbours from across the Sperrins in the first round of the Ulster, it might all have been so different! :)
Ulster football was poor this year. No Tyrone or Donegal.
60 mins played Galway 1-8 Derry 0-5. Derry have scored just 2 points since the 12th minute.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
If only Derry could have pretended that Galway were their All-Ireland winning neighbours from across the Sperrins in the first round of the Ulster, it might all have been so different! :)
That's what Armagh did & got back into the game.
Derry haven't tried a high ball or a dink ball into their FF all match. Bizarre. Are they waiting until 5 minutes to go?
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Ulster football was poor this year. No Tyrone or Donegal.
You're lads got beat by Clare so...
Listen at the start of the year I'd have taken division 1 and a good performance against Tyrone. We got to an All Ireland Semi Final against all the odds.
This is Derry's first year challenging... we have lads coming through to make sure we'll be back again. I'm proud of every man involved in that setup they gave us a year we weren't expecting... We'll be back!!
Galway are further down the road than we are and best of luck to them in the Final!
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Ulster football was poor this year. No Tyrone or Donegal.
In fairness to Derry (and Armagh) Donegal have done f**k all outside of Ulster in the past few seasons.
That is pure class from Comer
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
If only Derry could have pretended that Galway were their All-Ireland winning neighbours from across the Sperrins in the first round of the Ulster, it might all have been so different! :)
That's what Armagh did & got back into the game.
Nah, Armagh's from across the Lough! ;)
Comer a hard man to stop when on song to be fair
Having a keeper up the pitch is pointless unless they bring something to the attack.
Nice finish all the same.
Fly goalkeepers the way to go? Thank you very much from Comer.
How bad was Ulster this year?!?
It appears the blanket will only get you so far these days.
Tomorrow is the AIF
Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
Armagh would have beaten Derry on their performance today.
I'm watching on Sky, Donaghy on co-commentary, even he must be a bit disappointed not to be on the line today.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 09, 2022, 07:00:55 PM
How bad was Ulster this year?!?
Not bad enough for Tyrone to win it 😂😂
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2022, 07:01:15 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
Armagh would have beaten Derry on their performance today.
If your aunt has balls and all that. Armagh wouldn't have lived with that Galway performance either. Very focused after the first 30 mins.
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Ulster football was poor this year. No Tyrone or Donegal.
You're lads got beat by Clare so...
Listen at the start of the year I'd have taken division 1 and a good performance against Tyrone. We got to an All Ireland Semi Final against all the odds.
This is Derry's first year challenging... we have lads coming through to make sure we'll be back again. I'm proud of every man involved in that setup they gave us a year we weren't expecting... We'll be back!!
Galway are further down the road than we are and best of luck to them in the Final!
Wasn't trying to have a go Screen, we did beat Galway twice this year & only lost the Connacht final by 3.
And yes we lost to a midlan Clare side. We chit the nest, flaky what can I say.
The League game against the very same protagonists was only a precursor, apparently.
At what point do you realise your system isn't working and try something different?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
Having a keeper up the pitch is pointless unless they bring something to the attack.
Nice finish all the same.
Lynch is extremely limited out the field. He is just a hindrance when he goes out rather than any help.
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2022, 07:01:15 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
Armagh would have beaten Derry on their performance today.
If your aunt has balls and all that. Armagh wouldn't have lived with that Galway performance either. Very focused after the first 30 mins.
I didn't day they would beat Galway I said they would beat Derry. They proved that they weren't far off Galway last time.
Derry will probably not get back to this stage again. There's only so far you can get in the modern game playing this type of football.
Feel sorry for the likes of McGuigan, Glass, McKaigue, etc who are top class players but not allowed to express their ability.
Consolation goal for Derry. Galway much the better team from the 20th minute. Back in their first AI final since 2001
A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
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Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
Armagh would have beaten Derry on their performance today.
If your aunt has balls and all that. Armagh wouldn't have lived with that Galway performance either. Very focused after the first 30 mins.
I didn't day they would beat Galway I said they would beat Derry. They proved that they weren't far off Galway last time.
Derry would have had more joy against the Armagh defence in that first half. Galway very tight, albeit with a lot of men back. Not sure Armagh would have held them to 4 points.
Quote from: square_ball on July 09, 2022, 07:04:20 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
Having a keeper up the pitch is pointless unless they bring something to the attack.
Nice finish all the same.
Lynch is extremely limited out the field. He is just a hindrance when he goes out rather than any help.
Ropey enough goalkeeper and even worse out the field. When Armagh put Rafferty in nets they were putting a fairly decent intercounty forward there. Derry were clueless going forward and Galway fully deserving of their win
Derry supporters of a certain age must hate the sight of Galway. Rory Gallagher showed today he's no Jim McGuinness.
Good to see all those booing supporters sent packing all the same
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on July 09, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Yes we are embarrassed to get to our first AISF in almost 20 years 🤦🏼♂️
Rogers left there to be roasted . My favourite player by far still
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
It appears the blanket will only get you so far these days.
Tomorrow is the AIF
Galway had the blanket for almost all of the first half, they've just got better forwards
Desperately unlucky for Derry.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 07:04:06 PM
The League game against the very same protagonists was only a precursor, apparently.
Because Derry were Ulster champions. And because Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal operate on a superior orbit to Mayo, Ros and Leitrim.
Derry continue their Galway agony. 98 01 15 22
It's very hard to win a last 4 match with no forwards
Quote from: blasmere on July 09, 2022, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
It appears the blanket will only get you so far these days.
Tomorrow is the AIF
Galway had the blanket for almost all of the first half, they've just got better forwards
Galway just mirrored how Derry set up. Armagh played a more open brand of football, and Galway were then allowed to play a bit of football.
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
It appears the blanket will only get you so far these days.
In that respect it's no bad thing to see Derry well beaten and only manage 7 scores. The ultra defensive stuff seemed to be on the way out and for a side using it to win an AI or get close wouldn't have been a positive thing for the sport.
Derry can rightfully argue that in winning them an Ulster title and reaching an All Ireland semi that the tactics paid off. Will be interesting to see if they are able to develop the attacking side of their game as they move forward.
Good luck to Galway in the final. They were a few points better than Armagh then threw away the lead with naivety. Saw today out easy enough, so perhaps a lesson learned.
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on July 09, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Yes we are embarrassed to get to our first AISF in almost 20 years 🤦🏼♂️
And when you got there you didn't throw a punch.
Wasted opportunity. How long will Derry have to wait to get another?
Derry looked like they had no idea how to adapt when behind. It's all good and well playing one or two sweepers but when you fall behind by double scores there has to be a Plan B.
Too many of Derry's main men either failed to show up or were so restricted by their system. Glass, McGuigan, McKinless and McKaigue all failed to grab the game when it was there for the taking.
Dublin/Kerry will wipe the floor with Galway.
Comer is the player that Mayo fans think Aidan O'Shea is.
Derry didn't build up a big enough lead when they were in control. Once they fell behind they had no answers.
Plus they underestimated Galway. It's not the hurlers.
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Quote from: blasmere on July 09, 2022, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
It appears the blanket will only get you so far these days.
Tomorrow is the AIF
Galway had the blanket for almost all of the first half, they've just got better forwards
Galway just mirrored how Derry set up. Armagh played a more open brand of football, and Galway were then allowed to play a bit of football.
Galway we're way more defensive in the first half that Derry. Hopefully they learn from that as they didn't start pulling away until they switched to a more attacking game plan.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Derry shocking ... feel for Rian O'Neill sitting in a bar in Chicago watching this crap.
I'm sure the rumoured large sum of money will help ease his pain!!
My view was the Armagh and Galway post game analysis was ruined by what happened at the end of normal time. However it was one of the best quality games in a long time played by two very good teams. I believed Galway would go on and win the All Ireland after that QF win, Armagh might prove to have been their biggest test this season.
Today was more comfortable than I expected but they're going to take some stopping in the final, they played it safe for 20 minutes and then beat Derry very easily.
Very poor stuff from Derry. Game looked beyond them long before the first goal went in.
Dunno whether it was the time in Australia or if it's Gallagher, but Conor Glass looks a shadow of the footballer he can be. He's had a decent year and they've had a good run, but it seems like he's spent half the year running laterally and pop passing to a man coming off the shoulder.
I don't necessarily agree that Dublin/Kerry would wipe the floor with this Galway outfit. They'll probably beat them alright, but Galway have it in them to run either to a few points if they play to their potential.
Quote from: guevara on July 09, 2022, 07:16:34 PM
Derry looked like they had no idea how to adapt when behind. It's all good and well playing one or two sweepers but when you fall behind by double scores there has to be a Plan B.
Too many of Derry's main men either failed to show up or were so restricted by their system. Glass, McGuigan, McKinless and McKaigue all failed to grab the game when it was there for the taking.
Dublin/Kerry will wipe the floor with Galway.
Thought McKaigue was more or less excellent
Quote from: thewobbler on July 09, 2022, 07:15:33 PM
It's very hard to win a last 4 match with no forwards
Bingo!!
Was talked about at length before Tyrone game but the system and the raw desire has masked it so far.
Someone said above how long until Derry are back there in utterly convinced it won't be long the players are there and the forwards will be there in the next few years!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 09, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
Rogers left there to be roasted . My favourite player by far still
A great player
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 09, 2022, 07:15:33 PM
It's very hard to win a last 4 match with no forwards
Bingo!!
Was talked about at length before Tyrone game but the system and the raw desire has masked it so far.
Someone said above how long until Derry are back there in utterly convinced it won't be long the players are there and the forwards will be there in the next few years!
McGuigan is an excellent forward. He spent pretty much the whole game in his own half though.
Comer, on the other hand, was allowed to stay up at times and rewarded that decision with 2-2 or whatever he finished with.
Galway have a more than 50% chance in the AIF I'd say: don't panic about losing the early exchanges (however ugly), persevere and believe in their own strengths, and exploit those strengths increasingly as the game progresses, with the players who can carry it through.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 09, 2022, 07:15:33 PM
It's very hard to win a last 4 match with no forwards
Bingo!!
Was talked about at length before Tyrone game but the system and the raw desire has masked it so far.
Someone said above how long until Derry are back there in utterly convinced it won't be long the players are there and the forwards will be there in the next few years!
Don't think that's the end of this Derry team at all, I had actually thought the system alone would have saw them edge it, shows what I know. Galway just had a much superior forward line, Derry too conservative in attack, and when they eventually threw the shackles off a bit they still faffed around.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 07:29:33 PM
Galway have a more than 50% chance in the AIF I'd say: don't panic about losing the early exchanges (however ugly), persevere and believe in their own strengths, and exploit those strengths increasingly as the game progresses, with the players who can carry it through.
Both Derry and Armagh could have had several more points in that "early period". A better team might get those points.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 09, 2022, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 07:29:33 PM
Galway have a more than 50% chance in the AIF I'd say: don't panic about losing the early exchanges (however ugly), persevere and believe in their own strengths, and exploit those strengths increasingly as the game progresses, with the players who can carry it through.
Both Derry and Armagh could have had several more points in that "early period". A better team might get those points.
True, but I remain to be convinced that either of these remaining Dublin or Kerry teams can actually fill that brief.
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A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Yes we are embarrassed to get to our first AISF in almost 20 years 🤦🏼♂️
And when you got there you didn't throw a punch.
Wasted opportunity. How long will Derry have to wait to get another?
Derry are 8th on the list of Anglo Celt titles in Ulster afaik. This year's Ulster title inspired kids across the county. Tactics can always be changed.
Ulster is going through a period of change with Donegal and Monaghan fading. Tyrone have a 24 month cycle. Armagh are emerging. Derry could win more Ulsters.
As long as they learn from today.
Apart from the 1st 15 minutes that was a 5 point hammering.
Galway "won" from 20th to 70th minute by 2-8 to 0-3.
Derry seemed to have 2 tactics...pack the defence and try and get through for goals at the other end.
