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Title: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on June 21, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
Suppose we might as well start discussing...

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm)

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm)

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm)

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm)

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm)

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm)

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm)

Final: August 1 (3.15pm)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on June 21, 2021, 12:17:59 PM
Not much word yet about next Sunday. From our perspective we obviously hope Murphy, especially, and the rest of the injured players like Jamie Brennan, Neil McGee, Paddy McGrath etc. are back and match fit.

I guess it's tradition, but Down always make me nervous. Donegal do not want to let them to get a run at them. They let Cavan do it last year in the final, and could not get control of the game back, bar that period in the first half when Cavan were down to the black card.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 21, 2021, 01:35:56 PM
If Mickey Graham can pull this off again I've no doubt the pope will be in contact with him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 21, 2021, 01:58:01 PM
Suppose we might as well start discussing...

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) DONEGAL

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) MONAGHAN

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) ARMAGH

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) TYRONE

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm) DONEGAL

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm) ARMAGH

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm) DONEGAL

Final: August 1 (3.15pm) DONEGAL

Predictions in bold. Donegal to win it but a lot will depend on the fitness of Murphy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 21, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
Not much word yet about next Sunday. From our perspective we obviously hope Murphy, especially, and the rest of the injured players like Jamie Brennan, Neil McGee, Paddy McGrath etc. are back and match fit.

I guess it's tradition, but Down always make me nervous. Donegal do not want to let them to get a run at them. They let Cavan do it last year in the final, and could not get control of the game back, bar that period in the first half when Cavan were down to the black card.

Down will not make it easy for Donegal in Newry. They will flood the defence and will not kick the ball very much ball in typical Tally style. However they simply lack the quality required to beat Donegal. Complacency is what beat Donegal last year against Cavan and I don't see them making the same mistake again.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ardchieftain on June 21, 2021, 02:00:45 PM
On paper it looks like Armagh v Monaghan and tyrone v Donegal, to make the semi finals, but after last year year ye just can't be sure.
From an Armagh perspective, the primary mission of survival in the top flight has been achieved but this raises expectations with many supporters expecting an Ulster final appearance now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 21, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
On paper it looks like Armagh v Monaghan and tyrone v Donegal, to make the semi finals, but after last year year ye just can't be sure.
From an Armagh perspective, the primary mission of survival in the top flight has been achieved but this raises expectations with many supporters expecting an Ulster final appearance now.
An Ulster final appearance is definitely a realistic goal and Iíd definitely be disappointed if we didnít get to one. No excuses not to be beating Antrim and we are definitely a better team than Monaghan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on June 21, 2021, 02:39:53 PM
Suppose we might as well start discussing...

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) DONEGAL

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) MONAGHAN

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) ARMAGH

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) TYRONE

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm) DONEGAL

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm) ARMAGH

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm) DONEGAL

Final: August 1 (3.15pm) DONEGAL

Predictions in bold. Donegal to win it but a lot will depend on the fitness of Murphy.

If we pull manage to pull it off this year, it'll be probably the hardest Ulster we've ever won.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on June 21, 2021, 02:41:35 PM
Reminds me of the 1990s (especially 1997-98)

Armagh dark horses for Ulster  ::)

Armagh should easily beat Antrim, but given the way they clawed their way out of Division 4, they will be well up for it and it would be one of those games that you wouldn't want finishing up in a dogfight.  Monaghan will definitely beat Fermanagh, and them and Armagh are pretty evenly matched.  Recent performances would give Armagh the nod, but when you consider how Monaghan scraped their way past Galway, you couldn't bet against them. 

While I think this Armagh team have bags of talent and plenty of experience, this year seems a step too far. Progress has been slow but steady in the last few years and you would expect that to continue, even if they seem to have taken a leap forward this year through their league performances.  If they make the Ulster Final  - which they haven't done in 13 years, they'll be doing very well. 

Meanwhile, my other predictions:  ;D

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) DONEGAL

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) MONAGHAN

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) ARMAGH

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) TYRONE by a lot

Quarter-final: Derry v Donegal, July 11 (4pm) DRAW - DONEGAL TO WIN AET

Semi-final: Armagh v Monaghan, July 17 (4pm) DRAW - ARMAGH TO WIN AET

Semi-final: Tyrone v Donegal July 18 (2pm) DONEGAL by a cricket score setting Tyrone football back a generation

Final: August 1 (3.15pm) DONEGAL just about
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 21, 2021, 02:54:54 PM
This is a more open ulster championship than in a long time. There are quite a few genuine contenders. If Murphy is properly fit it changes everything but I am not sure he will be in early stages at least.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 21, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
Opportunity is there for Armagh to reach their first Ulster final in 13 years however it would be typical of Armagh when expectations are on that they don't grasp that opportunity.

Donegal look best placed to regain Anglo Celt Cup and incredibly for a side ranked top 4 for the last number of years this should be their first All Ireland semi final since 2014.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 21, 2021, 03:16:52 PM
Something tells me to be more worried about Antrim than Monaghan. Armagh always find it hard to put teams away when we are favourites.

Anyway I donít like to get too far ahead of myself, but we are definitely going to win Ulster this year! ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on June 21, 2021, 03:31:05 PM
Suppose we might as well start discussing...

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) Donegal easily in a borefest

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) Monaghan easily in a borefest

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) Armagh will eventually win easy

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) Tyrone to win easily

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm) Donegal beat Derry in a tight game

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm) Monaghan to beat an Armagh team to keep their poor record in Ulster going

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm) Donegal after a draw if Murphy is 100% fit - if not Tyrone

Final: August 1 (3.15pm) Donegal to beat Monaghan by 5

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: naka on June 21, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
Suppose we might as well start discussing...

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) Donegal

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) monaghan

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) armagh

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) tyrone

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm) donegal

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm) armagh

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm) tyrone

Final: August 1 (3.15pm)  armagh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 21, 2021, 06:45:52 PM

Armagh should easily beat Antrim, but given the way they clawed their way out of Division 4, they will be well up for it and it would be one of those games that you wouldn't want finishing up in a dogfight. 

The standard in Division 4 was absolutely miles off Division 1.
Antrim won't be laying a glove on Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprise if Donegal build form and improve as the championship goes on.
I have a feeling that this will be the most predictable championship in a long while.

Preliminary round: Down v Donegal, June 27 (1.15pm) Donegal

Quarter-final: Monaghan v Fermanagh, July 3 (3.30pm) Monaghan

Quarter-final: Armagh v Antrim, July 4 (3.30pm) Armagh

Quarter-final: Tyrone v Cavan, July 10 (4.30pm) Tyrone

Quarter-final: Derry v Down/Donegal, July 11 (4pm) Donegal

Semi-final: Armagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Fermanagh, July 17 (4pm) Armagh

Semi-final: Tyrone/Cavan v Down/Donegal/Derry, July 18 (2pm) Donegal

Final: August 1 (3.15pm) Donegal to beat Armagh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 21, 2021, 07:23:22 PM
I think Armagh will breeze past Antrim but will yet again shite themselves in the semi which should be Monaghsn, although they will be made to fight against Fermanagh.

Donegal will take Down handy enough. I was really optimistic for a Cavan win against Tyrone when the draw was made but it would be heart ruling head to think that now. Tyrone v Donegal semi, I would say Donegal by a few points there and beat Monaghan in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 21, 2021, 08:14:40 PM
I think Armagh will breeze past Antrim but will yet again shite themselves in the semi which should be Monaghsn, although they will be made to fight against Fermanagh.

Donegal will take Down handy enough. I was really optimistic for a Cavan win against Tyrone when the draw was made but it would be heart ruling head to think that now. Tyrone v Donegal semi, I would say Donegal by a few points there and beat Monaghan in the final.

Why was that, don't Cavan have an awful record against Tyrone at senior level over the last number of years?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
I dunno. Donegal were well placed (according to most) to take out Dublin last year and look what happened. A lot depends on how long Murphy is out for.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 21, 2021, 10:55:16 PM
I think Armagh will breeze past Antrim but will yet again shite themselves in the semi which should be Monaghsn, although they will be made to fight against Fermanagh.

Donegal will take Down handy enough. I was really optimistic for a Cavan win against Tyrone when the draw was made but it would be heart ruling head to think that now. Tyrone v Donegal semi, I would say Donegal by a few points there and beat Monaghan in the final.

Why was that, don't Cavan have an awful record against Tyrone at senior level over the last number of years?

Cavan were ulster champions, Graham has worked wonders and Tyrone is in transition. That's why I don't think Tyrone will do much this year but I don't think cavan are going to be the ones to stop them now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on June 22, 2021, 02:57:01 AM
I dunno. Donegal were well placed (according to most) to take out Dublin last year and look what happened. A lot depends on how long Murphy is out for.

No they werenít.

Some (foolishly IMO, as I said at the time) thought we were the best hope to give them a game once Kerry were gone, but few gave us a realistic chance of beating them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 22, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
I dunno. Donegal were well placed (according to most) to take out Dublin last year and look what happened. A lot depends on how long Murphy is out for.

Don't  know where this Donegal can put up to Dublin.  Kerry and Mayo way ahead of Donegal. Bonner hasn't done much as senior manager. Like all Ulster teams in recent years playing with the handbrake on.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: greatpoint on June 22, 2021, 05:04:46 PM
I dunno. Donegal were well placed (according to most) to take out Dublin last year and look what happened. A lot depends on how long Murphy is out for.

Don't  know where this Donegal can put up to Dublin.  Kerry and Mayo way ahead of Donegal. Bonner hasn't done much as senior manager. Like all teams in recent years playing with the handbrake on.

Donegal drew with Kerry in Croke Park in the last normal championship didn't they? The 2018 & 2019 Ulster titles surely count for something that Bonner has done, they've won every game in league and championship against Tyrone since 2018 as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2021, 05:16:08 PM
We will beat Antrim handy enough. Monaghan wil be a different prospect than the last two times we played them. I expect that win over Galway to galvanise them
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2021, 05:41:11 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 22, 2021, 05:44:12 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 22, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.

Would be typical of Armagh to slip up against a team they should be beating comfortably. Antrim haven't lost a game however their form of beating Louth, Sligo and Leitrim by 1 point does not suggest they are in a position to take a division 1 team out so as ever its about whatever Armagh side turns up
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 22, 2021, 06:12:29 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.

Would be typical of Armagh to slip up against a team they should be beating comfortably. Antrim haven't lost a game however their form of beating Louth, Sligo and Leitrim by 1 point does not suggest they are in a position to take a division 1 team out so as ever its about whatever Armagh side turns up

There are a lot of things that do not sit well with me when Armagh fans start to fancy their chances. Our history in Ulster under McGeeney has not been great and we always slip up somewhere. Antrim might not be a division 1 team but they should be approached, respected and played against like they are one. No getting ahead of ourselves thinking it is a win in the bag. I don't like the mindset of us expecting a win because it breeds a horrible arrogance that we haven't backed up in the championship. We definitely have a very good team but its time we started living up to the expectations.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 22, 2021, 06:37:12 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Really? Where?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2021, 07:51:27 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.

Would be typical of Armagh to slip up against a team they should be beating comfortably. Antrim haven't lost a game however their form of beating Louth, Sligo and Leitrim by 1 point does not suggest they are in a position to take a division 1 team out so as ever its about whatever Armagh side turns up

There are a lot of things that do not sit well with me when Armagh fans start to fancy their chances. Our history in Ulster under McGeeney has not been great and we always slip up somewhere. Antrim might not be a division 1 team but they should be approached, respected and played against like they are one. No getting ahead of ourselves thinking it is a win in the bag. I don't like the mindset of us expecting a win because it breeds a horrible arrogance that we haven't backed up in the championship. We definitely have a very good team but its time we started living up to the expectations.

A div1 team against a Div4 team should only be a matter of turning up in GAA football terms, iíd say the handicap betting will be around -8 or -9 points.

Depending on how we approach the game will decide that handicap, weíre just happy to get out of Div4, we need to score 3 goals to have a chance, but not let that in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 22, 2021, 08:00:15 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.

Would be typical of Armagh to slip up against a team they should be beating comfortably. Antrim haven't lost a game however their form of beating Louth, Sligo and Leitrim by 1 point does not suggest they are in a position to take a division 1 team out so as ever its about whatever Armagh side turns up

There are a lot of things that do not sit well with me when Armagh fans start to fancy their chances. Our history in Ulster under McGeeney has not been great and we always slip up somewhere. Antrim might not be a division 1 team but they should be approached, respected and played against like they are one. No getting ahead of ourselves thinking it is a win in the bag. I don't like the mindset of us expecting a win because it breeds a horrible arrogance that we haven't backed up in the championship. We definitely have a very good team but its time we started living up to the expectations.

A div1 team against a Div4 team should only be a matter of turning up in GAA football terms, iíd say the handicap betting will be around -8 or -9 points.

Depending on how we approach the game will decide that handicap, weíre just happy to get out of Div4, we need to score 3 goals to have a chance, but not let that in.

We have been in D1 for one season in a reduced league - although we gave a good account of ourselves against the best teams in Ulster it was the league. It was not that long ago we were yo yo'ing between D2 and 3. I would prefer it if Antrim were treated like any other team we have played against. I am not against having some optimism about beating teams but I think there should be some caution to go with it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on June 22, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Armagh should be beating Antrim handy based on league position.  But it is a serious banana skin and will not want to end up in a dogfight. 
That's the message from most.  No arrogance there. 

However, with no backdoor, every game is "on the day" and there will be surprises.  Armagh need to be very careful with this one. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2021, 09:14:38 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Itís hardly arrogance to expect us to beat a division 4 team handily enough now is it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: The Trap on June 22, 2021, 09:57:51 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ck on June 22, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 22, 2021, 11:41:36 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.

Are the defending Ulster champions no one?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 22, 2021, 11:55:50 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.
No excuses for not beating Antrim. No disrespect to them but if we lose serious questions need asking.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 22, 2021, 11:56:34 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.

Are the defending Ulster champions no one?

Seems so judging by this thread
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 22, 2021, 11:57:28 PM
I wish Armagh fans would stop expecting a win over Antrim. We have won two games in Ulster in the past 5/6 years ffs. Antrim haven't lost a game all season and we have been caught short many times. Cavan reached the final last year and are now in Division 4.

Would be typical of Armagh to slip up against a team they should be beating comfortably. Antrim haven't lost a game however their form of beating Louth, Sligo and Leitrim by 1 point does not suggest they are in a position to take a division 1 team out so as ever its about whatever Armagh side turns up

There are a lot of things that do not sit well with me when Armagh fans start to fancy their chances. Our history in Ulster under McGeeney has not been great and we always slip up somewhere. Antrim might not be a division 1 team but they should be approached, respected and played against like they are one. No getting ahead of ourselves thinking it is a win in the bag. I don't like the mindset of us expecting a win because it breeds a horrible arrogance that we haven't backed up in the championship. We definitely have a very good team but its time we started living up to the expectations.
Agreed. This bunch of players is good enough to be in D1 and reaching Ulster finals, itís time we started doing that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 22, 2021, 11:58:35 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.

Are the defending Ulster champions no one?
Depends which Cavan turn upÖ.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 23, 2021, 08:29:01 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Itís hardly arrogance to expect us to beat a division 4 team handily enough now is it

Over the last 11 years of championship, teams who played in Division 4 teams have beaten teams who played in Division 1 just twice.
Longford beating Mayo in 2010 and Carlow beating Kildare in 2018.
The Carlow game was notable in that Carlow didn't kick a single wide in the whole game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on June 24, 2021, 09:48:04 AM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.

Are the defending Ulster champions no one?

Seems so judging by this thread

It hasn't happened for Cavan this year and I suspect their championship will be very short lived.
As for Derry, we've won all our games convincingly this year and have undoubtedly come on in leaps and bounds.
BUT.....we are an unknown quantity against a quality Div1/2 side. We gave Armagh a decent game last year and could have sneaked it but Armagh were better. This year we have improved but that's all we can say and I think expectations need to be realistic. It might be a year early to challenge ulster....but we should be competitive against anyone I think.
If we end up playing Donegal (which isn't a complete given) I think we will not be far away. Gallagher will know them inside out and I'm not sure Bonner is a great tactician.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 24, 2021, 10:21:51 AM
While Donegal aren't firing I think Down aren't in great shape. For me Donegal, Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh 4 best with Derry a bit of an unknown then a bit of a gap with Down Cavan and Antrim below them. Cavan should be up there with Derry but have just dropped off a bit this year. Tbh Down should be too but they have a lot of their better players not playing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 24, 2021, 11:11:30 AM
I think the nature of this season, the shortness of the league and the championship, means that I would put a major health warning on league performances as a guide to championship. That doesnt excuse the deplorable performances by Cavan this year for example and I think the gap from where they finished the league to where they need to be to beat Tyrone is too much. However I dont actually expect much from Derry who I think were at full pelt in the league. I think Down will improve drastically from the league. Armagh probably put too much into the league and I dont think they will make the final. Just my thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 24, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
I do wonder how fit Derry are relative to other teams and whether other teams will catch up.

Down, even talking to some Down ones, don't have much optimism about them at present from the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on June 24, 2021, 12:41:38 PM
Really it should be a semi final line up of the four division one teams, Donegal v Tyrone and Monaghan v Armagh.......anything else would be a shock.........but there is nearly always one.......

Agree completely.
Armagh will hammer Antrim, we all know that. Donegal will do likewise to Down. There will be no shocks here.
The only "shock" that could come would be Derry to beat Donegal, but I can't see it. Beating Offaly means nothing and Derry really have beaten no-one.
The semi finals should be interesting.

Are the defending Ulster champions no one?

Seems so judging by this thread

It hasn't happened for Cavan this year and I suspect their championship will be very short lived.
As for Derry, we've won all our games convincingly this year and have undoubtedly come on in leaps and bounds.
BUT.....we are an unknown quantity against a quality Div1/2 side. We gave Armagh a decent game last year and could have sneaked it but Armagh were better. This year we have improved but that's all we can say and I think expectations need to be realistic. It might be a year early to challenge ulster....but we should be competitive against anyone I think.
If we end up playing Donegal (which isn't a complete given) I think we will not be far away. Gallagher will know them inside out and I'm not sure Bonner is a great tactician.

I think that's why Rochford was brought on board.

That said, fitness and intensity is what has finished us this past couple of seasons once the skillsets were leveled up as the seasons went on.

Both Cavan and Mayo physically outworked and bullied us in knocking us out in 2019 and 2020. In 2018, we were sitting in a great position, four points up against Tyrone with 15 left, but we couldn't deal with the movement of Lee Brennan and Harte's other subs when introduced in the second half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 24, 2021, 02:37:21 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Itís hardly arrogance to expect us to beat a division 4 team handily enough now is it

Over the last 11 years of championship, teams who played in Division 4 teams have beaten teams who played in Division 1 just twice.
Longford beating Mayo in 2010 and Carlow beating Kildare in 2018.
The Carlow game was notable in that Carlow didn't kick a single wide in the whole game.

I think Longford just relegated to D4 took Derry out who made D1 final in 2013-14?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on June 24, 2021, 04:25:18 PM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Itís hardly arrogance to expect us to beat a division 4 team handily enough now is it

Over the last 11 years of championship, teams who played in Division 4 teams have beaten teams who played in Division 1 just twice.
Longford beating Mayo in 2010 and Carlow beating Kildare in 2018.
The Carlow game was notable in that Carlow didn't kick a single wide in the whole game.

I think Longford just relegated to D4 took Derry out who made D1 final in 2013-14?

There is little arrogance is expecting a division 1 team to beat a newly promoted division 3 team, there is a bit of a gap there at the moment in terms of quality of teams played over the past few weeks, but, winning does breed confidence and Antrim should not be underestimated. 
Donegal have to be favourites for Ulster though, and the run of games they will have if they continue to win should set them up well for a semi final against what you would assume Kerry, Mayo or Dublin. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 24, 2021, 04:53:09 PM
Ulster winners play Munster winners this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 24, 2021, 08:48:50 PM
Ulster winners play Munster winners this year.

Better than meeting Dublin I suppose
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: snoopdog on June 24, 2021, 10:43:59 PM
I think Ulster play connacht.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on June 24, 2021, 11:11:54 PM
No, Ulster winners play Munster. Leinster v Connacht
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: snoopdog on June 25, 2021, 08:51:47 AM
No, Ulster winners play Munster. Leinster v Connacht
Yep I see that on skysports.i thought I'd seen it as munster v leinster semi. As a Down man I wont have to worry about it my interest will finish on Sunday unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 25, 2021, 09:17:08 AM
No, Ulster winners play Munster. Leinster v Connacht
Yep I see that on skysports.i thought I'd seen it as munster v leinster semi. As a Down man I wont have to worry about it my interest will finish on Sunday unfortunately.
As if Croke Park want the Dubs meeting Kerry before the final!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
Are the BBC covering the Ulster championship this year?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Eire90 on June 25, 2021, 10:21:10 AM
aye i think so
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 25, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
No, Ulster winners play Munster. Leinster v Connacht
Yep I see that on skysports.i thought I'd seen it as munster v leinster semi. As a Down man I wont have to worry about it my interest will finish on Sunday unfortunately.
As if Croke Park want the Dubs meeting Kerry before the final!
It's based on the old pre 2001 rotas.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
A shocking level of arrogance coming from the Armagh contingent here.

Itís hardly arrogance to expect us to beat a division 4 team handily enough now is it
Well I certainly did expect a smidgen of sarcasm detection.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Are the BBC covering the Ulster championship this year?

Yes.
Quote

The TV coverage of the Menís Senior Ulster football Championship will start with the preliminary round match between Down and Donegal on Sunday 27 June. BBC Sport NI also has live coverage of the quarter finals - Monaghan v Fermanagh, Armagh v Antrim, Derry v Down/Donegal, the semi-final on Sunday 18 July as well as the Ulster Final on Sunday 01 August. All the games will be broadcast on BBC Two Northern Ireland

There will also be full deferred coverage of the other two games (Tyrone v Cavan, Saturday 10 July and the semi-final on Saturday 17 July) on BBC Two Northern Ireland later on those days.

Mark Sidebottom will present the television coverage and will be joined by All-Ireland winners Oisin McConville, Peter Canavan and Mickey Harte. Donegalís Martin McHugh, who lifted the Sam Maguire in 1992, will also provide analysis, as will former All-Star and All-Ireland finalist Martin Clarke.

Thomas Niblock will be on commentary with Thomas Kane providing live updates from the sideline.

