Dublin v Mayo 2020 All-Ireland final

[Lar Naparka]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-dublin-as-far-ahead-of-the-pack-as-they-ever-were-1.4443145

When Durcan had to go off, you'd imagine that if Horan thought Keith Higgins was anywhere near the player he was, that's where he'd have turned. When Brian Howard was having such an impact off the bench at midfield, it looked a ready-made job for Tom Parsons. Horan obviously doesn't see them that way now – which is fair enough, since he sees far more of them than anybody.
It does say something about the Mayo panel, all the same. The team that eventually beats Dublin will need to have match-winners coming off the bench. Mayo seem further away than ever on that score.
They gave the Dubs a game on Saturday night. But that's not the same as actually threatening to win it. On that score, Dublin are as far ahead as they ever were.

I think that's a very fair assessment.
I always felt that in the epic contests in recent years, the main difference between Mayo and the Dubs was the quality on the bench.
WE can talk about soft goal and controversial reffing decisions and anything else you like but Gavin and Farrell could always call in replacements that would be first choice on any other team in the country.
I think a step in the right dirscetion would be to revert to the practice of allowing no more than 3 subs in any match.

[galwayman]

There's a lot of talk about Howard and Mannion not starting for Dublin. I know Howard was struggling with a back injury for a while so that's a contributing factor. I actually think though that Dessie was happy enough to keep them in reserve for the impact that they could have off the bench.
Realistically are they going to get the same bounce out of Paddy Small or Sean Bugler off the bench? Unlikely.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-dublin-as-far-ahead-of-the-pack-as-they-ever-were-1.4443145

When Durcan had to go off, you'd imagine that if Horan thought Keith Higgins was anywhere near the player he was, that's where he'd have turned. When Brian Howard was having such an impact off the bench at midfield, it looked a ready-made job for Tom Parsons. Horan obviously doesn't see them that way now – which is fair enough, since he sees far more of them than anybody.
It does say something about the Mayo panel, all the same. The team that eventually beats Dublin will need to have match-winners coming off the bench. Mayo seem further away than ever on that score.
They gave the Dubs a game on Saturday night. But that's not the same as actually threatening to win it. On that score, Dublin are as far ahead as they ever were.

I think that's a very fair assessment.
I always felt that in the epic contests in recent years, the main difference between Mayo and the Dubs was the quality on the bench.
WE can talk about soft goal and controversial reffing decisions and anything else you like but Gavin and Farrell could always call in replacements that would be first choice on any other team in the country.
I think a step in the right dirscetion would be to revert to the practice of allowing no more than 3 subs in any match.

The 4 areas the Dubs have the advantage in v Mayo /Kerry would be

Subs
Strength and conditioning after 55 minutes
Experience as a team
Loss of senior players with experience

It's not clear if tweaking subs and reducing to 60 mins would fix the problem.

[The Hill is Blue]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

[seafoid]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

[larryin89]

"
" "Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment""

Mayo havent won it since 1951

[The Hill is Blue]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

[seafoid]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

[The Hill is Blue]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

I think you'll find that the Dubs play the Momentum Strategy.

[seafoid]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

I think you'll find that the Dubs play the Momentum Strategy.

The future is never linear

[The Hill is Blue]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

I think you'll find that the Dubs play the Momentum Strategy.

The future is never linear

That's what I've always argued. The Thousand Year Reich will eventually meet a bump in the road and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about when someone wearing a different colour goes up to collect the Sam Maguire. He might even be wearing maroon.

[Tubberman]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

I think you'll find that the Dubs play the Momentum Strategy.

The future is never linear

That's what I've always argued. The Thousand Year Reich will eventually meet a bump in the road and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about when someone wearing a different colour goes up to collect the Sam Maguire. He might even be wearing maroon.

1 year out of 10 Dublin might not win!? woohoo, that really is a mouth watering prospect

[The Hill is Blue]

Non Dublin games are interesting because there's a doubt about the outcome or a chance of a surprise.
Dublin games including the AI Final are foregone conclusions

There was very little discussion of the elephant in the room after the aif. In the Sindo Colm O'Rourke and Brolly treated it as a normal match. Same in the Irish Times and on TSG/RTE

There was far more criticism after the semi and the Leinster Final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063⁰0

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/

Maybe if Meath were being ritually humiliated in the AIF he might be different.

I think that all of the journos behave because it's one of the marquee days in Irish sport and the biggest date in the GAA calendar, a day that drives a big chunk of GAA revenue, when hundreds of thousands of casual fans tune in as well as a massive advertisement for the GAA.

Nobody yet wants to say that the golden goose is no longer breathing. So the nonsense continues

The reference to Meath above is meaningless.

Meath haven't won an All-Ireland senior final since 1999 (the end of the last century), so it's unlikely that they would have been contenders this year no matter what sort of team Dublin might have at the moment. In addition, Dublin have won 30 All-Ireland championships to Meath's 7 which suggests that at any time during the history of the GAA Dublin would be more likely winners than Meath.

And if we look at the Leinster Championship and one-sided results, in 1955 Dublin beat Meath by 5-12 to 0-07 in the Leinster Final.

(Of course none of the above is in any way meant to be disrespectful to Meath - the home of my grandparents!)

Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinsters AFAIK.
This never happened before.
Meath have 21 Leinsters to 2005 so approx 2 per decade
Meath would have won on average 3 under normal competitive conditions 05-20 , with no financial doping

Meath didn't win any Leinsters between 1895 and 1939. What does that prove? Anything you want I guess - take your pick.

All Irish people are human: therefore all humans are Irish*


*The Bluffers Guide to Logic

Apple have invented this thing called the mean. It's a very popular.
Mean reversion is going to be a laugh when it happens to Dublin.

I think you'll find that the Dubs play the Momentum Strategy.

The future is never linear

That's what I've always argued. The Thousand Year Reich will eventually meet a bump in the road and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about when someone wearing a different colour goes up to collect the Sam Maguire. He might even be wearing maroon.

1 year out of 10 Dublin might not win!? woohoo, that really is a mouth watering prospect

Have you also put up the white flag for Mayo? Is that the consensus in Mayo?

[bannside]

Probably the view of 90% at this stage.

Due to financial doping, a flawed system (that allows fresh Dubs to play tired teams) home matches all the time, and ten times the population of other counties to choose from.

Time for other 31 counties to man up to Gaa and tell them its time to tame the beast that they have created.

Dublin are the best team ever, and play within the rules. My problem isnt with them, its with the flawed system. The Tailtean Cup will be a much more interesting and fair competition.

[Rossfan]

+1.