First worked up to a point -Comer- but the Galway defence snuffed all their goal attempts.
They had no plan B, just stick to the system.
Very galling to see them herrins in the Final....but unfortunately we never got out of League mode.
As poor a semi final performance as I've seen. Keeper offered nothing going fwd. Should've stayed on his line. Derry looked like Down today when they went forward. Afraid to shoot. Good year but today will knW away at them for sometime. Derry are better than that.
I said before the game how much Rory Gallagher has learnt from his last two games against Galway will be a likely decider. 8-28 conceded in those games the answer was very little as his team was well beaten again and in most part due to turn overs from the high intensity and aggression that Galway brought into the game and Derry unable to match it.
Some weekend for Galway footballers, seniors into their first All Ireland final since 2001 (they looked a mile off that after the 2019 campaign) and yesterday won the Minor All Ireland title for the first time since 2007.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2022, 07:11:14 PM
Derry supporters of a certain age must hate the sight of Galway. Rory Gallagher showed today he's no Jim McGuinness.
McGuinness didn't win the All Ireland on his first attempt
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2022, 07:11:14 PM
Derry supporters of a certain age must hate the sight of Galway. Rory Gallagher showed today he's no Jim McGuinness.
McGuinness didn't win the All Ireland on his first attempt
This isn't Rory first attempt. Ask Donegal supporters what they made of Gallaghers time as manager of them.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
Apart from the 1st 15 minutes that was a 5 point hammering.
Galway "won" from 20th to 70th minute by 2-8 to 0-3.
Derry seemed to have 2 tactics...pack the defence and try and get through for goals at the other end.
First worked up to a point -Comer- but the Galway defence snuffed all their goal attempts.
They had no plan B, just stick to the system.
Very galling to see them herrins in the Final....but unfortunately we never got out of League mode.
Ros could have beaten Derry today.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
Apart from the 1st 15 minutes that was a 5 point hammering.
Galway "won" from 20th to 70th minute by 2-8 to 0-3.
Derry seemed to have 2 tactics...pack the defence and try and get through for goals at the other end.
First worked up to a point -Comer- but the Galway defence snuffed all their goal attempts.
They had no plan B, just stick to the system.
Very galling to see them herrins in the Final....but unfortunately we never got out of League mode.
Ros could have beaten Derry today.
Kilkenny could have beaten Derry today...
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 08:15:17 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
Apart from the 1st 15 minutes that was a 5 point hammering.
Galway "won" from 20th to 70th minute by 2-8 to 0-3.
Derry seemed to have 2 tactics...pack the defence and try and get through for goals at the other end.
First worked up to a point -Comer- but the Galway defence snuffed all their goal attempts.
They had no plan B, just stick to the system.
Very galling to see them herrins in the Final....but unfortunately we never got out of League mode.
Ros could have beaten Derry today.
Kilkenny could have beaten Derry today...
A feckin' disgrace as Ulster Champions! :P ;)
Quote from: snoopdog on July 09, 2022, 07:49:02 PM
As poor a semi final performance as I've seen. Keeper offered nothing going fwd. Should've stayed on his line. Derry looked like Down today when they went forward. Afraid to shoot. Good year but today will knW away at them for sometime. Derry are better than that.
Ah now, don't be comparing them with Down. You have to keep some sense of comparability.
Was Comer booked twice?
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 09, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
The hard part of a defeat after sticking to the system is when it's all over and you know you didn't even try to win.
Yeah but then you have to consider all the teams on the Derybside of the draw having a pop who had a chance and couldn't beat us or the teams we beat.
At the end of the day we got down to the last 4 teams in the country having been literally NOWHERE...
I have no doubt the system will evolve as will the players.
Doire abu!
https://twitter.com/gaa_statsman/status/1545836110319960064/photo/1
Galway shot 40%(6 from 15) from play with Derry 35% (5 from 14)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
Apart from the 1st 15 minutes that was a 5 point hammering.
Galway "won" from 20th to 70th minute by 2-8 to 0-3.
Derry seemed to have 2 tactics...pack the defence and try and get through for goals at the other end.
First worked up to a point -Comer- but the Galway defence snuffed all their goal attempts.
They had no plan B, just stick to the system.
Very galling to see them herrins in the Final....but unfortunately we never got out of League mode.
It is, especially when it's 50/50.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Current odds to win the All-Ireland
Kerry - Evens
Dublin - 2/1
Galway - 11/4
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Different dynamic, where we have never lost against Galway in the Championship, for example, and your lads have never won.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on July 09, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Hope Galway can go on and win it. You would fear though if it takes them 20 mins to settle against kerry or the dubs it will be over.
Comer must be a nailed-on all Star
I would say mckaigue is too. Not sure on other Derry ones. Maybe Rodgers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2022, 08:44:00 PM
I would say mckaigue is too. Not sure on other Derry ones. Maybe Rodgers.
Glass couldn't be far away himself and Comer unless Fento does something spectacular tomorrow and the next day.
Recent history
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1541188428708159489
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 08:41:09 PM
Comer must be a nailed-on all Star
2nd favourite for Player of the Year at the moment after Clifford.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 09, 2022, 08:44:00 PM
I would say mckaigue is too. Not sure on other Derry ones. Maybe Rodgers.
Glass couldn't be far away himself and Comer unless Fento does something spectacular tomorrow and the next day.
Conroy will have one of the midfield ones locked up. The other is up for grabs.
Derry have employed a strong strategy this year and were slightly unfortunate today when they conceded that goal a run of frees in quick succession. Don't really see much scope for improvement from Derry, don't really have many top notch players.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 08:31:44 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Different dynamic, where we have never lost against Galway in the Championship, for example, and your lads have never won.
But Tyrone have been hammered by Mayo on several occasions
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Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Different dynamic, where we have never lost against Galway in the Championship, for example, and your lads have never won.
But Tyrone have been hammered by Mayo on several occasions
2021 has erased that particular jibe from the Maigh Eo buachaillí, and no better way to eliminate that specific omission than in an AIF itself, however, I was only referencing Galway, not Mayo, so please stick to the subject.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 09, 2022, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2022, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 09, 2022, 08:19:30 PM
The hard part of a defeat after sticking to the system is when it's all over and you know you didn't even try to win.
Yeah but then you have to consider all the teams on the Derybside of the draw having a pop who had a chance and couldn't beat us or the teams we beat.
At the end of the day we got down to the last 4 teams in the country having been literally NOWHERE...
I have no doubt the system will evolve as will the players.
Doire abu!
Yip, no doubt about that. Ultimately the year was a great success. Derry over-achieved. They must be commended for that.
Just to end with such a whimper is frustrating because it didn't need to be like that.
Like my profile, Derry needed a plan B. But they have done better than many expected.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2022, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2022, 08:31:44 PM
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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Different dynamic, where we have never lost against Galway in the Championship, for example, and your lads have never won.
But Tyrone have been hammered by Mayo on several occasions
Hammered?
Think Gallagher squeezed every ounce out of Derry, they trained something like 13/14 days coming up to quarter final. They were surprise package and done well tbf. However came up against a tyrone team playing in their flip flops and Donegal who are just flops. Can't see them maintain that level, similar to McGuimess' reign in Donegal.
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A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Yes we are embarrassed to get to our first AISF in almost 20 years 🤦🏼♂️
And when you got there you didn't throw a punch.
Wasted opportunity. How long will Derry have to wait to get another?
Embarrassing my hole. Christ there is some poop talked on here.
Well done RG and squad, have given us Derry folk some great days out this, year and an Anglo Celt. We've some fine underage players to come through. You look at the spine of that Derry team, they'll be back.
Best of luck to Galway in the final, some serious footballers in that side and physically very strong. Great supporters too.
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A bit embarrassing for Derry in the end. No plan B, no initiative when behind. Just the same turgid stuff on repeat til the end.
Took 20 mins to settle, but from that point Galway were very controlled. That's two good results in their last two games against two very different opponents. They'll be a handful in the final.
Yes we are embarrassed to get to our first AISF in almost 20 years 🤦🏼♂️
And when you got there you didn't throw a punch.
Wasted opportunity. How long will Derry have to wait to get another?
Embarrassing my hole. Christ there is some poop talked on here.
Well done RG and squad, have given us Derry folk some great days out this, year and an Anglo Celt. We've some fine underage players to come through. You look at the spine of that Derry team, they'll be back.
Best of luck to Galway in the final, some serious footballers in that side and physically very strong. Great supporters too.
Maith thú
Spade a spade, Gallagher coaches puke football and it only takes you so far these days. Reminds me of Mickey Harte's last team. Ulster title is great, but bigger picture is that it was dire today. Can only see Rogers getting an All Star, and he'd fully deserve it.
Are Derry the first team to bring out a semi final song?
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Are Derry the first team to bring out a semi final song?
Naw ireland brought wan out before Euro 88
Listen lads
If someone had of said around Easter time, derry will beat the reigning all ireland champions, go on to beat Monaghan, then donegal in the final to become ulster champions for the first time in 24 years
Then get a handy draw to get a 1/4 final in croke Park and win easy, giving us a rare big day out in the capital
Then it's over after getting beat by a better team ( let's admit that), would you have taken it ?
Silly question I know
I said going down this morning this was bonus x3 territory
Great year, well done lads, and let's build on it
Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 09, 2022, 09:51:39 PM
Spade a spade, Gallagher coaches puke football and it only takes you so far these days. Reminds me of Mickey Harte's last team. Ulster title is great, but bigger picture is that it was dire today. Can only see Rogers getting an All Star, and he'd fully deserve it.
Galways style is identical to Derry's probably even more defensive if you think how conservative they were for first 20min. They play with 14 or 15 behind the ball, they have done in every game this year. It wasnt a case of them adapting to match derry in a one off game, they'll play the same in the final. The difference was Comers first goal and a few soft frees after ht
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2022, 11:22:24 PM
Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
If I'm being very honest , Galway had better spread of players, maybe an off day I'm not sure but Galway looked stronger all over, onwards and upwards
If I was an armagh mani would be sick because there was an all Ireland
Ok I am sick
Fair play to Galway easy the better team
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Why would you take that? I don't get it. Win the fcukin thing.
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Why would you take that? I don't get it. Win the fcukin thing.
I get that too but it's been 29 years from the last ( and the first )
Yes in a one off game we should've fuckin went for it after 45 minutes or so,as I said 6 points or 60
BUT, from div 4 not that long ago to 35 minutes from an AI final and an Anglo celt ? Not the worst season
But I know what you mean, will earn tomorrow with regrets :(
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Why would you take that? I don't get it. Win the fcukin thing.
We weren't enough to win the thing!
That's lazy analysis to say we're in the same boat as Galway they've been in Div 1 4 of the last 5 years and 3 years ago we were in Div 4.
Why does everything have to be so binary "win the All Ireland or you're shite". It's no way that simple. This was a chance for us but we weren't good enough so we'll go away and try to get better. We will 100% be better in 2-3 years time while doing our best in that time.
Yes there are Derry supporters disappointed tonight but we aren't disheartened there are way more positives to come out of this year than just the Galway performance!
We're not the same as Galway they came down from Div 1 last year and we came up from Div 3
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Why would you take that? I don't get it. Win the fcukin thing.
I get that too but it's been 29 years from the last ( and the first )
Yes in a one off game we should've fuckin went for it after 45 minutes or so,as I said 6 points or 60
BUT, from div 4 not that long ago to 35 minutes from an AI final and an Anglo celt ? Not the worst season
But I know what you mean, will earn tomorrow with regrets :(
Agreed, we've had a super year with memories for the young bucks who've had 5 brilliant days out to cherish.
A great learning curve and one these Derry men will process over time and come back stronger.
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
Derry and their fans got a wee bit carried away with themselves.
All this chat about - just give such and such their all star now - unfortunately All Star awards get given out for performances from the semi final on and not for goals against Clare.
