Munster Club Championships 2021
Senior Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials or Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) Clare venue
QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) v The Nire or Rathgormack (Waterford), Limerick venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Clonakilty or St. Finbarr's (Cork) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Austin Stacks, Dr. Crokes or Kerins O'Rahilly's (Kerry) v QF2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF1 Grangemockler-Ballyneale or Drom and Inch (Tipperary) v Portlaw (Waterford), Tipperary venue
QF2 Corofin (Clare) v Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Beaufort or Na Gaeil (Kerry) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Kanturk or Newmarket (Cork) v QF 2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF1 Mountcollins (Limerick) v Ballina or Knockavilla-Donaskeigh Kickhams (Tipperary), Limerick venue
QF2 Ballyvaughan (Clare) v Urhan, Aghinagh/Boherbue or Ballinhassig (Cork), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
QF1 winner v Mount Sion, Shamrocks or Geraldines (Waterford), venue TBD
QF2 winner v Gneeveguilla or Skellig Rangers (Kerry), venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) v Ballygunner (Waterford), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Midleton or Glen Rovers (Cork), Limerick venue
Thurles Sarsfields or Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) v QF winner, venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) v Dunhill (Waterford), Clare venue
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) v Kilmoyley (Kerry), Tipperary venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) v Castlelyons, Courcey Rovers, or Ballinhassig (Cork), venue TBD
QF1 winner v QF2 winner, venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) v Skeheenarinky (Tipperary), Kerry venue
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) v Brickey Rangers (Waterford), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
QF1 winner v QF 2 winner, venue TBD
Ballygiblin or Dromtarriffe (Cork) v Caherline (Limerick), venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
UPDATE 21 NOVEMBER
Senior Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) v Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) Clare venue
QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) v The Nire (Waterford), Limerick venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Clonakilty or St. Finbarr's (Cork) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Austin Stacks or Kerins O'Rahilly's (Kerry) v QF2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) v Portlaw (Waterford), Tipperary venue
QF2 Corofin (Clare) v Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Beaufort or Na Gaeil (Kerry) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Kanturk or Newmarket (Cork) v QF 2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
QF1 Mountcollins (Limerick) v Ballina (Tipperary), Limerick venue
QF2 Ballyvaughan (Clare) v Boherbue or Ballinhassig (Cork), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
QF1 winner v Mount Sion (Waterford), venue TBD
QF2 winner v Gneeveguilla (Kerry), venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) v Ballygunner (Waterford), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Midleton (Cork), Limerick venue
Thurles Sarsfields or Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) v QF winner, venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) v Dunhill (Waterford), Clare venue
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) v Kilmoyley (Kerry), Tipperary venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) v Castlelyons or Courcey Rovers (Cork), venue TBD
QF1 winner v QF2 winner, venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) v Skeheenarinky (Tipperary), Kerry venue
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) v Brickey Rangers (Waterford), Clare venue
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
QF1 winner v QF 2 winner, venue TBD
Ballygiblin or Dromtarriffe (Cork) v Caherline (Limerick), venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
UPDATE 28 NOVEMBER EDIT ON 3 DEC to show times/venues for football games 4/5 Dec. Live Streaming available of this weekend's games via www.clubber.ie
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) v Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary), Ennis, 1pm
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) v The Nire (Waterford), Newcastlewest, 1pm
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Austin Stacks or Kerins O'Rahilly's (Kerry) v QF2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) v Portlaw (Waterford), Templetuohy, 1:30pm
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) v Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick), Corofin, 1pm
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Beaufort or Na Gaeil (Kerry) v QF1 winner, venue TBD
Kanturk or Newmarket (Cork) v QF 2 winner, venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Mountcollins (Limerick) v Ballina (Tipperary), Mountcollins, 1:30pm
QF2 Ballyvaughan (Clare) v Boherbue (Cork), Ennis, 1pm
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
QF1 winner v Mount Sion (Waterford), venue TBD
QF2 winner v Gneeveguilla (Kerry), venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Midleton (Cork), Limerick venue
Thurles Sarsfields or Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) v Ballygunner (Waterford), venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) v Courcey Rovers (Cork), venue TBD
Dunhill (Waterford) v Kilmoyley (Kerry), venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) v Ogonelloe (Clare), venue TBD
Ballygiblin (Cork) v Caherline (Limerick), venue TBD
Final 8/9 January 2022
Impressive Centre of Excellence in Kerry
https://www.kerrygaa.ie/centre-of-excellence/
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/1204/1264848-kerry-gaa-centre-of-excellence/
UPDATE 5 December.
All semi-final pairings now known. Hurling semi-finals this coming weekend, 11/12 Dec and football semi-finals the following weekend, 18/19 Dec.
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 2-11 Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) v Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) venue TBD
Austin Stacks (Kerry) v Newcastle West (Limerick) venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 1-8 Portlaw (Waterford) 0-6
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) 1-13 Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick) 1-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Na Gaeil (Kerry) v Drom and Inch (Tipperary), venue TBD
Newmarket (Cork) v Corofin (Clare), venue TBD
Final 15/16 January 2022
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Ballina (Tipperary) 3-12 Mountcollins (Limerick) 0-3
QF2 Boherbue (Cork) 2-15 Ballyvaughan (Clare) 0-1
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Ballina (Tipperary) v Mount Sion (Waterford), Tipperary venue
Boherbue (Cork) v Gneeveguilla (Kerry), Cork venue
Final 15/16 January 2022
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Midleton (Cork), Gaelic Grounds, Limerick 1:15pm
Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) v Ballygunner (Waterford), Dungarvan 3:15pm
Final 8/9 January 2022
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
11 Dec Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) v Courcey Rovers (Cork), Gaelic Grounds, Limerick 1:30pm
12 Dec Dunhill (Waterford) v Kilmoyley (Kerry), Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork 1:30pm
Final 8/9 January 2022
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals
11 Dec Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) v Ogonelloe (Clare)' Mallow 1pm
12 Dec Ballygiblin (Cork) v Caherline (Limerick), Kildorrery, Co. Cork 1pm
Final 8/9 January 2022
UPDATE 12 December.
Hurling final pairings in place for the finals on 8 and 9 January. Football semi-finals this coming weekend, 18/19 Dec.
