Premier League 20/21

[imtommygunn]

You really don't like Frank Lampard lol

[nrico2006]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

[sid waddell]

You really don't like Frank Lampard lol

On the contrary, on the contrary

Arranging Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech and Havertz into a formation which can unlock the defences of Burnley, Sheffield United and Newcastle is an act of managerial genius on a par with Dessie Farrell lining up Con O'Callaghan, Ciaran Kilkenny, Dean Rock, Brian Fenton, Paul Mannion and Brian Howard into a formation which can unlock the Laois defence

[GetOverTheBar]

You really don't like Frank Lampard lol

Definitely cost him a big bet 

[shark]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

[nrico2006]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

[GetOverTheBar]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

It was 62 + add ons to approx 71 million.

[shark]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

It was 62 + add ons to approx 71 million.

And has played 8 games for Chelsea. Eight.
He could end up being the biggest waste of money in football history. I have no idea if his Chelsea career will be looked upon positively or otherwise, when it ends.
But the idea that he is getting an unjustifiably easy time is surely premature.
Pepe I can agree - it's been more than a season now. But he may still come good. Although the signs are not on it.

[nrico2006]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

It was 62 + add ons to approx 71 million.

Most sources had it at 80 million euro with 20 million add-ons.

[Taylor]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

It was 62 + add ons to approx 71 million.

Most sources had it at 80 million euro with 20 million add-ons.

Irrespective of cost - the put him in the bracket of Pogba & Pepe after 8 games 

[GetOverTheBar]

Plus the lad is only after a 2 week burst with Covid!

Modern Football.

[nrico2006]

Plus with Arsenal, you only have to look at the easy time certain players get.  Take Pogba at United, the amount of grief he gets is unreal, most of it deserved mind you.  But you look at Pepe, who cost nearly as much as Pogba, yet gets very little grief and he has been very poor.  Suppose you could nearly fire Havertz out there too, been very disappointing so far and Werner hasnt exactly set the world alight either.

Havertz is 21 !
How were Salah and De Bruyne getting on at that age? Maybe at the same club or close to it?
Patience patience.

There have also been many 21 year olds who have been thriving, plus Havertz is not some young player that is supposed to be developed.  Chelsea paid the guts of a £100 million for a player that is proven and established.

It was 62 + add ons to approx 71 million.

Most sources had it at 80 million euro with 20 million add-ons.

Irrespective of cost - the put him in the bracket of Pogba & Pepe after 8 games 

I agree in principle but my point was that Pogba was heavily criticised as early in his United career and that has continued since.

[Captain Obvious]

Wasn't that long ago in this thread men were saying Lampard was for the sack. Have only conceded 2 goals in 10 games or something now?

Gave Sevilla a right hammering the other night there too. Saying that it was both B Teams.

He'll be sacked if Chelsea fail to finish in the top 4 with that squad of players. Roman will expect at least one trophy this season also.

[Maroon Manc]

Didn't realise Pepe was 25, thought he was 22/23; Its looking like one of the worst transfers of all time, Arsenal will really struggle to get a fraction of what they paid for him.

To be fair to Arteta he clearly has the weakest squad out of United, Chelsea & Arsenal despite Arsenal spending a pretty much identical amount on players to United the last 3 years. Arsenal in a lot of trouble if they don't qualify for the CL, they've lots of good young players but apart from Partey there's not too many top players in their prime; Bellerin looks to have gone backwards the last few years, they've a lot of older players.

[BennyCake]

Wasn't that long ago in this thread men were saying Lampard was for the sack. Have only conceded 2 goals in 10 games or something now?

Gave Sevilla a right hammering the other night there too. Saying that it was both B Teams.

He'll be sacked if Chelsea fail to finish in the top 4 with that squad of players. Roman will expect at least one trophy this season also.

Lampard is a stop gap as Chelsea couldn't buy players last season. No big manager would've taken the job while hamstrung with no new transfers. He'll be gone soon enough, regardless of how well he does.

I've no love for Chelsea but I sort of want him to be successful just for that reason. Then again, Di Matteo won the CL and FA cup and was turfed out a few weeks into the new season.