The truth is they had a good year off the back of Tyrone being distracted and over celebrating. When you look through the team they have some very average footballers, the likes of Toner, Lynch, Doherty's, Herron's would need replaced with real quality, even the so called stars such as McGuigan, Glass and Rogers looked average yesterday.
They will be around for a while to come, but the disappointing thing yesterday was not even testing Galway with high balls after the joy Armagh got. Is Anton Tohill not an option in there?
Thought the same myself yday. Did they pump one high ball in
Think if McKindless was from Tyrone more would have been made of him going down handy for frees..
Losing the way Derry did wasn't just about tactics. You don't know how good players are until they are properly tested. All the talk pre match was about Derry closing down Galway's big players. It was too difficult. The second goal showed a lack of cuteness. Goalie out of position and ball turned over in no man's land . Galway'sc execution was top notch.
One big advantage Derry have is that the knowledge required to win the All-Ireland exists in the county, in places such as Ballinascreen and Swatragh.
I wouldn't be too upset about losing a match in this way. The team was overwhelmed. If Derry do return it won't be with this exact 15. More work is required. Doire abú .
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Good luck to Galway in the final. They were the better team yesterday no doubt about it. Their defensive system totally strangled the life out of the Derry attack. Derry tried everything pushing everyone forward in the second half including Lynch which proved costly but it was probably worth the risk at that stage. Hopefully we can learn from his defeat and come back stronger next year.
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Absolutely. Chances will come around again. Ulster is not Leinster. There is no dominant team. Even if Derry lose in Ulster the Sam Maguire qualifiers are nothing special.
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Don't accept that at all. Galway were in the same boat and grabbed it by both hands. You might never get back again.
Yes I know where you're coming from, and I'm disappointed, we should have have went for it when we were 6 points down. May aswell lose by 60 as 6
But I'm talking about 3 months back, would we have taken this in the middle of July ?
Yes
Why would you take that? I don't get it. Win the fcukin thing.
We weren't enough to win the thing!
That's lazy analysis to say we're in the same boat as Galway they've been in Div 1 4 of the last 5 years and 3 years ago we were in Div 4.
Why does everything have to be so binary "win the All Ireland or you're shite". It's no way that simple. This was a chance for us but we weren't good enough so we'll go away and try to get better. We will 100% be better in 2-3 years time while doing our best in that time.
Yes there are Derry supporters disappointed tonight but we aren't disheartened there are way more positives to come out of this year than just the Galway performance!
We're not the same as Galway they came down from Div 1 last year and we came up from Div 3
Are you non binary ?
Don't accept that line of thinking atall. Derry were level at half time in an All Ireland semi final and blew it. There is no solace in thinking about next year or beyond. Teams they edged this year will regroup next year and come again. That Tyrone squad might never get back to an AI Final but they took it when they'd the door opened. Genuinely think Derry were good enough to win it this year but simply fcuked it up.
I think there'll be more to come from this Derry side in the coming years, but they really need to unearth a couple more quality forwards. When your main scoring threat is coming from the defence then you'll always have problems. Outside of maybe Shane McGuigan there is no one in that forward line you'd fancy on scoring a couple of points a game. And even though McGuigan is their main forward he still doesn't have the same 'x' factor as say a Comer, Clifford or O'Neill.
Ah here, Comer got a couple of goals yesterday (one of which was into an empty net. Couldn't get over how much the commentary team were raving about it as an unreal finish) and O'Neill has been up and down this year. Let's not talk about either of them, at least not yet, having anything like the same X or Y or Z factor as Clifford.
It's perfectly feasible to acknowledge that Derry has a great year, way beyond expectations and accept that they royally fucked it yesterday. One or two players aside, they were dreadful, which wasn't helped by the fact that Gallagher was completely incapable of making any sort of adjustment even as the game was starting to get away from him.
I'm not one of these "change the rules because the football is shite" but Gallagher's style really is horrible. Deserves credit for where he's brought them but don't know how much more there is in them.
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I think there'll be more to come from this Derry side in the coming years, but they really need to unearth a couple more quality forwards. When your main scoring threat is coming from the defence then you'll always have problems. Outside of maybe Shane McGuigan there is no one in that forward line you'd fancy on scoring a couple of points a game. And even though McGuigan is their main forward he still doesn't have the same 'x' factor as say a Comer, Clifford or O'Neill.
I think mcguigan has the potential to be in that bracket. I know Comer is flavour of the month now but I've seen him have average games. Rian also wasn't great in the Galway game. Mcguigan has had a brilliant season but agree needs support. In those tight games if it's not on his left peg I'm not confident Derry can find a score. One obvious improvement will hopefully be the return of McFaul who imo is one of the best players in the country.
Galway had their homework done and adapted during the game.
In the first 20 minutes Derry got a series of short kickouts away and this have Derry a platform to attack.
Once Galway stopped that Derry struggled to win ball of their own kickout.
Galway didn't panic when, like the first 15 minutes of the Armagh game, their forwards were making poor decisions and kicking wides.
Defensively Galway were excellent and they denied Derry the chance to counter attack. They didn't get drawn in and didn't commit silly fouls . They turned Derry over a number of times in the first half and this sucked the life out of Derry. Also you can see that Derry put alot of emphasis on scoring a goal or two in the first half. When that didn't happen and Galway were still in touch you could see that Derry were out of ideas.
Comer was sensational I thought. He got very limited ball but when he was 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1, he scored. Rodgers is a great player but can be got at defensively. Comer did that today with the his first goal and the 2 points in the first half.
I thought the Galway midfield was excellent. Won or broke alot of primary ball and have Galway a great platform.
Also the results maybe highlights that for all the chat, maybe Ulster football isn't as strong as what people think. Galway beat Armagh (and they should have been much more comfortable winners ) and Derry with ease.
Derry had a great year and should take a lot from it.
Rory ball can only take you so far and it was very frustrating to see that Derry only really had the one way of playing . They didn't have a plan b. Like Donegal back in the day they now have to modify the way they play if they are to win an All-Ireland.
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I think there'll be more to come from this Derry side in the coming years, but they really need to unearth a couple more quality forwards. When your main scoring threat is coming from the defence then you'll always have problems. Outside of maybe Shane McGuigan there is no one in that forward line you'd fancy on scoring a couple of points a game. And even though McGuigan is their main forward he still doesn't have the same 'x' factor as say a Comer, Clifford or O'Neill.
Comer may have been man of the match yesterday, but he's not near the level of O'Neill and definitely not Clifford. I think Derry be happy with mcguigan over comer any day.
A few have said it earlier, the team with the better spread of players won, disappointing for Derry to bow out in such a fashion, but they didn't have the imagination or importantly the players willing to try a shot over galway's ultra defensive system. The longer that went on, the more Galway were able to commit to it, safe that Derry couldn't point from distance.
A few other talking points, especially the Hawkeye point. Quite simply what happened can't happen again and doesn't happen in other field sports. Once the decision is made that's it, it can't be revisited as the game changes from that point onwards. If that had been given, it's very likely the ht score would have been 4-3 as there's no basis for the ref playing the extra extra time when comer got galway's last score of the half.
Better team won, but credit to the effort those Derry players made to get there totally unexpectedly and a few years early imo. Gallagher was undoubtedly the catalyst behind it, has been tactically superb for the last 2 years. 3 defeats in two seasons, Donegal once and Galway twice prove that. Pity that changes in the 2nd half didn't show on the pitch as players just had an off day.
I always felt that yesterday's winners will be hugely up against it in the final and that hasn't changed, at best it might be a 2018 style final, half respectable on the scoreboard, but never really a contest in doubt. That said, Galway's defensiveness might keep the first half interesting and it'll be informative to see how Kerry/Dublin go about penetrating it.
you could say the easy quarter final might not have been a help for derry either who knows.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2022, 08:24:21 AM
Don't accept that line of thinking atall. Derry were level at half time in an All Ireland semi final and blew it. There is no solace in thinking about next year or beyond. Teams they edged this year will regroup next year and come again. That Tyrone squad might never get back to an AI Final but they took it when they'd the door opened. Genuinely think Derry were good enough to win it this year but simply fcuked it up.
Throne didn't just roll up and carpe diem last year. All Ireland wins are iterative. Tyrone had lost an all Ireland final 3 years previously. 7 of the 2018 team were on the 2021 team 3 years later. That might give Derry an idea.
8 changes - that allows for players being dropped because they are not good enough, good younger players etc
You could even argue that the Dark ages were part of the process that culminated in the all Ireland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_0YmfMkP4
Derry have a few years to get to Shangri La .
Quote from: Eire90 on July 10, 2022, 09:39:37 AM
you could say the easy quarter final might not have been a help for derry either who knows.
No, that was the game Derry needed, believe me, we were well tested going into that game yesterday, a tight game Vs mayo or Armagh could have gone either way. We had a great year, got a croke park win, scored 5 goals and into an all Ireland semi where we dared dream we might make our third final ever (it might not have been pretty what happened when we got there though).
Doire have given us all a great year. This team will come back from the disappointment of yesterday. This is the way you get experience. Sometimes it's through harsh lessons. Galway are further along the road than us and it showed yesterday but this current Doire team have a developing character which will stand to them. Good luck to Galway in the final. Youse have the players to lift Sam.
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I think there'll be more to come from this Derry side in the coming years, but they really need to unearth a couple more quality forwards. When your main scoring threat is coming from the defence then you'll always have problems. Outside of maybe Shane McGuigan there is no one in that forward line you'd fancy on scoring a couple of points a game. And even though McGuigan is their main forward he still doesn't have the same 'x' factor as say a Comer, Clifford or O'Neill.
Comer may have been man of the match yesterday, but he's not near the level of O'Neill and definitely not Clifford. I think Derry be happy with mcguigan over comer any day.
A few have said it earlier, the team with the better spread of players won, disappointing for Derry to bow out in such a fashion, but they didn't have the imagination or importantly the players willing to try a shot over galway's ultra defensive system. The longer that went on, the more Galway were able to commit to it, safe that Derry couldn't point from distance.
A few other talking points, especially the Hawkeye point. Quite simply what happened can't happen again and doesn't happen in other field sports. Once the decision is made that's it, it can't be revisited as the game changes from that point onwards. If that had been given, it's very likely the ht score would have been 4-3 as there's no basis for the ref playing the extra extra time when comer got galway's last score of the half.
Better team won, but credit to the effort those Derry players made to get there totally unexpectedly and a few years early imo. Gallagher was undoubtedly the catalyst behind it, has been tactically superb for the last 2 years. 3 defeats in two seasons, Donegal once and Galway twice prove that. Pity that changes in the 2nd half didn't show on the pitch as players just had an off day.
I always felt that yesterday's winners will be hugely up against it in the final and that hasn't changed, at best it might be a 2018 style final, half respectable on the scoreboard, but never really a contest in doubt. That said, Galway's defensiveness might keep the first half interesting and it'll be informative to see how Kerry/Dublin go about penetrating it.
Correct about the hawkeye. If the ref doesn't stop the play to look at the decision Derry more than likely get a short kickout away and keep possession to ht. That means they come out in the second half with a lead. It worked badly against Derry yesterday because the Conor Glass point looked clearly inside the post also.
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Don't want to hear anymore talk of Rory being some sort of genius manager. Took a game plan which failed 11 years ago and tried to do it again. Christ even mcguinness has had the sense to stay away knowing that limited safety first approach doesn't work anymore.
Ironically if Derry had of attacked the first half they could have been out of sight.
There is a reason he failed at 3 different teams.
With all that said you'd have thought there was no way possible his team would have destroyed the All Ireland Chanpions in their back yard... he obviously hasn't a clue!
Different dynamic, where we have never lost against Galway in the Championship, for example, and your lads have never won.
But Tyrone have been hammered by Mayo on several occasions
2021 has erased that particular jibe from the Maigh Eo buachaillí, and no better way to eliminate that specific omission than in an AIF itself, however, I was only referencing Galway, not Mayo, so please stick to the subject.
Mayo beat Tyrone twice in the qualifiers, however, 2013 and 2016. So they are winning on away goals.