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 2-11 Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Semi Finals, 19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) v Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) Páirc Uí Rinn, 1:30pm
Austin Stacks (Kerry) v Newcastle West (Limerick) Austin Stack Park, 1:30pm
Final 15/16 January 2022
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 1-8 Portlaw (Waterford) 0-6
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) 1-13 Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick) 1-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Na Gaeil (Kerry) v Drom and Inch (Tipperary), Templetuohy, 1:30pm
Newmarket (Cork) v Corofin (Clare), Mallow, 1:30pm
Final 15/16 January 2022
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Ballina (Tipperary) 3-12 Mountcollins (Limerick) 0-3
QF2 Boherbue (Cork) 2-15 Ballyvaughan (Clare) 0-1
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Ballina (Tipperary) v Mount Sion (Waterford), Tipperary venue
Boherbue (Cork) v Gneeveguilla (Kerry), Mallow, 1:30pm
Final 15/16 January 2022
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) 0-19 Midleton (Cork) 0-9
Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12 Ballygunner (Waterford) 2-11
Final 8/9 January 2022
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Ballygunner (Waterford), venue TBD
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
11 Dec Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) 1-17 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 1-18
12 Dec Dunhill (Waterford) 2-7 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 1-12
Final 8/9 January 2022
Courcey Rovers (Cork) v Kilmoyley (Kerry) venue TBD
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals
11 Dec Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 2-16 Ogonelloe (Clare) 1-16
12 Dec Ballygiblin (Cork) 1-9 Caherline (Limerick) 0-10
Final 8/9 January 2022
Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) v Ballygiblin (Cork) venue TBD
Ballina beat Mount Sion today in the Munster Junior Football Championship Semi Final by 5 points after having County Man Steven O`Brien sent off in the first minute !
UPDATE 19 December.
All final pairings in place. Hurling finals set for 9 January 2022, with football finals the following weekend 15/16 January.
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 2-11 Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Semi Finals, 19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) 2-14 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 0-12
Austin Stacks (Kerry) 1-15 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8
Final 15/16 January 2022
St. Finbarr's (Cork) v Austin Stacks (Kerry)
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 1-8 Portlaw (Waterford) 0-6
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) 1-13 Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick) 1-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Na Gaeil (Kerry) 1-10 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 0-9
Corofin (Clare) 1-14 Newmarket (Cork) 0-11
Final 15/16 January 2022
Na Gaeil (Kerry) v Corofin (Clare)
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Ballina (Tipperary) 3-12 Mountcollins (Limerick) 0-3
QF2 Boherbue (Cork) 2-15 Ballyvaughan (Clare) 0-1
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Ballina (Tipperary) 0-16 Mount Sion (Waterford) 2-5
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 3-14 Boherbue (Cork) 0-9
Final 15/16 January 2022
Ballina (Tipperary) v Gneeveguilla (Kerry)
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) 0-19 Midleton (Cork) 0-9
Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12 Ballygunner (Waterford) 2-11
Final 9 January 2022
Kilmallock (Limerick) v Ballygunner (Waterford), Páirc Uí Chaoimh 3:30pm
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
11 Dec Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) 1-17 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 1-18
12 Dec Dunhill (Waterford) 2-7 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 1-12
Final 9 January 2022
Courcey Rovers (Cork) v Kilmoyley (Kerry), TUS Gaelic Grounds, Limerick 1:30pm
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals
11 Dec Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 2-16 Ogonelloe (Clare) 1-16
12 Dec Ballygiblin (Cork) 1-9 Caherline (Limerick) 0-10
Final 9 January 2022
Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) v Ballygiblin (Cork), Mallow 1:30pm
UPDATE 9 January.
Hurling finals completed today, with the football finals next weekend 15/16 January.
Hurling champions: Senior - Ballygunner (Waterford), Intermediate - Kilmoyley (Kerry), Junior - Ballygiblin (Cork)
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 2-11 Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Semi Finals, 19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) 2-14 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 0-12
Austin Stacks (Kerry) 1-15 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8
Final 15/16 January 2022
St. Finbarr's (Cork) v Austin Stacks (Kerry)
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 1-8 Portlaw (Waterford) 0-6
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) 1-13 Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick) 1-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Na Gaeil (Kerry) 1-10 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 0-9
Corofin (Clare) 1-14 Newmarket (Cork) 0-11
Final 15/16 January 2022
Na Gaeil (Kerry) v Corofin (Clare)
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Ballina (Tipperary) 3-12 Mountcollins (Limerick) 0-3
QF2 Boherbue (Cork) 2-15 Ballyvaughan (Clare) 0-1
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Ballina (Tipperary) 0-16 Mount Sion (Waterford) 2-5
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 3-14 Boherbue (Cork) 0-9
Final 15/16 January 2022
Ballina (Tipperary) v Gneeveguilla (Kerry)
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) 0-19 Midleton (Cork) 0-9
Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12 Ballygunner (Waterford) 2-11
Final 9 January 2022
Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20 Kilmallock (Limerick) 1-12
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
11 Dec Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) 1-17 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 1-18
12 Dec Dunhill (Waterford) 2-7 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 1-12
Final 9 January 2022
Kilmoyley (Kerry) 0-24 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 0-21 AET
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals
11 Dec Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 2-16 Ogonelloe (Clare) 1-16
12 Dec Ballygiblin (Cork) 1-9 Caherline (Limerick) 0-10
Final 9 January 2022
Ballygiblin (Cork) 2-14 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-9
St. Finbarr’s impressive as they lead by 6 points at half time.
FT St Finbarrs 2-9 Austin Stacks 1-10. A first Munster title for Finbarrs since the mid 80s.
Donaghy was marked out of it. Finbarrs deserved it imo. Although free at the end was harsh.
Quote from: full moon on January 16, 2022, 03:16:13 PM
Donaghy was marked out of it. Finbarrs deserved it imo. Although free at the end was harsh.
Think it was for a slide tackle
FINAL UPDATE 16 January.
All over for another year.
Hurling champions: Senior - Ballygunner (Waterford), Intermediate - Kilmoyley (Kerry), Junior - Ballygiblin (Cork).
