AIF 2021 -- Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: gaafan2 on September 13, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:39 PM
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref  :o

So it wasn't a penalty?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

tyrone08

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 13, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:39 PM
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref  :o

So it wasn't a penalty?

Are you Joe Mcquillan by any chance. Wasnt a penalty as he went through a tyrone player to get the ball. I don't have any definition of a black card, I looked at the rules. Burns didn't pull down or leg trip anyone there he couldn't have been black carded.
Also the rule is the ball has to be in the square before the player can be, though as a ref you would have know that

A player may enter the opponents' small rectangle:

DURING PLAY (FOOTBALL) - After the final play of the ball into the small rectangle

SET PLAY (FOOTBALL) - After the ball enters the small rectangle

HURLING - After the ball enters the small rectangle


seafoid

Quote from: mouview on September 13, 2021, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2021, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 13, 2021, 02:04:13 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2021, 10:53:20 PM
To echo a point made earlier..   its amazing that Tyrone beat  Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.

I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"

Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.

Or sometimes teams actually do beat themselves and lose a game they should have won hands down. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two big championship games in recent years where Tyrone beat themselves rather than have the opposition do it for them - 2010 against Dublin and 2016 against Mayo. They should have had both of those in their pockets and conspired to throw them away with ridiculous profligacy. That's what Mayo did on Saturday.

Don't agree that Mayo beat themselves on Saturday, in the sense that (bar the very early stages), they were never dominant or ahead in the match and contrived to throw away a good lead. Sure, they missed chances they should have taken, but that's no guarantee it would have swung the momentum back their way.

I always have a bit of a blindspot towards Tyrone in that I never rate them too highly; they really rode their luck in the semis against a Kerry team that showed more accuracy in shooting their feet instead of at the posts and I don't think they've ever mounted a great defence the following season when champions. Also, they got lucky off the breaks in the first half with the long kickouts and the first goal was really poor goalkeeping. However, not rating them is my failing, not theirs. Defensively, they gave an enviable masterclass on Saturday. I guess their longer odds for next year is more a reflection of the (presumably) longer, tougher route through Ulster they face than anything else.

Around 60% of all Irelands are won by the Dublin and Kerry franchises.
Maybe this year is seen as similar to the 2013 hurling . A free all Ireland

Normal service to be resumed next year.
Neither Kerry nor Dublin have many obstacles on the way to the semis.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Milltown Row2

The players were not in the square before the ball was played, watch it, the Tyrone lad was not fouled and he picked it off the ground. Burns brought player down for the free could be defined as deliberate.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Gaafan2

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 13, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:39 PM
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref  :o

So it wasn't a penalty?

Tyrone player was pushed to the ground inside the box when contesting the high ball in. I admit Burns did touch the ball on the ground after that incident but it s free out to Tyrone.

tiempo

"Duty of care" Jim on Sky criticised the run-up technique of O'Donoghue ahead of the penalty miss.

What a fvcking moron that man is.

Its a game of inches, I wonder was he as harsh on Michael Murphy when he missed a penalty with the last kick to win an U21 AI, or was his run-up technique beyond reproach and other factors that the grand wizard Jim would invariably know be at play.

blewuporstuffed

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 13, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:39 PM
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.

A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player

If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.

you must be a poor ref  :o

So it wasn't a penalty?
Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was  black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?

as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either

BennyCake

Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
Re: this curse. A lot was made of it when Armagh drew with Sligo in 2002. Suddenly this 'Armagh haven't won a championship match at Croke Park since 1977' began. I'd never heard of it until then and I'd say few others did.

In reality, we only played 4 or 5 games there since the 77 final. It's not like we were getting beat every year there.
They played five championship games in the 1999-2002 period alone without winning.

Their league record there was poor as well, losing the 1983, 1985 and 1994 League finals and losing to Dublin in the 1999 League semi-final in a replay.

We beat Laois in the NFL semis in 1994. We won QF and SF in 1985 , and the 1983 semis there too. But we didn't play championship in Croke Park from 82 to 99.

Sportacus

Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final.  Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme.  I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.

Hound

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 02:04:39 PM
The players were not in the square before the ball was played, watch it, the Tyrone lad was not fouled and he picked it off the ground. Burns brought player down for the free could be defined as deliberate.
But this was from a set play.
Very close call whether square ball or not.  My initial reaction was he timed his run very well, but haven't seen it in slow motion.

RedHand88

There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.

It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.

Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.

J70

Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final.  Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme.  I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.

Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.

sid waddell

Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final.  Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme.  I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Penalties were further out in those days and were regularly missed. The two metres or whatever it was made a big difference. You've got to be nailing them now.

That's the second crucial penalty Tyrone's opponents put wide this year after Murphy did it for Donegal.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 13, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.

It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.

Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.

It wasnt a square ball, watch it in slow mo. Ball played was in square players came in. It wasn't like some bog of pitch that you can't see lines, it clear . Push? Debatable at best, pick up clear.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

sid waddell

Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2021, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final.  Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme.  I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.

Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.
Redmond was not an elite penalty taker. His penalties were woejus, he seemed to completely lose the head and have no plan for what to do. As did other Dublin players of the time who took penalties.

Trevor Giles was also a free taking specialist and missed two penalties in All-Irelands. He also scored one. Against Mayo, of course.