Let go of the "Hawkeye excuse".
Galway outscored Derry 2-8 to 0-3 between 20th and 70th minutes.
It would have been an almighty mess if Hawkeye had been acting the bollix in the Armagh game as it was so close, but in this case I think Galway were going to win anyway
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I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Derry's process loyalty and lack of Plan b reminds me of The Irish soccer team. With them the question was whether the players were good enough for anything else .
Ultimately Derry lost because they couldn't score enough. Would any other system have worked ? Probably not.
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Derry's process loyalty and lack of Plan b reminds me of The Irish soccer team. With them the question was whether the players were good enough for anything else .
Ultimately Derry lost because they couldn't score enough. Would any other system have worked ? Probably not.
This is it. A limited team will find joy in that rigid defensive system but when a game needs a different approach they have no answers. Tyrone played a variety of different ways last year in their successful All Ireland run. But Derry have no plan B and Gallagher just let them do the same thing over and over in the second half when it wasn't working was disappointing too.
The game was dire. Galway played well in the second 35 but that was it. I watched the Cavan Westmeath game before hand and it was much more enjoyable.
Few other points, Lynch doesn't have the mobility up and down the pitch for the fly goalie role. The goal wasn't his fault Glass got turned over very easily but he was puffed trying to get back a number of times. He didn't offer enough going forward either. Was only a matter of time until he was caught out.
Galway were really well setup on the full press Kickout. I loved that. It was a key part of their success.
Derry's big players were anonymous. Glass, McGuigan, McKague and Herron all very quiet.
Comer and Walsh are serious talents. Thought in the first half they got the Galway charge going when it was all Derry.
Finally Hawkeye is some pile of shite. It's costs €7-€8k per matchday. Ridiculous. GAA would want some rebate from them.
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I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 10, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: ranch on July 10, 2022, 05:58:55 AM
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?
Since 2003
Dublin - 8
Kerry - 5
Tyrone - 4
Cork - 1
Donegal - 1
Can Galway stop another Sam going to the big 3?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 10, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 10, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: ranch on July 10, 2022, 05:58:55 AM
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?
The same argument could be levelled at Armagh, McGeeney apparently decided when training was finished, not the physios, S&C coaches etc. You could argue their fitness played a part in the comeback in the QF. I think yesterday Galway were just the better team on the day, had better individual players and got the rub of the green when it mattered
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
Let go of the "Hawkeye excuse".
Galway outscored Derry 2-8 to 0-3 between 20th and 70th minutes.
You'll be hard pressed to find any poster using Hawkeye as an excuse for losing the game!!!
Quote from: seafoid on July 10, 2022, 11:03:26 AM
Derry's process loyalty and lack of Plan b reminds me of The Irish soccer team. With them the question was whether the players were good enough for anything else .
Ultimately Derry lost because they couldn't score enough. Would any other system have worked ? Probably not.
Which was ultimately down to the defensive team effort by Galway.
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
Let go of the "Hawkeye excuse".
Galway outscored Derry 2-8 to 0-3 between 20th and 70th minutes.
You'll be hard pressed to find any poster using Hawkeye as an excuse for losing the game!!!
Don't think anyone is using Hawkeye as an excuse, but if a team lost a game by a point due to a Hawkeye error it would be unthinkable. It's been shown up as not good enough .gaa should ask for its Money back
A number of posters are saying "if Derry startedvthe second half 1 point up...." and that momentum switched to Galway because the got back that point..
Quote from: JoG2 on July 10, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 10, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: ranch on July 10, 2022, 05:58:55 AM
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?
They didn't look any fitter or faster, because they weren't. Perhaps as humans there is a ceiling regards the S&C stuff
Just the sheer quantity of training sessions alone would take a toll. I dont believe it is sustainable for a group, long term.
Split season will help though.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 10, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 10, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: ranch on July 10, 2022, 05:58:55 AM
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?
Despite what some would have you believe, none of the top teams will have an edge in S&C. When you get to the level of the top counties it will largely boil down to tactics, footballing ability and decision making. Put simply Galway have better footballers than Derry and it showed yesterday. I was impressed by both Galways defence and game management in the last 2 matches, areas that they were previously weak on.
They have the players up front to at least make it a competitive final and will be going in with zero expectation.
No complaints after yesterday. Its been a great year and class to see a buzz again in the county..now to kick on and cement our place in the top 6-8 in the country consistently. 2 or 3 quality players needed to break into the top 3 or 4 yet.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 10, 2022, 03:05:55 PM
No complaints after yesterday. Its been a great year and class to see a buzz again in the county..now to kick on and cement our place in the top 6-8 in the country consistently. 2 or 3 quality players needed to break into the top 3 or 4 yet.
Derry need to get promoted to D1 and should prioritise it.
Playing the likes of Meath and Clare is no use for player development.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 10, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
Since 2003
Dublin - 8
Kerry - 5
Tyrone - 4
Cork - 1
Donegal - 1
Can Galway stop another Sam going to the big 3?
Football didn't begin in 2003 ffs
Congrats to Galway, excellent, controlled second half. Yesterday was not Derry's day but they played some remarkable football in the championship, so credit where credit is due. They looked tired yesterday and the intense training that served them well in championship up to now might have come against them and taken its toll. That said, I always felt in a cautious defensive encounter Galway would come out on top because they are a stronger attacking team, with lots of players comfortable on the ball, vary their attacks and then the machine that is Comer. Just as Derry can very quickly get back into defensive shape, Galway can too. Joyce has added that to their game and must be given credit as he is a manger that quickly learns and adapts. They will still be up against it but have the mystique, the tradition to win on All-Ireland day when they get there.
Quote from: general_lee on July 10, 2022, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 10, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 10, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: ranch on July 10, 2022, 05:58:55 AM
I can't believe Derry just rolled over during HT and agreed that the score from the 45 be allowed.
Gallagher could well have argued that the time it took to check Hawkeye denied Derry the chance for a quick kick out. Galway won the subsequent kick out and Comer scored.
Also, the Glass effort was never shown again after being given wide, despite looking like a point to most people. If the game had been closer at the end the GAA would be in an awkward spot.
The Hawkeye incidents are ridiculous tbh. Hundreds of thousands invested in a system that doesn't work. Is it not probable that the error in the system was technical tá errorred to níl . With glass point also clearly a point . They should scrap hawkeye and get their money back. There have not been enough human errors by umpires to warrant investing in this joke.
That said , and accepting that the ref gave Galway the run of the green on several occasions , Galway were clearly the better side .
Much as they have excellent forwards, their defensive system was actually better than Derry's.
Derry totally dominated the first half but their only scores were ultimately down to brilliant individual evasion to work tap over openings. Other than that Derry didn't look like scoring. Ultimately they were caught out by not having enough forward talent to keep the scoreboard ticking over . But they're young and inexperienced at this level , they'll improve and they'll be hoping a marquee forward or two emerges. Thought mccloskey performance was outstanding, pace, discipline, quality tackling . Ironically his attacking approach highlighted Derry's problem yesterday . He got himself into excellent positions but didn't have the confidence in his shooting ability.
Even though Galway were best with Comer being the main difference, galway's ease of winning and scoring scoreable frees edged them into their position of dominance .
Gallagher has been credited with Derry's success but in reality their underage success over last few years put them in this position . Gallagher's approach was found wanting yesterday , and only a massive improvement in attacking creativity and scoring capability will win them an all-ireland . It's one thing banging in 5 goals in a once off match, it's another breaking down well organised defences of the very top teams. Derry can win an all-ireland but a lot of work to do, it remains to be seen if Gallagher has the qualities to
Lead them there.
Good Post, agree with much of that especially on Gallagher. He has done brilliantly getting Derry back to the level they are at now. But I suspect he will become a hindrance to this team next year. For one, he is so intense and over trains his sides. That takes a toll after a few season's.
Secondly, despite being a classy forward himself his teams lack creativity. They are too risk averse. Forwards are given so much defensive work, their attacking instincts are blunted. Jim and Rorys system was figured out by the dubs 5years ago, and will never win another Sam
Do you think Gallagher will push teams beyond what the GPS stats / S&C experts are saying? How come they didn't look any fitter or faster than Galway yesterday. What would Galway be doing differently training wise that has them in such great shape without over training them?
The same argument could be levelled at Armagh, McGeeney apparently decided when training was finished, not the physios, S&C coaches etc. You could argue their fitness played a part in the comeback in the QF. I think yesterday Galway were just the better team on the day, had better individual players and got the rub of the green when it mattered
So McGeeney and Gallagher are defying sports science and pushing these men beyond and risking injuries? Derry don't have the luxury of risking injury to too many men.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 10, 2022, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 10, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
Since 2003
Dublin - 8
Kerry - 5
Tyrone - 4
Cork - 1
Donegal - 1
Can Galway stop another Sam going to the big 3?
Football didn't begin in 2003 ffs
20 year period. Not that unusual really.
Jog2 did you not see any signs of fatigue yesterday? Very flat second half, despite the fact it was Galway who had a day's less rest after extra time and pens
Are you not at all concerned at the regime Gallagher has had going? As I said before he has done a brilliant job to date, but jesus man, 5 and 6 sessions per week is not sustainable
Tyrone won it last year with 3 per week
Does the quality suffer I wonder, when your out every day? I'm not sure.. Just pondering. Must be excessive financially as well.
Armagh were only doing a few nights a week this year.
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 04:55:33 PM
Jog2 did you not see any signs of fatigue yesterday? Very flat second half, despite the fact it was Galway who had a day's less rest after extra time and pens
Are you not at all concerned at the regime Gallagher has had going? As I said before he has done a brilliant job to date, but jesus man, 5 and 6 sessions per week is not sustainable
Tyrone won it last year with 3 per week
Does the quality suffer I wonder, when your out every day? I'm not sure.. Just pondering. Must be excessive financially as well.
Galway won a lot of turnovers in the second half. They put smacht on Derry. I think those 2 factors were more relevant than fatigue.
In the lead up to the game I thought Derry had the better defence and Galway the better forwards making it a difficult game to predict.
It turns out, the Galway defence was better than Derry too so the won comfortably and deservedly.
Comer took his goals well, but both were the results of mistakes by Derry (Rogers slip for the first, Glass losing the ball for the 2nd), so whilst he had a very good game in terms of winning possession and finishing, I thought Conroy had a better game.
Derry didn't show up yesterday and that's the most disappointing thing. It was our flattest performance this year and our attack just never got going.
I thought mckinless got some harsh treatment early in the game including a shoulder to the chest which he never really recovered from.
Derry should have at least tried a few high balls in given that we had 3/4 in the FF line at times.
I felt sorry for Lynch. I don't think he's comfortable joing the tatack, but he's being sent that way. Not much he could have done for the first goal, and was badly out if position for the 2nd. Kickouts were good, especially in the first half before Galway got to grips with our strategy.
Hawkeye decisions a joke. It was obvious that both the Glass score and the Galway score were points. Galway are granted theirs but not Derry. That's a not on. Once it was passed, they should have have moved on but imo they actually made it worse by rescinding one decision and not the other. All being equal Derry should still have had a 1 point advantage going into the second half. As it happens, it was immaterial to the result but that shouldn't excuse the mistakes and handling of it
I thought the bigger influence on the result was the ref at the start of the 2nd half. 3 soft frees granted to glaway, 2 I thought should have been frees out and the 3rd not even. After. So now rather than Derry being 1 up, we were 3 down and that was game over from there on in as we were chasing it.
Galway adjusted well ta half time and that had a huge bearing on the result.
As disappointing as it was, it's hard not to be happy with the year we've had. We've come out of wilderness to win an Ulster and make a SF. The young players have gained the big game experience and I think management will learn a lot and adapt next year. We may need to add to the management team.
Our minors had a good year, getting knocked out in a SF.
So the future is bright as hopefully more players will filter through.