Football champions: Senior - St. Finbarr's (Cork), Intermediate - Na Gaeil (Kerry), Junior - Gneeveguilla (Kerry)
Senior Football
Quarter Finals:
5 Dec QF 1 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 2-11 Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12
4 Dec QF2 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8 The Nire (Waterford) 0-6
Semi Finals, 19 Dec
St. Finbarr's (Cork) 2-14 Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) 0-12
Austin Stacks (Kerry) 1-15 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-8
Final 15/16 January 2022
St. Finbarr's (Cork) 2-9 Austin Stacks (Kerry) 1-10
Intermediate Football
Quarter Finals, 4/5 Dec
4 Dec QF1 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 1-8 Portlaw (Waterford) 0-6
5 Dec QF2 Corofin (Clare) 1-13 Kildimo Pallaskenry (Limerick) 1-6
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Na Gaeil (Kerry) 1-10 Drom and Inch (Tipperary) 0-9
Corofin (Clare) 1-14 Newmarket (Cork) 0-11
Final 15/16 January 2022
Na Gaeil (Kerry) 6-15 Corofin (Clare) 1-12
Junior Football
Quarter Finals, 4 Dec
QF1 Ballina (Tipperary) 3-12 Mountcollins (Limerick) 0-3
QF2 Boherbue (Cork) 2-15 Ballyvaughan (Clare) 0-1
Semi Finals, 18/19 Dec
Ballina (Tipperary) 0-16 Mount Sion (Waterford) 2-5
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 3-14 Boherbue (Cork) 0-9
Final 15/16 January 2022
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 4-18 Ballina (Tipperary) 1-6
Senior Hurling
Quarter Final, 27/28 Nov
QF Ballyea (Clare) 2-6 Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20
Semi Finals, 12 Dec
Kilmallock (Limerick) 0-19 Midleton (Cork) 0-9
Loughmore-Castleiney (Tipperary) 0-12 Ballygunner (Waterford) 2-11
Final 9 January 2022
Ballygunner (Waterford) 3-20 Kilmallock (Limerick) 1-12
Intermediate Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Smith O'Brien's (Clare) 0-11 Dunhill (Waterford) 0-13
QF2 Moyne-Templetuohy (Tipperary) 0-14 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 4-12
Semi Finals, 11/12 Dec
11 Dec Mungret St. Pauls (Limerick) 1-17 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 1-18
12 Dec Dunhill (Waterford) 2-7 Kilmoyley (Kerry) 1-12
Final 9 January 2022
Kilmoyley (Kerry) 0-24 Courcey Rovers (Cork) 0-21 AET
Junior Hurling
Quarter Finals, 27/28 Nov
QF1 Tralee Parnells (Kerry) 0-8 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-22
QF2 Ogonelloe (Clare) 3-13 Brickey Rangers (Waterford) 2-13
Semi Finals
11 Dec Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 2-16 Ogonelloe (Clare) 1-16
12 Dec Ballygiblin (Cork) 1-9 Caherline (Limerick) 0-10
Final 9 January 2022
Ballygiblin (Cork) 2-14 Skeheenarinky (Tipperary) 1-9
FYI for any students of placenames and so on, the name Gneeveguilla is from its Irish form Gníomh go Leith. A "gníomh" is an old form of land measurement, defined as one-twelfth of a ploughland, which in turn meant the area of grass needed for one cow. So Gníomh go Leith is the area of grass that could support one and a half cows, although probably better defined as half the area to support 3 cows, that the village was built on.
Placenames Gneeves (Brosna, Co Kerry), Two Gneeves (Cullen, Co Cork) and Three Gneeves (Cloonkeen, Co Cork) are also thus explained.
Just in case anyone was wondering.
Very interesting Ball Hopper. I had not come across before.
Locally it is pronounced "ginny gwilla"
Kerry clubs win the junior & intermediate finals by a combined 39 points. Its a farce and it needs addressing, simply an unfair system that's allowing Kerry clubs to win soft All Irelands.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 19, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
Kerry clubs win the junior & intermediate finals by a combined 39 points. Its a farce and it needs addressing, simply an unfair system that's allowing Kerry clubs to win soft All Irelands.
No obvious solution to it though. Issue is replicated right across the country. Although just not to the extreme of the Kerry example. If Dublin renamed their Senior B championship as the Intermediate championship (it is the second tier after all), then we would have seen Cuala in the Leinster Intermediate. And possibly Vincents next year, as they got relegated. But we did see Clara in the Leinster Intermediate final after winning the Offaly Senior B. Zero consistency. But what's the fix?
Counties have to be able to run their championships as they see fit. The inter and junior championships are good competitions, but they are not as important as county championships.
Kerry has 64 clubs with just 8 playing Senior Championship.
Some of the Divisional teams are made up of 8 or 9 clubs. A mix of Junior and Intermediate. It works well for Kerry but its a win at all.cost approach
Wondering, you can only get promoted to a higher Championship grade in Kerry by winning the Champ at the grade below, but how does the team being displaced get "relegated" in Championship terms? Via league football? If so then the quasi league/champ structure is a total load of ballix notwithstanding the fact there are only 8 clubs competing for the SC being utter ballix in the first place
Templenoe won an AI Junior Club walloping everyone along the way, were playing SL football against Gooch/Dr Crokes but Junior Champ, with 4 Kerry senior players in their team
The county hurlers are hawking for exemption transfers too to keep them buoyant, inglorious hoors love a day out at Croke at any level and at anyones expense
Kerry like all Counties structure their club competitions as they see fit and as they feel is best for their Clubs.
The 62 Clubs (c2% of Clubs) who win other Counties Junior and Inter Championships are low on their list of priorities.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 19, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
Kerry clubs win the junior & intermediate finals by a combined 39 points. Its a farce and it needs addressing, simply an unfair system that's allowing Kerry clubs to win soft All Irelands.
The big issue is the fact that so many other counties have bloated uncompetitive senior and intermediate football championships. If you look at the structures in most counties - in most of them the senior competition has the most teams, the intermediate the 2nd most and the junior the fewest. However when you look at pretty much all other sports and competitions, most of them follow a pyramid structure where the elite at the top are the fewest and as you go down the levels with lower standards the numbers increase.
Kerry's structures for clubs are far superior and the fact that pretty much every other county board hasn't tried to copy their structures as closely as possible is a damming indictment of the lack of intelligent thinking by county boards. It's an awful pity the Club Players Association aren't still in existence and didn't campaign for as many counties as possible to adopt structures as close to Kerry's as possible. If players from intermediate and junior clubs accross the country knew how rubbish the competition structures they have in their counties are compared to how good players in intermediate and junior clubs in Kerry have it, they would be marching on Croke Park demanding immediate change.
Quote from: tiempo on January 19, 2022, 03:41:44 PM
Wondering, you can only get promoted to a higher Championship grade in Kerry by winning the Champ at the grade below, but how does the team being displaced get "relegated" in Championship terms? Via league football? If so then the quasi league/champ structure is a total load of ballix notwithstanding the fact there are only 8 clubs competing for the SC being utter ballix in the first place.
Templenoe won an AI Junior Club walloping everyone along the way, were playing SL football against Gooch/Dr Crokes but Junior Champ, with 4 Kerry senior players in their team.
The county hurlers are hawking for exemption transfers too to keep them buoyant, inglorious hoors love a day out at Croke at any level and at anyones expense
My understanding is that there is a club championship and a county championship.
Relegation and promotion are all dealt with in the club championship structure.
The league is completely separate.
From what I know the league is mainly for the club players and there seems to be nowhere near the nonsense/bother that goes on in counties where the league structure is tied to the championship.
QuoteTime for Cork football to change its nonsense grading system
Monday 17th January 2022 16:24
JOHN FINTAN DALY
The start of a new season, allied to St Finbarr's wonderful success in Thurles on Sunday, makes it timely to examine the current state of Cork football and to explore how we can improve standards both within the county and at inter-county level - especially how we can compete more effectively with our neighbours in Kerry.
No doubt, the progressive thinking of Cork County Board (in particular, CEO Kevin O'Donovan) in totally rejigging the club grading system for both league and championship has resulted in healthier and more meaningful competitions in both hurling and football.
However, what we continue to ignore are the ongoing pitiful performances of our club representatives in the Munster Junior and Intermediate football championships. While our hurling clubs continue to compete well (Ballygiblin, for example), here are some stark facts that make for shocking reading for our football fraternity: Since Canovee won at the Junior grade in 2007, there have been 15 titles fought for in Munster's Junior and Intermediate. That's 30 championships... all won by Kerry clubs with the exception of two notables in Clyda Rovers (Intermediate, 2013) and my own club, Knocknagree (Junior, 2017), the latter being the only Cork club to beat Kerry opponents in 25 championship meetings during that same period.