Award winning broadcaster, Tessa Fleming, who has won club Championships in Meath, Louth and Monaghan, will be interviewing the players and managers before and after the matches.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2021, 08:36:35 AM
You canít ask for more than that
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on June 26, 2021, 10:22:48 AM
I think 6 teams could possibly win Ulster.

Would definitely exclude Antrim and Fermanagh. Down are highly unlikely.

Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone could string 3 wins (or 4) together like Cavan last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 26, 2021, 11:06:22 PM
Some whining done over Derrys supposed fitness this year!  ???
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ardtole on June 27, 2021, 06:52:57 AM
Some whining done over Derrys supposed fitness this year!  ???
I was thinking that myself. You would swear every other county footballer was drinking cans and eating takeaways every night, this last 12 months.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bannside on June 27, 2021, 10:07:50 AM
Seriously why would you even bring this subject up? My advice is don't go there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 27, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Backed down at 12.5. Price too good to overlook
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 27, 2021, 01:07:24 PM
Down have had 3 scoring opportunities and taken none of them.

Donegal have had 3 scoring opportunities and taken all of them.

6 minutes gone
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
Down have had 3 scoring opportunities and taken none of them.

Donegal have had 3 scoring opportunities and taken all of them.

6 minutes gone

One of the keys differences between a side that reached the Div 1 Semi final and the other that played in a Div 2 relegation play off.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 01:20:09 PM
Funny how no masks required in the crowd at this game but enforced fairly strictly at Croke Park last week
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 27, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
Mcbrearty tried a sneaky one playing on after claiming a mark. Glad the ref pulled him up on it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 01:27:47 PM
Has maurice just forgotten the rules there. Donegal had advantage, mcbrearty overcarried it which is a down free and he brings it back to original donegal free?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2021, 01:30:54 PM
Murphy off injured after 29 minutes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 27, 2021, 01:33:21 PM
Down conceding donegal kick out is really stupid
And whatever they are trying to do on their own kick out is failing miserably.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 27, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
Steps......
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2021, 01:36:03 PM
Jamie Brennan goal some finish. Awful play by Down on their own kick out. 9 points between the sides now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 01:36:14 PM
Man over carried that a mile
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 27, 2021, 01:36:19 PM
Jamie Brennan 600 steps then goal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 01:36:24 PM
Good refereeing there only the 10 steps taken for donegal goal  ???
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyroneman on June 27, 2021, 01:36:58 PM
Good finish but ffs...14-15 steps.

Took 5-6 just to steady himself, then ran on.

Ridiculous referee let that go.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 27, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
Good finish but ffs...14-15 steps.

Took 5-6 just to steady himself, then ran on.

Ridiculous referee let that go.

Ridiculous is Maurice Deegans middle name
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 01:39:17 PM
Replay at 13 steps,horrible
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 27, 2021, 01:39:34 PM
I counted 13. Tiny steps dont count no more
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 27, 2021, 01:40:43 PM
Liverpoolís Steve McManaman black card. According to commentator anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on June 27, 2021, 01:44:39 PM
I see athletic Boys and Girls at underage with poor soloing skills repeatedly take 7/8 steps. And get away with it every time. The only way to stop them is to foul.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 27, 2021, 01:45:02 PM
Sure he was looking at the ball, couldn't be a foul 🙄
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Go home ref on June 27, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
Down absolutely abysmal 15 men behind the ball marking space yet Donegal are always in space for one score there were 3 down defenders running away from the scorer with their back turned. Awful hateful stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
cant wait to hear Maurice justifying that decision in the post match interview.. oh wait
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
There is more physicality allowed in Ladies football now than menís. Itís a glorified 7 a side possession based contest where any attack that fails to end in a score is a failure. Deegans style of refereeing definitely does nothing to aid the spectacle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 02:08:34 PM
Down have missed some amount of chances, very inefficient and lack a bit of quality up front. They are troubling Donegal when they run at them, Mooney has been electric this half.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 27, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
Donegal definitely susceptible to direct running - particularly on the left side of their defense.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: befair on June 27, 2021, 02:17:57 PM
Stupid red card; we'd been decent in the 2nd half, could have had it back to 5 pts (despite 4-5 wides already). All over now
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 02:23:14 PM
Based on this game Derry will have a real chance against Donegal who have given up a serious amount of chances against a poor Down side.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 27, 2021, 02:28:12 PM
Shades of David Seaman against Sheffield Utd from that Patton save
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on June 27, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
Game being played at snails pace now!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 27, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
Down 1-12 Donegal 2-25. Routine victory for Donegal in a contest that was won early. Down might have lost by a more narrow margin if they kept 15 men on the field and had taken their other goal scoring chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 02:39:07 PM
Iíve seen some pundits complaining that the season is over for the likes of Clare, Sligo and Down. For what, to delay the inevitable and another potential mauling a few games on. The issue is having a properly tiered championship structure.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 27, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
Iíve seen some pundits complaining that the season is over for the likes of Clare, Sligo and Down. For what, to delay the inevitable and another potential mauling a few games on. The issue is having a properly tiered championship structure.
We have that. It's called the league
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2021, 02:46:50 PM
Donegal obviously better than Down but the All Ireland titles gap between the 2 won't be narrowed this year for all of that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 02:51:05 PM
Iíve seen some pundits complaining that the season is over for the likes of Clare, Sligo and Down. For what, to delay the inevitable and another potential mauling a few games on. The issue is having a properly tiered championship structure.
We have that. It's called the league

Yes, I agree with that. I wouldnít be against a tier 2 championship either though.

Im surprised at these pundits who seem to want a more league based championship though, I think a lot of them are only thinking of the extra media work for themselves. Vested interests at play. I certainly donít feel any appetite for an extended inter county championship on the ground.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 27, 2021, 03:21:35 PM
Tbh it's much better for club stuff that it's not extended.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 27, 2021, 03:24:16 PM
Iíve seen some pundits complaining that the season is over for the likes of Clare, Sligo and Down. For what, to delay the inevitable and another potential mauling a few games on. The issue is having a properly tiered championship structure.
We have that. It's called the league

Yes, I agree with that. I wouldnít be against a tier 2 championship either though.

Im surprised at these pundits who seem to want a more league based championship though, I think a lot of them are only thinking of the extra media work for themselves. Vested interests at play. I certainly donít feel any appetite for an extended inter county championship on the ground.

If there were no COVID, Clare and Down would be going into the top tier qualifiers, while Sligo would be going into the Tailteann Cup.

If you asked the players involved whether they would prefer that as opposed to being done for the year, the players would be overwhelmingly in favour.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 27, 2021, 03:32:25 PM
Shades of David Seaman against Sheffield Utd from that Patton save

Is that the one where the forward ended up with Seaman over him?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 03:51:15 PM
The minute they formed a top tier division 1 15 odd yrs ago, it's been an exclusive club. League system was better when it was 4 equal divisions with the top 2 of each going to quarter finals. It wouldn't do the lower strength teams any good but it would have improved the current strength of tier 2 teams
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 27, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
The minute they formed a top tier division 1 15 odd yrs ago, it's been an exclusive club. League system was better when it was 4 equal divisions with the top 2 of each going to quarter finals. It wouldn't do the lower strength teams any good but it would have improved the current strength of tier 2 teams

Why do you think it would have improved the current strength of the tier 2 teams?
Plenty of Tier 2 teams have gone up to Division 1 over the years and have struggled massively.
If you had the old system of 4 equal divisions with the top 2 going to quarter finals it would make a complete farce of the league.
It would do little to doing for Division 3 and Division 4 teams except reduce the number of competitive games they would play and increase the number of hammerings they would get.
I think it would do very little for Division 2 teams - instead of 7 games against Division 2 opposition they would get 2 games against Division 4 teams, 2 games against Division 3 teams, 1 game against Division 2 teams and 2 games against Division 1 teams. Division 1 teams would have 4 games against Division 3 and Division3 4 teams, 2 games against Division 2 teams and 1 game against Division 1 teams. You would have a vast amount of hammerings and non-competitive games under this format until you eventually got down to the quarter-finals.
Also it would take at least 2 weeks longer to run off the league under this system.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 27, 2021, 05:16:21 PM
Based on this game Derry will have a real chance against Donegal who have given up a serious amount of chances against a poor Down side.

I wouldn't give Derry much chance to be honest to beat Donegal in Ballybofe
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Based on this game Derry will have a real chance against Donegal who have given up a serious amount of chances against a poor Down side.

I wouldn't give Derry much chance to be honest to beat Donegal in Ballybofe

Donegal will be rightful favourites. However that score line today does not tell the full story of the match. Down created 4 good goal chances whilst both their finishing and shot selection at times left a lot to be desired. Donegal raised more questions than answers from a defensive viewpoint. Whether Derry have the quality to beat them Im not sure but I do expect it will be an awful lot more competitive than today and it looks like Murphy will be out for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 27, 2021, 05:39:45 PM
Donegal are on the road to a hiding if they do not sort their defence out. I do expect them to go into blanket defence mode against teams that have more of a threat up front
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: sid waddell on June 27, 2021, 05:49:58 PM
The minute they formed a top tier division 1 15 odd yrs ago, it's been an exclusive club. League system was better when it was 4 equal divisions with the top 2 of each going to quarter finals. It wouldn't do the lower strength teams any good but it would have improved the current strength of tier 2 teams
I was blue in the face making that point last winter

I didn't bother watching Down v Donegal today, what's the point

Offaly v Louth was fun on the radio but Offaly will be smashed next time out

Down has effectively ceased to exist as a football county, and they don't care one bit

If the GAA don't find a way to somewhat equalise competition, the organisation will slide into irrelevancy in Irish life

The GAA cannot thrive if it does not have a functioning and exciting top level competition
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 06:13:21 PM
Why would tier 2 teams improve, simple the division 1 teams would not be playing each other all the time keeping them at a high level. And the tier 2 teams would start to bridge a smaller gap.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 06:19:18 PM
That's the way the old system worked. Top 2 each section played quarterfinals and it was a variety of teams which played qf. The current structure does nothing for Div 3/4 teams but as also managed to drag down Div 2 teams too. Kildare, Meath, Offaly, Down, Derry, Laois were better teams in the 90's. Even like like Louth, Leitrim wexford, were better then than now, so playing same level teams has just kept them at a lower level.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2021, 06:23:01 PM
Outside of the Robin round format who's the last team to win a ulster championship game in Ballybofey?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 27, 2021, 06:32:25 PM
How many teams though even have full commitment from the best players in their county. Derry suffered for years. Even Dublin are missing mannion and mccaffrey now but they just have players to replace them. Most other counties donít. Look at down - their club scene is dominated by kilcoo yet very few players. The level of commitment now requires player buy in over minimum a couple of years.

Divisions the way they are definitely a factor but the way the game has gone with commitment levels not helping.

(Might surprisingly be Antrim wild weasel lol)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
Outside of the Robin round format who's the last team to win a ulster championship game in Ballybofey?
Down 2010
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on June 27, 2021, 06:54:25 PM
Based on this game Derry will have a real chance against Donegal who have given up a serious amount of chances against a poor Down side.

I wouldn't give Derry much chance to be honest to beat Donegal in Ballybofe

Donegal will be rightful favourites. However that score line today does not tell the full story of the match. Down created 4 good goal chances whilst both their finishing and shot selection at times left a lot to be desired. Donegal raised more questions than answers from a defensive viewpoint. Whether Derry have the quality to beat them Im not sure but I do expect it will be an awful lot more competitive than today and it looks like Murphy will be out for a few weeks.

He's still smarting from Derry beating Cavan

* Full disclosure, Derry had been training 8 days a week for months and months  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 27, 2021, 08:05:37 PM
Itchy, did a Derry man wipe your eye in a previous lifetime!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2021, 08:21:25 PM
Iíve seen some pundits complaining that the season is over for the likes of Clare, Sligo and Down. For what, to delay the inevitable and another potential mauling a few games on. The issue is having a properly tiered championship structure.
We have that. It's called the league

So tell me, Iím really intrigued, what changes from a team playing div 4 to playing a team div 1 in championship? And Iím curious to know how many div 4 teams have won an all Ireland
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 27, 2021, 08:36:59 PM
We have moved away from an amateur game as a lot of counties now have semi to full professional setups. What do you expect to the counties in the lower divisions who still treat football like an amateur game? They are going to drift further and further away from the top teams and then they will see it as a waste of money investing because they are never going to catch up so what is the point? That is only one part of the problem, you need to have players that are going to dedicate themselves to it and that means putting in the hours training, eating right and other things being put on hold.

Anyway back to todays game.

I have only watched Down twice this season and in their game against Westmeath they were very lucky to stay in division 2. I felt Westmeath were too interested in goals rather than point and if it had been a normal season Down would have certainly went down to D3. They had moments in todays game but they were very brief and came when the game was won by Donegal. I would find it very difficult to find any positive from a Down perspective, it has been an awful season and Down are not offering anything - tactically they are shocking!

Donegal were good but it was a victory they didn't have to work hard for. Derry may offer a stronger challenge but I think Donegal might choke the life out of them in the first half. If Donegal were to play Monaghan or Tyrone next I wouldn't have fancied them. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StephenC on June 27, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
A win is a win I suppose but we learned very little from it. We're still very open at the back and are likely to leak a lot of goals. Michael's injury is massive worry - even if it's just a precaution today, he clearly has an underlying problem.

Hard luck to Down. An upgrade to your kick-out strategy and some help for O'Hagan and the game would have a been a lot closer.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on June 27, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Based on this game Derry will have a real chance against Donegal who have given up a serious amount of chances against a poor Down side.

I wouldn't give Derry much chance to be honest to beat Donegal in Ballybofe

Donegal will be rightful favourites. However that score line today does not tell the full story of the match. Down created 4 good goal chances whilst both their finishing and shot selection at times left a lot to be desired. Donegal raised more questions than answers from a defensive viewpoint. Whether Derry have the quality to beat them Im not sure but I do expect it will be an awful lot more competitive than today and it looks like Murphy will be out for a few weeks.

He's still smarting from Derry beating Cavan

* Full disclosure, Derry had been training 8 days a week for months and months  ;D

I've a lot of time for Derry GAA, no issue with them at all. The post above said Donegal are vulnerable but I think that's wrong, it's over hyping Derry. We will see when game comes around won't we.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Orior on June 28, 2021, 06:47:40 PM
Prediction:

Armagh 1-18 Antrim 3-11
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 28, 2021, 07:24:26 PM
Prediction:

Armagh 1-18 Antrim 3-11

I bloody hope not. I really want Antrim to give Armagh a tough game but I think there is going to be a huge gulf in class. I anticipate Antrim to set up with a blanket defence and Armagh will work the ball patiently and build up a small lead in the first 15-20 minutes. After this Antrim will go man to man and Armagh will outscore them.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 28, 2021, 07:32:34 PM
Armagh 2-15 Antrim 1-10...
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 28, 2021, 09:20:10 PM
Would really love us to properly tank Antrim and run up a similar score to Donegal, Mayo and Kerry at the weekend and send a message. Itís definitely in us to do it but Iíd take any win at this stage!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 28, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Would really love us to properly tank Antrim and run up a similar score to Donegal, Mayo and Kerry at the weekend and send a message. Itís definitely in us to do it but Iíd take any win at this stage!

Let's keep our feet on the ground and focus on teams we have to play rather than who we might play  :o Don't think Kerry and Mayo will be worried about Armagh beating Antrim
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2021, 10:01:29 PM
Would really love us to properly tank Antrim and run up a similar score to Donegal, Mayo and Kerry at the weekend and send a message. Itís definitely in us to do it but Iíd take any win at this stage!

Armagh should rack up a bigger score than Donegalís over Down, far bigger gulf between Armagh and Antrim.

Our seasons goals have been well met
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 28, 2021, 10:23:46 PM
Would really love us to properly tank Antrim and run up a similar score to Donegal, Mayo and Kerry at the weekend and send a message. Itís definitely in us to do it but Iíd take any win at this stage!

Let's keep our feet on the ground and focus on teams we have to play rather than who we might play  :o Don't think Kerry and Mayo will be worried about Armagh beating Antrim
More of a message for Monaghan tbh. Ulster final is where I think we should be getting at a minimum and putting in a decent performance in one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 28, 2021, 10:43:21 PM
Would really love us to properly tank Antrim and run up a similar score to Donegal, Mayo and Kerry at the weekend and send a message. Itís definitely in us to do it but Iíd take any win at this stage!

Let's keep our feet on the ground and focus on teams we have to play rather than who we might play  :o Don't think Kerry and Mayo will be worried about Armagh beating Antrim
More of a message for Monaghan tbh. Ulster final is where I think we should be getting at a minimum and putting in a decent performance in one.

If we beat Antrim and do it with a bit to spare we woouldn't have learned anything for Monaghan. It is likely Fermanagh vs Monaghan will be dragging down to a dog fight. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2021, 10:22:18 PM
1,700 supporters to be at Sunday’s game in The Athletic Grounds. Better than 500 I suppose.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 02, 2021, 02:11:15 AM
1,700 supporters to be at Sundayís game in The Athletic Grounds. Better than 500 I suppose.

Any increase is welcome.  Is 1700 around 10% capacity?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2021, 02:21:20 PM


1,700 supporters to be at Sundayís game in The Athletic Grounds. Better than 500 I suppose.

Any increase is welcome.  Is 1700 around 10% capacity?

1850 for 10%.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 03, 2021, 04:09:21 PM
HT Monaghan 1-11 Fermanagh 0-7. Jack McCarron with the goal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 03, 2021, 04:22:28 PM
HT Monaghan 1-11 Fermanagh 0-7. Jack McCarron with the goal

Really doesn't look like any way Fermanagh will get the win here.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 03, 2021, 05:08:41 PM
McManus injury a worry for Monaghan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 03, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
A routine victory for Monaghan their next match should be a lot tougher. FT Monaghan 1-21 Fermanagh 0-14. Hopefully the Conor McManus injury late on is nothing serious.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 03, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
Routine win in the end but we looked like we were just going through the motions at some points. Gave Fermanagh a decent amount of chances, and a team with better scorers would have punished us. The period after the 2nd half water break really killed the game when we upped the gear and scored a few more points. Big improvement needed for the Armagh game.

Strong performances from Mulligan and Lavelle on their championship debuts, O'Connell and Boyle also impressive.

The win is marred a little by McManus's injury though, hopefully it's not as bad as it looks. Hughes didn't look as bad but hopefully it's not too bad either.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 03, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
Monaghan were lax at the back and a better team would have racked up  an amount of scores, but at no time were Monaghan out of cruise control.
There were a fair few of Monaghan lads hitting the deck hurt after contact, would that be the McMenamin influence?



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: FermGael on July 03, 2021, 09:20:33 PM
That was a hard watch today.
Fermanagh seemed to be a bit clueless.
We didn't push up on the Monaghan kickouts first half and still conceded 1-11 in the first half.
When we eventually did we actually got a bit of success from it..
We should have had one, if not two, penalties but ultimately it didn't matter.
Major plus this year is that we have blooded alot of young players and stayed in division 3( thanks to catching Cavan on the hop ).

I would wonder whether Ricey will be there next year or not.
Seems a very nice fella but ultimately Fermanagh have a shocking record under his tenure.
One win last year in the league against Roscommon and one win this year against Cavan .



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 03, 2021, 09:29:13 PM
Routine win in the end but we looked like we were just going through the motions at some points. Gave Fermanagh a decent amount of chances, and a team with better scorers would have punished us. The period after the 2nd half water break really killed the game when we upped the gear and scored a few more points. Big improvement needed for the Armagh game.

Strong performances from Mulligan and Lavelle on their championship debuts, O'Connell and Boyle also impressive.

The win is marred a little by McManus's injury though, hopefully it's not as bad as it looks. Hughes didn't look as bad but hopefully it's not too bad either.

Or Antrim Ö no complacency here!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: macker15 on July 03, 2021, 10:53:51 PM
How bad is McManus injury?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 04, 2021, 01:11:48 AM
How bad is McManus injury?
I'd have thought Armagh fans' attention would be focused on their game v Antrim.
 Should McManus return before or after the semi final game is of much less concern that it would have been a few years ago.
FWIW, eminent sports injury expert Oisin reckons he'll be back after 10 days.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 04, 2021, 05:09:51 AM
How bad is McManus injury?
I'd have thought Armagh fans' attention would be focused on their game v Antrim.
 Should McManus return before or after the semi final game is of much less concern that it would have been a few years ago.
FWIW, eminent sports injury expert Oisin reckons he'll be back after 10 days.

A bit touchy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: macker15 on July 04, 2021, 08:44:13 AM
How bad is McManus injury?
I'd have thought Armagh fans' attention would be focused on their game v Antrim.
 Should McManus return before or after the semi final game is of much less concern that it would have been a few years ago.
FWIW, eminent sports injury expert Oisin reckons he'll be back after 10 days.

I'm not from Armagh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 04, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Remains to be seen on Conor's injury, hopefully not as bad as it looked. I did think Marty Clarke was going a bit OTT declaring him out for the year before he even left the pitch, they won't know til they get a proper look at it now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: dec on July 04, 2021, 03:28:17 PM
Any radio commentary available online for the Armagh Antrim game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 04, 2021, 03:38:45 PM
Ultra high possession game from Antrim
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 04, 2021, 03:46:17 PM
Great, another referee who loves his whistle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 04, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Athletic Grounds is a great venue for football
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on July 04, 2021, 04:01:19 PM
Mighty having the atmosphere back at football!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 04, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
Not at all the game I was expecting to be honest, doesn't look like Division 1 vs Division 4 based on this year. I'd still expect the greater experience of playing a higher level to kick in, and Armagh to push on in the second half. But Antrim doing well so far, trying to play a bit of football which is encouraging to see, as opposed to some of the other big underdogs we've seen so far this summer.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on July 04, 2021, 04:22:10 PM
Any radio commentary available online for the Armagh Antrim game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/gaelic-games/57665255
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on July 04, 2021, 04:39:00 PM
Has the referee made an error there? Marty Clarke said contact was outside the area but it can only be a penalty if a black card is given or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 04, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 04, 2021, 04:51:08 PM
Armagh now 'turbo' charged.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 04, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Job done for Armagh. 13 point winners against a side that played in Div 4 is expected outcome. Makes for a very interesting game against Monaghan next
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 04, 2021, 05:09:42 PM

Harsh result for Antrim. Thereís a team there if they all stick together with McGinley. Shame for them there is no back door this year
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 04, 2021, 05:11:21 PM

Harsh result for Antrim. Thereís a team there if they all stick together with McGinley. Shame for them there is no back door this year

Was impressed with Antrim. How does Stevie O'Neill have the time to manage club and coach county?