Good luck to Galway in the final, I think you'll be up against it with Kerry looking like they are clicking. But I genuinely hope they win it.
Good summing up tbrick. Galway defence won it yesterday, their attack was almost as dismal as derry's.
The 10 mins either side of half time were the game. Hawkeye ridiculous decision, then those first 3 frees which were totally at odds with his handling of the game in the first half. Agree with you 2 of them I felt were frees out. I think mckinless duped him once in the first half and he figured it out at half time and resolved to not let it happen again.
But looking at the Galway attack, there was nothing there either. No decent long range scores, one reasonably well worked goal, one resulting from Derry pressing when game was over, 3 very soft frees, one flick over after GK mistake on a high ball, (dubious comer point), a 45 and can't recall the rest off the top of my head.
Defence was phenomenal, totally out derryed Derry, but there was no real attacking at pace the way Derry had in Omagh or versus Monaghan. I can't see it being enough to concern Kerry who unlike Derry won't be afraid to have a pop from 45 and out. Hard to see this game being competitive, but I'd really love it to be a decent game and Galway to come out on top.
Looking at the game today, both Kerry and Dublin attacked with pace. That was the key difference with the Galway V Derry game. Today's game was played at a flat out pace. Derry were very slow in attacking. Only Mc Cluskey and to a lesser extent Rogers, attacked with any pace. The rest of the players were very one paced and slow. Pace really creates the gaps and ultimately the shooting chances.
Galway scored 14 pts. I'm sure the Derry management would have been happy with that pre-game. 10 scores.
Derry will be bitterly disappointed with everything after 15 mins. As I said, without goals, they'll not kick 18 points. Not sure how they improve that. Could have had a few more scores in the first half but poor shot selection, bad shooting and trying to createthe goal chances, as in every game. Galway knew to pack the defence, sit in and not concede goals early on. They did that and blew Derry away in the 2nd half. 6 points down after the goal and Gallagher has no Plan B. Even at 3 pts down, he had no Plan B.
As people have mentioned, try a few high balls in on Gleeson in the first 5mins and get Glass in there to hit him a dunt or two - create panic in there. But disappointed that that wasn't done at all during the game.
In a system like that, a lot of players are essentially grafters and workers with limited ability at the business end of the pitch. 4 or 5 lads who work but won't trouble the scoreboard operator.
Galway have a chance V Kerry.
A lot of folks forgetting that this is a young inexperienced Doire team. Yes it wasn't pretty yesterday but many teams go through days like this before they make the breakthrough. A wee bit of perspective is required. There's a lot of headroom for this Doire team to improve. This year has been a giant leap forward.
Quote from: OakLeaf on July 10, 2022, 09:36:05 PM
A lot of folks forgetting that this is a young inexperienced Doire team. Yes it wasn't pretty yesterday but many teams go through days like this before they make the breakthrough. A wee bit of perspective is required. There's a lot of headroom for this Doire team to improve. This year has been a giant leap forward.
Its not really that young a team though.
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2022, 04:55:33 PM
Jog2 did you not see any signs of fatigue yesterday? Very flat second half, despite the fact it was Galway who had a day's less rest after extra time and pens
Are you not at all concerned at the regime Gallagher has had going? As I said before he has done a brilliant job to date, but jesus man, 5 and 6 sessions per week is not sustainable
Tyrone won it last year with 3 per week
Does the quality suffer I wonder, when your out every day? I'm not sure.. Just pondering. Must be excessive financially as well.
Tbh, maybe after 20mins I would have agreed (maybe the humidity and the occasion / nerves sapping some energy etc) but the team was full of running right to the end. Just had zero penetration, far too lateral.
The 5/6 sessions wouldn't have been intense running sessions, far from it. They have blocks of intense work like all counties do. Recover sessions, and tactic sessions would swell the the collective sessions / week.
You look at the other 3 teams over the weekend and Derry are not ahead fitness / strength wise. Galway physically are bigger, they must be doing a mighty number of sessions.
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Glass's point if we look at it at the time was over post, wide..
The 'foot block' was the ball hitting his foot more him throwing his foot at hom kicking the ball
Benny Herron yes looked like a foul
That aside Derry didn't create enough opportunities or try and break lines to get frees or set up goal chances.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2022, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Glass's point if we look at it at the time was over post, wide..
The 'foot block' was the ball hitting his foot more him throwing his foot at hom kicking the ball
Benny Herron yes looked like a foul
That aside Derry didn't create enough opportunities or try and break lines to get frees or set up goal chances.
Glass's point was more to the inside of the post rather than over the top of it I can't remember did the umpires go to Hawkeye but if Walsh's was showing outside the post surely Glass's could have been more inside.
Cassidy was shooting for goal and the Galway defender had his foot out as well as his hands it wasn't like he was standing there and it hit him his feet moved towards the ball and blocked it.
I know they didn't cause us the game but just really annoying when you don't get the calls you should.
We'll learn the hard way I suppose Sure we're only a small fish 😂
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Lynch is a calamity. Has been since he first took the jersey. I just hope Gallagher has the humility and foresight to get rid of him. Connlan Bradley is a better option at present and surely we've a decent u20 keeper coming through the ranks. It's a major issue of concern going forward!
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2022, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2022, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Glass's point if we look at it at the time was over post, wide..
The 'foot block' was the ball hitting his foot more him throwing his foot at hom kicking the ball
Benny Herron yes looked like a foul
That aside Derry didn't create enough opportunities or try and break lines to get frees or set up goal chances.
Glass's point was more to the inside of the post rather than over the top of it I can't remember did the umpires go to Hawkeye but if Walsh's was showing outside the post surely Glass's could have been more inside.
Cassidy was shooting for goal and the Galway defender had his foot out as well as his hands it wasn't like he was standing there and it hit him his feet moved towards the ball and blocked it.
I know they didn't cause us the game but just really annoying when you don't get the calls you should.
We'll learn the hard way I suppose Sure we're only a small fish 😂
All fair points and they were significant. If we had come out for the second half with a 3 point lead the second half would've been completely different. Galway were the better team in the second half no doubt but those decisions changed the game and they all went for Galway.
Derry could have been 5 points up at half time. It would have been a reflection of their first half dominance but it wouldn't have made a difference. You can't win the all Ireland without a few scoring forwards.
Galway found it much easier to score.
Anybody see or hear anything about the Gards being a bit heavy handed in the Hill on Saturday?
Quote from: LC on July 11, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
Anybody see or hear anything about the Gards being a bit heavy handed in the Hill on Saturday?
Saw the video's that are being circulated.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 11, 2022, 02:14:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Lynch is a calamity. Has been since he first took the jersey. I just hope Gallagher has the humility and foresight to get rid of him. Connlan Bradley is a better option at present and surely we've a decent u20 keeper coming through the ranks. It's a major issue of concern going forward!
Lynch is a quality footballer , and was outstanding in his rye of a needle kickouts . When Galway pushed up he was under pressure as Derry don't currently have enough quality fielders to go long. Derry will look to improve that with perhaps using Bradley more etc.
I remember Niall Morgan and rory beggan being roundly criticised in their youth for making similar mistakes as Lynch. They persevered, and became two of the top keepers of their generation . Derry don't need to press any panic buttons. Consolidate what they have , bolster their panel and s&c over the next couple of years , and they can be real contenders . Ultimately This year was a year too soon for them .
Quote from: 6th sam on July 11, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 11, 2022, 02:14:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Lynch is a calamity. Has been since he first took the jersey. I just hope Gallagher has the humility and foresight to get rid of him. Connlan Bradley is a better option at present and surely we've a decent u20 keeper coming through the ranks. It's a major issue of concern going forward!
Lynch is a quality footballer , and was outstanding in his rye of a needle kickouts . When Galway pushed up he was under pressure as Derry don't currently have enough quality fielders to go long. Derry will look to improve that with perhaps using Bradley more etc.
I remember Niall Morgan and rory beggan being roundly criticised in their youth for making similar mistakes as Lynch. They persevered, and became two of the top keepers of their generation . Derry don't need to press any panic buttons. Consolidate what they have , bolster their panel and s&c over the next couple of years , and they can be real contenders . Ultimately This year was a year too soon for them .
If Lynch was playing the standard keeper role, no-one would have any complaints.
He's being told to play fly keeper and I'd imagine it's going to take time to develop that role.
It takes balls to play that role because in all likelihood you would eventually get caught out. The question isn't about him being a quality keeper, which I think he is, it's about whether playing a fly keeper brings enough positives to justify the risk.
It's unfair on him to say he's a calamity.
He's doing what is instructed. His kickouts are generally excellent and his shot stopping is good.
This has been the only time this year He's been caught out.
I think he's had a decent year and will come back stronger.
Glass was at fault for the second goal. Not the keeper
Derry's accuracy was poor and you can't have that with the system they use.
The turnover that led to the second goal was very sloppy.
24 is very young for a keeper. Cluxton was making big blunders at that age (2003 v Armagh)
I think Derry should stick with him.
Mckinless of Ballinderry was another promising young keeper. Suprised he isn't on the panel
Ultimately Derry need to unearth a few forwards to make the next step. Callum Brown maybe someday? Lachlan Murray took his goal well, hes worth keeping an eye on too.
I still have major reservations on whether forwards can actively progress under Gallaghers management tho. Derry could do worse than listen to Darren McCurrys views on the BBC social, playing as an attacker in that exact same system under Harte.
Quote from: LC on July 11, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
Anybody see or hear anything about the Gards being a bit heavy handed in the Hill on Saturday?
Saturday or Sunday?
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Haven't watched the game back or any of the highlights, but those those 3 incidents stood out for me in the first half. Had a great view of all three and couldn't believe the two frees weren't given. Similarly there was a blatant two arm push in the back of a Galway player, deep into the second half, in front of the Cusack stand, that was given in Derry's favour, didn't understand that decision either.
Galway deserved the victory, but it might have been interesting to see any tactical changes going in at the break with the difference in scores.
Galways defence in the second half was immense, won a serious amount of turn over ball. They'd clearly done their homework on move that Derry have used a lot this year, with the forward cutting behind the defender and moving across to take hand pass. But that seemed to be stopped so many times in the second half. Even the turnover for the second goal, Lynch give it to a static Glass, with nowhere to go and a Galway man in front of him, this didn't happen in other games.
Derry weren't any near how accurate or clinical as they were in the Ulster Championship. Even in the first half when they were in the ascendancy there was a couple of shots i felt they wouldn't have taken on in Ulster, one from McKaigue and one from McGuigan stand out.
Ultimately, Derry fans (new and old) will be happy with how the year went.. to be disappointed walking out of an All-Ireland Semi-Final isn't an awful place to be given how dire things were a couple of years ago. I'm hoping that there is a knock on affect on the schools and clubs and that Derry will be back next year. Fingers crossed they'll be in the mix with Dublin and Kildare for the promotions spots and we unearth/bring through a few more forward talents from the minor teams.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 11, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 11, 2022, 02:14:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Lynch is a calamity. Has been since he first took the jersey. I just hope Gallagher has the humility and foresight to get rid of him. Connlan Bradley is a better option at present and surely we've a decent u20 keeper coming through the ranks. It's a major issue of concern going forward!
Lynch is a quality footballer , and was outstanding in his rye of a needle kickouts . When Galway pushed up he was under pressure as Derry don't currently have enough quality fielders to go long. Derry will look to improve that with perhaps using Bradley more etc.
I remember Niall Morgan and rory beggan being roundly criticised in their youth for making similar mistakes as Lynch. They persevered, and became two of the top keepers of their generation . Derry don't need to press any panic buttons. Consolidate what they have , bolster their panel and s&c over the next couple of years , and they can be real contenders . Ultimately This year was a year too soon for them .
If Lynch was playing the standard keeper role, no-one would have any complaints.
He's being told to play fly keeper and I'd imagine it's going to take time to develop that role.
It takes balls to play that role because in all likelihood you would eventually get caught out. The question isn't about him being a quality keeper, which I think he is, it's about whether playing a fly keeper brings enough positives to justify the risk.