Why should that be?
The lazy and uninformed answer would be, of course, that Kerry remains a football powerhouse Cork cannot compete with. In fact, the remedy for this imbalance lies entirely in Cork's own hands. Of the three club football grades in Munster, the only one pitched on a level playing field is clearly Senior. This is simply because the top grade club team from each county are competing against each other.
While the recent domination of Dr Crokes denied Cork clubs much provincial success, the emergence of other champions from Kerry will help level the playing field for Cork in the future.
Beyond senior, the green and gold domination is total and must be tackled urgently. Whereas there are five main adult grades in Cork football, Kerry has four. Therein lies the problem. It is true that Cork has more adult football clubs than the rest of Munster put together, hence more grades. Consequently, Kerry's second-grade champions (Intermediate) play Cork's third grade, known as Premier Intermediate (and not the Senior A second tier). Worse still, Kerry's third grade (Premier junior) play Cork's fifth grade, Junior (and not the third grade, Premier intermediate or even fourth grade, Intermediate).
Cork cannot ignore this ongoing imbalance. While the clubs may only look inward and believe Munster titles are of little relevance to them, they should talk to those few clubs who've tasted Munster/All Ireland success to appreciate the long-term confidence and benefits it brings.
The difficulty is that many Cork clubs don't wish to be regraded and see it as a demotion of their standing. My proposal would first be that Cork approach the GAA to seek its secondary grade champions (currently Senior A) compete in the Munster Intermediate championship and the current fourth grade, Intermediate, be rebranded as Premier Junior and enter the Munster Junior championship.
If we are then directed that the existing rules don't allow for Cork's second grade to enter without rebranding the Senior A championship to, say a new Premier Intermediate grade, then let's do it (how come Kerry Senior hurling champions Kilmoyley were allowed play the Munster Intermediate Hurling Championship).
I say this from a position of my own club being Senior A currently but I would be in favour of doing whatever is necessary for us to meaningfully compete in Munster. If that was to become the case, then a County bye-law could be added to ensure players from that new grade could not qualify to play with their divisions in the Senior Championship.
To illustrate how difficult it is for Cork clubs to overcome Kerry opposition, just look at the relative standings of our Munster representatives in 2021. Newmarket were ranked as the 25th best Cork club team in the order of merit standings (12 in each of the Premier and Senior A grades above them). They got knocked out by Clare's Corofin without even reaching a date with Kerry champions Na Gaeil, who are ranked as the ninth-best club in the Kingdom - with only eight senior clubs above them.
Worse still, County Junior champions, Boherbue, are ranked 53rd in Cork (four grades above them, 52 clubs) while the Kerry opposition who beat them convincingly, Gneeveguilla, are ranked 25th in the Kingdom. Both Na Gaeil and Gneeveguilla went on to comfortably win provincial titles at the weekend.
The only result to buck the trend of the past 13 years was Knocknagree who overcame Dromid Pearses in 2017 even though they were ranked 56th in Cork at the time while Dromid were ranked 25th in Kerry. Any way you look at it, it is up to Cork clubs to change what is a nonsense grading system for the better.
We are currently making great strides with new management at Senior, U20 & Minor intercounty level to emerge from Kerry's shadow and become a football powerhouse in our own right - but that won't happen easily unless the grassroots at club level start winning Munster/All Ireland club titles and, more importantly, expect and demand to do so on a regular basis.
Therein lies the challenge. It is high time the conversation turned to action from within so that we can all look forward to a better future for Cork football. Cork remains, without question, the greatest under-achiever in Gaelic football ... the biggest county with by far the largest number of clubs and playing numbers, not to mention huge untapped resources. Only as a collective can it put an end to the lazy perception that it's 'really only a Hurling county that play a bit of football'.
It's time to change the narrative.
*The author is an All-Ireland winning Junior manager with Knocknagree.
The article above was posted in the Examiner on Monday. John Fintan is a wiley operator but he has to know that there is little chance of their being any change in the names of the structures in Cork any time soon. There was a big restructure only two years ago and the 2nd and 4th tier competitions had to have Senior and Intermediate in their name because if they didn't there was no way the clubs would have accepted the new structures. I'd say the chances of Cork getting any joy from the Munster Council are vanishingly tiny.
Quote from: shark on January 19, 2022, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 19, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
Kerry clubs win the junior & intermediate finals by a combined 39 points. Its a farce and it needs addressing, simply an unfair system that's allowing Kerry clubs to win soft All Irelands.
No obvious solution to it though. Issue is replicated right across the country. Although just not to the extreme of the Kerry example. If Dublin renamed their Senior B championship as the Intermediate championship (it is the second tier after all), then we would have seen Cuala in the Leinster Intermediate. And possibly Vincents next year, as they got relegated. But we did see Clara in the Leinster Intermediate final after winning the Offaly Senior B. Zero consistency. But what's the fix?
Counties have to be able to run their championships as they see fit. The inter and junior championships are good competitions, but they are not as important as county championships.
You've surprised me with that remark, I wouldn't agree.
Kerry clubs have won 8 out of the last 12 junior club championship and 4 of those 8 were won by a collective 69 points. Intermediate is not as bad but their still winning about 50% of that championship.
Couldn't be too difficult to implement a Senior B in Kerry with clubs from 9-16.
Dublin clubs done do well at Provincial Junior and Intermediate .More emphasis put into the B Championship with 6 teams in it. Thought a Leinster and All Ireland Intermediate should be more appealingly then a B Championship
St Vincent's in b next year
County Championships are more important than Provincial and All Ireland ones.
All Clubs play in a County Championship, only c.4% of Clubs get to play in the others and half of them only get 1 game.
They're a grand add on bonus for the County winners and give gaelic games a bit of media coverage in the Winter
months.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
County Championships are more important than Provincial and All Ireland ones.
All Clubs play in a County Championship, only c.4% of Clubs get to play in the others and half of them only get 1 game.
They're a grand add on bonus for the County winners and give gaelic games a bit of media coverage in the Winter
months.
Would be interested to see which medal the St Brigid's lads treasured most.
They had to win the County one first or they wouldn't have had the chance of the Connacht or AI ones.
I'm talking in the round about the GAA and all 2,500 or so Clubs .
It depends. The likes of cross, kilcoo, nemo etc who win the county almost routinely would cherish an AI more. The clubs that win county infrequently and sometimes only on a one off would value the county one more.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 19, 2022, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: shark on January 19, 2022, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 19, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
Kerry clubs win the junior & intermediate finals by a combined 39 points. Its a farce and it needs addressing, simply an unfair system that's allowing Kerry clubs to win soft All Irelands.
No obvious solution to it though. Issue is replicated right across the country. Although just not to the extreme of the Kerry example. If Dublin renamed their Senior B championship as the Intermediate championship (it is the second tier after all), then we would have seen Cuala in the Leinster Intermediate. And possibly Vincents next year, as they got relegated. But we did see Clara in the Leinster Intermediate final after winning the Offaly Senior B. Zero consistency. But what's the fix?