Armagh v Monaghan will be hardy contest
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 04, 2021, 05:14:21 PM
Yeah the final scoreline is very harsh on Antrim I think, they were well in the game for a long time. That balls up for the penalty just took the wind out of them a bit, and Armagh pushed on as you'd expect a much higher ranked team to do.

Clearly some good work being done in Antrim by McGinley and O'Neill, fair play to them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on July 04, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: David McKeown on July 04, 2021, 06:31:01 PM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over

Was the mistake not the failure to give the black card. From where I was standing it looked like a deliberate trip from the Antrim keeper within the 20m line. I havenít seen any replays yet though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over

Was the mistake not the failure to give the black card. From where I was standing it looked like a deliberate trip from the Antrim keeper within the 20m line. I havenít seen any replays yet though.

Very Wenger like ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: David McKeown on July 04, 2021, 07:17:03 PM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over

Was the mistake not the failure to give the black card. From where I was standing it looked like a deliberate trip from the Antrim keeper within the 20m line. I havenít seen any replays yet though.

Very Wenger like ;D

In my defence the screens at the ground werenít showing replays or the match for that matter
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 05, 2021, 09:49:09 AM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over

If it wasn't a penalty, it was a goal anyway
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2021, 09:49:22 AM
The game went as expected. Antrim were going to be competitive for the first 40-45 minutes but didnít have the experience, fitness nor quality to push on. They are in year 1 of their project under the new management so they are realistic about it. The reality is that the jump from a team in division 4 to division 1 is huge. They played well and you could see a game plan. They caused problems in the first half and Blaine Hughes kept the score down with a crucial save and a few interceptions. With respect to them I genuinely believe that even if they did get one of those goals they still wouldnít have won but it would have made the second half interesting.

I thought the first half we were simply getting ourselves into the flow of the game. Over kicking passes, a wee bit sloppy on tackling and final decisions were a bit off. Once we settled though and they tired we were basically on cruise control. While the gap is not fair on Antrim in so far as their first half performance went I do believe that itís a true reflection of the difference between the teams. When they had changes to punish us they didnít. When we got changes we were ruthless.

Keeper obviously got the plaudits. Kick outs solid, good work with the ball in hand and a few excellent saves/interceptions. Defence were solid, didnít give away too many scoreable frees but I have to say I thought Hurson was favourable to us a few times with our tackles and was very quick to blow them for over carrying. They were possibly technically correct but we got away with a few and you could see that frustrated them.
Midfield was to be their platform but I think over the hour we nullified it quite well. Nothing spectacular but just lads went about their jobs in a very straight forward, mature way. Funnelled back as needed and linked the play to the forwards well. Settled and effective.

Forwards were kinda the same. Nothing massively spectacular but all out their shift in and got the scores as needed. I think thereís an awful lot more in them and that will be needed against Monaghan.

Which brings me to Monaghan. This is a step up as we all know. Physically and skill wise they are a step up but I firmly believe we have it in us to beat them. There is a real chance to push on and get to a provincial final here. To do so we need more out of our forwards. We need our defence to be very sharp in the tackling as Monaghan will punish all free kick chances and we need to be just as ruthless. The most important thing though is for management to ensure that the players donít get carried away about yesterday. It was a good win but it was the win of a Division 1 team over a division 3/4 team so we were always looking at a hiding to nothing as there was no expectation for an Antrim win.
Well done and roll on the semi
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2021, 09:51:12 AM
Absolutely atrocious mistake there to give away a penalty, have to imagine Armagh will push on now with that lead.

Pity, as Antrim were giving them their fill and keeping in touch until that penalty.
Wasn't even a pen. Big mistake from the ref being brushed over

If it wasn't a penalty, it was a goal anyway

Isnít there something new about cynical play that if the defender prevents a goal scoring opportunity then itís a penalty no matter what?  Maybe I misheard that but the same thing happened in the hurling on Saturday between limerick and cork I think it was.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 05, 2021, 10:08:21 AM
I think that is only hurling? (Isn't it?)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2021, 10:14:02 AM
I think that is only hurling? (Isn't it?)

I know itís absolutely in hurling. Wasnít sure if it was in football. If not the penalty was a wrong call but the ref should have played advantage anyway as Rian O Neill had stuck it in the net anyway. Keeper should have been black carded.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 05, 2021, 11:39:34 AM

Harsh result for Antrim. Thereís a team there if they all stick together with McGinley. Shame for them there is no back door this year
Agreed. Sticky enough side, shame their year is over. Should be a second tier championship for first round losers imo.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: HP on July 05, 2021, 11:49:35 AM
I think that is only hurling? (Isn't it?)

I know itís absolutely in hurling. Wasnít sure if it was in football. If not the penalty was a wrong call but the ref should have played advantage anyway as Rian O Neill had stuck it in the net anyway. Keeper should have been black carded.

It is also in football - Motion 20 at Annual Congress 2021 - so it was a penalty.

Motion 20: This motion proposes new penalties for aggressive and cynical fouls in hurling and football.

In hurling, if a player with a goal-scoring opportunity either inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc that extends from the 20 metre line is pulled down, tripped, or struck with a hurley in a careless manner then a penalty shall be awarded and the offender will be yellow-carded and sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes. If the foul committed is a second caution or one that merits a red-card then the offender is ordered off for the remainder of the game including any extra-time to be played.

Similarly, in football, if a cynical foul is committed on an attacking player with a goal-scoring opportunity inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc, then a penalty will be awarded to the team affected.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Orior on July 05, 2021, 02:11:31 PM
The papers scored Jemar Hall very well applauding his wrok rate. On television, he had one excellent kick pass, but every other time I saw him he either lost or gave away the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: 5times5times on July 05, 2021, 03:03:31 PM
Armagh were also missing 2 nailed on defensive starters in Kennedy & Forker. Good to see Stephen Sheridan on the bench too after his facial injury

Some good match-ups in store between Armaghs defence + Monaghan's attack

Forker, Kennedy, Morgan, McKay, Ohanlon, Morgan
vs
McManus, McCarron, McCarthy, McAnespie, S O'Hanlon

Monaghan's bench looked seriously strong on Sat too. Could be the diff!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on July 05, 2021, 04:43:18 PM
The game went as expected. Antrim were going to be competitive for the first 40-45 minutes but didnít have the experience, fitness nor quality to push on. They are in year 1 of their project under the new management so they are realistic about it. The reality is that the jump from a team in division 4 to division 1 is huge. They played well and you could see a game plan. They caused problems in the first half and Blaine Hughes kept the score down with a crucial save and a few interceptions. With respect to them I genuinely believe that even if they did get one of those goals they still wouldnít have won but it would have made the second half interesting.

I thought the first half we were simply getting ourselves into the flow of the game. Over kicking passes, a wee bit sloppy on tackling and final decisions were a bit off. Once we settled though and they tired we were basically on cruise control. While the gap is not fair on Antrim in so far as their first half performance went I do believe that itís a true reflection of the difference between the teams. When they had changes to punish us they didnít. When we got changes we were ruthless.

Keeper obviously got the plaudits. Kick outs solid, good work with the ball in hand and a few excellent saves/interceptions. Defence were solid, didnít give away too many scoreable frees but I have to say I thought Hurson was favourable to us a few times with our tackles and was very quick to blow them for over carrying. They were possibly technically correct but we got away with a few and you could see that frustrated them.
Midfield was to be their platform but I think over the hour we nullified it quite well. Nothing spectacular but just lads went about their jobs in a very straight forward, mature way. Funnelled back as needed and linked the play to the forwards well. Settled and effective.

Forwards were kinda the same. Nothing massively spectacular but all out their shift in and got the scores as needed. I think thereís an awful lot more in them and that will be needed against Monaghan.

Which brings me to Monaghan. This is a step up as we all know. Physically and skill wise they are a step up but I firmly believe we have it in us to beat them. There is a real chance to push on and get to a provincial final here. To do so we need more out of our forwards. We need our defence to be very sharp in the tackling as Monaghan will punish all free kick chances and we need to be just as ruthless. The most important thing though is for management to ensure that the players donít get carried away about yesterday. It was a good win but it was the win of a Division 1 team over a division 3/4 team so we were always looking at a hiding to nothing as there was no expectation for an Antrim win.
Well done and roll on the semi

That's as good a summary as you'll get anywhere and I'd agree with the majority.

The one niggle I'd have is how Armagh performed in the first half, or allowed Antrim to perform. I'd Armagh as a threat to Donegal this year, but not sure now that they're anywhere near that level at Championship. Maybe it's as you say, it took a while to oil the chains - plenty of sides have gone on to do big things after a wobbly opening.

Armagh won because of costly errors by Antrim at key times and general conditioning as the game wore on. I didn't see passages of play that made me think they're the contenders I thought they were. If Monaghan get the match ups right with the two O'Neills, Armagh could be in bother. McManus' fitness will be a big call.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 05, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
Aidan O'Rourke  (http://"https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0705/1233077-farney-bright-sparks-in-championship-yet-to-catch-fire/") is impressed by the Banty's (Napoleonic) return from exile, or more so with Donie Buckley's visible impact on Monaghan's game.

For Monaghan I think McManus' availability is not that vital. Darrren Hughes'  injury would be more of a concern as his role is essential to the spine of the team.
There are plenty of options up front, defense is the vulnerability,  the O'Rourke wall had crumbled, has had to be rebuilt and some questions remain.
Kieran Hughes could be an option, and the welcome return of full back Colin Walshe (sub), though he looked totally at home in the forward line when scoring points with both feet.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 05, 2021, 06:30:10 PM
Yeah while McManus is always going to be a big loss if he's not in the team - even if only for the attention he'll take up from the opposing defence - I wouldn't be thinking that his absence would mean a loss is inevitable. Some good options up front now, Mulligan was particularly eye catching on his debut, and himself and Bannigan scored 0-5 between them. Then you have the other usual lads, and the lads from defence who can break forward for a score. Remains to be seen how Conor is, but I feel like some people are blowing the injury out of proportion. Marty Clarke had him out for the year before he even left the pitch.

Kearns and Lavelle could still be a pretty decent midfield I think, but yeah you'd definitely miss the workrate and experience of Darren if he was to miss out. Especially when teams in general seem to be coughing up more scores this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 05, 2021, 11:35:19 PM
Any word on the venue for Armagh v Monaghan on July 17th?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armamike on July 06, 2021, 03:04:53 PM
The papers scored Jemar Hall very well applauding his wrok rate. On television, he had one excellent kick pass, but every other time I saw him he either lost or gave away the ball.

Was at the game and I thought he was very good. Got on the ball a lot and ran tirelessly at Antrim. Set up the goal for Conor Turbitt. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 06, 2021, 03:14:27 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 06, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 06, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.
Would Antrim players not rather be in a competition now that they have a realistic chance of winning or at least progressing well in? Theyíve a decent team and did rightly on Sunday but they are miles off the standard of Armagh, never mind Tyrone and Donegal and obviously the Dubs.

They donít deserve their summer to be over.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 06, 2021, 04:02:33 PM
The problem is the balls that was made of the tommy murphy cup and that was the reference point for lower tier football competitions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: HiMucker on July 06, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 06, 2021, 06:54:18 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: skeog on July 07, 2021, 10:23:15 AM
Enda is a future Tyrone manager imo.Very well tuned in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 07, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
He's done a good job with Antrim so far and I hope we get another few years out of him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on July 07, 2021, 11:24:54 AM
He's done a good job with Antrim so far and I hope we get another few years out of him.
Yes,  seems like a decent straight forward operator
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:39:40 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 07, 2021, 12:51:19 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

Last year's Ulster and Munster Champions are now in Division 4
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:54:54 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

Last year's Ulster and Munster Champions are now in Division 4

And what? How'd Cavan fair after the USFC? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2021, 12:57:53 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.

3,000 is better than a few hundred watching a Tommy Murphy mark 2 cup game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.

3,000 is better than a few hundred watching a Tommy Murphy mark 2 cup game.

Ok well sure we'll let the intercounty game die so Antrim can get tanked in the first round every year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 07, 2021, 02:29:47 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.

3,000 is better than a few hundred watching a Tommy Murphy mark 2 cup game.
Would it not be better for Antrim to get their cut at Tyrone/Armagh whoever in the championship  then if they are beat in first round they go into another competition they have a realistic chance in?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 02:53:22 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.

3,000 is better than a few hundred watching a Tommy Murphy mark 2 cup game.
Would it not be better for Antrim to get their cut at Tyrone/Armagh whoever in the championship  then if they are beat in first round they go into another competition they have a realistic chance in?

No because then any other competition is a B / losers cup / Tommy Murphy Cup on Steroids competition and they clearly don't want that.
Put them into Junior and Intermediate comps. If they win and go up the leagues into the Senior comp. Works at every other level in GAA across Football and Hurling yet we are advocating that Intercounty football should be different from everything else. It's simply ludicrous.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2021, 03:04:42 PM
McGinley calls the Tailteann cup proposal a joke proposal. He would know one given he manages Antrim. A losers cup he calls it. Someone should tell him that is exactly what Antrim are.

Not an Enda McGinley fan then? :)
Apparently McGinley battered him in a bar in Donegal when he was on holidays

I heard there was no battering, it was the fact that McGinley took him to Donegal

I like Enda. But this nonsense these Div 3 and 4 teams come out with needs checked. They're aren't good enough. They are only fit to play in either an Intermediate or Junior competition. No one learns from these batterings. Antrim have trained all year and for what? To get humped by Armagh? Everyone knew the result before the game was played. Then ppl wonder why attendances are down and players opt out... Everyone needs to get real and calling this nonsense out from McGinley is a good first step.

I don't see a great interest for players to opt into a competition that looks like another Tommy Murphy cup. The NFL and then testing themselves against top 10 teams in the championship is what gets players from Div 3,4 to opt in.

If the GAA don't do something the only ppl at these games will be the Players and management. Nobody cares about Antrim getting tanked by Armagh.
I was at the Antrim V Tyrone game in Athletic grounds a few years ago and about 3000 turned up.

3,000 is better than a few hundred watching a Tommy Murphy mark 2 cup game.
Would it not be better for Antrim to get their cut at Tyrone/Armagh whoever in the championship  then if they are beat in first round they go into another competition they have a realistic chance in?
..

The one competition Antrim had the chance of winning this year (Div 4 title) was taken away from them because of poor scheduling. The B Ireland looks doomed for failure before it begins and hard to disagree with the main point that Enda McGinley made about it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 07, 2021, 03:29:27 PM
In football at least the GAA have always made a balls of the lower tier competitions. Also they seem to have very little respect for them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2021, 04:46:26 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/conor-sweeney-all-for-tailteann-cup/
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 07, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
Not too sure what the incentives are for participating but perhaps the finalists can be awarded a place in the AI top tier competition the following year?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 07, 2021, 09:56:05 PM
You can talk about 2nd tier competitions until youíre blue in the face but until there is one that the players buy into itís a dead duck.
It is talked about in a ďwouldnít it be great to give them another gameĒ manner as if these players donít go on to a field for another year. Reality is that they return to their clubs to play in games and competitions that they actually care about. Some even go to America and play football for the summer. For as long as they value these options higher than the 2nd tier competition, theyíll continue to do it.
County football is a huge commitment and these players make big sacrifices to play. For the time being, they are happy to make those sacrifices to play in the main event but the same appetite isnít there for a crappy competition that nobody hears about or cares about, regardless of whether you believe thatís what they deserve or not.
I donít know how the GAA go about getting buy in but whatever theyíve tried so far has failed.
Surely, surely the potential is there and a competition that a county has a reasonable chance of winning would appeal to players? As others have said, junior and intermediate championships arenít valued any less in other codes or at club level!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on July 08, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 08, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)

Good man! We're living in crazy times, anything could happen!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on July 08, 2021, 02:00:44 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)

Good man! We're living in crazy times, anything could happen!

The closer Derry get to championship matches the more I convince myself we are going to win.
I might learn one of these days, but sure if we didn't hope then there'd be no point.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 08, 2021, 02:24:05 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)

No win over Tyrone since 1983 should be another reason. Its the one draw that Cavan probably didn't want to start off the championship regardless of form.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 08, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)

Supposedly Murphy and MacNiallais are both fit, but Bonner always says men will be available, so we'll see on Sunday.

No idea what to expect to be honest. Regardless of whether they're fit, we know what Donegal will bring. Good kickout, strong around the middle, good running game and plenty of accurate shooters. At the other end, very vulnerable to speed and runners, with plenty of goal chances given up.

Derry - I've no clue about where they're at when it comes to stronger teams.

I do remember Conor Glass single-handedly beating underage teams of ours though!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 08, 2021, 03:29:08 PM
Think we've only lost one championship game to Derry since 1998 (2008 in Ballybofey).

Who would have thought that when they were lording it over us 93-98?

From what I remember, wins for Donegal in 2002, 2006, 2009 (qualifiers?), 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2018.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 08, 2021, 03:34:24 PM
Tyrone will hammer Cavan.  There will be points to prove after the Kerry game. 

There's an aul bully in Tyrone.  They usually annihilate weaker opposition, never content with a 10 point win.  Doesn't matter how bad they are going, they rarely get caught in a dogfight with weaker opposition. 

Long term though, I don't think it will matter.  That Kerry game will have sowed serious seeds of doubt in players' minds and it might just be the case that Harte's system papered over the cracks of a weaker bunch of players. You couldn't envy what Logan and Dooher are attempting to achieve with this team. 

When Micko left Kerry in 1989 after 14 years, they didn't win another all-Ireland till '97.  And they only had one team to beat to make an AI Semi. 
Sean Boylan left Meath after 23 years and they have been in the doldrums ever since, apart from an AI Semi in 2009 I think.  They are consistently underachieving.

They'll beat Cavan handy, but if Logan and Dooher manage to steer Tyrone to a win in Ulster and make a decent tilt at the all-Ireland, they will be really exceeding expectations, particularly with no midfield.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 08, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Tyrone will hammer Cavan.  There will be points to prove after the Kerry game. 

There's an aul bully in Tyrone.  They usually annihilate weaker opposition, never content with a 10 point win.  Doesn't matter how bad they are going, they rarely get caught in a dogfight with weaker opposition. 

Long term though, I don't think it will matter.  That Kerry game will have sowed serious seeds of doubt in players' minds and it might just be the case that Harte's system papered over the cracks of a weaker bunch of players. You couldn't envy what Logan and Dooher are attempting to achieve with this team. 

When Micko left Kerry in 1989 after 14 years, they didn't win another all-Ireland till '97.  And they only had one team to beat to make an AI Semi. 
Sean Boylan left Meath after 23 years and they have been in the doldrums ever since, apart from an AI Semi in 2009 I think.  They are consistently underachieving.

They'll beat Cavan handy, but if Logan and Dooher manage to steer Tyrone to a win in Ulster and make a decent tilt at the all-Ireland, they will be really exceeding expectations, particularly with no midfield.
Iíd expect Tyrone to hammer Cavan as well but I definitely wouldnít put any money at all on Cavan getting beat. We saw last year what theyíre capable of and theyíll be determined their summer wonít end with relegation to D4 and getting tanked in Ulster, theyíll have as big a point to prove as Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 08, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
Tyrone will hammer Cavan.  There will be points to prove after the Kerry game. 

There's an aul bully in Tyrone.  They usually annihilate weaker opposition, never content with a 10 point win.  Doesn't matter how bad they are going, they rarely get caught in a dogfight with weaker opposition. 

Long term though, I don't think it will matter.  That Kerry game will have sowed serious seeds of doubt in players' minds and it might just be the case that Harte's system papered over the cracks of a weaker bunch of players. You couldn't envy what Logan and Dooher are attempting to achieve with this team. 

When Micko left Kerry in 1989 after 14 years, they didn't win another all-Ireland till '97.  And they only had one team to beat to make an AI Semi. 
Sean Boylan left Meath after 23 years and they have been in the doldrums ever since, apart from an AI Semi in 2009 I think.  They are consistently underachieving.

They'll beat Cavan handy, but if Logan and Dooher manage to steer Tyrone to a win in Ulster and make a decent tilt at the all-Ireland, they will be really exceeding expectations, particularly with no midfield.
Iíd expect Tyrone to hammer Cavan as well but I definitely wouldnít put any money at all on Cavan getting beat. We saw last year what theyíre capable of and theyíll be determined their summer wonít end with relegation to D4 and getting tanked in Ulster, theyíll have as big a point to prove as Tyrone.

Would love it if Cavan proved me wrong, it was pure joy watching that win last year. But they got beaten by Wicklow last time they played.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on July 08, 2021, 03:51:44 PM
Cavan will be well beat got lucky last year with injuries, its a different story this year and the panel isn't good enough to compensate.

As the poster above said got beat by Wicklow a few weeks ago, that should tell you enough about the situation.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 08, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
I thought this was an Ulster Championship thread ;)

Predictions for the weekend?

For me:
Tyrone vs Cavan - tyrone by 4. Cavan might have a championship game in them and Tyrone are not as good as people think AND they are transitioning their style of play. The only thing putting me off a shock win is how poor Cavan have been this year to date.

Donegal v Derry - depends on if Murphy is fit. If fit, Donegal with home advantage to win by 5/6.
Its a huge step up for Derry in terms of quality of teams they have played this year but Derry have improved massively from last year. We gave Armagh a good game last year so I think this will be closer than many think. On paper Donegal should win...but Derry being a bit of an unknown quantity at this level means it's not just as clear cut. If Murphy is not fit and Rogers is fit, Derry by a point :)

Good man! We're living in crazy times, anything could happen!

The closer Derry get to championship matches the more I convince myself we are going to win.
I might learn one of these days, but sure if we didn't hope then there'd be no point.

Exact same, you square things off in your head that only a mad man would square off to create and justify hope.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 08, 2021, 04:12:38 PM
Tyrone will hammer Cavan.  There will be points to prove after the Kerry game. 

There's an aul bully in Tyrone.  They usually annihilate weaker opposition, never content with a 10 point win.  Doesn't matter how bad they are going, they rarely get caught in a dogfight with weaker opposition. 

Long term though, I don't think it will matter.  That Kerry game will have sowed serious seeds of doubt in players' minds and it might just be the case that Harte's system papered over the cracks of a weaker bunch of players. You couldn't envy what Logan and Dooher are attempting to achieve with this team. 