It's unfair on him to say he's a calamity.
He's doing what is instructed. His kickouts are generally excellent and his shot stopping is good.
This has been the only time this year He's been caught out.
I think he's had a decent year and will come back stronger.
He's been pushing upfield in every game Derry played in the championship and it's paid off as he's contributed to quite a few scores. This is the first time it's backfired but it's a risk more and more coaches are taking because the positives outweigh the negatives. He actually had a couple of good chances to score points but put them wide. He's young, a great lad and will develop. Keepers don't reach their peak until late 20s or 30s. Cluxton was a much better keeper in those years than when he started.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 11, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 11, 2022, 02:14:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Lynch is a calamity. Has been since he first took the jersey. I just hope Gallagher has the humility and foresight to get rid of him. Connlan Bradley is a better option at present and surely we've a decent u20 keeper coming through the ranks. It's a major issue of concern going forward!
Lynch is a quality footballer , and was outstanding in his rye of a needle kickouts . When Galway pushed up he was under pressure as Derry don't currently have enough quality fielders to go long. Derry will look to improve that with perhaps using Bradley more etc.
I remember Niall Morgan and rory beggan being roundly criticised in their youth for making similar mistakes as Lynch. They persevered, and became two of the top keepers of their generation . Derry don't need to press any panic buttons. Consolidate what they have , bolster their panel and s&c over the next couple of years , and they can be real contenders . Ultimately This year was a year too soon for them .
If Lynch was playing the standard keeper role, no-one would have any complaints.
He's being told to play fly keeper and I'd imagine it's going to take time to develop that role.
It takes balls to play that role because in all likelihood you would eventually get caught out. The question isn't about him being a quality keeper, which I think he is, it's about whether playing a fly keeper brings enough positives to justify the risk.
It's unfair on him to say he's a calamity.
He's doing what is instructed. His kickouts are generally excellent and his shot stopping is good.
This has been the only time this year He's been caught out.
I think he's had a decent year and will come back stronger.
Galway should have had a goal when keeper punched it out instead of catching the ball. 9 times out of 10 that's a goal. He was lucky.
As for his out the field ramblings, he's not adding anything to Derry. He's making no difference as an attacker - no pace or incisive passing. Had a good idea to fist pass off the ground in the first half but it was poor control and a wasted chance.
Need to be doing 50 m sprints at training if he's going to be pushing out the field. From the Hill camera angle for Comer's second goal, his attempt to get back was poor - just jogging, so he needs to work on that.
Positioning for Clare's second goal was very poor. It'll be a learning experience for him and he needs to keep at it. Every day's a school day and all that.
In fairness, he needs a few others, outwith Glass, to hit if the short kick-out is not on.
Gallagher was giving Lynch instruction in the second half obviously to attack. You'd wonder if he was determined to get an extra man involved, should he have considered actually bringing on an outfield player for Lynch? It's not as if there was a lot of actual goal keeping to be done at that point given how far Galway were ahead and sitting back.
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:31:54 AM
24 is very young for a keeper. Cluxton was making big blunders at that age (2003 v Armagh)
I think Derry should stick with him.
Mckinless of Ballinderry was another promising young keeper. Suprised he isn't on the panel
Ultimately Derry need to unearth a few forwards to make the next step. Callum Brown maybe someday? Lachlan Murray took his goal well, hes worth keeping an eye on too.
I still have major reservations on whether forwards can actively progress under Gallaghers management tho. Derry could do worse than listen to Darren McCurrys views on the BBC social, playing as an attacker in that exact same system under Harte.
My main concern about Goalkeeping is the goalkeeping coach. He was a poor keeper when playing for Derry, imo, so I'm not sure he's the man to have in there as the GK coach. I could be wrong, good players don't always make good coaches so I guess the opposite can also be true.
Talk of Callum Brown is silly imo. By all accounts he's doing well with the oval ball and we just have to forget about him unless he happens to return.
The single most obvious addition to the panel next year would be Ciaran McFaul. He'd be a big plus for us on long kickouts and brings a lot to attack. Hopefully he can be brought back in again.
Murray definately has potential, got a fair bit of time over the league so this year should bring him on.
Not sure what the story is with Tohill. I've watched him in the warmups and he looks huge, fast and fit. Strange he never got a minute, but maybe Gallagher has him there this year to bring him on for next year. I'm assuming he can play up front or MF?
We're probably 3-4 panel players short.
We'll need a Mckaigue replacement in the next couple of years so should be looking at that.
We need some more options in the middle third, possibly McFaul fills that role.
We could also do with a forward or two.
I'm sure the system will evolve, and I think the Clare game was an attempt at doing that (4 men FF line at times).
But we're not too far away imo.
Great to see a team that was second best ;D in Division 2 reach an All Ireland final. Gives great hope to teams outside the top 4.
Quote from: Rudi on July 11, 2022, 11:11:59 AM
Great to see a team that was second best ;D in Division 2 reach an All Ireland final. Gives great hope to teams outside the top 4.
Inspirational stuff for counties that can't even win their divisional final.
If Ulster football was a share the price would have tanked in early trading this morning.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2022, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:31:54 AM
24 is very young for a keeper. Cluxton was making big blunders at that age (2003 v Armagh)
I think Derry should stick with him.
Mckinless of Ballinderry was another promising young keeper. Suprised he isn't on the panel
Ultimately Derry need to unearth a few forwards to make the next step. Callum Brown maybe someday? Lachlan Murray took his goal well, hes worth keeping an eye on too.
I still have major reservations on whether forwards can actively progress under Gallaghers management tho. Derry could do worse than listen to Darren McCurrys views on the BBC social, playing as an attacker in that exact same system under Harte.
My main concern about Goalkeeping is the goalkeeping coach. He was a poor keeper when playing for Derry, imo, so I'm not sure he's the man to have in there as the GK coach. I could be wrong, good players don't always make good coaches so I guess the opposite can also be true.
Talk of Callum Brown is silly imo. By all accounts he's doing well with the oval ball and we just have to forget about him unless he happens to return.
The single most obvious addition to the panel next year would be Ciaran McFaul. He'd be a big plus for us on long kickouts and brings a lot to attack. Hopefully he can be brought back in again.
Murray definately has potential, got a fair bit of time over the league so this year should bring him on.
Not sure what the story is with Tohill. I've watched him in the warmups and he looks huge, fast and fit. Strange he never got a minute, but maybe Gallagher has him there this year to bring him on for next year. I'm assuming he can play up front or MF?
We're probably 3-4 panel players short.
We'll need a Mckaigue replacement in the next couple of years so should be looking at that.
We need some more options in the middle third, possibly McFaul fills that role.
We could also do with a forward or two.
I'm sure the system will evolve, and I think the Clare game was an attempt at doing that (4 men FF line at times).
But we're not too far away imo.
Not a very skillful player tbh
Quote from: mouview on July 11, 2022, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: LC on July 11, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
Anybody see or hear anything about the Gards being a bit heavy handed in the Hill on Saturday?
Saturday or Sunday?
Naw our fans deserved it. Make total tits of themselves. far too many bandwagoners only interested in getting clean pished.
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 11:23:54 AM
If Ulster football was a share the price would have tanked in early trading this morning.
Coming down from the peak of 2022. Connaught's is on the rise but from a very low baseline.
"Derry's system reliant on counterattacking and scoring, with the energy driving Derry's momentum. Instead they were constantly turned over
and Galway kept on counterattacking" (in a form of reverse catenaccio )
@43:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHExmnaUMuI
My main concern about Goalkeeping is the goalkeeping coach. He was a poor keeper when playing for Derry, imo, so I'm not sure he's the man to have in there as the GK coach. I could be wrong, good players don't always make good coaches so I guess the opposite can also be true.
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Who's the goalkeeper coach?
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 11, 2022, 01:34:29 PM
My main concern about Goalkeeping is the goalkeeping coach. He was a poor keeper when playing for Derry, imo, so I'm not sure he's the man to have in there as the GK coach. I could be wrong, good players don't always make good coaches so I guess the opposite can also be true.
Who's the goalkeeper coach?
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Postie.
Having absolutely no personal knowledge of the lads coaching you've managed to totally write it off whilst also saying he was a very poor keeper - madness of the highest order.
It's a strange one for me that Gallagher is so system oriented and risk averse, but asked the young lad to play fly goalie. If he wanted to price in a bit of jeopardy, a few high balls into the square would have been a better bet. Watching McKaigue sky a shot and the goalie having a shot blocked after telegraphing it, both would have been better slung in to the back stick. Galway couldn't deal with it against Armagh and you can be sure Kerry will be bombing them in.
Galway will have had 4 weeks to address it
Quote from: Sportacus on July 11, 2022, 03:34:19 PM
It's a strange one for me that Gallagher is so system oriented and risk averse, but asked the young lad to play fly goalie. If he wanted to price in a bit of jeopardy, a few high balls into the square would have been a better bet. Watching McKaigue sky a shot and the goalie having a shot blocked after telegraphing it, both would have been better slung in to the back stick. Galway couldn't deal with it against Armagh and you can be sure Kerry will be bombing them in.
This is one thing that has annoyed me from looking at football lately. I understand keepers have to change going forward and you have to be much more comfortable on the ball than in previous years but there's some teams at a point where players can't risk a forward pass or a shot that's not nailed on but you expect the keeper to thread a pass through a crowd from the tee and then he's the only one taking a risk by going forward with the ball. Lynch didn't do much wrong on Saturday but was made look bad. Most keepers aren't up to that no matter what they say or think.
I've seen keepers on twitter championing Ethan Rafferty, saying we can play out surely, but he's proving that if you're going that way it's a midfielder you need in that position not a keeper that played midfield for his club at U16s.
Well, when we played 7s, the best coaches I ever played under always put the best player in goals.
They were the sweeper, the man over and the playmaker all rolled into one.
I think teams need to be a bit wiser to it, if the goalie moves out, others shuffle back one, similar to if a corner back is on the overlap - the fellas know to ensure one hangs. Yeah, your removing the physical man over in the reshuffle, but by the time the other team gets themselves organised, they'll struggle to ripple back the freed up man to markup onto the goalie.
In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
Quote from: onefineday on July 12, 2022, 01:17:47 AM
In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
I think the criticism of lynch is way over the top. His kick outs are good. He got caught out for the comer goal but it 100% Glass's fault. Playing the way he is instructed is extremely high risk compared to any other position on the pitch and I cant think of any key moment this year where he cost Derry. The Clare second goal perhaps but the game was over.
Quote from: Mario on July 12, 2022, 07:59:10 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 12, 2022, 01:17:47 AM
In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
I think the criticism of lynch is way over the top. His kick outs are good. He got caught out for the comer goal but it 100% Glass's fault. Playing the way he is instructed is extremely high risk compared to any other position on the pitch and I cant think of any key moment this year where he cost Derry. The Clare second goal perhaps but the game was over.
Totally agree that he's only doing what he's told, although you'd question the wisdom of that instruction. Don't like criticising for that, but his goalkeeping has not been up to scratch in the last 3 matches either. One Donegal goal and nearly another, 2 clare goals and contributory to Galway goal and nearly another. Maybe it's because of the outfield duties imposed on him, if that's the case it's time someone did a cost benefit analysis and worked out of it makes sense or not, it doesn't seem to.
One thing is guaranteed in football at the minute
You won't win an All Ireland without a top class goalkeeper. Lynch is just average in terms of shot stopping, outfield play, high ball & a bit better at kickouts ( although Galway dismantled him in League & he was at major fault earlier in Sigerson cup). This will be a major reason why Galway won't win it.
Kerry keeper Ryan looks very good - although Morgan & Beggan are the two best around. With Morgan tipping it for me as he is brilliant under high ball.