Counties have to be able to run their championships as they see fit. The inter and junior championships are good competitions, but they are not as important as county championships.
You've surprised me with that remark, I wouldn't agree.
Kerry clubs have won 8 out of the last 12 junior club championship and 4 of those 8 were won by a collective 69 points. Intermediate is not as bad but their still winning about 50% of that championship.
Couldn't be too difficult to implement a Senior B in Kerry with clubs from 9-16.
Rossfan articulated one aspect of my reasoning. County championships are the lifeblood of the association. Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new, and while they are good competitions, they are not the aim for any club at the start of the year. The point about Cross, Nemo, etc is not relevant here as we are not talking about Senior. The Senior provincials don't have the fundamental flaw we are talking about here.
When a club wins their county Junior or Intermediate it is huge. They will play a different level the following year. The club's future prospects are now on a different level. A provincial title is a great cherry on top - but will be quickly forgotten if they get relegated the following year. You can trust me on this, as I experienced it!
As I said initially, I don't think there is a fix here. County championships are not going to align with one another, so the provincial inter and junior championships will remain inherently flawed.
These Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new? Was started in 2004 and the first final was 2005, that's 17 years, If they can't get their shit together in that period then there is something seriously wrong
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 03:24:29 PM
These Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new? Was started in 2004 and the first final was 2005, that's 17 years, If they can't get their shit together in that period then there is something seriously wrong
Provincials actually older again. Maybe late 90's. County championships going a fair bit longer though. Changing county championships to fit provincials would be tail wagging the dog.
It hasn't been fixed as there is no easy fix. And also because there isn't that much appetite clearly.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 03:24:29 PM
These Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new? Was started in 2004 and the first final was 2005, that's 17 years, If they can't get their shit together in that period then there is something seriously wrong
they became official in 2004 but there were unofficial provincial finals going back to the late 90's.
Quote from: clarshack on January 20, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 03:24:29 PM
These Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new? Was started in 2004 and the first final was 2005, that's 17 years, If they can't get their shit together in that period then there is something seriously wrong
they became official in 2004 but there were unofficial provincial finals going back to the late 90's.
There's been an Ulster Minor tournament for many years also, I know that, but officially from Croke, the tournament has been recognised since 2004. If Shark thinks there is no appetite to change it why do Kerry teams play in it then?
Eh?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Eh?
I think Shark was saying they'd rather stay promoted than win the provincial championship, so why bother entering it?
I could have taken him up wrongly and apologise if I did
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 20, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 03:24:29 PM
These Inter and Junior provincials are relatively new? Was started in 2004 and the first final was 2005, that's 17 years, If they can't get their shit together in that period then there is something seriously wrong
they became official in 2004 but there were unofficial provincial finals going back to the late 90's.
There's been an Ulster Minor tournament for many years also, I know that, but officially from Croke, the tournament has been recognised since 2004. If Shark thinks there is no appetite to change it why do Kerry teams play in it then?
What I mean is, there is no appetite to change the status quo , of unbalanced Junior and Intermediate championships. Maybe there is some underground movement that I'm unaware of.
Not sure what you mean by why Kerry teams play in it.
Interesting that it was unofficial prior to 2004. My club won a Leinster Junior in 2000 or 2001. Never realised it was unofficial ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Eh?
I think Shark was saying they'd rather stay promoted than win the provincial championship, so why bother entering it?
I could have taken him up wrongly and apologise if I did
What I meant there was that the biggest prize for a club winning, say Intermediate, is getting up to Senior. Winning a provincial Intermediate would be a nice cherry. But if they were to get relegated back to Intermediate the following season (which of course is an independent event) they probably wouldn't see much consolation in having won a provincial the year before. I get that it is a hypothetical subjective scenario , and may have been confusing. Only mentioned it as it's exactly what I experienced before.
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2022, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Eh?
I think Shark was saying they'd rather stay promoted than win the provincial championship, so why bother entering it?
I could have taken him up wrongly and apologise if I did
What I meant there was that the biggest prize for a club winning, say Intermediate, is getting up to Senior. Winning a provincial Intermediate would be a nice cherry. But if they were to get relegated back to Intermediate the following season (which of course is an independent event) they probably wouldn't see much consolation in having won a provincial the year before. I get that it is a hypothetical subjective scenario , and may have been confusing. Only mentioned it as it's exactly what I experienced before.
The target for any club is senior status and continued development towards winning senior championship, obviously counties can arrange their club championships (junior, intermediate senior) to suit their own preference.
The provincial and all Ireland championship provides, certainly at junior and intermediate level a chance for a 'small' club too achieve an appearance at Croke park representing their parish,family,friends and club. For some clubs it's an amazing feeling, but it seems by the results of the previous 17 years that, in football, the Kerry winners have won, at Junior intermediate, a disproportionate amount.
Personally I've no issues with how Kerry run their show, club championships is the counties main concern, and they feel it works well for Kerry football, but it does impact on these competitions.
I've been lucky enough to manage our hurlers at Croke park at intermediate level, and can see how it brings on teams, we played senior championship final in hurling few years later, so it's got benefits that lift teams.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2022, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Eh?
I think Shark was saying they'd rather stay promoted than win the provincial championship, so why bother entering it?
I could have taken him up wrongly and apologise if I did
What I meant there was that the biggest prize for a club winning, say Intermediate, is getting up to Senior. Winning a provincial Intermediate would be a nice cherry. But if they were to get relegated back to Intermediate the following season (which of course is an independent event) they probably wouldn't see much consolation in having won a provincial the year before. I get that it is a hypothetical subjective scenario , and may have been confusing. Only mentioned it as it's exactly what I experienced before.
The target for any club is senior status and continued development towards winning senior championship, obviously counties can arrange their club championships (junior, intermediate senior) to suit their own preference.
The provincial and all Ireland championship provides, certainly at junior and intermediate level a chance for a 'small' club too achieve an appearance at Croke park representing their parish,family,friends and club. For some clubs it's an amazing feeling, but it seems by the results of the previous 17 years that, in football, the Kerry winners have won, at Junior intermediate, a disproportionate amount.
Personally I've no issues with how Kerry run their show, club championships is the counties main concern, and they feel it works well for Kerry football, but it does impact on these competitions.
I've been lucky enough to manage our hurlers at Croke park at intermediate level, and can see how it brings on teams, we played senior championship final in hurling few years later, so it's got benefits that lift teams.
agree with all the above.
St.Gall's I presume, based on the above? played an underage challenge match up there in late 90's. we were well looked after by the club. Can't remember the game, but remember the food in the clubhouse afterwards!
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2022, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
Quote from: shark on January 20, 2022, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2022, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 04:54:25 PM
Eh?
I think Shark was saying they'd rather stay promoted than win the provincial championship, so why bother entering it?