When Micko left Kerry in 1989 after 14 years, they didn't win another all-Ireland till '97.  And they only had one team to beat to make an AI Semi. 
Sean Boylan left Meath after 23 years and they have been in the doldrums ever since, apart from an AI Semi in 2009 I think.  They are consistently underachieving.

They'll beat Cavan handy, but if Logan and Dooher manage to steer Tyrone to a win in Ulster and make a decent tilt at the all-Ireland, they will be really exceeding expectations, particularly with no midfield.
Iíd expect Tyrone to hammer Cavan as well but I definitely wouldnít put any money at all on Cavan getting beat. We saw last year what theyíre capable of and theyíll be determined their summer wonít end with relegation to D4 and getting tanked in Ulster, theyíll have as big a point to prove as Tyrone.

Would love it if Cavan proved me wrong, it was pure joy watching that win last year. But they got beaten by Wicklow last time they played.
Me too. But dire and all as they were in the league they are a different animal come championship. Armagh made wee boys of them in the league last year and they bounced back to win Ulster. Will really take a miracle though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 08, 2021, 04:13:08 PM
Cavan will be well beat got lucky last year with injuries, its a different story this year and the panel isn't good enough to compensate.

As the poster above said got beat by Wicklow a few weeks ago, that should tell you enough about the situation.
Ah donít be at that owl cute hoorism now ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: lenny on July 08, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
Tyrone will hammer Cavan.  There will be points to prove after the Kerry game. 

There's an aul bully in Tyrone.  They usually annihilate weaker opposition, never content with a 10 point win.  Doesn't matter how bad they are going, they rarely get caught in a dogfight with weaker opposition. 

Long term though, I don't think it will matter.  That Kerry game will have sowed serious seeds of doubt in players' minds and it might just be the case that Harte's system papered over the cracks of a weaker bunch of players. You couldn't envy what Logan and Dooher are attempting to achieve with this team. 

When Micko left Kerry in 1989 after 14 years, they didn't win another all-Ireland till '97.  And they only had one team to beat to make an AI Semi. 
Sean Boylan left Meath after 23 years and they have been in the doldrums ever since, apart from an AI Semi in 2009 I think.  They are consistently underachieving.

They'll beat Cavan handy, but if Logan and Dooher manage to steer Tyrone to a win in Ulster and make a decent tilt at the all-Ireland, they will be really exceeding expectations, particularly with no midfield.

Tyrone by 15. Donegal by 7. Then Donegal to beat Tyrone by 4.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 08, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pip them. Tyrone are in transition and not in the way that some teams are always in transition, a big transition from a huge presence in Harte to a new team and supposed new style of play. A lot of lads back fit for Cavan that missed league. I just have a sneaky suspicion there is a big game in Cavan. Could have major egg on face Sunday but sure thats my prediction anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 08, 2021, 09:56:05 PM
Even money for Cavan +6 on Boylesports might not be a bad wager.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 08, 2021, 10:03:38 PM
And Cavan for me too.
Having that many Ulster titles is always worth a few points on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on July 08, 2021, 10:37:28 PM
And Cavan for me too.
Having that many Ulster titles is always worth a few points on the scoreboard.

How does that count for anything?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 08, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pip them. Tyrone are in transition and not in the way that some teams are always in transition, a big transition from a huge presence in Harte to a new team and supposed new style of play. A lot of lads back fit for Cavan that missed league. I just have a sneaky suspicion there is a big game in Cavan. Could have major egg on face Sunday but sure thats my prediction anyway.
Gonna do the same. Cavan by 2.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: gaafan2 on July 08, 2021, 11:00:49 PM
Yous lot are delusional thinking Cavan can win this game. Tyrone will win easily but will not beat Donegal. As a previous poster stated, Tyrone always beat the underdog.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: screenexile on July 09, 2021, 12:00:00 AM
No Conor McKenna? Is he injured?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on July 09, 2021, 01:44:28 PM
Cavan will be well beat got lucky last year with injuries, its a different story this year and the panel isn't good enough to compensate.

As the poster above said got beat by Wicklow a few weeks ago, that should tell you enough about the situation.
Ah donít be at that owl cute hoorism now ;)

It's not though we have lost to Wicklow, unless that was part of the plan !

You will see tomorrow evening anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 09, 2021, 09:30:38 PM
 U20 quarter final results from tonight.

Donegal 1-12 Tyrone 1-9
Cavan 0-9 Down 2-17
Fermanagh 2-13 Antrim 0-10
Derry 0-11 Monaghan 2-9

Semi final line up

Fermanagh v Down
Monaghan v Donegal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 09, 2021, 10:11:14 PM
Is it not a bit of a joke that the likes of down and Fermanagh, whose seniors were knocked out can then send their senior panel u20s back to their u20 teams where the counties still in the senior championship obviously cannot. Before someone accuses me of sour grapes,  I didn't even see any part of our u20 game tonight bar the starting teams on twitter.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 09, 2021, 10:17:04 PM
Cavan had Caoimhin McGovern and Sean McEvoy playing, who were involved with the Seniors. Cian Reilly and Oisin Brady weren't involved, probaly feature with the Seniors tomorrow.

That was a bad hammering for Cavan.  Down tipped to go far and have a strong management team, but Cavan shouldn't be losing at home by 14 pts.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 09, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Cavan had Caoimhin McGovern and Sean McEvoy playing, who were involved with the Seniors. Cian Reilly and Oisin Brady weren't involved, probaly feature with the Seniors tomorrow.

That was a bad hammering for Cavan.  Down tipped to go far and have a strong management team, but Cavan shouldn't be losing at home by 14 pts.

Point is still valid, if your senior team were knocked out you had an advantage. I'm not suggesting it's a 14 pt advantage BTW. Pathetic result yet again for our u20s, a long way we are from 4 in a row now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 09, 2021, 10:46:36 PM
It's just the way it was, with Covid delaying the return of games. There was no point delaying the U20 championship until October.
This game would usually have been played in Feb or March

Cavan have been really poor underage for a few years now. They took the eye off the ball and that wont be a good sign for future years at Senior level..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: greatpoint on July 09, 2021, 11:04:57 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pip them. Tyrone are in transition and not in the way that some teams are always in transition, a big transition from a huge presence in Harte to a new team and supposed new style of play. A lot of lads back fit for Cavan that missed league. I just have a sneaky suspicion there is a big game in Cavan. Could have major egg on face Sunday but sure thats my prediction anyway.

Wouldn't you actually have to commit to a prediction to stick your neck out? Saying that Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pick them is just hedging your bets. Which one is it?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 10, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pip them. Tyrone are in transition and not in the way that some teams are always in transition, a big transition from a huge presence in Harte to a new team and supposed new style of play. A lot of lads back fit for Cavan that missed league. I just have a sneaky suspicion there is a big game in Cavan. Could have major egg on face Sunday but sure thats my prediction anyway.

Wouldn't you actually have to commit to a prediction to stick your neck out? Saying that Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pick them is just hedging your bets. Which one is it?

If you say so. Do you need me to provide the exact score for my preduction to be acceptable?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2021, 02:11:36 PM
Are Monaghan missing a few of their U20s, would expect them to be favourites for the Ulster title seeing as they won minor in 2018,19.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: greatpoint on July 10, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pip them. Tyrone are in transition and not in the way that some teams are always in transition, a big transition from a huge presence in Harte to a new team and supposed new style of play. A lot of lads back fit for Cavan that missed league. I just have a sneaky suspicion there is a big game in Cavan. Could have major egg on face Sunday but sure thats my prediction anyway.

Wouldn't you actually have to commit to a prediction to stick your neck out? Saying that Cavan will push Tyrone very close and might even pick them is just hedging your bets. Which one is it?

If you say so. Do you need me to provide the exact score for my preduction to be acceptable?

No but it to stick your neck out surely the minimum is that you make a call one way or the other ?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Westside on July 10, 2021, 02:25:37 PM
Will a VPN work with GAAGO?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 10, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
Are Monaghan missing a few of their U20s, would expect them to be favourites for the Ulster title seeing as they won minor in 2018,19.

Yeah we were missing Aaron Mulligan (who's on the senior team), along with Sean Jones and Karl Gallagher (both injured). So it was a good win considering those would be 3 of the best forwards from that group, along with Irwin who got the 2 goals last night.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2021, 04:50:39 PM
With Cavan now a div4 team and Tyrone a div 1 team, this should be handy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 04:52:10 PM
Decent game so far
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2021, 04:54:36 PM
With Cavan now a div4 team and Tyrone a div 1 team, this should be handy

Safe to say when Cavan bring this type of intensity to match they are more like a Division 1 team than division 4.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Hound on July 10, 2021, 04:57:05 PM
Umpire cost Cavan a clear goal chance on 15 mins. Played it back and looked pretty clear that Reilly kept the ball in. Feet were on the end line. So ball was not over it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on July 10, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
Cavan the better side so far, McCurry the best player on show.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2021, 05:02:50 PM
McCurry causing serious damage. Marker needs to be changed.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 10, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Tyrone 0-11 Cavan 0-7. Was even contest for the first 25 minutes. Since then a combination of Tyrone stepping it up and Cavan fading.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 10, 2021, 05:16:02 PM
Following on twitter. Did Cavan get docked a point there for being mean huers or what?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 10, 2021, 05:16:50 PM
Tyrone 0-11 Cavan 0-7. Was even contest for the first 25 minutes. Since then a combination of Tyrone stepping it up and Cavan fading.
Hardly insurmountable, theres goals in that Tyrone defence.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 10, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
Cavan were putting up a great game for the most part but Tyrone just moved ahead before the break there. A combination of Tyrone's attack getting a bit more ball in, and Cavan spurning a few great chances, they should be closer in all honesty if they were more clinical in front of goal.

I'm not sure if Cavan have the attack to punish it, but you could definitely see how that Tyrone defence will give up goal chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Hound on July 10, 2021, 05:29:21 PM
Kilpatrickís a right fielder. Havenít noticed him before.

Awful decision by the Cavan lad to punch the ball just before HT, when if heíd just gathered it, it was likely easy enough to round Morgan who was charging out
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 10, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
McCurry hard to stop, thon Kennedy for Tyrone is a big unit.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
Cavan look dead on their feet, could be a badly beating if Tyrone continues to push on here.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 10, 2021, 05:54:43 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Hound on July 10, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Silly from McNamee. Needless.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 06:02:39 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 10, 2021, 06:09:13 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Don't talk shite.  After Darren Hughes getting sent off for ruffling McCann's hair you would think you would know that you can push a man in the face
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 10, 2021, 06:10:22 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Might not have actually hurt the player, but that doesn't change the fact that it was brainless. If you put your hand on an opponent's face, you're taking a needless risk. It was stupid of McNamee whatever way you want to look at it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: greatpoint on July 10, 2021, 06:11:01 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

You canít raise your hands to someoneís face, come on now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 06:13:01 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Might not have actually hurt the player, but that doesn't change the fact that it was brainless. If you put your hand on an opponent's face, you're taking a needless risk. It was stupid of McNamee whatever way you want to look at it.

Yeah completely stupid and needless but not a red
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 06:16:35 PM
Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Don't talk shite.  After Darren Hughes getting sent off for ruffling McCann's hair you would think you would know that you can push a man in the face

Not talking shit. Simply stating its not a red. Darren Hughes wasn't a red either. I am not some dumb fan like yourself who is afraid to call out a player on their team. McCann dived and should have been banned but a push isn't a red regardless of where it is. See how many of them are given this year. Stupid, needless and uncalled for but it's not a strike or dangerous play.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 10, 2021, 06:17:07 PM
FT Tyrone 1-18 Cavan 0-13. Routine win for Tyrone in the end, only black mark the silly sending off. Bad year for Cavan they'll have to reset and go again in 2022.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 10, 2021, 06:22:06 PM
Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 10, 2021, 06:24:32 PM
Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.

Yep. If some slabber who can't take his beatin is in your face just point at the scoreboard and laugh like Brian McGuigan did when getting dogs abuse.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 06:25:45 PM
Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.

Cut off in my opinion is a fist. In you push a player a few inches lower in the chest it's at best a yellow card if even that. Mckerarn got a challenge to the face beside the side line during play in the first half and a free wasn't even given so how is push during a stop in play a red. Like I said we will see how many pushes in the face are reds this year cause it happens in most games. Anyway tyrone won't get past Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 06:28:34 PM
Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.

Yep. If some slabber who can't take his beatin is in your face just point at the scoreboard and laugh like Brian McGuigan did when getting dogs abuse.

That's the best approach. McNamee has got a bad side to his game. Always best just to laugh it off, it would annoy the opposition more rather than get involved in a shoving match
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 10, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Defending Ulster champions out of the championship after one game this year. As I said before the match the one team Cavan didn't want in their first game was Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 10, 2021, 06:33:56 PM
McNamee behaviour inexcusable. Definitely a red. That nonsense needs to be stopped by management as it has been a part of Tyrone play for quite a while. McKernan and McNamee the current biggest culprits.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 10, 2021, 07:19:37 PM
McNamee behaviour inexcusable. Definitely a red. That nonsense needs to be stopped by management as it has been a part of Tyrone play for quite a while. McKernan and McNamee the current biggest culprits.
You can question a player of McNamee experience getting involve surely, but that's a nothing incident, never a red in a milion years.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:24:38 PM
Probably a red but can see why Tyrone fans annoyed at it. Regardless, McNamee should have known better
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bennydorano on July 10, 2021, 07:34:02 PM
No Conor McKenna? Is he injured?
Wondering myself. Missed the game, was it mentioned?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 10, 2021, 07:39:35 PM
McNamee behaviour inexcusable. Definitely a red. That nonsense needs to be stopped by management as it has been a part of Tyrone play for quite a while. McKernan and McNamee the current biggest culprits.
You can question a player of McNamee experience getting involve surely, but that's a nothing incident, never a red in a milion years.

Did it need to be a box in the face to be a red? He pushed his hands into Bradys face twice. Stupid and right beside the ref, though it was the lineman who spotted it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 10, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
If that's the marker for what is a red card we are going to have some amount of sendings off come the business end of the championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 10, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
A good thing Tyrone let everyone know so..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 10, 2021, 08:24:35 PM
If that's the marker for what is a red card we are going to have some amount of sendings off come the business end of the championship.

Rubbish... Just NEVER put your hands near an opponent's face. Its that simple
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on July 10, 2021, 08:43:33 PM
If that's the marker for what is a red card we are going to have some amount of sendings off come the business end of the championship.

Rubbish... Just NEVER put your hands near an opponent's face. Its that simple

The rules must have changed since last year.

 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 10, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
If that's the marker for what is a red card we are going to have some amount of sendings off come the business end of the championship.

Rubbish... Just NEVER put your hands near an opponent's face. Its that simple

The rules must have changed since last year.

 


My advice is to never put your hand near an opponents face and you'll never get a red card for touching another man's face. Could not be more simple.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 10, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
As Keano says, don't give the ref a decision to make
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2021, 10:48:26 PM
Tyrone v Donegal/Derry in Enniskillen

Armagh v Monaghan in Newry.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 10, 2021, 10:54:49 PM
Tyrone v Donegal/Armagh in Enniskillen

Armagh v Monaghan in Newry.

What if itís an Armagh vs Armagh final?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2021, 10:56:51 PM
Tyrone v Donegal/Armagh in Enniskillen

Armagh v Monaghan in Newry.

What if itís an Armagh vs Armagh final?

Draw
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 10, 2021, 10:58:45 PM
Cavan are shite. An embarrassment to the county. Completely f**king shite.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 10, 2021, 11:08:43 PM
Cavan are shite. An embarrassment to the county. Completely f**king shite.

Bit like yourself so
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Onthe40 on July 11, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
Abit OTT trailer but I agree in that they were shockingly poor for a county team and current ulster champions.. some of their forward play, shot selection and attack breakdown was something youíd see at a weaker grade of underage football
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on July 11, 2021, 10:44:19 AM
Tyrone v Donegal/Armagh in Enniskillen

Armagh v Monaghan in Newry.

What if itís an Armagh vs Armagh final?

Both lose
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2021, 11:15:56 AM
Cavan are shite. An embarrassment to the county. Completely f**king shite.

Div 4 team playing a div 1 team. Whatís shocking is that your shocked
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 11, 2021, 12:03:41 PM
Tyrone v Donegal/Armagh in Enniskillen

Armagh v Monaghan in Newry.

What if itís an Armagh vs Armagh final?

Both lose

Who will represent Ulster in the All Ireland series then?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 11, 2021, 01:26:56 PM
Last year's champions could step in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Eire90 on July 11, 2021, 01:46:02 PM
McGuinness arguing to keep provincials i dont think anyone is talking about scrapping them most would rather see them separate from the all ireland play them earlier in the year if provincials are as good as they say then they can stand on their own.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 11, 2021, 02:09:43 PM
McGuinness arguing to keep provincials i dont think anyone is talking about scrapping them most would rather see them separate from the all ireland play them earlier in the year if provincials are as good as they say then they can stand on their own.

That proposal where if you finish 6-8 in division one you donít get to play championship is ridiculous
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
Murphy not starting for Donegal. Peader Mogan or Brendan McCole not starting either.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 03:30:37 PM

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 04:09:58 PM
Mental start to this game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: screenexile on July 11, 2021, 04:11:13 PM
That was a penalty for Derry 100%

Excellent editing by the BBC missing everything as usual!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2021, 04:14:21 PM
That was a penalty for Derry 100%

Excellent editing by the BBC missing everything as usual!
I seen a tug on jersey and Ďtapí on head
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 04:16:30 PM
Donegal looking very lifeless so far
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 04:19:03 PM
Is there a more mouthy team than Donegal. Unreal shouting at the Derry kick outs.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 04:20:57 PM
Derry looking good so far, should be further ahead
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Sportacus on July 11, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
Derry looking good so far, should be further ahead
Puke football. Gallagher coaching always deserves a 2 point defeat.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2021, 04:24:00 PM
Donegal look lost without Murphy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 04:24:10 PM
Getting flashbacks of last yearís Ulster final.

Only one team wants it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: highorlow on July 11, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
The Donegal tactic on all 14 out field players running back to defend every time isnít working and is kinda funny.

Looks like they changed tactics after the water break
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 11, 2021, 04:25:17 PM
Its worrying for Donegal when Neil is their best option at fullback.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 04:25:53 PM
Donegal look lost without Murphy.

Yep, all waiting for someone else to take control of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 04:35:53 PM
Donegal look lost without Murphy.

Yep, all waiting for someone else to take control of it.

Donegal are very lucky Derry haven't taken their goal chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 04:37:48 PM
Shouldnt that have been a black card. Clear pull down.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 11, 2021, 04:42:10 PM
Its tight, competitive what we are looking for, but it's pure scutter too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 11, 2021, 04:44:06 PM
Shouldnt that have been a black card. Clear pull down.
My thoughts exactly.  Commentators on RTE are brutal. Mcstay forgot that a mark has to be taken by the player that calls it earlier.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
Donegal have to be happy to be only a point down.

Theyíre starting to get a foothold, but have to keep it up. Derry were getting a lot of joy up the wings, especially coming in that left side. Derry doing very well blocking off those cross-cross runs towards the middle of the 45 which Donegal has been using to great effect. At least any complacency has been blown away now.

Murphy may have to be called upon.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 11, 2021, 04:47:12 PM
Derry 0-7 Donegal 0-6. Derry should be further ahead as they should have got a penalty IMO.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 11, 2021, 04:49:20 PM
Derry 0-7 Donegal 0-6. Derry should be further ahead as they should have got a penalty IMO.

I agree with the latter, are Donegal missing anyone other than Michael Murphy.
McFadden at Midfield not impressive, just seems like a spoiler.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Estimator on July 11, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
Waiting for McConville, McHugh and Harte to start windmilling on the BBC coverage. Plenty of disagreement and McHugh not happy about some Donegal lads not being county standard.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 04:55:32 PM
Shouldnt that have been a black card. Clear pull down.
My thoughts exactly.  Commentators on RTE are brutal. Mcstay forgot that a mark has to be taken by the player that calls it earlier.

Watching it on BBC and they never even mentioned the possibility of a black card which I thought was strange given that it was a text book challenge for the black card being introduced
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 04:59:26 PM
There'll be boxing on BBC by the end of this game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
How the hell did he not score that
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2021, 05:05:08 PM
Did that go fully over the line?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 11, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
Real let off for Donegal. Should be 1-8 to 0-7 instead Donegal level it up 8 each.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 05:13:10 PM
How many Derry lads want a cut at Murphy? ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 05:14:07 PM
Derry responded very well to missing that sitter,  proper game on here
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 11, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
50 minutes played Donegal 0-8 Derry 0-12 really impressive performance by Derry so far. Can Murphy turn things around for Donegal?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
How many Derry lads want a cut at Murphy? ;D

LOL think it was cause Murphy was having words with half the Derry team at half time. They were even talking about it on BBC
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 11, 2021, 05:18:26 PM
We have a real game of championship football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: dublin7 on July 11, 2021, 05:19:22 PM
50 minutes played Donegal 0-8 Derry 0-12 really impressive performance by Derry so far. Can Murphy turn things around for Donegal?

Derry are the better side but the worry would be they've missed so many goal chances and will it come back to haunt them. Water break came at a good time for them with Donegal just starting to get some momentum
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: highorlow on July 11, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
Letís hope this isnít decided by a poor ref decision
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 11, 2021, 05:29:18 PM
Soft free for Derry didn't see anything in that. McStay with a Freudian slip there a few minutes ago. "taking the jizz out of the shot"
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 11, 2021, 05:30:03 PM
Some mighty scores by both teams. Good second half. Derry have missed a good few chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
Hard to believe that Derry didn't get at least 1 goal. I get the feeling that will come back to haunt them, and Donegal will just edge out this game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 11, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
At least the game is competitive but there are 3 minutes left, the sides are level and you could hear a pin drop which tells you all about the lack of excitement in this game.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 05:37:31 PM
At least the game is competitive but there are 3 minutes left, the sides are level and you could hear a pin drop which tells you all about the lack of excitement in this game.

Huh?

Iím on the edge of my fuckin seat, literally!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: mrdeeds on July 11, 2021, 05:40:39 PM
At least the game is competitive but there are 3 minutes left, the sides are level and you could hear a pin drop which tells you all about the lack of excitement in this game.