Quote from: onefineday on July 12, 2022, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: Mario on July 12, 2022, 07:59:10 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 12, 2022, 01:17:47 AM
In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
I think the criticism of lynch is way over the top. His kick outs are good. He got caught out for the comer goal but it 100% Glass's fault. Playing the way he is instructed is extremely high risk compared to any other position on the pitch and I cant think of any key moment this year where he cost Derry. The Clare second goal perhaps but the game was over.
Totally agree that he's only doing what he's told, although you'd question the wisdom of that instruction. Don't like criticising for that, but his goalkeeping has not been up to scratch in the last 3 matches either. One Donegal goal and nearly another, 2 clare goals and contributory to Galway goal and nearly another. Maybe it's because of the outfield duties imposed on him, if that's the case it's time someone did a cost benefit analysis and worked out of it makes sense or not, it doesn't seem to.
Totally caught at sea for both Clare goals unfortunately
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In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
I think the criticism of lynch is way over the top. His kick outs are good. He got caught out for the comer goal but it 100% Glass's fault. Playing the way he is instructed is extremely high risk compared to any other position on the pitch and I cant think of any key moment this year where he cost Derry. The Clare second goal perhaps but the game was over.
Totally agree that he's only doing what he's told, although you'd question the wisdom of that instruction. Don't like criticising for that, but his goalkeeping has not been up to scratch in the last 3 matches either. One Donegal goal and nearly another, 2 clare goals and contributory to Galway goal and nearly another. Maybe it's because of the outfield duties imposed on him, if that's the case it's time someone did a cost benefit analysis and worked out of it makes sense or not, it doesn't seem to.
Totally caught at sea for both Clare goals unfortunately
Best keeper we have on the panel though and it's not close for me
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
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Quote from: onefineday on July 12, 2022, 01:17:47 AM
In terms of goalkeeping, lynch didn't inspire confidence over the course of the championship, looked dodgy against Donegal, was awful for both Clare goals, not great on Comer's first and his forward play contributed to the second with the pass and then a run across glass which contributed to the turnover. He was also fortunate that the palm of the high ball in the 2nd half only resulted in a point.
So I assume he's not there for his shot stopping, I don't fault him for his forward forays, they're obviously forced on him, but barring the goal v Monaghan, what have they contributed - and he does have to try and get back a bit quicker, at least for the look of it if nothing else.
Kickouts are okay, but he can be got at and I felt lack of length over the Galway press on Saturday was a huge problem for Derry.
I think the criticism of lynch is way over the top. His kick outs are good. He got caught out for the comer goal but it 100% Glass's fault. Playing the way he is instructed is extremely high risk compared to any other position on the pitch and I cant think of any key moment this year where he cost Derry. The Clare second goal perhaps but the game was over.
Totally agree that he's only doing what he's told, although you'd question the wisdom of that instruction. Don't like criticising for that, but his goalkeeping has not been up to scratch in the last 3 matches either. One Donegal goal and nearly another, 2 clare goals and contributory to Galway goal and nearly another. Maybe it's because of the outfield duties imposed on him, if that's the case it's time someone did a cost benefit analysis and worked out of it makes sense or not, it doesn't seem to.
Totally caught at sea for both Clare goals unfortunately
Best keeper we have on the panel though and it's not close for me
Yeah id probably stick with him
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 11, 2022, 08:20:02 PM
Well, when we played 7s, the best coaches I ever played under always put the best player in goals.
They were the sweeper, the man over and the playmaker all rolled into one.
I think teams need to be a bit wiser to it, if the goalie moves out, others shuffle back one, similar to if a corner back is on the overlap - the fellas know to ensure one hangs. Yeah, your removing the physical man over in the reshuffle, but by the time the other team gets themselves organised, they'll struggle to ripple back the freed up man to markup onto the goalie.
The thing is, they need to be goalkeepers first. Good shot stoppers, good kickout, ability to command the square. That is getting a bit lost in this new fly goalie role. If a team dominates the game with a fly goalie those areas don't get exposed, but if they don't, then they get brutally exposed. If they can tick those boxes and offer an attacking dimension and place ball kicking option then that's the ideal scenario. No one yet has been able to do everything. Cluxton got very close.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Helps if you've no goalkeeper though :D
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Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
At the time I thought he'd over hit it. It just dipped beautifully at the last second.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Helps if you've no goalkeeper though :D
The Derry goalie was caught out of position before the goal as well. Derry didn't have the accuracy for such nonsense
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40916315.html
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Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Joins some famous names on the list of goals into open nets in Croke Park.
- Mikey Sheehy v Dublin 1978
- Barney Rock v Galway 1983
- James Horan v Kerry 1996
Restricting it to championship. If I included league, I'd have to include Barney Rock in ET v Cork in 87 league final against no opposition which shouldn't really count.
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Quote from: God14 on July 12, 2022, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Joins some famous names on the list of goals into open nets in Croke Park.
- Mikey Sheehy v Dublin 1978
- Barney Rock v Galway 1983
- James Horan v Kerry 1996
Restricting it to championship. If I included league, I'd have to include Barney Rock in ET v Cork in 87 league final against no opposition which shouldn't really count.
Similar . Goalie kicks to Donaghy and is off line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3M7YOCkkCY
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0710/1309489-mcconville-no-ceiling-for-derry-despite-galway-loss/
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Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2022, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 12, 2022, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
The second Galway goal was technically superb. 2 inch perfect kicks.
It really was a beauty, I've watched it back quite a few times.
Joins some famous names on the list of goals into open nets in Croke Park.
- Mikey Sheehy v Dublin 1978
- Barney Rock v Galway 1983
- James Horan v Kerry 1996
Restricting it to championship. If I included league, I'd have to include Barney Rock in ET v Cork in 87 league final against no opposition which shouldn't really count.
Similar . Goalie kicks to Donaghy and is off line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3M7YOCkkCY
Not sure if that counts as an empty bet, by the time Donaghy shoots, the goalie is almost in the position you'd expect him for a normal one on one.
Donaghy's first goal v Cork in the 07 final is another. Possibly his 2nd goal in the same game also .
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Just re-watched it.
- Herron trip was free in.
- Very obvious foot block.
- Hawkeye decision was massive momentum change.
- 3 very handy frees to start the second half ended the game.
- It was painful to watch Derry player after player not take on the shot in the second half, or play the long ball in when they actually had men up. They had plenty of opportunities from 35 yds odd, but time and again turned them down.
- Galway were almost as poor attacking as Derry. Didn't score for 20 mins, then managed 4 (3😉) before ht. Got 3 soft frees and a goal in the next 10 mins and only managed another goal and a point in the remaining 30 mins. The keeper was roaming for the goal and the point was a keeper error.
- Comer was the best player on the pitch, really made it happen for Galway and dragged them to victory.
- Galway defence was excellent as was their second half press on the kickouts.
- Had to be a hard watch for a neutral!
No complaints, the better team won, but it's hard to see them being competitive in the final.
A foot block is to stop injury when the studs are coming down directly on a kicking players foot. Not sure someone getting their calf in the way of shot is a foot block.
Keep seeing comments about these 3 soft frees. The first one is a stone wall pull before the ball arrives on Finnerty so that one can be forgotten about. The second one, McHugh in the buildup is possibly high, ref let's play go in accordance to how the game was being played and there's a clear touch on the ground afterwards for the free. It's a 50/50 one that in another game would've been a free out so can accept that one. The third is soft yes but it's a tug on the arm and all tugs on arms and jersey have been given by all refs this year. In standard gaa games it's soft however
Not sure how there's such a discussion on Hawkeye. What were they supposed to do? It'd be a farce if it wasn't given
Agreed that Derry snuffed out the Galway attack well the last day. Given that Galways forwards were vastly superior than the oppositions in basically every game this year bar the league final, I dont think they'll be two worried about 1 down performance against a few excellent man markers. As much as the defence has improved, that's still the worry point going into Sunday week
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Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Just re-watched it.
- Herron trip was free in.
- Very obvious foot block.
- Hawkeye decision was massive momentum change.
- 3 very handy frees to start the second half ended the game.
- It was painful to watch Derry player after player not take on the shot in the second half, or play the long ball in when they actually had men up. They had plenty of opportunities from 35 yds odd, but time and again turned them down.
- Galway were almost as poor attacking as Derry. Didn't score for 20 mins, then managed 4 (3😉) before ht. Got 3 soft frees and a goal in the next 10 mins and only managed another goal and a point in the remaining 30 mins. The keeper was roaming for the goal and the point was a keeper error.
- Comer was the best player on the pitch, really made it happen for Galway and dragged them to victory.
- Galway defence was excellent as was their second half press on the kickouts.
- Had to be a hard watch for a neutral!
No complaints, the better team won, but it's hard to see them being competitive in the final.
No complaints, just a nice set of bullet points on your
complaints observations
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Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I have 3 complaints about the first half
1. Why was the Glass score not given when Walsh's was
2. There was a clear footblock from a scoreable position
3. Benny Heron was tripped at the top of the D and should have been a free in
No conplaints about the second half other than the keeper jogging back to goal when he was caught up the pitch. He mightn't have made it but jesus make an effort!!
Just re-watched it.
- Herron trip was free in.
- Very obvious foot block.
- Hawkeye decision was massive momentum change.
- 3 very handy frees to start the second half ended the game.
- It was painful to watch Derry player after player not take on the shot in the second half, or play the long ball in when they actually had men up. They had plenty of opportunities from 35 yds odd, but time and again turned them down.
- Galway were almost as poor attacking as Derry. Didn't score for 20 mins, then managed 4 (3😉) before ht. Got 3 soft frees and a goal in the next 10 mins and only managed another goal and a point in the remaining 30 mins. The keeper was roaming for the goal and the point was a keeper error.
- Comer was the best player on the pitch, really made it happen for Galway and dragged them to victory.
- Galway defence was excellent as was their second half press on the kickouts.
- Had to be a hard watch for a neutral!
No complaints, the better team won, but it's hard to see them being competitive in the final.
No complaints, just a nice set of bullet points on your complaints observations
In fairness I think Onefineday's analysis is spot on here?
Although... that is a beautiful use of the substrike and a nice play on complaints/observations!
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Still think Kerry, unlike Derry, will try a few long diagonal balls into the square early on in the final. Be hard to see the Kerrymen miss an opportunity like that.
Gallagher and his management team disappointed me in that respect - very poor indeed I thought.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
Still think Kerry, unlike Derry, will try a few long diagonal balls into the square early on in the final. Be hard to see the Kerrymen miss an opportunity like that.
Gallagher and his management team disappointed me in that respect - very poor indeed I thought.
With the likes of Clifford in there, they would be mad not to try it.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Derry were making no progress against the Galway defence so the goalie was sent to the front. Galway were more accurate than any other team Derry had played. So the turnover was punished severely. That was the end of the match.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
Still think Kerry, unlike Derry, will try a few long diagonal balls into the square early on in the final. Be hard to see the Kerrymen miss an opportunity like that.
Gallagher and his management team disappointed me in that respect - very poor indeed I thought.
It was bizarre, but it wasn't a management issue. In the second half you could see them setting up for it time and again, but the players outfield kept on taking an extra pass instead of either shooting or lobbing it in to the 3 or often 4 men standing inside waiting.
In fairness to lynch, when he was blocked down by mcdaid (who had another excellent game) it looks like he was trying to play it into the square.
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Derry were making no progress against the Galway defence so the goalie was sent to the front. Galway were more accurate than any other team Derry had played. So the turnover was punished severely. That was the end of the match.
It was definitely over with the first goal, and at the game it felt over when it got to 6-4!
Don't understand the 'accuracy' point?
We're allowed a wee bit of a bellyache MR2.
What's annoying about the post game commentary has been derry's negativity versus galway's positive attitude which won them the game. Mcstay has a big article about it the other day and it's a common narrative - two pure football teams in the final and other such nonsense.
Imo it doesn't bear up to scrutiny. Like many games it turned on a few critical moments, in this one they were either side of half time. I'm quite sure if you looked at time in opposition half etc Derry would probably have at least twice as much time if not more (I'm not saying it was constructive or imaginative and you know my thoughts on keep ball), but Galway offered very little up front either, hence the long periods of inactivity on the scoreboard.