I could have taken him up wrongly and apologise if I did
What I meant there was that the biggest prize for a club winning, say Intermediate, is getting up to Senior. Winning a provincial Intermediate would be a nice cherry. But if they were to get relegated back to Intermediate the following season (which of course is an independent event) they probably wouldn't see much consolation in having won a provincial the year before. I get that it is a hypothetical subjective scenario , and may have been confusing. Only mentioned it as it's exactly what I experienced before.
The target for any club is senior status and continued development towards winning senior championship, obviously counties can arrange their club championships (junior, intermediate senior) to suit their own preference.
The provincial and all Ireland championship provides, certainly at junior and intermediate level a chance for a 'small' club too achieve an appearance at Croke park representing their parish,family,friends and club. For some clubs it's an amazing feeling, but it seems by the results of the previous 17 years that, in football, the Kerry winners have won, at Junior intermediate, a disproportionate amount.
Personally I've no issues with how Kerry run their show, club championships is the counties main concern, and they feel it works well for Kerry football, but it does impact on these competitions.
I've been lucky enough to manage our hurlers at Croke park at intermediate level, and can see how it brings on teams, we played senior championship final in hurling few years later, so it's got benefits that lift teams.
agree with all the above.
St.Gall's I presume, based on the above? played an underage challenge match up there in late 90's. we were well looked after by the club. Can't remember the game, but remember the food in the clubhouse afterwards!
Yes, glad the hospitality was good!
An additional anomaly is that a lot of teams in the JFC didn't win their County Championship as B teams aren't allowed take part.
Ros' rep in 21 were losing SEMI Finalists and got hockeyed.
Maybe every county should only allow 8 teams at senior level, as someone suggested earlier other counties should be following Kerry's model. Nice and elitist, make it as hard as possible for any up and coming club within that county to get near senior, while allowing what are in reality senior/intermediate standard clubs compete at intermediate/junior level. For context, if Armagh adapted a similar model, our current senior champions & Ulster club senior semi finalists would be intermediate ::)
Kerry will do what suits Kerry, rest do what suits themselves.
Good luck with trying to get Clubs to vote for downgrading thenselves ;D
I've probably posted this a few times here already but just once more...
The aim in Kerry for many years now has been to 1)Keep the County Senior football championship as strong as possible so it is a testing ground for potential county players..and 2)That every single player in the county, regardless of their club's level, have an opportunity to play in the Senior c'ship through the Divisional teams.
Now, for the last 2 years this has meant there has only been 8 club teams and 8 divisional teams in the Senior championship. In my own view, 8 clubs is too few and they are currently reviewing this situation. I think it's likely they will increase to 10 clubs and 8 divisions this year or next. I think that would be a better balance. There is currently 16 clubs in Intermediate, 16 in Premier Junior, 16 in Junior. There are no second teams allowed in these championships unlike other counties. They have separate competitions. I'm not sure how it is proposed to alter the number of clubs - perhaps a 10 - 16 - 16 - 14 split, but I'm not entirely sure.
In case it needs to be said again, there is zero connection between county league and a club's championship grade in Kerry. This often gets thrown out there as an argument - Gneeveguilla who won the Premier Junior (and Munster Junior) last year, won Division 2 of the league and are therefore promoted to Div 1 for 2022. They beat Castleisland (an Intermediate club in 2021) in final. Na Gaeil, winners of Intermediate 2021, so Senior in 2022, are still in Division 2 below Gneeveguilla. League has no bearing or link to championship. Clubs play most league games without their county players, without players who spend summer on J1s etc (quite a decent number) so there are teams who do better than others in League.
Could keep typing but don't want to be very long winded..basically, the gradings are done for good reasons and even if there are 10 Senior clubs the Intermediate and Junior winners will still be strong. In Munster the strongest competition for Kerry clubs would usually be from Cork clubs, but they have a system for the last few years that has the winners of their 3rd tier championship entering Munster Intermediate and winners of 5th tier entering Munster Junior..hence, Kerry teams are largely winning the Inter and Junior football and often by large margins. The Cork situation needs changing and there is a proposal to rectify it being debated currently.
Anyway, as I've said before it's the way it's done down here. Divisional teams play in Cork SFC and should actually be very strong but are largely treated like sh*t, so haven't had very much success recently. A North Tipp combination won a Tipp SFC in last 10 years I know but I seem to recall there was a move to stop them playing thereafter?
Apart from that divisional teams don't seem to exist in many other places, when there would definitely be areas that could benefit from them surely..
I think the Kerry system is fascinating and it's a wonder other counties don't adopt a more similar approach. I know clubs won't vote for their demotion either.
Also here in Mayo the league and championship are two separate entities.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 21, 2022, 01:42:28 AM
I've probably posted this a few times here already but just once more...
The aim in Kerry for many years now has been to 1)Keep the County Senior football championship as strong as possible so it is a testing ground for potential county players..and 2)That every single player in the county, regardless of their club's level, have an opportunity to play in the Senior c'ship through the Divisional teams.
Now, for the last 2 years this has meant there has only been 8 club teams and 8 divisional teams in the Senior championship. In my own view, 8 clubs is too few and they are currently reviewing this situation. I think it's likely they will increase to 10 clubs and 8 divisions this year or next. I think that would be a better balance. There is currently 16 clubs in Intermediate, 16 in Premier Junior, 16 in Junior. There are no second teams allowed in these championships unlike other counties. They have separate competitions. I'm not sure how it is proposed to alter the number of clubs - perhaps a 10 - 16 - 16 - 14 split, but I'm not entirely sure.
In case it needs to be said again, there is zero connection between county league and a club's championship grade in Kerry. This often gets thrown out there as an argument - Gneeveguilla who won the Premier Junior (and Munster Junior) last year, won Division 2 of the league and are therefore promoted to Div 1 for 2022. They beat Castleisland (an Intermediate club in 2021) in final. Na Gaeil, winners of Intermediate 2021, so Senior in 2022, are still in Division 2 below Gneeveguilla. League has no bearing or link to championship. Clubs play most league games without their county players, without players who spend summer on J1s etc (quite a decent number) so there are teams who do better than others in League.
Could keep typing but don't want to be very long winded..basically, the gradings are done for good reasons and even if there are 10 Senior clubs the Intermediate and Junior winners will still be strong. In Munster the strongest competition for Kerry clubs would usually be from Cork clubs, but they have a system for the last few years that has the winners of their 3rd tier championship entering Munster Intermediate and winners of 5th tier entering Munster Junior..hence, Kerry teams are largely winning the Inter and Junior football and often by large margins. The Cork situation needs changing and there is a proposal to rectify it being debated currently.
Anyway, as I've said before it's the way it's done down here. Divisional teams play in Cork SFC and should actually be very strong but are largely treated like sh*t, so haven't had very much success recently. A North Tipp combination won a Tipp SFC in last 10 years I know but I seem to recall there was a move to stop them playing thereafter?
Apart from that divisional teams don't seem to exist in many other places, when there would definitely be areas that could benefit from them surely..