That's called tension.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 11, 2021, 05:42:59 PM
FT Donegal 0-16 Derry 0-15. Some score to win it. Get out of jail card used by Donegal, Derry simply left the win behind them.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 11, 2021, 05:43:14 PM
Great score to win it, Derry unlucky
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 11, 2021, 05:44:13 PM
Hard luck Derry, they left that behind passing up 2 huge goal chances. Someone had to have a go at the end there, all passing the buck.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: highorlow on July 11, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Derry have only themselves to blame. They missed some sitter goals and a few sitter points. Then didnít bother to shoot at the end.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 11, 2021, 05:45:21 PM
Some winner by McBrearty there. Harsh on Derry, but they left that win behind them, should have taken at least one goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 05:46:46 PM
Absolutely blessed to get that win.

Fair fucks to Derry. Should have won that. Good to see yez back!

And fair fucks to Paddy at the end. Some score under the circumstances. And fair fucks to the team. They didnít fold when twice struggling and fours points adrift. Kept coming back even though they could never nose in front.

Best championship performance to date from Niall OíDonnell. Real leader when it counted.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 11, 2021, 05:48:52 PM
At least the game is competitive but there are 3 minutes left, the sides are level and you could hear a pin drop which tells you all about the lack of excitement in this game.

Huh?

Iím on the edge of my fuckin seat, literally!

Cagey, tactical, possession based stuff. The closeness kept it interesting but it wasnít exactly thrill a minute stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 11, 2021, 05:51:02 PM
it was a worthy winning point befitting the contest, though Derry  should have had that game in the bag, beyond the likes of Murphy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 11, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
Lucky lucky Donegal the relief on the the faces of the players and management said it all.

Not taking a shot on with the last attack will get mentioned plenty however Derry should have closed that game out and the non award of that penalty first half a big talking point now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 11, 2021, 05:55:09 PM
Some winner by McBrearty there. Harsh on Derry, but they left that win behind them, should have taken at least one goal.

As Msrty Clarke said, there would be a mistake or a hero to win it, at least Derry can say that at the end only something special ended it.
It s a big pity there is no back door, although Derry didn't always favour that route.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 11, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
Would be interesting to know how many times Rory Gallagher spits into his hands during a match.

Every time he does it, I think heís going to grab a shovel.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Lucky lucky Donegal the relief on the the faces of the players and management said it all.

Not taking a shot on with the last attack will get mentioned plenty however Derry should have closed that game out and the non award of that penalty first half a big talking point now.

Think you're being harsh on the ref on the penalty shout.

They were literally split-second offenses by McMenamin. Its not as if the ref overlooked him having a hold of the Derry forward around the neck or hanging off his shirt.

Its very easy to see things in close-up, slow-motion replays.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 11, 2021, 07:19:20 PM
Serious improvement under Gallagher. Left it all out on the pitch, out of steam at the end. Fair dues to Rory, management and the whole squad, great base to build upon for next year. Hard to believe the AI Final is in 8 weeks!

PS: some magnificent scores from both teams today
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 11, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
Donegal extremely fortunate and we all know they will raise their game against Tyrone so they will be like a different team next day out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
What are Donegal fans thoughts on bonner as a manager? Lucky today and heavily reliant on murphy. Donegal have been promising to break through for the last 3-4 years or so but have failed so far. No doubt they will beat tyrone but that seems to be there level so far. Is bonner the man to take use to the next level, what are Donegal thoughts?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: skeog on July 11, 2021, 07:55:25 PM
Tyrone will relish next week be nothing in it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
Tyrone Donegal is the toss of a coin.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: LeoMc on July 11, 2021, 08:26:51 PM
Waiting for McConville, McHugh and Harte to start windmilling on the BBC coverage. Plenty of disagreement and McHugh not happy about some Donegal lads not being county standard.
Sharp enough from McHugh, I wonder who it was directed at?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 11, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
1 bug bear from today game, are Children allowed in for free or do they have to use one of the ticket allocations. For supporters who went to Dublin and most away games before lockdown, tickets given to children who not remember game in yrs to come, and supporters who driven the country following the county team can't get one annoys me abit.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 11, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
1 bug bear from today game, are Children allowed in for free or do they have to use one of the ticket allocations. For supporters who went to Dublin and most away games before lockdown, tickets given to children who not remember game in yrs to come, and supporters who driven the country following the county team can't get one annoys me abit.

Ah man, really?? Children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 09:52:33 PM
Moderator messaged me thread was locked. I unlocked it. Apologies if it was my fat fingers that did it on my phone.

Wasnít even aware I could lock a thread or how to do so before this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Will it ever end on July 11, 2021, 09:59:55 PM
Would be interesting to know how many times Rory Gallagher spits into his hands during a match.

Every time he does it, I think heís going to grab a shovel.

You need to get out more if you think that would be interesting to know 🙈
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 11, 2021, 10:09:16 PM
Moderator messaged me thread was locked. I unlocked it. Apologies if it was my fat fingers that did it on my phone.

Wasnít even aware I could lock a thread or how to do so before this.

I just thought you weren't a Whitney fan!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 11, 2021, 10:21:40 PM
Moderator messaged me thread was locked. I unlocked it. Apologies if it was my fat fingers that did it on my phone.

Wasnít even aware I could lock a thread or how to do so before this.

I just thought you weren't a Whitney fan!

 :D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Will it ever end on July 11, 2021, 10:25:41 PM
1 bug bear from today game, are Children allowed in for free or do they have to use one of the ticket allocations. For supporters who went to Dublin and most away games before lockdown, tickets given to children who not remember game in yrs to come, and supporters who driven the country following the county team can't get one annoys me abit.

I thought tickets were allocated 2 per club & were raffled amongst members who wished to attend, therefore if a child attended theyíd be taking up one of the allocated tickets at the entry price of £20.  With only 500 allocated how would you propose to accommodate everyone?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 11, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
1 bug bear from today game, are Children allowed in for free or do they have to use one of the ticket allocations. For supporters who went to Dublin and most away games before lockdown, tickets given to children who not remember game in yrs to come, and supporters who driven the country following the county team can't get one annoys me abit.

I thought tickets were allocated 2 per club & were raffled amongst members who wished to attend, therefore if a child attended theyíd be taking up one of the allocated tickets at the entry price of £20.  With only 500 allocated how would you propose to accommodate everyone?

A bigger bugbear of mine would be the thousands who, even hundreds who stayed away when Derry football needed them the most ie dropping to Div 3 and Div 4. I wouldn't be overly concerned at a few wains at a championship match during Covid times
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 11, 2021, 11:32:24 PM
That be OK if I wasn't one of those guys who followed the teams through Div 3 and 4 and not chance remotely of getting a ticket today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: screenexile on July 12, 2021, 12:56:32 AM
Devastated doesnít even cover how Iím feeling. Iíve been following Derry since 1990 and the last 10-15 years there hasnít been a whole lot to get excited about. I was excited today screaming at the TV and for 70 minutes thought we had it.

To a man the hunger and desire was there and itís been a while since that was the case. Yes we should have won the game but playing Div 3/4 over the past few years showed at crucial times in the game.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game and Iím just glad that this group have brought pride and competition back to the County. If we can keep things in place for next year thereís no reason we couldnít challenge for Ulster and with more talent coming through the future is looking bright and we should be targeting CP in the next 2-3 years.

Also fair play to the minors as well huge game next week best of luck to all involved!!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 12, 2021, 03:41:24 PM
What are Donegal fans thoughts on bonner as a manager? Lucky today and heavily reliant on murphy. Donegal have been promising to break through for the last 3-4 years or so but have failed so far. No doubt they will beat tyrone but that seems to be there level so far. Is bonner the man to take use to the next level, what are Donegal thoughts?

1. Speaking for myself, I'm happy enough with Bonner overall. Not saying someone like McGuinness wouldn't be getting a bit extra out of them, but I'm not sure the talent is there to get much bigger success out of the squad anyway. Our level is competing for Ulster titles and a wee bit short of beating the likes of Kerry and Mayo in Championship.
I'm not on the ground in Donegal, so I am obviously not anywhere near as informed as the likes of Martin McHugh would be about the available talent. Maybe there are players out there who should be being selected ahead of some of those on the pitch, but I'm not sure who. Ciaran Gillespie has been spoken about for five years as a big hope for centre back, and indeed impressed in the few county games he's played, as well as for Gaoth Dobhair, but if a lad is continually getting long-term injuries and never has a chance to stake a place, what can you do? MacNiallais made a huge difference when he came on yesterday, but he's not been fit either recently, and was unavailable for the last two seasons. There were some men who had quiet games yesterday, but have been star men on other occasions.
I did think Bonner should have acted to curb the influence of Cassidy up Derry's left wing. He caused huge problems for the first hour of the game before Derry tired, with the exception of that period before half time when Donegal got on top on the Derry kick-out. But I'm happy overall to see him moving the squad on from the defensive stuff that plumbed the depths under Rory Gallagher (sorry Rory - I know you're doing sterling work with Derry, and did so in the early McGuinness years with us).

2. Murphy - is there a county out there, with the exception of Dublin, who WOULDN'T be so reliant on a player of that ability and influence. He's the greatest talent the county has ever produced. Of course he elevates us. We wouldn't have won five Ulsters and an All Ireland over the last decade without him. We're going to slip back a bit when he retires. There's nothing anyone can do about that.

3."No doubt they will beat Tyrone"?? Seriously, do you REALLY believe that? ;D This game is 50/50 at best, and in Tyrone's favour if Murphy is not fit. With the exception of you blowing us out in 2017 and us delivering a four point drubbing to you in 2019 (it should have been ten, at least), these games are always extremely tight.
 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: David McKeown on July 12, 2021, 04:07:42 PM
From an impartial point of view Iím still undecided on Bonner. I think thereís exceptional talent in Donegal at the minute and they are a top 4/5 team for which he must take a lot of credit a bit like Tyrone in the noughties so they should at a minimum be challenging for Ulsters and I donít know if the reason they havenít really challenged Dublin is due to poor management or bad luck.

The year McBrearty got injured I thought Donegal were as close to Dublin as anyone has been the last 5/6 years but they didnít come close. Part of that was obviously the loss of McBrearty but at the same time I donít think his injury explains solely how poor they became overnight that year.

Last year then would also raise question marks for me. I thought Donegal easily the best team in Ulster. Destroyed a decent Armagh team in the semi and then got comprehensively outplayed by a Cavan team that wouldnít have been much ahead of Armagh. Was that down to poor management, poor tactics, poor motivation/preparation? Or was it just that Cavan were inspired that day?   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 12, 2021, 04:26:52 PM
From an impartial point of view Iím still undecided on Bonner. I think thereís exceptional talent in Donegal at the minute and they are a top 4/5 team for which he must take a lot of credit a bit like Tyrone in the noughties so they should at a minimum be challenging for Ulsters and I donít know if the reason they havenít really challenged Dublin is due to poor management or bad luck.

The year McBrearty got injured I thought Donegal were as close to Dublin as anyone has been the last 5/6 years but they didnít come close. Part of that was obviously the loss of McBrearty but at the same time I donít think his injury explains solely how poor they became overnight that year.

Last year then would also raise question marks for me. I thought Donegal easily the best team in Ulster. Destroyed a decent Armagh team in the semi and then got comprehensively outplayed by a Cavan team that wouldnít have been much ahead of Armagh. Was that down to poor management, poor tactics, poor motivation/preparation? Or was it just that Cavan were inspired that day?

They underestimated what Cavan would bring, having beaten them fairly handily the previous two seasons.

Not saying they felt they just had to show up or that Cavan wouldn't give them a tough enough game. They just appeared completely unprepared for the manic intensity and workrate which Cavan brought on the day.

And I guess at least part of the blame for that has to go to Bonner.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 12, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
One thing I can't understand about this Donegal team is the fact that they hardly ever kickpass it out of defence - something like 90% or 95% of the time when Donegal turn it over inside their own 45 it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to be handpassed and run up the other end of the pitch allowing the oppostion plenty of time to get back and set up their defensive shape.

The thing is there have been occasions when Patton's long kickouts have meant that good quality ball has gone into the forwards with space to operate and Donegal have gotten good returns.

The running it out of defence all the time is something that every opposition team just love to see, which is reason number one why Donegal shouldn't do it.

I don't know is it a cultural thing or what but I reckon if Donegal changed their approach here it would benefit them significantly.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: skeog on July 12, 2021, 05:38:28 PM
wet pitch winter sod
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: thewobbler on July 12, 2021, 05:53:24 PM
One thing I can't understand about this Donegal team is the fact that they hardly ever kickpass it out of defence - something like 90% or 95% of the time when Donegal turn it over inside their own 45 it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to be handpassed and run up the other end of the pitch allowing the oppostion plenty of time to get back and set up their defensive shape.

The thing is there have been occasions when Patton's long kickouts have meant that good quality ball has gone into the forwards with space to operate and Donegal have gotten good returns.

The running it out of defence all the time is something that every opposition team just love to see, which is reason number one why Donegal shouldn't do it.

I don't know is it a cultural thing or what but I reckon if Donegal changed their approach here it would benefit them significantly.

I drive past Downingsí field a couple of weeks ago and it re-registered why Donegal have a hand passing tradition. Thereís got be days up there where itís not possible to kick a ball forwards.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 12, 2021, 06:00:29 PM
One thing I can't understand about this Donegal team is the fact that they hardly ever kickpass it out of defence - something like 90% or 95% of the time when Donegal turn it over inside their own 45 it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to be handpassed and run up the other end of the pitch allowing the oppostion plenty of time to get back and set up their defensive shape.

The thing is there have been occasions when Patton's long kickouts have meant that good quality ball has gone into the forwards with space to operate and Donegal have gotten good returns.

The running it out of defence all the time is something that every opposition team just love to see, which is reason number one why Donegal shouldn't do it.

I don't know is it a cultural thing or what but I reckon if Donegal changed their approach here it would benefit them significantly.

I drive past Downingsí field a couple of weeks ago and it re-registered why Donegal have a hand passing tradition. Thereís got be days up there where itís not possible to kick a ball forwards.

Not sure if I buy this  - Would the weather conditions and pitches in Donegal be all that different from in Kerry or Mayo, who constantly kick the ball out of defence?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: thewobbler on July 12, 2021, 06:06:33 PM
Youíre probably right. Donegal does seem to have an unusually high percentage of coastal clubs for such a large land mass. But itís probably more of a cultural concept than a weather-driven one.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 12, 2021, 06:22:42 PM
Donegal were always a handpass team,  before the McGuinnes era. I heard that too that the Coastal weather conditions the clubs played in resulted in a lot of handpassing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 12, 2021, 06:43:15 PM
Youíre probably right. Donegal does seem to have an unusually high percentage of coastal clubs for such a large land mass. But itís probably more of a cultural concept than a weather-driven one.

Most of the clubs have pitches either on or very close to the coast. Apart from Glenfin, Pettigo, and the clubs in or near the Ballybofey/Lifford/Letterkenny area, I can't think of any that are not within a mile or two. Most of the towns in Donegal are coastal. Particularly in times gone by, the only level bit of ground you might be able to find in an area would have been down by the beach!

Wind and rain are a fact of life there. I remember many matches underage where the team playing against the wind would be almost penned in, decades before blanket defense was even a glint in Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness's respective eyes!

No idea why hand passing was never a feature in Kerry though. They're a coastal county as well, at least the peninsular parts.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: maddog on July 13, 2021, 08:46:53 AM
Youíre probably right. Donegal does seem to have an unusually high percentage of coastal clubs for such a large land mass. But itís probably more of a cultural concept than a weather-driven one.

Most of the clubs have pitches either on or very close to the coast. Apart from Glenfin, Pettigo, and the clubs in or near the Ballybofey/Lifford/Letterkenny area, I can't think of any that are not within a mile or two. Most of the towns in Donegal are coastal. Particularly in times gone by, the only level bit of ground you might be able to find in an area would have been down by the beach!

Wind and rain are a fact of life there. I remember many matches underage where the team playing against the wind would be almost penned in, decades before blanket defense was even a glint in Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness's respective eyes!

No idea why hand passing was never a feature in Kerry though. They're a coastal county as well, at least the peninsular parts.

Late 70s Kerry were like the Harlem globetrotters
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on July 13, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
Devastated doesnít even cover how Iím feeling. Iíve been following Derry since 1990 and the last 10-15 years there hasnít been a whole lot to get excited about. I was excited today screaming at the TV and for 70 minutes thought we had it.

To a man the hunger and desire was there and itís been a while since that was the case. Yes we should have won the game but playing Div 3/4 over the past few years showed at crucial times in the game.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game and Iím just glad that this group have brought pride and competition back to the County. If we can keep things in place for next year thereís no reason we couldnít challenge for Ulster and with more talent coming through the future is looking bright and we should be targeting CP in the next 2-3 years.

Also fair play to the minors as well huge game next week best of luck to all involved!!

Sums it up perfectly.
The closer the game came the more convinced I was that we were going to win. I still can't quite get my head around the fact that we didn't.
Some point by McBrearty to snatch it.
But if we'd taken even one of our goal chances we'd probably be sitting lined up for a semi final.
I don't know how that penalty wasn't awarded to McGuigan....so frustrating. But I guess the difference between the two teams was the efficiency in front of the posts. I saw a stat on the screen mid way through the second half on RTE. Derry had scored 10/16 chances where Donegal had scored 12/13 chances.  That's the difference, a very fine margin.

But, overall the signs for Derry are really good. Our senior team is competitive again and are playing as a team. Gallagher has done a tremendous job.
The age profile is good, we have the minors in an AI final so hopefully we'll get a few more quality players filtering through. I think we need to improve the bench as our subs didn't seem to make the impact the Donegal subs did, but hopefully that will come too.
A year of Div2 football and a further year of building under Gallagher and hopefully we'll be real contenders in Ulster at least.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 13, 2021, 10:59:19 AM
Again an awful pity that Derry team donít get another day out, some serious talent in that side and Donegal had to dig deep. Could be 6 genuine Ulster contenders next year depending on where Cavan go next. Tyrone and Donegal unlikely to be any more than a kick of the ball between them, but Murphy will get Donegal over the line if fit I reckon.

I know we definitely have it in us to beat Monaghan, the ability is there itís just the cuteness/ruthlessness to see games out as usual that could kill us. Definitely a game that could go either way and if we get over this, itís a free swipe at Donegal or Tyrone in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 13, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Should be 2 finely balanced matches at the weekend.

I would have said at the start of this season that Donegal were on a par with Kerry based on last year but they would appear to have gone in different directions since then. Donegal have had some injuries to key players which may have impacted their form this year and winning a close battle with Derry on Sunday should serve them well. I still expect that they have the players to get over Tyrone on Sunday but it wouldn't surprise me it went the other way.

Similar with Armagh and Monaghan, I think this will be another cliff hanger. I'd expect McManus to be fit to play although the miles on the clock do look to be catching up on him and I think Armagh are the team on an upwards curve. If they can contain Monaghan in defence, I think Armagh have the greater all round quality up front to edge it.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bennydorano on July 13, 2021, 12:01:45 PM
Any word of overall ticket numbers for the weekend games?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
Again an awful pity that Derry team donít get another day out, some serious talent in that side and Donegal had to dig deep. Could be 6 genuine Ulster contenders next year depending on where Cavan go next. Tyrone and Donegal unlikely to be any more than a kick of the ball between them, but Murphy will get Donegal over the line if fit I reckon.

I know we definitely have it in us to beat Monaghan, the ability is there itís just the cuteness/ruthlessness to see games out as usual that could kill us. Definitely a game that could go either way and if we get over this, itís a free swipe at Donegal or Tyrone in the final.

Why is it a pity that they donít get another game? They wonít win Sam so now the county can get their championships and leagues done  with the county players back.

Iím preferring the knock out stages tbh
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: befair on July 13, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
I hope Chris McKeague gets an All-Star some year. Outstanding for his club for years, and a great performance last Sunday (can't be blamed for the winning pt)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 13, 2021, 01:03:58 PM
Devastated doesnít even cover how Iím feeling. Iíve been following Derry since 1990 and the last 10-15 years there hasnít been a whole lot to get excited about. I was excited today screaming at the TV and for 70 minutes thought we had it.

To a man the hunger and desire was there and itís been a while since that was the case. Yes we should have won the game but playing Div 3/4 over the past few years showed at crucial times in the game.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game and Iím just glad that this group have brought pride and competition back to the County. If we can keep things in place for next year thereís no reason we couldnít challenge for Ulster and with more talent coming through the future is looking bright and we should be targeting CP in the next 2-3 years.

Also fair play to the minors as well huge game next week best of luck to all involved!!

Sums it up perfectly.
The closer the game came the more convinced I was that we were going to win. I still can't quite get my head around the fact that we didn't.
Some point by McBrearty to snatch it.
But if we'd taken even one of our goal chances we'd probably be sitting lined up for a semi final.
I don't know how that penalty wasn't awarded to McGuigan....so frustrating. But I guess the difference between the two teams was the efficiency in front of the posts. I saw a stat on the screen mid way through the second half on RTE. Derry had scored 10/16 chances where Donegal had scored 12/13 chances.  That's the difference, a very fine margin.

But, overall the signs for Derry are really good. Our senior team is competitive again and are playing as a team. Gallagher has done a tremendous job.
The age profile is good, we have the minors in an AI final so hopefully we'll get a few more quality players filtering through. I think we need to improve the bench as our subs didn't seem to make the impact the Donegal subs did, but hopefully that will come too.
A year of Div2 football and a further year of building under Gallagher and hopefully we'll be real contenders in Ulster at least.
Iíve heard rumblings about the non selection of players from north Derry onto the team. Are there some good players deliberately being shunned?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rrhf on July 13, 2021, 01:51:16 PM
I understand all that surely, but cant you at least admit you lacked a wee bit of bravery needed at the end. In a strange way it reminded me of the national league final in 91/92 for Tyrone. 2 very even and coming teams and the losers had the opportunities to win it. a flukey goal or a goal chance missed - no difference.  A  breakthrough game for either team and on that 91/92 day the losing team went on to suffer disproportionately for a few years whereas the winning team were hailed as giants and in their supporters eyes team of the decade. a hype wave that propelled them to an all ireland win within 20 months. Watch Donegal go now...  Such is football. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 13, 2021, 02:01:47 PM
Apart from the gilt edged goal chance that rebounded off the crossbar and onto the line, Derry had at least 3 other half chances of goals in the second half where they took the easy option of taking the point. When there was an opportunity to twist the knife they didn't take it. A goal at that stage in the game probably would have won them the match. Donegal were just a bit more composed inside the scoring zone and were very efficient with their point taking from 30-40m out.