One other bullet point I omitted, the ref had caught onto mckinless by the second half. I hadn't really noticed that side of his game in the previous matches, but it seemed like every time he was in contact he tried to manufacture a free, the ref, probably rightly adopted a fool me once attitude...
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
Still think Kerry, unlike Derry, will try a few long diagonal balls into the square early on in the final. Be hard to see the Kerrymen miss an opportunity like that.
Gallagher and his management team disappointed me in that respect - very poor indeed I thought.
With the likes of Clifford in there, they would be mad not to try it.
It's a key part of their game and has been throughout the Clifford era. He's 6ft 4, built like a tank and the best footballer I've ever seen, at times (understandablly) their gameplan is as simple as 'get it into David'.
Quote from: onefineday on July 14, 2022, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Derry were making no progress against the Galway defence so the goalie was sent to the front. Galway were more accurate than any other team Derry had played. So the turnover was punished severely. That was the end of the match.
It was definitely over with the first goal, and at the game it felt over when it got to 6-4!
Don't understand the 'accuracy' point?
Derry would have gotten away with that turnover in another match. Galway had the ball in the net in 2 moves. Also in the second half the Derry forwards couldn't get into shooting position whereas in the Clare match they scored 5 goals. The skill levels get higher the deeper into the competition you go.
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:07:55 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 14, 2022, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Derry were making no progress against the Galway defence so the goalie was sent to the front. Galway were more accurate than any other team Derry had played. So the turnover was punished severely. That was the end of the match.
It was definitely over with the first goal, and at the game it felt over when it got to 6-4!
Don't understand the 'accuracy' point?
Derry would have gotten away with that turnover in another match. Galway had the ball in the net in 2 moves. Also in the second half the Derry forwards couldn't get into shooting position whereas in the Clare match they scored 5 goals. The skill levels get higher the deeper into the competition you go.
To be fair, if Derry had played any of the remaining 3 teams, and that turnover had happened, it would have been a goal, good teams and players wouldn't let an opportunity like that pass by for sure.
Derry can be proud of the year they have had and all being well, they should be fit to compete at the top level for the next few years for sure.
At least they're back from the wilderness they'd sank into in recent times.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
In relation to the goal when the goalie was up the field. If there was a turnover and the ball delivered to Comer in the clear the he had a very good chance of scoring a goal even if the goalie was in place. If you leave a good forward with only one man marking him then any turnover is dangerous.
Derry were making no progress against the Galway defence so the goalie was sent to the front. Galway were more accurate than any other team Derry had played. So the turnover was punished severely. That was the end of the match.
It was definitely over with the first goal, and at the game it felt over when it got to 6-4!
Don't understand the 'accuracy' point?
Derry would have gotten away with that turnover in another match. Galway had the ball in the net in 2 moves. Also in the second half the Derry forwards couldn't get into shooting position whereas in the Clare match they scored 5 goals. The skill levels get higher the deeper into the competition you go.
To be fair, if Derry had played any of the remaining 3 teams, and that turnover had happened, it would have been a goal, good teams and players wouldn't let an opportunity like that pass by for sure.
Derry can be proud of the year they have had and all being well, they should be fit to compete at the top level for the next few years for sure.
True, Dublin in particular. See how they immediately pounced on David Moran's mistake to score a goal and there was a lot more work to do for Moran's turnover than Glass's.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
At least they're back from the wilderness they'd sank into in recent times.
Derry are 10th on the list of allstars since 1970 so it's about time they returned to the big stage
1 Kerry 148
2 Dublin 140
3 Cork 64
4 Tyrone 57
5 Mayo 54
6 Meath 49
7 Galway 38
8 Donegal 34
9 Offaly 30
10 Derry 27
11 Armagh 24
12 Down 23
13 Kildare 15
14 Roscom. 15
15 Monaghan 13
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
What changed in Tyrone to ensure consistency. Obviously knocking on the door for a long long time but 4 all Ireland this century. What changed there?
Quote from: charlieTully on July 14, 2022, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
What changed in Tyrone to ensure consistency. Obviously knocking on the door for a long long time but 4 all Ireland this century. What changed there?
One thing was intensity
Many won't admit it but mickey Harte changed.
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
;D ;D ;D ;D some craic
Quote from: charlieTully on July 14, 2022, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
What changed in Tyrone to ensure consistency. Obviously knocking on the door for a long long time but 4 all Ireland this century. What changed there?
The 'siege mentality'
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
Kerry under O'Connor and Tally are defending better this year, Might score one goal however between slim and none that they would concede three goals again to Tyrone.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
Kerry under O'Connor and Tally are defending better this year, Might score one goal however between slim and none that they would concede three goals again to Tyrone.
Mmm not so sure. Dublin would have beat them with con and looked a nervous side in the 2nd half.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
Kerry under O'Connor and Tally are defending better this year, Might score one goal however between slim and none that they would concede three goals again to Tyrone.
Yeah, also this year's Kerry team would have had a lot less loss of possessions from bringing the ball into contact compared to last year. That benefits Kerry twofold, from scoring more by patiently working the ball into scoreable positions instead of going into blind alleys and conceding less from quick counters after loss of possessions.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
Feel free to go and win it then.
The old Derry mentality always looking for excuses. For someone to blame. You only won it cause everyone else was shit. A county of excuses of bluffers. When you did win it in 93 they couldn't wait to knife Coleman and get rid. A bunch of spoofers.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
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Quote from: trailer on July 14, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
Well said, makes a nonsense out of "last year's Tyrone would beat this year's Kerry"
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
They beat this years Kerry in Kerry only months ago! Like you said it's all opinions but there are also facts
.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
They beat this years Kerry in Kerry only months ago! Like you said it's all opinions but there are also facts
.
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
They beat this years Kerry in Kerry only months ago! Like you said it's all opinions but there are also facts
.
Adding a bit of balance the dynamics of that game were poles apart for both teams.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
They beat this years Kerry in Kerry only months ago! Like you said it's all opinions but there are also facts
.
Adding a bit of balance the dynamics of that game were poles apart for both teams.
OK just so I get this right. Tyrone beat last years Kerry, but this years Tyrone wouldn't beat this years Kerry even though this years Tyrone did beat them in Kerry earlier in the year.
You lads are f**king mental.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
Feel free to go and win it then.
The old Derry mentality always looking for excuses. For someone to blame. You only won it cause everyone else was shit. A county of excuses of bluffers. When you did win it in 93 they couldn't wait to knife Coleman and get rid. A bunch of spoofers.
Trailer, I don't see any Derry posters in these replies except for one saying we were well beaten?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 14, 2022, 09:28:24 AM
Ach we were well beat and the scoreline flattered us, but good progress made
Derry don't often win the Ulster title and it's a good foundation to build on
They will implode. It's Derry. They always implode.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Tyrone only got 2 all stars in 2018, the year of the all Ireland final. It took another 2 years of mediocrity before the prize
It took a season of mediocrity to claim the prize. They were the best of an average lot!
This year another season of mediocrity. Tyrone of last year would have beat the Kerry team at the weekend.
I'm not sure about that, any All Ireland is hard to win and deserves respect. However the standard has signficantly increased this year on last, with new teams adding depth to the championship.
Dublin were unlucky to lose Con but I'd say this years Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry and Armagh teams would of given Tyrone of last year more than a game.
Kerry, Monaghan and Mayo all gave Tyrone games. They won two of them games by a point! Any team that wins an AI from Ulster deserves huge respect. It is the hardest province to win and to go and beat the best of the rest deserves huge respect. Unlike Munster or Leinster there are no soft AIs won by Ulster teams.
I don't disagree in the sense any All Ireland is hard to win, and those winners deserve respect for being the best that particular year.
It's all opinions but I think Kerry have developed further in a year, as have very good Galway and Armagh teams with Dublin settling in the championship, to almost get near their previous levels, luck with injuries cost them.
Tyrone of last year would of competed well this year and went close but not sure they would of beat the current Kerry, Dublin or Galway teams in particular; the 2022 championship has been very good in my opinion with a lot of quality and depth. The 2023 championship will be stronger again, we have a good few years ahead for football.
They beat this years Kerry in Kerry only months ago! Like you said it's all opinions but there are also facts
.
Adding a bit of balance the dynamics of that game were poles apart for both teams.
OK just so I get this right. Tyrone beat last years Kerry, but this years Tyrone wouldn't beat this years Kerry even though this years Tyrone did beat them in Kerry earlier in the year.
You lads are f**king mental.
Trailer, if you can't see that Tyrone 21 were a shadow of Tyrone 22....well, all chance of rational conversation is out the window. It's night and day man.
Think you mean Tyrone 22 were a shadow of Tyrone 21.
Which is true, so can people please stop saying Tyrone 21 were the worst champions ever. You cannot compare them to this years squad.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2022, 11:19:52 PM
Think you mean Tyrone 22 were a shadow of Tyrone 21.
Which is true, so can people please stop saying Tyrone 21 were the worst champions ever. You cannot compare them to this years squad.
Would you actually care? The score on the door is four. There's been other years we've been equally as strong if not stronger than last year. But didn't get an AI. So if it was a lucky one last year, so be it. Doesn't degrade it or make it any the less sweeter. The fact it came a little out of the blue nearly makes it sweeter.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 15, 2022, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2022, 11:19:52 PM
Think you mean Tyrone 22 were a shadow of Tyrone 21.
Which is true, so can people please stop saying Tyrone 21 were the worst champions ever. You cannot compare them to this years squad.
Would you actually care? The score on the door is four. There's been other years we've been equally as strong if not stronger than last year. But didn't get an AI. So if it was a lucky one last year, so be it. Doesn't degrade it or make it any the less sweeter. The fact it came a little out of the blue nearly makes it sweeter.
Was your best
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
Comparing the team that started that day to the one last Sunday - , against Tyrone, Kerry were missing Sean O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, Shane Ryan, Gavin White, David Moran and Jack Barry.
So this includes RTÉ's Motm and Sky Sports' Motm from last Sunday.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 16, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
Comparing the team that started that day to the one last Sunday - , against Tyrone, Kerry were missing Sean O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, Shane Ryan, Gavin White, David Moran and Jack Barry.
So this includes RTÉ's Motm and Sky Sports' Motm from last Sunday.
Ye could of done with then lads against Tyrone in championship last year.
Kerry were beaten in 2021 lads, FFS sin é, tough shit Kerry, get over it, just weren't good enough! :P
Quote from: blanketattack on July 16, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
Comparing the team that started that day to the one last Sunday - , against Tyrone, Kerry were missing Sean O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, Shane Ryan, Gavin White, David Moran and Jack Barry.
So this includes RTÉ's Motm and Sky Sports' Motm from last Sunday.
At least 3 of those players still came on to try and win the game that day for Kerry.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 16, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
Comparing the team that started that day to the one last Sunday - , against Tyrone, Kerry were missing Sean O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, Shane Ryan, Gavin White, David Moran and Jack Barry.
So this includes RTÉ's Motm and Sky Sports' Motm from last Sunday.
Paudie Clifford played against Tyrone
Quote from: OrchardOrange on July 16, 2022, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 16, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 15, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Because league games between Tyrone and Kerry are a great indicator of Championship form🙄, especially when one team is fighting for league survival and the other is resting players in a dead rubber game for them, a week before the league final
Who were Kerry resting that day? David Moran and Seanie O'Shea were out injured and didn't play in the final either.
Kerry had a very strong team lined out that day imo. If they were going to rest anyone it would have been David Clifford but they didn't.
Comparing the team that started that day to the one last Sunday - , against Tyrone, Kerry were missing Sean O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, Shane Ryan, Gavin White, David Moran and Jack Barry.
So this includes RTÉ's Motm and Sky Sports' Motm from last Sunday.
Paudie Clifford played against Tyrone
The devil's in the detail.