Given the current split of clubs it would be much fairer if the premier junior champions entered the intermediate championship and the junior champions entered the junior championship. This would be the 25th best club and 41st best club out of a total of 56. The current situation of the 9th and 25th gives Kerry teams an unfair advantage. The change would make no difference to the internal club championships in Kerry.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 21, 2022, 07:32:55 AM
I think the Kerry system is fascinating and it's a wonder other counties don't adopt a more similar approach. I know clubs won't vote for their demotion either.
Also here in Mayo the league and championship are two separate entities.
Leagues and Championships have no link in vast majority of Counties.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2022, 08:05:14 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 21, 2022, 01:42:28 AM
I've probably posted this a few times here already but just once more...
The aim in Kerry for many years now has been to 1)Keep the County Senior football championship as strong as possible so it is a testing ground for potential county players..and 2)That every single player in the county, regardless of their club's level, have an opportunity to play in the Senior c'ship through the Divisional teams.
Now, for the last 2 years this has meant there has only been 8 club teams and 8 divisional teams in the Senior championship. In my own view, 8 clubs is too few and they are currently reviewing this situation. I think it's likely they will increase to 10 clubs and 8 divisions this year or next. I think that would be a better balance. There is currently 16 clubs in Intermediate, 16 in Premier Junior, 16 in Junior. There are no second teams allowed in these championships unlike other counties. They have separate competitions. I'm not sure how it is proposed to alter the number of clubs - perhaps a 10 - 16 - 16 - 14 split, but I'm not entirely sure.
In case it needs to be said again, there is zero connection between county league and a club's championship grade in Kerry. This often gets thrown out there as an argument - Gneeveguilla who won the Premier Junior (and Munster Junior) last year, won Division 2 of the league and are therefore promoted to Div 1 for 2022. They beat Castleisland (an Intermediate club in 2021) in final. Na Gaeil, winners of Intermediate 2021, so Senior in 2022, are still in Division 2 below Gneeveguilla. League has no bearing or link to championship. Clubs play most league games without their county players, without players who spend summer on J1s etc (quite a decent number) so there are teams who do better than others in League.
Could keep typing but don't want to be very long winded..basically, the gradings are done for good reasons and even if there are 10 Senior clubs the Intermediate and Junior winners will still be strong. In Munster the strongest competition for Kerry clubs would usually be from Cork clubs, but they have a system for the last few years that has the winners of their 3rd tier championship entering Munster Intermediate and winners of 5th tier entering Munster Junior..hence, Kerry teams are largely winning the Inter and Junior football and often by large margins. The Cork situation needs changing and there is a proposal to rectify it being debated currently.
Anyway, as I've said before it's the way it's done down here. Divisional teams play in Cork SFC and should actually be very strong but are largely treated like sh*t, so haven't had very much success recently. A North Tipp combination won a Tipp SFC in last 10 years I know but I seem to recall there was a move to stop them playing thereafter?
Apart from that divisional teams don't seem to exist in many other places, when there would definitely be areas that could benefit from them surely..
Given the current split of clubs it would be much fairer if the premier junior champions entered the intermediate championship and the junior champions entered the junior championship. This would be the 25th best club and 41st best club out of a total of 56. The current situation of the 9th and 25th gives Kerry teams an unfair advantage. The change would make no difference to the internal club championships in Kerry.
Not exactly the most difficult thing to implement either, could even rebrand the Intermediate Championship to Senior B which would have the same impact.
Why would Kerry just arbitrarily pass over the winners of the second grade championship? That wouldn't make any sense and isn't going to happen.
If Cork sort out their gradings this won't even be a debate in a few years as Cork teams would be winning their fair share of Intermediate and Junior titles.
At the moment the Cork structure is:
Premier Senior (12 clubs) - winners to Munster Senior club
Senior A (12)
Premier Intermediate (12) - Winners to Munster Inter club
Intermediate A (16 clubs)
Junior A (Basically every other club in the county! Over 100..must be the largest championship in the country.) - Winners to Munster Junior club
So 1st, 3rd and 5th tier winners to Munster..which is them shooting themselves in the foot from a Munster club POV. There is a proposal being debated to rename grades, but if Top, 2nd and 3rd grade winners were allowed to enter Munster it would change the picture immeasurably and 50% of titles at all grades of football would be won by Cork teams. Even as is, Knocknagree won a Junior All Ireland a few years back.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 20, 2022, 08:38:16 PM
Kerry will do what suits Kerry, rest do what suits themselves.
Good luck with trying to get Clubs to vote for downgrading thenselves ;D
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Other counties can embrace the kerry system. Players from most junior clubs have the opportunity to player senior champion with the county championship.
In the terms of ranking Kerry club teams where would Na Gaeil be? They are currently the clear favourites for the Intermediate All-Ireland championship.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2022, 12:29:52 PM
In the terms of ranking Kerry club teams where would Na Gaeil be? They are currently the clear favourites for the Intermediate All-Ireland championship.
Yes and in my view Steelstown are a very high level side for Intermediate. So if they are heavy underdogs against Na Gaeil the Kerry team, think that says a lot
I'm watching Denn the Ulster junior champions play the Kerry junior champions in the All Ireland semi final at the moment.
Denn are 12 points down at half time. The Kerry side Gneeveguilla are clearly a Senior level side in any other county, nevermind an Intermediate and this is Junior level.
Incredible the Kerry County Board get away with this. Basically makes the Intermediate and Junior All Ireland club a non event due to bad grading system.
Watching the Steelstown game and Na Gaeil are kicking themselves out of it.
Steelstown have 1-4 and no wides. Na Gaeil 12 wides so far.
Steelstown have missed 2 great goal chances to finish the game off.
Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2022, 03:11:43 PM
Steelstown have missed 2 great goal chances to finish the game off.
Will be winning, awaiting to take a penalty deep into injury time. Long delay with a injury.
St Finbars very big powerful team can't see them loosing. Winning alot if 50/50 ball. Big crowd behind them.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 29, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
St Finbars very big powerful team can't see them loosing. Winning alot if 50/50 ball. Big crowd behind them.
Showing serious aggression and physicality
Kikcoo haven't had this as while I'd say
Need to watch as a few are on yellows already
Bejaysus these Cork boys are up for it 😃
St Finbars really playing on the edge I could see one of them being sent off this second half.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 29, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
St Finbars very big powerful team can't see them loosing. Winning alot if 50/50 ball. Big crowd behind them.
Yeah the crowd seems heavily Finbarrs. Played well first half but it's very scrapy stuff, frees given every 20 seconds nearly
Yes, it's not really what you associate with Cork football (or hurling)
Finbarrs 24 (I think?) went down faking injury after he scored the goal, poor stuff that. But then Kilcoo go down looking for frees very easy also.
Kilcoo need to use the space. Anytime they try to side step a Finbars player their met with a big blue wall. St Finbars want to win at all costs here even if it's ugly.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 29, 2022, 03:36:52 PM
Bejaysus these Cork boys are up for it 😃
Deserved 2 point lead at half time. Kilcoo haven't shown why they are favourites for this All Ireland in that 1st half.