For Donegal I would be concerned with the amount of times their defence was breached to give up goal chances. The same thing happened against Down in the first match where they gave up about 4 good goal chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 13, 2021, 02:10:38 PM
Apart from the gilt edged goal chance that rebounded off the crossbar and onto the line, Derry had at least 3 other half chances of goals in the second half where they took the easy option of taking the point. When there was an opportunity to twist the knife they didn't take it. A goal at that stage in the game probably would have won them the match. Donegal were just a bit more composed inside the scoring zone and were very efficient with their point taking from 30-40m out.

For Donegal I would be concerned with the amount of times their defence was breached to give up goal chances. The same thing happened against Down in the first match where they gave up about 4 good goal chances.

Its been a concern since the start of last season.

So far teams, Monaghan in the league aside, either take the point or Donegal usually manage to get enough there in the end to make the shot a difficult one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on July 13, 2021, 02:21:56 PM
I understand all that surely, but cant you at least admit you lacked a wee bit of bravery needed at the end. In a strange way it reminded me of the national league final in 91/92 for Tyrone. 2 very even and coming teams and the losers had the opportunities to win it. a flukey goal or a goal chance missed - no difference.  A  breakthrough game for either team and on that 91/92 day the losing team went on to suffer disproportionately for a few years whereas the winning team were hailed as giants and in their supporters eyes team of the decade. a hype wave that propelled them to an all ireland win within 20 months. Watch Donegal go now...  Such is football.

It wasn't a bravery issue....we weren't able to get the ball worked into a scoring position. Look at where we had the ball. Donegal did a job in keeping us out. It would have been silly to shoot from a bad position when you know if the ball goes dead the game is over. Generally in that scenario the ref will play on until the attacking team gets a shot off but a poor ref performance was, in my opinion, capped off by not letting Derry have the opportunity of working the ball into the scoring position.
I don't think there's any comparison with a league final almost 30 years with this game and I certainly don't consider that league final being a breakthrough game for Derry. Yeah we got a goal at the end, but it was to win a competition that didn't really factor very highly on anyone's radar. Perhaps Tyrone had more ambitions for that than Derry did.
What was the breakthrough for Derry back then was winning the 89 minor championship, St. Pat's Maghera winning McCrory cups and Hogan cups, Lavey winning an All Ireland club and a highly competitive county championship. That's where the hype came from within Derry and where the expectations came from. Not from beating a team that hadn't won anything in a competition that wasn't rated all that highly.

Donegal may well push on now, but I doubt they would consider that match a breakthrough game for them. Tyrone will be a test for them, but I think Donegal will be too strong for them in the middle third. Tyrone are hard to judge as they are changing their style of play and under new management. Difficult game to call, but I'd slightly lean towards Donegal given the trouncing Tyrone got in Kerry.

From a Derry perspective, our minors have been knocking at the door for a few years, our school teams have been performing well, Glen had a minor team that won 2 (I think) ulster championships, Slaughtneil winning Ulster and prgressing to the latter stages of the AI championship and we have an experienced manager. These are all good signs that as a county we are moving in the right direction and whilst the result was disappointing, we've progressed a huge amount over the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Estimator on July 13, 2021, 03:18:20 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on July 13, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 13, 2021, 04:28:09 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 13, 2021, 04:39:51 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2021, 05:19:10 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Refíd a game recently, point in it with injury time nearly up, free from out on the wing I said to the player that heíll need to either score or Iíll allow one play from the break ball. Ball dropped short and they proceeded to try and engineer a score, eventually I blew and the abuse was desperate..

I was the reason why Antrim football is so bad, was the pick!
You canít blow when the team is attacking! Thatís a new one

When times up, itís up !
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on July 13, 2021, 05:24:38 PM
How aware do you think the players were of the time remaining?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 13, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Refíd a game recently, point in it with injury time nearly up, free from out on the wing I said to the player that heíll need to either score or Iíll allow one play from the break ball. Ball dropped short and they proceeded to try and engineer a score, eventually I blew and the abuse was desperate..

I was the reason why Antrim football is so bad, was the pick!
You canít blow when the team is attacking! Thatís a new one

When times up, itís up !

Hope ye got called a baldy basturt at least once also 😃
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 13, 2021, 05:45:54 PM
The failure to get a shot away within the time limit was purely Derry's own doing, Coldrick gave them every chance. If anything he was being over generous with the amount of injury time played. I'm not sure where he found another 75 seconds from in those 4 minutes. It was just poor game management from Derry but was in keeping with the general pattern of the game where both sides showed an unwillingness to take a risk and kick to an inside forward. Both sides had been preconditioned to play a safe possession based game which did little for the spectacle. I don't buy into the post match narrative many put forward that the quality of this match kick started the championship. It was simply down to the closeness of the scores and a general desperation for a competitive match which kept it interesting. The lack of physical contact and long spells of short passing possession based plays are not very entertaining for a supporter to watch.

The non award of a Derry penalty is another matter entirely, he made a mistake on that one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 13, 2021, 05:53:08 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: TabClear on July 13, 2021, 06:24:07 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Refíd a game recently, point in it with injury time nearly up, free from out on the wing I said to the player that heíll need to either score or Iíll allow one play from the break ball. Ball dropped short and they proceeded to try and engineer a score, eventually I blew and the abuse was desperate..

I was the reason why Antrim football is so bad, was the pick!
You canít blow when the team is attacking! Thatís a new one

When times up, itís up !

This. Drives me mad (even more so in soccer ball) when refs play a few extra seconds to give the attacking team a chance. If time is up the ref should blow it up irrespective of were the ball is on the field. I know that might cause a riot in certain situations but that's the rules. If we want to see teams get "one more chance" then by all means change the rules  like rugby where the ball had to be out of play for time to be up. (The GAA trialled this about ten years ago I think?). I actually think it was a decent change in that it takes a degree of subjectivity out of it but in the modern game it  might go too far the other way. Those Derry lads might still be passing it along the 45 if that rule was in place.  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 13, 2021, 06:32:17 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.

A proper leader? Did you see some of the scores from likes of McFaul and McGuigan when Donegal had fought their way back into the game on different occasions? Glass and even young Doherty. That team had leadership all over the pitch on Sunday. From a team playing Div 4 very recently to what we witnessed in Ballybofey. You could see from about the 65th minute on alot of the players were out on their feet. It's just didn't happen in the last few mins. Certainly not down to not having a proper leader
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 13, 2021, 07:04:40 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Refíd a game recently, point in it with injury time nearly up, free from out on the wing I said to the player that heíll need to either score or Iíll allow one play from the break ball. Ball dropped short and they proceeded to try and engineer a score, eventually I blew and the abuse was desperate..

I was the reason why Antrim football is so bad, was the pick!
You canít blow when the team is attacking! Thatís a new one

When times up, itís up !

This. Drives me mad (even more so in soccer ball) when refs play a few extra seconds to give the attacking team a chance. If time is up the ref should blow it up irrespective of were the ball is on the field. I know that might cause a riot in certain situations but that's the rules. If we want to see teams get "one more chance" then by all means change the rules  like rugby where the ball had to be out of play for time to be up. (The GAA trialled this about ten years ago I think?). I actually think it was a decent change in that it takes a degree of subjectivity out of it but in the modern game it  might go too far the other way. Those Derry lads might still be passing it along the 45 if that rule was in place.  ;)

Literally thousands of games have been played with the hooter in the ladies games and there is never any bother with time-keeping.

Congress approved a hooter system twice yet Central Council stopped it being introduced.

Some of the reasons Central Council gave why it shouldn't be introduced was because they were afraid that it would lead to teams playing keep ball at the end of matches [as if that doesn't happen anyways] They were also afraid that a hooter system might lead to substitutions being made to waste time [as if that doesn't happen anyways (and also there is a blinding obvious solution to this - stop the clock for substitutions]

Complete head in the sand stuff from Central Council on this
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2021, 07:39:56 PM
The time wasting at the end of games is ridiculous these days. I find it hard to believe it could get any worse.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rrhf on July 13, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.
Going into this game we all knew that the strong Derry club teams can pass the ball around side to side and win a game 5-4 or 7 -6. In one intercounty game in the past they kept the ruling all ireland champions to no score at half time.   Defensive ability is never or has never been in question with Derry. It is as much about their own belief in themselves going forward, confronting those negative demons, and for 73 minutes you could see it was working under GAllaghers tutelage.... even forgiving the fisted efforts over the bar.  It is worth pointing out though that during this time the Derry men they reneged their  right to complain about penalties, as they would have more than likely taken a point as they did with the 4 goal chances they did have. In 1993 when the greatest ever Derry team  took the field, them boys knew full well that they had hardly a forward to their name, but what they did have made up for it by attacking and shooting twice as much as the opposition and having a go and indeed plenty went over and under the bar for that have a lash mentality.  It mightn't have been easy on the eye for most, but they knew when they were facing an auld done Cork team in the final, that their time had come, they just had to be brave and go for it and they did, and to this day there is a Sam Maguire base in the Croke Park museum with their name on it. The modern team needs to look at the history make up for their obvious failings by pulling out the VHS and watching those lads simply having a go...     
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 13, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
Regarding the 4 mins injury time; is it not the case that the time added on at the end is a minimum?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 13, 2021, 09:34:19 PM
Regarding the 4 mins injury time; is it not the case that the time added on at the end is a minimum?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2021, 09:40:31 PM
How aware do you think the players were of the time remaining?

In my experience the players are talking to you that whole period, even to the point of checking your watch. They are well aware
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2021, 09:42:32 PM
You could even see Coldrick motioning with his hands after he blew, almost laughing, basically saying, "how much time do you expect me to give yez, lads?".

Once it went back out to the middle to start over again, he was always going to blow.

On his overall performance, I didn't see him as being harsh on either team. He missed the penalty shout, but McMenamin pulled the shirt and put the arm around his neck for a split second each, so its not hard to see how Coldrick missed it in real time.

I'd agree re the time given. We knew he'd eventually blow once the ball was being passed backwards, which is fair enough I suppose. I think Rogers was the only player who could maybe have let one fly.

Completely disagree re the penalty shout though. Coldrick was standing looking at it, the arm / hand around the neck was in full view of the ref... It was poor not to award a penalty imo.

Refíd a game recently, point in it with injury time nearly up, free from out on the wing I said to the player that heíll need to either score or Iíll allow one play from the break ball. Ball dropped short and they proceeded to try and engineer a score, eventually I blew and the abuse was desperate..

I was the reason why Antrim football is so bad, was the pick!
You canít blow when the team is attacking! Thatís a new one

When times up, itís up !

Hope ye got called a baldy basturt at least once also 😃

Was called it very recently  ; , called him over and faked a red card, he shit himself,  I was just going to show him yellow but couldnít resist   ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on July 13, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
Lads, can anyone recommend a good bar in Belfast city centre to watch the 2 Ulster semi finals this weekend. I appreciate the golf is on as well but which bar(s) would be best to catch the Gaelic or even better, be able to watch the golf and the GAA
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 13, 2021, 10:12:43 PM
The garrick is your best bet. They'll definitely be showing it. Watched plenty a game in it in recent years.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 14, 2021, 07:39:31 AM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.

A proper leader? Did you see some of the scores from likes of McFaul and McGuigan when Donegal had fought their way back into the game on different occasions? Glass and even young Doherty. That team had leadership all over the pitch on Sunday. From a team playing Div 4 very recently to what we witnessed in Ballybofey. You could see from about the 65th minute on alot of the players were out on their feet. It's just didn't happen in the last few mins. Certainly not down to not having a proper leader

Firstly, playing well (even when under pressure) does not automatically make someone a good leader.  It just makes them a good footballer.

Those guys are too young to be the type of player I'm talking about.  They may be on their way to being that player, but they're nowhere near the finished article.

It was so blindingly obvious what they should have done in those final minutes, but nobody elected to do it and nobody stepped forward and said 'right lads, this is what is gonna happen here'.   Instead, we had a queue of players, passing responsibility from one to the next, not wanting to be the one who made the decision.  Until such times as Coldrick made the decision for them.

Even so-called 'second-rate' Derry teams (early 2000's etc) would have had an abundance of players with the gumption to know how to engineer a free in that situation.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 14, 2021, 08:28:49 AM
Any news on permitted attendance and tickets for this weekends Armagh/Monaghan game in Newry?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 14, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.

A proper leader? Did you see some of the scores from likes of McFaul and McGuigan when Donegal had fought their way back into the game on different occasions? Glass and even young Doherty. That team had leadership all over the pitch on Sunday. From a team playing Div 4 very recently to what we witnessed in Ballybofey. You could see from about the 65th minute on alot of the players were out on their feet. It's just didn't happen in the last few mins. Certainly not down to not having a proper leader

Firstly, playing well (even when under pressure) does not automatically make someone a good leader.  It just makes them a good footballer.

Those guys are too young to be the type of player I'm talking about.  They may be on their way to being that player, but they're nowhere near the finished article.

It was so blindingly obvious what they should have done in those final minutes, but nobody elected to do it and nobody stepped forward and said 'right lads, this is what is gonna happen here'.   Instead, we had a queue of players, passing responsibility from one to the next, not wanting to be the one who made the decision.  Until such times as Coldrick made the decision for them.

Even so-called 'second-rate' Derry teams (early 2000's etc) would have had an abundance of players with the gumption to know how to engineer a free in that situation.

Yeah OK. So a team who engineered enough chances to win that game several times over, from an incredibly low base remember, have the likes of McFaul, McGuigan, McKaigue, Rogers, McKindless, Glass and so many of the younger players who took the fight to Donegal etc are lacking bollocks and leadership. Got ye. Great attitude to have after such a heroic display. So very Derry
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on July 14, 2021, 11:31:35 AM
Always thought a good rule change would be that play is not blown up until the ball goes out of play after the allotted amount of injury time has passed by at the end of the first half or second, would make for more tense finishes like this, and would rule out referee discretion on when exactly it should be blown up. 

Derry can take the positives away from the weekend, they held their own against a top top team so things look promising moving into next year. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 14, 2021, 12:07:03 PM
I wouldn't blame Coldrick for not allowing Derry time to get an equaliser. McBreartys winning point landed over the bar right on time ticking by the 74min. He blew the whistle about 75secs later, he allowed Derry to work the ball down the left, then switch the ball to the right, before trying to go again on the other side. He was never going to add infinite time to let Derry get a shot away.

I'm not saying it should have been an infinite amount of time, but if he wasn't going to give Derry the chance to develop a scoring situation, why didn't he just blow it up after the kickout? 75seconds isn't long when you take the time needed for a kickout out of it.
Perhaps another 30-60 seconds is all it would have needed then there really would have been no excuse for not getting a shot off. If we couldn't have worked a scoring attempt in that time then fair enough. It is subjective I suppose but I felt over the course of the entire game he was unduly harsh on Derry in comparison to Donegal. I see the Irish News yesterday seemed to be of the same view.

Can't agree with this at all.

As one poster said, he gave Derry enough time to make 3 attempts at breaching the Donegal defence.  But nobody wanted to take on the responsibility.

This is where Derry miss a proper leader.

All it took was for someone to carry the ball into a Donegal tackle.  Coldrick would have been absolutely itching to award a free.  But nobody had the sense/bollo*cks to do it.

Instead they danced forwards and backwards across the 45 until the ref had no option but to call time.

A proper leader? Did you see some of the scores from likes of McFaul and McGuigan when Donegal had fought their way back into the game on different occasions? Glass and even young Doherty. That team had leadership all over the pitch on Sunday. From a team playing Div 4 very recently to what we witnessed in Ballybofey. You could see from about the 65th minute on alot of the players were out on their feet. It's just didn't happen in the last few mins. Certainly not down to not having a proper leader

Firstly, playing well (even when under pressure) does not automatically make someone a good leader.  It just makes them a good footballer.

Those guys are too young to be the type of player I'm talking about.  They may be on their way to being that player, but they're nowhere near the finished article.

It was so blindingly obvious what they should have done in those final minutes, but nobody elected to do it and nobody stepped forward and said 'right lads, this is what is gonna happen here'.   Instead, we had a queue of players, passing responsibility from one to the next, not wanting to be the one who made the decision.  Until such times as Coldrick made the decision for them.

Even so-called 'second-rate' Derry teams (early 2000's etc) would have had an abundance of players with the gumption to know how to engineer a free in that situation.

Yeah OK. So a team who engineered enough chances to win that game several times over, from an incredibly low base remember, have the likes of McFaul, McGuigan, McKaigue, Rogers, McKindless, Glass and so many of the younger players who took the fight to Donegal etc are lacking bollocks and leadership. Got ye. Great attitude to have after such a heroic display. So very Derry

Just calling it as I see it.

Nothing says 'so very Derry' like revelling in a heroic defeat and refusing to address (or even discuss!) the inadequacies that, if resolved, could have turned it into a victory.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 14, 2021, 12:09:43 PM
Always thought a good rule change would be that play is not blown up until the ball goes out of play after the allotted amount of injury time has passed by at the end of the first half or second, would make for more tense finishes like this, and would rule out referee discretion on when exactly it should be blown up. 

Derry can take the positives away from the weekend, they held their own against a top top team so things look promising moving into next year.

+1
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on July 14, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
Always thought a good rule change would be that play is not blown up until the ball goes out of play after the allotted amount of injury time has passed by at the end of the first half or second, would make for more tense finishes like this, and would rule out referee discretion on when exactly it should be blown up. 

Derry can take the positives away from the weekend, they held their own against a top top team so things look promising moving into next year.

+1

I understand your thinking but not sure it would work. In your case suggested, the whistle would have went as soon as McBrearty scored the point as 4 minutes had elapsed. Game over, no final chance for Derry to engineer an attack. Derry had ample opportunity, nobody broke a line to even attempt to work a Ďfree kickí or a scoring opportunity.

However, in fairness Derry played well and could/should have won but I donít buy this craic they are coming from a low base. They should never have been near Div 3 never mind Div 4. It was all their own undoing that left them there.

In reality they are a top 10 side in the country and are coming strong but Derry have to get over the line soon to back all the hype up. Would have been VERY dangerous opponents for any team in the back door and easily could have ended up in the Super 8ís
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ardchieftain on July 14, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 14, 2021, 12:40:29 PM
Always thought a good rule change would be that play is not blown up until the ball goes out of play after the allotted amount of injury time has passed by at the end of the first half or second, would make for more tense finishes like this, and would rule out referee discretion on when exactly it should be blown up. 

Derry can take the positives away from the weekend, they held their own against a top top team so things look promising moving into next year.

+1

I understand your thinking but not sure it would work. In your case suggested, the whistle would have went as soon as McBrearty scored the point as 4 minutes had elapsed. Game over, no final chance for Derry to engineer an attack. Derry had ample opportunity, nobody broke a line to even attempt to work a Ďfree kickí or a scoring opportunity.

However, in fairness Derry played well and could/should have won but I donít buy this craic they are coming from a low base. They should never have been near Div 3 never mind Div 4. It was all their own undoing that left them there.

In reality they are a top 10 side in the country and are coming strong but Derry have to get over the line soon to back all the hype up. Would have been VERY dangerous opponents for any team in the back door and easily could have ended up in the Super 8ís
Are they? Would want to wait until they get a few years in Division 2 under their belts first but the potential is definitely there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: 5times5times on July 14, 2021, 01:01:13 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 14, 2021, 02:23:32 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: 5times5times on July 14, 2021, 02:32:34 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.

2300 + 2400 across both Marshes & Enniskillen... Are they not the same size?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 14, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.

You would think in a ground that could hold around 18,000 when full that you could easily spread 4/5000 round it no bother. It's not like every person in the ground needs distanced either - up to 6 from one family can be together. Who is coming up with the numbers? The executive seemed to leave it up to the sports bodies?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 14, 2021, 02:50:19 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.

You would think in a ground that could hold around 18,000 when full that you could easily spread 4/5000 round it no bother. It's not like every person in the ground needs distanced either - up to 6 from one family can be together. Who is coming up with the numbers? The executive seemed to leave it up to the sports bodies?
The executive have said no legal limit. Think it is up to Ulster Council Iím assuming?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 14, 2021, 02:51:16 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.

2300 + 2400 across both Marshes & Enniskillen... Are they not the same size?
Strange one alright
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: the_daddy on July 14, 2021, 05:05:12 PM
Only 1700 allowed to attend the Armagh/Monaghan game. Very disappointing.

Where did you read this? Dont see on ulster twitter or site??
2300 is what the gaelic life said.

2300 + 2400 across both Marshes & Enniskillen... Are they not the same size?
Strange one alright
It's probably because Brewster has a larger number of seats making it easier to manage.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 14, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
Ulster GAA are reported to have decided that 2,300 spectators can attend the match in Newry.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
Whatís the capacity of the covered stand in Newry?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ardtole on July 14, 2021, 10:33:04 PM
5000 i think.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 15, 2021, 10:39:41 AM
Ulster Final for Croke Park?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 15, 2021, 04:32:32 PM
Ulster Final for Croke Park?

Armagh v Donegal as last time.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 15, 2021, 07:10:05 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0715/1235349-ulster-sfc-final-likely-to-be-played-at-croke-park/
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: delgany on July 15, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
Mc Namee's cleared to.play according to Declan Bogue & Team talk
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 15, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
Mc Namee's cleared to.play according to Declan Bogue & Team talk

No surprise there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: smort on July 15, 2021, 09:15:58 PM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on July 16, 2021, 11:17:28 AM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy

It's a great day for face slappers all over the country.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 16, 2021, 11:55:25 AM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy

It's a great day for face slappers all over the country.

If Paul Brennan didn't get a red last year for slapping a tyrone player in the back of the head then McNamee definitely wasnt a red. Simple.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
Does anybody fancy Armagh to go all the way?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2021, 12:11:09 PM
Does anybody fancy Armagh to go all the way?

All the way to where?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 12:30:17 PM
Out of Ulster anyway, I fancy a Tyrone v Armagh final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2021, 12:37:57 PM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy

It's a great day for face slappers all over the country.

If Paul Brennan didn't get a red last year for slapping a tyrone player in the back of the head then McNamee definitely wasnt a red. Simple.

Its not that simple at all.

Brennan got a yellow on the field. That meant it was done and over with. Had he got a red (which he easily could have) I seriously doubt if Donegal would have gone down the legal technicality route.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 12:50:23 PM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy

It's a great day for face slappers all over the country.

If Paul Brennan didn't get a red last year for slapping a tyrone player in the back of the head then McNamee definitely wasnt a red. Simple.

Its not that simple at all.

