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Re: Ulster Championship 2021
« Reply #780 on: July 23, 2021, 01:16:25 PM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

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I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

Here, just join your local club and ask for tickets through them. It doesn't cost much and sure it's a few pound to the local community. Don't get so worked up about it.

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« Reply #781 on: July 23, 2021, 01:59:11 PM »
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).

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« Reply #782 on: July 23, 2021, 02:12:00 PM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

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I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

I like to think so Nige.  8)

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« Reply #783 on: July 23, 2021, 02:14:51 PM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

I like to think so Nige.  8)


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« Reply #784 on: July 23, 2021, 02:43:20 PM »
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).
Oh give over holy fuckkk

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« Reply #785 on: July 23, 2021, 03:28:50 PM »
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).
Oh give over holy fuckkk

Athletic Grounds would have been the perfect neutral venue.

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« Reply #786 on: July 23, 2021, 04:16:43 PM »
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.
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« Reply #787 on: July 23, 2021, 04:29:55 PM »
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.


Ulster final was played in Croke Park from 04 to 06. The Connacht final on Sunday is in Croke Park. I doubt the players mind playing in a stadium like Croke Park, its actually a help before an All Ireland Semi final.

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« Reply #788 on: July 23, 2021, 05:47:48 PM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

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What about the mate/brother/sister/child of the club treasurer/secretary? Where do they come in?

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« Reply #789 on: July 23, 2021, 06:01:02 PM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

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« Reply #790 on: July 23, 2021, 06:12:08 PM »
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest. Bad decision bringing that final to Croke, both teams will find a way to shit themselves in the race to be declared losers.

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« Reply #791 on: July 23, 2021, 10:23:34 PM »
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest.
14,000 tickets sold up to this evening.
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« Reply #792 on: July 24, 2021, 12:03:12 AM »
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest. Bad decision bringing that final to Croke, both teams will find a way to shit themselves in the race to be declared losers.

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« Reply #793 on: July 24, 2021, 10:15:06 AM »
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

Itís very simple, tickets allocated are selected from a hat, names in the hat are paid up members of the club, club committee men should get preference and sponsors (thatís my opinion) , members are asked would they like their names put in for the draw, those interested say yes.

Itís not difficult, if your club benny are not doing it fair then pull them at the next agm and put a motion in thatíll allow for better transparency when handing out tickets. Obviously you can only bitch about it if you are a paid up member, if not, thatís hard cheese.
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« Reply #794 on: July 24, 2021, 11:07:10 AM »
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest.
14,000 tickets sold up to this evening.

Fs is that all, no supply and demand issues there, seen more at the club finals on Pattys day