Kilcoo have the wind advantage this half so expect them to now run at pace now that they heavy running has been done in the 1st half. Finbarrs heavily reliant on referee to get the ball into a scoring position
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2022, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2022, 03:11:43 PM
Steelstown have missed 2 great goal chances to finish the game off.
Will be winning, awaiting to take a penalty deep into injury time. Long delay with a injury.
Yes they've scored the penalty and win by 5.
Well done Steelstown, great win and good boost for Derry city (especially the weekend that's in it)
I see Na Gaeil style themselves as a senior GAA club on their Twitter account.
Finbarrs Kilcoo 1-7 each 47 minutes played.
Kilcoo hit the front 54 mins gone 1-9 to 1-8
1-9 each 57 mins played.
Kilcoo back in front, 4 mins of injury time to play.
level game again 1-10 each. about a 1 minute of injury time left
1-10 each it finished. Really sill from Aiden Brannigan, Kilcoo had the chance to kick the winner
Wow. What a score from a pressure free kick.
What a dive to win the free
Silly silly heure
Aidan Brannigan just got sent off and lost his side the free kick to win the match.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 29, 2022, 04:25:04 PM
Silly silly heure
If Kilcoo don't win this he won't be popular in kilcoo
Madness
What a idiot
Finbarrs dont seem to have a way of scoring from play. Heavily reliant on frees and that was a hell of a pressure one he hit to equalise the game.
Good game.
I'm expecting both sides to accumulate a pile of yellow cards in extra time.
Idiotic from Brannigan
Pure stupidity at the end by kilcoo. Cork man rolling like he got shot.
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 04:27:01 PM
Finbarrs dont seem to have a way of scoring from play. Heavily reliant on frees and that was a hell of a pressure one he hit to equalise the game.
They might just be heavily reliant on frees as Kilcoo foul them in most of their attacks!
Yep, absolutely daft action by Aidan Brannigan. Really poor discipline.
Really poor indiscipline there cost then the game and likely may lose in extra time. Although they are extremely fit.
Have to say I don't think it's a great game myself, very fussy refereeing, players feigning injury, massive amount of handpassing and little kickpassing.
Think Kilcoo are having a poor performance compared to what they're capable of. Finbarrs have played fairly well, very big team but using it well from kick outs.
Is it 15 a side in extra time
Quote from: thewobbler on January 29, 2022, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 04:27:01 PM
Finbarrs dont seem to have a way of scoring from play. Heavily reliant on frees and that was a hell of a pressure one he hit to equalise the game.
They might just be heavily reliant on frees as Kilcoo foul them in most of their attacks!
Yep and some really silly frees to give away. Case in point being that free at end for St Finbarrs. Kilcoo midfielder dragged the st Finbarrs player when not even in possession.
Really poor discipline.
half time in extra time. Finbarrs 1-12 Kilcoo 1-15
Kilcoo playing into the scoring end. 2nd half of extra time is where you would fancy the men lighter and more nimble on their feet. Anything can happen. I'd imagine kilcoo will play a lot more possession game this next ten minutes and pounce when they get the opportunity.
Kilcoo are horribly cynical
Aidan Brannigan should buy all them boys a pint tonight
Got him outta jail
Kilcoo 1-18 to 1-13. Aiden Brannigan will be especially pleased his team mates won that match in extra time.
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
Yer man suspended for final now?? If so - silly silly heure lol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 29, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
Yer man suspended for final now?? If so - silly silly heure lol
i'd say so. not like they need him based on the how well they closed out the game in extra time
Better team won in the end despite Brannigans stupidity. It will take a very good team to beat them now
Kilcoo played poorly. Could have easily lost..but they didnt. Their conditioning was superior to St Finbarrs as seen in extra time.
A few experienced heads like Lavery, Jerome Johnson and the free kickung of their Keeper steadied them.
Close call. I'd say Mickey Moran will be having some serious look at that daft fouling/discipline.
Unsure if can embed tweets but some pretty poor gamesmanship from the goal scorer tweeted here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DeclanMcNamee/status/1487449157438746629
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
They were diving from early in the first half
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
They were diving from early in the first half
They go down easy no doubt. But the worst dive of the match was from the Finbarrs goalscorer. They went down very easy too.
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
They were diving from early in the first half
kilcoo were done no favours by the ref today, done his best for finbarrs with a string of easy frees.
Big punch up in Kilmacud Pearses game at half time could be red cards coming. Poor game though
Quote from: full moon on January 29, 2022, 05:25:37 PM
Unsure if can embed tweets but some pretty poor gamesmanship from the goal scorer tweeted here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DeclanMcNamee/status/1487449157438746629
Embarrassing.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 29, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
Yer man suspended for final now?? If so - silly silly heure lol
If you watch the replay it was never ever a sending off, sure to get that overturned
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 03:42:42 PM
Kilcoo have the wind advantage this half so expect them to now run at pace now that they heavy running has been done in the 1st half. Finbarrs heavily reliant on referee to get the ball into a scoring position
Fair play ye boy ye, you were right on. That first half reminded me of the Cork vs Tyrone semifinal a whean of years ago. Kilcoo had better ball players, St Finbars were big boys.
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
They were diving from early in the first half
kilcoo were done no favours by the ref today, done his best for finbarrs with a string of easy frees.
I was about to give off about the ref I thought he was sore on Kilcoo. Decided to hold my tongue. Players acting the maggot didn't help his cause either.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 29, 2022, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 29, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: pjm on January 29, 2022, 05:03:26 PM
Kilcoo are horribly good at closing a game out
fixed it for you
They were diving from early in the first half
kilcoo were done no favours by the ref today, done his best for finbarrs with a string of easy frees.
I was about to give off about the ref I thought he was sore on Kilcoo. Decided to hold my tongue. Players acting the maggot didn't help his cause either.
There was a spell in the 2nd half of normal time were he gave finbarrs a load of easy frees and kilcoo couldn't buy one.
Quote from: full moon on January 29, 2022, 05:40:17 PM
Big punch up in Kilmacud Pearses game at half time could be red cards coming. Poor game though
Yes seen that. Few slaps alright. Kilmacud racing away with it.
Subs made the difference for Crokes
Ref was the same for both teams. Poor discipline by Kilcoo helped keep Barrs in it.
Sure, blame the ref again
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
Seen footage of the sending off on twitter it was never a red card although Kilcoo man was silly
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
I'd say they would as normal, yellow cards are scrapped also
Quote from: PTC on January 30, 2022, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
Seen footage of the sending off on twitter it was never a red card although Kilcoo man was silly
Tried looking but couldn't see it. You got a link?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2022, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
I'd say they would as normal, yellow cards are scrapped also
Are blacks carried over?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2022, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Any footage if Kilcoo red card? Were they allowed to start extra time with 15?
I'd say they would as normal, yellow cards are scrapped also
Are blacks carried over?
Noted are and if you're in the sin bin you have to stay I think until time is up on it, so based on that I'd say blacks are carried through