Brennan got a yellow on the field. That meant it was done and over with. Had he got a red (which he easily could have) I seriously doubt if Donegal would have gone down the legal technicality route.

Of course they wouldnt! Because it was blatant strike to the back of the head.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2021, 01:17:15 PM
I am surprised! Would love to know how it was overturned. As soft as the strike might have been, it was a red card all day every day, and twice on a sunday

If they can show a similar incident with no sending off or able to interpret the rules to fit their case then it will cast doubt over the call.

Personally it was a very soft red, I donít dish out too many cards so for me it needs to be malicious over the top stuff, and if the other player over eggs his reaction then heíll not get much sympathy

It's a great day for face slappers all over the country.

If Paul Brennan didn't get a red last year for slapping a tyrone player in the back of the head then McNamee definitely wasnt a red. Simple.

Its not that simple at all.

Brennan got a yellow on the field. That meant it was done and over with. Had he got a red (which he easily could have) I seriously doubt if Donegal would have gone down the legal technicality route.

Of course they wouldnt! Because it was blatant strike to the back of the head.

And every bit as soft and harmless, in reality, as McNamee's.

Brennan was wrong, playing with fire, and lucky. McKiernan was just embarrassing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: 5times5times on July 16, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.

Still fancy them at 11/10
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 16, 2021, 03:55:03 PM
I hear there's going to be an increased capacity announced for the Monaghan - Armagh game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 16, 2021, 03:58:25 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.

Blaineís kick outs last day worked very well, big loss for Saturday. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 16, 2021, 03:59:51 PM
I hear there's going to be an increased capacity announced for the Monaghan - Armagh game

Looks like theyíve Ticketmaster ready to go Ö

https://www.ticketmaster.ie/armagh-v-monaghan-ulster-football-semi-final-newry-17-07-2021/event/38005AEEB47E0ECA
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 16, 2021, 04:02:37 PM
What's Armagh's no.2 goalie like?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2021, 04:28:29 PM
I hear there's going to be an increased capacity announced for the Monaghan - Armagh game

Looks like theyíve Ticketmaster ready to go Ö

https://www.ticketmaster.ie/armagh-v-monaghan-ulster-football-semi-final-newry-17-07-2021/event/38005AEEB47E0ECA

Presumably they'd have to sell them through something like this, as it is too late to use the clubs and they couldn't risk people coming ot the ground, or it would be like Wembley.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
Some craic with keepers nowadays! Ya couldnít get anyone to get do do nets back in my day, usually the fat kid or tall talentless kid found their way in between the sticks!

Now they are tactical geniusís, no offence to any keepers or ex keepers ;)

Armagh wonít lose because of their no.1 keeper missing
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 16, 2021, 04:56:59 PM
Heat is going to be a major factor, given the temperatures today and tomorrow looking to be similar if not higher again, fitness and the bench will be crucial.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2021, 05:00:01 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.

As usual I'd take Geezers team sheet with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 16, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Because he is not a sociopath?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 16, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Jesus wept, you're some buck for doing your bit for the community
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2021, 05:32:06 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Yes he should have let it run rampant through the squad and backroom team first, what exactly was he thinking!!!

Do we even know if he has Covid, apart from people putting two and two together.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2021, 05:45:25 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Yes he should have let it run rampant through the squad and backroom team first, what exactly was he thinking!!!

Do we even know if he has Covid, apart from people putting two and two together.   

Well we know what the Armagh county board said
"ďA player of our senior football team has tested positive for Covid-19. We can confirm after strictly following the public health advice and with the support of our experienced medical team, this is an isolated case.

ďWe wish the player a full and speedy recovery, and we extend our best wishes to the team and management in their preparations for the USFC semi-final against Monaghan tomorrow.

There will no further comment at this time
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2021, 05:48:34 PM
Was this player in close contact with other players or do they train separately?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 16, 2021, 05:49:52 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 16, 2021, 06:07:27 PM
Hughes and McManus both named in Monaghan's starting lineup, though it goes without saying that any teamsheet from Banty should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I do get the impression both lads will be able to play a part anyway, whether they start or not. And that will be important tomorrow in that heat.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2021, 06:09:43 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2021, 06:11:40 PM
Hughes and McManus both named in Monaghan's starting lineup, though it goes without saying that any teamsheet from Banty should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I do get the impression both lads will be able to play a part anyway, whether they start or not. And that will be important tomorrow in that heat.

It will be the same with the Donegal team they release.

Bonner will have Murphy in there at 14, regardless of whether he's going to start or even feature.

In the past, managers use to downplay the chances of injured players lining out.

Now its full steam ahead, no matter what the real story!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 16, 2021, 08:36:59 PM
Half time in the Ulster Under 20 semi finals

Donegal 0-9 Monaghan 1-1
Down 1-9 Fermanagh 0-6

Both matches live on the TG4 YouTube channel
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on July 16, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??
True, madness.
Even if he has it you donít want to know, or have it confirmed, so you miss out. Schoolboy error
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 16, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
Donegal 0-10 Monaghan 2-6 at the water-break.

Scarcely believable that Monaghan are in the lead given how little of the ball they've had.

They did have 2 lads black carded in the first half and Donegal had 1 player over half-time.

Should be an interesting last quarter.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 16, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
Jaysus that's some turnaround from Monaghan. I didn't see the first half at all but we must have been pure shite by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 16, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
Jaysus that's some turnaround from Monaghan. I didn't see the first half at all but we must have been pure shite by the looks of it.

Weren't really that bad but had very little of the ball.
Donegal kicked some very nice scores from distance.
The two black cards had an impact.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 16, 2021, 09:23:55 PM
Late goal sealed the win for Monaghan 3-10 to 1-11. A good 2nd half performance by them.

Down 1-13 Fermanagh 0-10 in the other semi final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 16, 2021, 09:25:39 PM
Monaghan 3-10 Donegal 1-11

Monaghan won the 2nd half 2-9 to 1-2.

A game of two halves as the man says.

Swinburne with a hat-trick for Monaghan.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 16, 2021, 09:27:27 PM
Great second half performance by Monaghan, big impact off the bench too. Day to remember for Swinburne with the hat trick.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 16, 2021, 09:30:44 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Would you not say fuckall and play the game?

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 16, 2021, 09:47:17 PM
Out of Ulster anyway, I fancy a Tyrone v Armagh final
I fancy Armagh to go out of Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: LeoMc on July 16, 2021, 10:59:40 PM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Would you not say fuckall and play the game?

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
And maybe have 10 miss the final!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 17, 2021, 08:55:24 AM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Would you not say fuckall and play the game?

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
And maybe have 10 miss the final!

The mind boggles.

That heat is bound to be a huge factor in todayís game and the strength of the respective benches will be out to the test. I would say that Monaghan have more strength in depth than Armagh looking at their first round matches but I still find this match too close to call. Is Banty back in the dug out for this match after his 3 month ban?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 17, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Would you not say fuckall and play the game?

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
And maybe have 10 miss the final!
Canít miss it if you donít get testedÖ
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 17, 2021, 10:09:49 AM
The tragic crash in Monaghan last night has put this game into perspective.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 17, 2021, 10:12:43 AM
The tragic crash in Monaghan last night has put this game into perspective.

Should be postponed and moved to midweek
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Mario on July 17, 2021, 10:24:32 AM
Looks like Armagh's keeper Hughes is out with Covid. Big big loss.
What on earth would he get tested for in championship week??

Why on Earth would somebody post this???
Would you not say fuckall and play the game?

I would suspect (or at least hope) Armagh18 is a young lad.
And maybe have 10 miss the final!
Canít miss it if you donít get testedÖ
Maybe he was feeling like shit and rather than risk giving the whole squad covid he thought it would be better to get tested and step away if positive?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 17, 2021, 11:21:51 AM
Awful news coming out of Monaghan this morning. May the young lad rest in peace. Game really should be off today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 17, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Just awful news from last night, can't imagine what the family are going through.

Surely this game today has to be postponed, it's alot for everyone to deal with this morning.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 17, 2021, 11:59:19 AM
Most clubs in Monaghan including the lads own club have acknowledged his death this morning but nothing official from Monaghan GAA yet, possibly in talks about feasibility of match rearrangement?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 17, 2021, 12:45:38 PM
Most clubs in Monaghan including the lads own club have acknowledged his death this morning but nothing official from Monaghan GAA yet, possibly in talks about feasibility of match rearrangement?

Final isn't until the weekend of the 31st. This could easily be switched to midweek and I doubt Armagh would object. There has to be some room for compassion.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 17, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Sincere condolences to Brendans family and friends, team mates and all Monaghan Gaels.  A heart breaking tragedy. I hope the GAA give the team time to grieve.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Tubberman on July 17, 2021, 01:00:18 PM
Game going ahead according to Sky Sports.  Surprising
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 17, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
Most clubs in Monaghan including the lads own club have acknowledged his death this morning but nothing official from Monaghan GAA yet, possibly in talks about feasibility of match rearrangement?

Final isn't until the weekend of the 31st. This could easily be switched to midweek and I doubt Armagh would object. There has to be some room for compassion.
Absolutely. A game of football means nothing at a time like this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 17, 2021, 01:02:53 PM
The tragic crash in Monaghan last night has put this game into perspective.

Truly horrible news..RIP BrendŠn ”g Duffy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Gael85 on July 17, 2021, 01:07:28 PM
Game going ahead according to Sky Sports.  Surprising

Game should be off as mark of respect. Are sky calling the shots here?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Mack the finger on July 17, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Such devastating news. Hard to care about a game of football today.

Not sure what forces are at work, but thought game should have been postponed.
Hope it's not being played because of TV and financial pressures.
As Bob Dylan sang, Money doesn't talk, it swears.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 17, 2021, 01:10:14 PM
Can't believe the game is going ahead, greedy bastards
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 17, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
RIP to Brendan Og Duffy and condolences to his friends and family. I cannot believe this game is going ahead less than 24 since the death of their U20's captain. With how the season has been and the short timeframe to get the season completed you would think it was a GAA decision but perhaps the decision was left with Monaghan - who knows?

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 17, 2021, 01:18:30 PM
Are Sky pullin the shots here? Disgraceful if it goes ahead....
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
That is shocking that the game is proceeding. How can the Monaghan team be in any sort of mindset to play the match?

Poor lad and his family, friend and team mates. He must have been on such a high after an impressive comeback from his team.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
I think looking in there are a lot of pressures at play here to keep the game on, not just the fact that itís a televised game, staff, players, stewards, policing and so on.

 we would have for many years called games off at club level when there was a death in the club, nowadays these games are played in memory or in respect towards those that have passed.

This case is so tragic Iíd assume the Monaghan players/board would have had the ultimate say in this, and their reasoning will have to be respected.

I hope the family of that young man find some comfort from his short but very successful life going forward, just so sad, there are no words
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 17, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
There are indeed no words.
R.I.P poor chap.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
Heart-rending news about Brendan ”g, what a sudden end to a young life full of promise.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 17, 2021, 02:15:03 PM
RIP to the young man. God only knows what his family is going through
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2021, 02:20:43 PM
Terrible news, out of respect the Monaghan v Armagh game today should be called off.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 17, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
Horrific, RIP. Comhbhrůn MuineachŠn  :'(
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
Going for a draw
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
Armagh are handing this to Monaghan on a plate
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 17, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Looks like Armagh are back on their perch as the laughing stocks of Ulster football.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2021, 04:35:05 PM
Armagh have Stevie wonder in goals and defence
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 04:38:14 PM
A desperate McGeeney sends on a hatchet man.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 17, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
Armagh playing some great stuff but find themselves 7 points down at half time.  Second choice goalie needs a sweeper in front of him. Looks very nervy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 04:46:49 PM
Some effort from Beggan, what's the kicking distance from the sideline on the 45?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on July 17, 2021, 04:46:56 PM
Assuming there is no comeback here, this will make McGeeney's record in Ulster 7 losses, 1 draw and 2 wins in 10 Ulster Championship games.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 17, 2021, 04:47:03 PM
This isn't over. Armagh getting their points easily. Must be tough playing in that heat
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2021, 04:47:36 PM
A desperate McGeeney sends on a hatchet man.

Bad losers are not nice, but a bad winner is even worse.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 17, 2021, 04:49:17 PM
A desperate McGeeney sends on a hatchet man.

Shortly followed by my pet hate. There's a coming together and the ref books both of them. I'll go out on a limb here and say that the incident was all on Forker
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 04:50:58 PM
A desperate McGeeney sends on a hatchet man.

Bad losers are not nice, but a bad winner is even worse.
I guess you missed the bad foul and a yellow card inside 10 seconds of entry onto the pitch.
a sub with an obvious mission.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
Armagh defence a bit of shambles game looks as good as lost already.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
What does Donaghy do with Armagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: The Subbie on July 17, 2021, 04:59:10 PM
What does Donaghy do with Armagh.
Gets great ďexpenseísĒ Iíd say
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: greatpoint on July 17, 2021, 05:00:43 PM
What does Donaghy do with Armagh.

He brings the winning Kerry aura
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
What does Donaghy do with Armagh.
Gets great ďexpenseísĒ Iíd say

I should have said aside from the obvious.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2021, 05:05:35 PM
I expect Donaghy works with the Armagh forwards, and they are doing OK.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Eire90 on July 17, 2021, 05:07:55 PM
what was the pre game odds
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 05:11:39 PM
I expect Donaghy works with the Armagh forwards, and they are doing OK.
More than Ok, 14 pts in 1st half, very impressed with them.most came from play.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 05:14:34 PM
Monaghan have been prone to losing big leads in the 2nd half but Armagh are not taking their chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 17, 2021, 05:22:44 PM
game on now
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2021, 05:33:07 PM
Unbelievable Jeff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
What a turn around!! Unreal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 17, 2021, 05:38:00 PM
Boring defensive ulster football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 17, 2021, 05:47:03 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 05:47:37 PM
After doing all the hard work in that heat  to put Monaghan on their knees, Armagh didnít or couldnít push on, Monaghan were given the space to recover their composure and impose their class
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 05:48:34 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.
I think Conor was stabbed in the cheast for the second one.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 17, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
Heartbreaking loss for Armagh, really those goals conceded 1st half proved to be the killer. 2-21(27) must be one of the biggest scores for Armagh in a championship loss?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Westside on July 17, 2021, 05:49:02 PM
Routine enough win for Monaghan, got sticky for a few minutes but they handled it well. Armagh could have pushed on but took the foot off the gas when they went ahead as the smaller teams often does. McManus just immense when the game was in the melting pot.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 17, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
Proper Ulster Championship fare, well done Monaghan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 17, 2021, 05:50:22 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

"Buy"? The Armagh lads can't tackle properly. Biggest muckers out of the championship a tear will not be shed.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2021, 05:51:12 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
Credit to Banty in whatever way he handled the circumstances and managed to send out the team with a  championship positive mind set.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: naka on July 17, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.
Awful pass by Campbell
It changed the momentum
Just madness
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 17, 2021, 05:53:51 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.

For me mcmanus looked to grab the arm in and fall over for 1st one and 2nd one very soft. But fair play to monaghan, they have had a horrid week in the county and I don't begrudge them their win today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
Lovely words from Banty there.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: naka on July 17, 2021, 05:55:42 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.

For me mcmanus looked to grab the arm in and fall over for 1st one and 2nd one very soft. But fair play to monaghan, they have had a horrid week in the county and I don't begrudge them their win today.
First one iffy and Conor was blown up for the same sort of  one earlier
Second one just a stupid lazy tackle
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2021, 05:56:41 PM
Out of Ulster anyway, I fancy a Tyrone v Armagh final

No
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 17, 2021, 05:56:48 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.

For me mcmanus looked to grab the arm in and fall over for 1st one and 2nd one very soft. But fair play to monaghan, they have had a horrid week in the county and I don't begrudge them their win today.

Armagh got a few easy ones too and the lineball that led to the 2nd goal suspect too.

A word for Banty. He spoke really well there and did great to hold his emotions in check. Fair play
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bennydorano on July 17, 2021, 05:56:58 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.
Awful pass by Campbell
It changed the momentum
Just madness
100% correct, that pass was an abdication of responsibility for an experienced player like him. It was ultimately the difference in the end.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2021, 05:57:09 PM
Quote
Awful pass by Campbell
It changed the momentum
Just madness

There were mistakes in the first half, and mistakes are the end. You can't do this at a high level.
Armagh did a great deal of good work, but they need to stop the unnecessary stuff, whether it be lifting the ball or haymaker tackles.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

"Buy"? The Armagh lads can't tackle properly. Biggest muckers out of the championship a tear will not be shed.

McManus is unreal, one free maybe questionable, he still had to kick two 40+ yard frees.
Did not delegate, a true leader when needed.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: skeog on July 17, 2021, 05:57:33 PM
Geezer most overated manager with 7 years of failure.Some bottle from Monaghan to dig it out.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 05:59:35 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

"Buy"? The Armagh lads can't tackle properly. Biggest muckers out of the championship a tear will not be shed.

McManus is unreal, one free maybe questionable, he still had to kick two 40+ yard frees.
Did not delegate, a true leader when needed.

Armagh deserve a lot of credit for never giving up.
Two counties with great loyal supporters
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 06:00:22 PM
Cuteness of mcmanus to buy 2 frees ar the end and of course the skill to convert them was the difference in the end.Another year, mcgeeney fails to deliver.

Stupid by Armagh to give him the frees. Very poor tackling.

They coughed up a cheap ball attacking up the middle as well which led to the winning free.
Awful pass by Campbell
It changed the momentum
Just madness
100% correct, that pass was an abdication of responsibility for an experienced player like him. It was ultimately the difference in the end.
Collectively Armagh ran out of steam after their efforts and made mistake after mistake, meanwhile  Monaghan just regained their composure.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 17, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Jaysus I'm near shaking after that, what a game. Great advertisment for Ulster football. Was full sure we had thrown another big lead after that second Armagh goal - but credit to the lads, they dug deep when it mattered and got the win. Can't have been easy after such a physically and emotionally draining day.

Alot of lads you could credit, but fair play to Conor for the bottle he showed in nailing two big pressure frees at the end. From being doubtful of playing any part, to playing every minute in that heat.

Hard luck to Armagh, obviously the early goals killed them. They're a young side and will be back stronger.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 17, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
First goal came because we couldnít pick the ball up properly. Gave away the second one also. Great comeback and disappointing to lose in the end. Thought one of the trees at the end was soft but replay proved otherwise
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 17, 2021, 06:06:17 PM
Credit to Banty in whatever way he handled the circumstances and managed to send out the team with a  championship positive mind set.

Fair play to him. And all the players. Best of luck in the final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 06:08:11 PM
Jaysus I'm near shaking after that, what a game. Great advertisment for Ulster football. Was full sure we had thrown another big lead after that second Armagh goal - but credit to the lads, they dug deep when it mattered and got the win. Can't have been easy after such a physically and emotionally draining day.

Alot of lads you could credit, but fair play to Conor for the bottle he showed in nailing two big pressure frees at the end. From being doubtful of playing any part, to playing every minute in that heat.

Hard luck to Armagh, obviously the early goals killed them. They're a young side and will be back stronger.
Only near shaking!!  after the second goal my pulse rate went to 115 and BP to 202 , but in the end  deja vu was foiled again.
I think a viewing of  BBCNI's deferred coverage is on the cards.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 17, 2021, 06:08:47 PM
How refreshing to see people in the stands enjoying a game of football.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 17, 2021, 06:15:02 PM
Jaysus I'm near shaking after that, what a game. Great advertisment for Ulster football. Was full sure we had thrown another big lead after that second Armagh goal - but credit to the lads, they dug deep when it mattered and got the win. Can't have been easy after such a physically and emotionally draining day.

Alot of lads you could credit, but fair play to Conor for the bottle he showed in nailing two big pressure frees at the end. From being doubtful of playing any part, to playing every minute in that heat.

Hard luck to Armagh, obviously the early goals killed them. They're a young side and will be back stronger.
Only near shaking!!  after the second goal my pulse rate went to 115 and BP to 202 , but in the end  deja vu was foiled again.
I think a viewing of  BBCNI's deferred coverage is on the cards.

Ha yeah I'm just trying to play it cool! That second half was a proper rollercoaster.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: sid waddell on July 17, 2021, 06:15:56 PM
What an outstanding game of football

Armagh had Monaghan right where they wanted them but like Kerry in 2019 against Dublin they saw the line and tied up when they needed to push on, another score would surely have done it for them, why the sub Kelly didn't shoot for his own score instead of recycling possession I don't know

Amazing character from Monaghan however, they dug deep into their reserves of experience and got the little bit of luck to enable them to eke it out

There is nothing wrong with the game - competition is what makes it - and any attempts to make the championship tiered are addressing the symptom, not the cause of the problem with the championship, and permanently enshrining lack of competition



Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 17, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
How refreshing to see people in the stands enjoying a game of football.

We saw far too much of them for my liking, what the feck was the deal with constantly cutting to the crowd we missed a couple of scores because of it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: befair on July 17, 2021, 06:19:17 PM
Armagh going for a point from a placed ball 60 yds out while the game was in the melting pt was a serious mistake. Management should have called the shots and insist the ball be recycled
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 17, 2021, 06:21:31 PM
Lovely words from Banty there.

Indeed, as a fellow Monaghan man who'll readily admit to being only too happy to criticize him I thought he was brilliant there
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armamike on July 17, 2021, 06:36:00 PM
Bollix. Blew that one. Very disappointing and frustrating. Seasoned players making very bad decisions cost us a place  in the final for first time in 13 years. Some great work to get back in the game after a comical start.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 17, 2021, 06:36:44 PM
Great excitement for the neutral, great comeback by Armagh, great finish by Monaghan.
Totally mad scoreline!
Hope all that packed terrace crowd were vaccinated....
1,402 cases in the 6 today, 1377 in the 26.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Nanderson on July 17, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
Great excitement for the neutral, great comeback by Armagh, great finish by Monaghan.
Totally mad scoreline!
Hope all that packed terrace crowd were vaccinated....
1,402 cases in the 6 today, 1377 in the 26.
Dont worry must of those cases are probably prods from the 12th
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 17, 2021, 06:43:49 PM
As a matter if interest what was the attendance in Newry?
4,000 in Thurles and a small looking gathering in Nowlan.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on July 17, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
As a matter if interest what was the attendance in Newry?
4,000 in Thurles and a small looking gathering in Nowlan.
heard somewhere it was 2400, though looked more..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 17, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
Heartbreaking loss for Armagh, really those goals conceded 1st half proved to be the killer. 2-21(27) must be one of the biggest scores for Armagh in a championship loss?

Hardly heartbreaking when you ship 4 goals!  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 17, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
Just home from the game, where to start ...

The heat today was suppressing, bad enough standing watching the game, full credit to both sides for the game they delivered in those conditions.

From an Armagh perspective, if you concede 4 goals in the first half of a game, its difficult to see you winning ... but win is what Armagh should have done in the end.  2-21 some scoring, and irrespective of the 4 goals, the game was there for Armagh when 2 pts up and just had to close it out.  Some poor decision making cost us ... recycling the ball when a score was there for the taking, taking a placed ball free kick from the sideline 60 yards out when it should have been recycled to a better position ... Soupy's fist pass late on that the Monaghan defender just got his finger tips to, would rather have seen Stefan bring it on in himself and take the man on.

As for the Armagh sideline, Forker made some difference when he came on, but it shouldn't have taken 4 goals for that to happen ... if he was fit to come on and last the game, then he should have been on sooner.

Fair play Monaghan, don't begrudge them that win.  I know Banty and have a lot of time for the man, so fair play and hope they give either Tyrone or Donegal a good rattle in the Ulster Final.

As for Armagh ... massive strides made, it will come right and that team are definitely young enough to come back better.

P.S. I was on the town terrace opposite the main stand today, would love to know how many were on it, didn't see much opportunity for social distancing where I was standing.  Whereas the main stand was very scarcely populated.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 17, 2021, 08:07:41 PM
Some effort from Beggan, what's the kicking distance from the sideline on the 45?

60 metres
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 17, 2021, 08:24:54 PM
Bollix. Blew that one. Very disappointing and frustrating. Seasoned players making very bad decisions cost us a place  in the final for first time in 13 years. Some great work to get back in the game after a comical start.
Have to agree with you. Clearly learned nothing from the Donegal league match. Itís all about keeping possession when youíre ahead at the end of a tight match. Should have won it but I dread to think what Tyrone or Donegal would have done to that defence.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Eire90 on July 17, 2021, 08:33:39 PM
is ulster in danger of turning into a two team monopoly
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2021, 08:39:51 PM
is ulster in danger of turning into a two team monopoly

Cavan are the reigning champions.

Derry are on the way back. Armagh, despite today's issues, are clearly developing a competitive squad and team.

Michael Murphy is 32 later this year, Neil McGee several years older still. Donegal are not Dublin, with an endless supply of top-class footballers coming through.

Conor McManus must be getting up there too. How do Monaghan replace a outrageously talented, clutch player like him?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2021, 09:09:26 PM
Good game but you need bring some defence instead of all out attack, reality is if either team turned up to play Dublin or Kerry with that style of play they be eat alive. The standard of defenders are def not the same as yesteryear. Ryan O'Neill best player on the pitch
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2021, 09:11:13 PM
Some effort from Beggan, what's the kicking distance from the sideline on the 45?

60 metres
Thanks,  60m with a bit of an angle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Sportacus on July 17, 2021, 09:28:03 PM
Just watched the deferred coverage on BBC.  Marty Clarke is an excellent co-commentator- picks out the small things really well, wee bits of skill etc.  And very respectful overall  to the tragedy which occurred.  Well done.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bannside on July 17, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Very professionally and sensitively handled by Mark Sidebottom. Banty spoke well too. Some game under the conditions....

Rest in peace Brendan Og Duffy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: the goal was on on July 17, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Weíll be listening to Mc geeney in 10 years time still talking about Ď we just lack the bit of experience and cuteness!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: naka on July 17, 2021, 10:14:08 PM
Weíll be listening to Mc geeney in 10 years time still talking about Ď we just lack the bit of experience and cuteness!
The game was lost on the pitch in the second half not on the sideline
For once I wouldnít criticise Mc geeney because every switch worked
Poor decision making by senior players cost the game
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 17, 2021, 10:15:22 PM
is ulster in danger of turning into a two team monopoly

Doubt many people who know Ulster football would share that opinion.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 17, 2021, 11:16:43 PM
If Armagh ended up winning the lottery they'd probably flush the ticket down the bog by accident...  :D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2021, 11:26:47 PM
Great to see Armagh bate all the same.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 17, 2021, 11:34:10 PM
That was one of the best Ulster championship matches in recent years. Armagh have been badly lacking a defensive leader for some time and it was this deficiency that cost them the match in the first half. They were over powered and over run in their half back line and despite a rousing second half performance when they played without fear for 20 minutes, it wasnít enough to salvage a win. All of the substitutes made an impact but when the game was back in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go, fear took over again as they tried to run down the clock.

It was a cracking game that had everything and although from an Armagh perspective it was gutting to leave it behind, I donít think anyone would begrudge Monaghan a win on what was a harrowing day for gaels across the county.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2021, 11:45:56 PM
The weird thing is that McGeeney would know better than anyone, as a player, how to protect the FB line.

I thought Armagh were the better side from the first minute to the last but there was something about Monaghan today that said they weren't losing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 17, 2021, 11:58:38 PM
The weird thing is that McGeeney would know better than anyone, as a player, how to protect the FB line.

I thought Armagh were the better side from the first minute to the last but there was something about Monaghan today that said they weren't losing.

Itís no secret that Armaghís major weakness is the lack of good man marking defenders. Morgan and McKay were exposed badly in that first half but they were largely hung out to dry by the lack of protection in front of them. I think McGeeney has overall done a good job with this group of players but if they arenít going to play with a sweeper then they badly need a defensive sitting centre back to shore up the middle. It was the goals that ultimately won Monaghan the match today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 18, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
If Mickey Harte managed Armagh he would have them in an AI within 3 years
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ONeill on July 18, 2021, 12:08:42 AM
I think most counties are lamenting man-marking defenders. We saw that in Killarney too.

Interesting to see what McGeeeney learns from this.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on July 18, 2021, 12:14:28 AM
Great to see Armagh bate all the same.

I have to agree.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Thastheball on July 18, 2021, 12:32:48 AM
Absolutely great game. The lost of possession in those final two/three minutes was criminal. Mc Manus and pressure go in one hand. Is Mc Geeney the longest serving inter county manager who has feck all. Seriously?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 18, 2021, 12:41:56 AM
Great to see Armagh bate all the same.
Do they not get bate all the time?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 18, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Itís a pity Brendan Donaghy wasnít playing today heíd have definitely tightened up that defence.

Rian OíNeill is probably the best player in Ulster and top 5 in Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 18, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
If Mickey Harte managed Armagh he would have them in an AI within 3 years

Eh I don't think so.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 18, 2021, 09:14:47 AM
Better than Michael Murphy? No way. Conor McManus either.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 18, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
Itís hard to know how to summarise that game. Was unfortunately on the road for the first half and listened to it on the radio. Conleth Gilligan is a pleasure to listen to, very insightful, as I said to herself talks the game the way he played it, sees the patterns and the flow. We definitely didnít deserve to be behind as far as we were but the goals were very poor. Naive to say the least. The lose of Blaine Hughes didnít help but the keeper wasnít at fault for Darren Hughes running untracked through for instance. Maybe the change of keeper so late in the day unsettled the defence as a whole which is completely understandable but some of the basic defending just simply wasnít there and that has been an Achilles heal for years and does not seem to be any closer to be rectified.

As a consequence of the early goals we were always chasing the game. The thing is though because of how open both teams were I always felt there was a chance. I said to herself, itís what you do in the last 10 and not the first 10 minutes that make the difference and I always felt there would be the chances. The early part of the second half was key and by getting a number of scores on the board kept the belief there. I always felt if we got within 3-4 scores of Monaghan then a goal chance would present itself as Monaghan would get nervous and we would get braver. It happened and we took full advantage though the brilliance and bravery of Rian and young Turbitt for the first goal were outstanding. The second goal was all about hard work and belief. There was a real hustle to win the sideline and then really quick thinking from the kick and coolness by young Kelly.

The thing is we just couldnít finish the job and that is because of decision making on the field and on the sideline. Shot selection, poor passing decisions and bad tackling, along with Rian obviously being completely fecked and carrying injuries meant Monaghan got the chance to get the scores they needed. We also stepped off them and encouraged them to go for it when we really should have been stepping up on the in the last few minutes and defending in their defensive areas rather than ours. Take cards, slow the game, be Ďcuteí. We just didnít have that and that should have been driven home from the sideline. Also we needed fresh legs in as the likes of Soupy and Hall had run themselves to a standstill. I also think Grugan seemed subdued. Extra legs in the last 3-4 minutes breaks up the flow of the game and also freshens it up. This is easy to say in hindsight and from the safety of the couch but the thing is the management are there to see this and make these calls. The good managers see it and do it, it didnít happen and thatís where we fail I feel.

Cannot doubt the commitment, drive, and effort. The players died with their boots on and yesterday will be mentally devastating. The thing is what from here? I will make this clear I do not believe we have the squad to win and AI as it presently stands. Too many players just not quite up to that elite level. Physically we are behind a lot of teams, we do not have big men, well defensively anyway. They are good players but not physically dominating and that tells. Therefore we need a system that we hone, perfect and stick to. It may not always be pretty and we may not always score what we scored yesterday but we certainly cannot concede what we did yesterday. We were actually far more defensive against Antrim than we were yesterday I felt. Yesterday was a game for a line across the 45 and score on the break, hitting the likes of Murnin, Rian etc particularly in that heat. We are repeatedly being caught out defensively and after 7 years that hasnít changed. 7 years is a long time and yesterday was the closest we have gotten to an Ulster final and we are still not there. I know people will be saying that the management deserve another chance but this was their Ďanother chanceí. I think now is the natural time for a change. Geezers Ďcontractí is up. There is a summer of club football for players to clear their heads of yesterday and also to make the right call on the new management. I think he has taken them as far as he can, similar to the 2 Brianís before, and a new management who know how to win as managers, either at club or county level, needs to come in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 18, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
Marty Clarke also picked up that Armagh when they had the big comeback and were up with 10 minutes left were unsure of what to do -evidenced by Kelly and I think McQuillan refusing shots and recycling late on. Also the Rian O'Neill free from near 70 yards would never have been taken on had they been behind.

At the other end McManus had the mental ability and the skill to knock over two great frees, also won and scored a free just before that by taking on his man. You could see him telling Kieran Hughes at one point to keep calm and not kick away possession.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
Tyrone and Donegal have some job following that game yesterday. Hats off to both Armagh and Monaghan for an epic game in that heat! RIP young Brendan, horrendous tragedy for Monaghan GAA and his family.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: larryin89 on July 18, 2021, 11:47:19 AM
Rian o neill is a joy to watch , one of the best footballers I've seen in a while . People quick to say hes not in Murphy, mcmanus category are not been fair minded or open minded . If someone who never seen any of McManus or o neill play till yesterday they'd say rian o neill is a better footballer .  McManus was cute as to get that free though reminded me of his namesake but a tony in a ros jersey , great men to fraud a free out of nothing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: LeoMc on July 18, 2021, 11:54:17 AM
As a matter if interest what was the attendance in Newry?
4,000 in Thurles and a small looking gathering in Nowlan.
heard somewhere it was 2400, though looked more..
Would they let u16s into the terrace if accompanied by an adult?
I have a ticket for Brewster park and would like to bring the 10yo.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Itchy on July 18, 2021, 11:59:53 AM
Interested in the Armagh opinion on McGeeney. Yes you can say that was a great game and a very narrow defeat yesterday. But do ye not ask yourselves about this as it was the same in 2019 against Cavan. Ye look like a team that buckles when the pressure comes on and your defensive frailties have not been addressed which is really what is undermining your ability to win Ulster. There is no doubt Armagh have forwards better than the majority of counties in Ireland. The thing is, ye might be waiting a while to get a better chance to get to an Ulster final. I think from the outside looking in ye have been incredibly patient with McGeeney, I dont think he would have lasted this long in any other top 10 county.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on July 18, 2021, 12:03:14 PM
Agree with above. He has been in charge for 7 years and has not reached an Ulster Final never mind win one
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: the goal was on on July 18, 2021, 12:08:50 PM
A top manager would have sorted the defence, itís been staring them in the face for years. If individual players arenít good enough then u need some sort of protection for them. Not leaving them exposed. Totally negligent and a dream scenario for other teams. Is Mc geeney a teacher outside of football?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 18, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
Yes you'd expect a bit more after 7 years. Division 1 was secured for another year, which would be a good starting point for a new manager if McGeeney stepped down.
McGeeney was part of the backroom team the year before he became manager, so 8 years with the group.

Armagh have really good forwards ,and a good midfield, but defence is the downfall.

Rip to Brendan Duffy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
Rian o neill is a joy to watch , one of the best footballers I've seen in a while . People quick to say hes not in Murphy, mcmanus category are not been fair minded or open minded . If someone who never seen any of McManus or o neill play till yesterday they'd say rian o neill is a better footballer .  McManus was cute as to get that free though reminded me of his namesake but a tony in a ros jersey , great men to fraud a free out of nothing.

Not really fair to compare them on one game though is it, nevermind a game that McManus was a doubt to even make. I'm surprised he lasted the full game in those conditions, but I'm sure glad he did to knock over those last couple frees. Whether they were soft or not, they weren't easy frees and he showed serious bottle to nail both in those circumstances.

But yeah, Rian O'Neill was excellent yesterday, and he'll be among the best forwards around for years to come. I'm not sure who got MOTM but he'd have deserved it. McManus and Murphy have been around at the top level for years but they won't have too many of those years left, while Rian has it all in front of him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Solo_run on July 18, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
As much as I liked McGeeney as a player, as a manager he hasn't made the cut. He has been a county manager since 2007 with Kildare and Armagh but never won anything meaningful with either team. He has built a fairly decent attack based team but it has come at a cost to our defence and he has ignored this problem for quite a while. In seven years, how we still do not have a defence in beyond any sort of comprehension. Time for new management that can build on what McGeeney has done so far.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2021, 01:00:41 PM
Rian o neill is a joy to watch , one of the best footballers I've seen in a while . People quick to say hes not in Murphy, mcmanus category are not been fair minded or open minded . If someone who never seen any of McManus or o neill play till yesterday they'd say rian o neill is a better footballer .  McManus was cute as to get that free though reminded me of his namesake but a tony in a ros jersey , great men to fraud a free out of nothing.
McManus getting the 2 frees was the easy part, hitting them over the bar from a long range was the evidence of real class and leadership under intense pressure. Generally he's not that accurate over 45m out from goal, the easy decision would have been for him to call up Beggan, but he can be hit or miss.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
Donegal to win but tragedy strikes with Murphy out for 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Eire90 on July 18, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
whats the record temperature a championship match as been played in
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
whats the record temperature a championship match as been played in

Not sure but Tyrone v Derry in 1995 was very very hot.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on July 18, 2021, 01:52:00 PM
That looked a deliberate trip on Neil McGee
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 18, 2021, 01:53:19 PM
Should have been a black card tbf
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 18, 2021, 01:53:33 PM
That looked a deliberate trip on Neil McGee

thats what I thought
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 01:55:22 PM
Thereíd be some crying from certain Tyrone boys if it was the other way around.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
Awful effort on goal by McCurry there, he should have been burying that
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
Thereíd be some crying from certain Tyrone boys if it was the other way around.

Thatís a disguised cry there J70!!  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 02:05:57 PM
Thereíd be some crying from certain Tyrone boys if it was the other way around.

Thatís a disguised cry there J70!!  ;)

Nah.

Iím fairly philosophical about referees. They get one look in real time. Theyíve a tough job.

Iím far more annoyed by eejits who think every referee has it in for their team.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 02:15:35 PM
Have to agree. A very McGee-like tackle
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 18, 2021, 02:18:54 PM
Thatís never a penalty ffs. There were men covering.
Justice done with the miss.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 02:23:30 PM
Jesus Christ some bad few minutes for Murphy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 18, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
Thatís never a penalty ffs. There were men covering.
Justice done with the miss.

And then he doesn't give an obvious free in a few minutes later
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 18, 2021, 02:26:17 PM
McKernan waving for a card >:(
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: laceer on July 18, 2021, 02:27:32 PM
Dangerous kick from Murphy there. Have a lot of respect for him but he had to go.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 18, 2021, 02:28:17 PM
How annoying is Ger Canning
He is over commentating
Please shut up
Not to mention his usual
Big this
Booming this
Huge this
Oh dear
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on July 18, 2021, 02:29:38 PM
Dangerous kick from Murphy there. Have a lot of respect for him but he had to go.

agree. But a second yellow, not a black
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 02:37:47 PM
Dangerous kick from Murphy there. Have a lot of respect for him but he had to go.

agree. But a second yellow, not a black

End result is the same. Down to 14, no Murphy for rest of the game.

Donegal are up against it. They canít get McBrearty into it, little from Brennan either. We are completely reliant on long range shooting, whereas Tyrone are able to work it in for easier scores.

If we pull this off, it will be our most impressive win in years.

Right now Iíd say Tyrone by six. It will open up as the game goes and theyíll get in for a goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
McQuillan has been poor. It wasn't a penalty, and he seemed to be overly harsh on Donegal following that in an attempt to even it up. Murphy going off on those 2 challenges is very unlucky as I don't think there was malice in either, but by the letter of the law it's fair enough.

Have to imagine Tyrone will go on and win now. I think Donegal are generally the better footballing side and have better scorers, but it's going to be awful tough now with a man down in that heat for a full half. And Murphy no less.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: joemamas on July 18, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
McKernan waving for a card >:(

Saw that at half time analysis.
Hate that crap.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on July 18, 2021, 02:46:07 PM
How annoying is Ger Canning
He is over commentating
Please shut up
Not to mention his usual
Big this
Booming this
Huge this
Oh dear

Why suffer? Switch to Bbc2
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2021, 02:47:23 PM
Hard to see anything but a Tyrone win now. Donegal will thinking what if that penalty was scored to put them ahead 1-7 to 0-5
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 02:48:35 PM
Listening to this on the radio, too nice a day to sit in doors. All the commentators said it was a clumsy Ďkickí more accidental than deliberate, Iíll look at it later. Murphy not fully fit so they are those type tackles from unfit lads pre season.

If Tyrone continue to play with all their players in defence itís still a 50/50 game.

Tyrones bench will win it though, I expect Donegal to draw fouls and look to even up the numbers

Oh and weíll done Derry, all Ireland minor winners
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on July 18, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
Monaghan could find themselves in an all Ireland semi final agaist the Munster champions.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: laceer on July 18, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
Tyrone need to get McShane on and push up on Donegal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 02:55:00 PM
Patton rattled here, Donegal need to settle
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 18, 2021, 02:57:15 PM
Game on again
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 02:57:23 PM
Badly needed that, game was running away from Donegal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2021, 03:00:38 PM
Good response by Tyrone to that Donegal goal. The Donegal defending is very loose.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
Good response by Tyrone to that Donegal goal. The Donegal defending is very loose.

Yes. Tyrone getting scores far too easily up that left side.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Ref getting caught by a lot of arm holding in the tackle. Tyrone really need to start converting those chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
Water break 54 minutes played. Tyrone 0-16 Donegal 1-12
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Good response by Tyrone to that Donegal goal. The Donegal defending is very loose.

Yes. Tyrone getting scores far too easily up that left side.

Mattir donnelly could score all day long from that side if tyrone keep getting ball to him
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:13:11 PM
Weíre hanging in there somehow.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on July 18, 2021, 03:15:09 PM
Weíre hanging in there somehow.
Maybe Throne are no that good.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: screenexile on July 18, 2021, 03:18:17 PM
Was that not a textbook black card for Harte??
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 18, 2021, 03:18:20 PM
That's probably true. Always find refs gice soft frees to the team with a man down. Text book shoulder by burns but a free is given
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 18, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
Was that not a textbook black card for Harte??

Would have thought that st was a dive. What's the craic with th black card. Sudden was pulled down in the first half, text book black card and no card given.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 18, 2021, 03:22:09 PM
Donegal just about hanging in this game, Tyrone should have them dead and buried.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 03:24:40 PM
Donegal doing very well to be right in the game with only a few minutes left, Tyrone really should have pushed on at the start of the half and killed the game off.

Level men for the remaining minutes which should give Donegal a bit of a boost.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 03:24:52 PM
McQuillan hasn't a clue. Hopeless
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
14 v 14 Donegal 1-14 Tyrone 0-19 67 minutes played
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: straightred on July 18, 2021, 03:29:24 PM
McCann still faking the injuries
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 03:29:45 PM
McCann gets clipped on the side of the arm and he goes down clutching his stomach  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 18, 2021, 03:31:14 PM
McCann gets clipped on the side of the arm and he goes down clutching his stomach  ::)

If he wasn't hurt he was stupid as he had a clear run in front of him
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 18, 2021, 03:32:54 PM
Embarrassing stuff by McCann.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 03:33:27 PM
First game lads?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 03:34:25 PM
Over a decade on, Banty gets his chance at revenge for the '07 and '10 Ulster finals
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2021, 03:34:51 PM
FT Tyrone 0-23 Donegal 1-14.  First Monaghan v Tyrone Ulster final since 2010.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 18, 2021, 03:37:51 PM
Tyrone deserved winners, much the better team in the second half. McCurry, Burns, Sludden and their subs bench were very strong. Donegal wilted after the Murphy sending off, they have a lot of nice footballers but lack a bit of steel. Their unwillingness to kick pass the ball is infuriating, everything is run through the hands and there is no plan B. McBrearty disappeared for the second game running.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 03:40:01 PM
FuvkÖ stay classy >:(
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 18, 2021, 03:41:46 PM
Impressive win. Fully expect Tyrone to go on and win Ulster now.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 03:41:58 PM
Mcgeary  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 18, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:45:29 PM
We were barely hanging on through that second half, and Langanís missed free, which would have brought it back to a point with a couple of minutes to go, ended it. Not trying to be harsh on Langan - it was a tough enough free. Tyrone deserved it on the day anyway.

Ban had a great second half, really driving at Tyrone, winning frees and setting up the goal, but there were too many others who struggled with the packed defense.

Canít miss a penalty and get your best player, half-fit or not, sent off and expect to win a game like that.

Hard to see Neil McGee coming back again. Unfortunate for him if it has to end like that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 18, 2021, 03:45:45 PM
Spillane and Cavanagh constantly jibing at each other petty stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:46:02 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
McGeary being interviewed on RTE now, I'm guessing he'll choose his words more carefully  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:47:19 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: laceer on July 18, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
Tyrone made hard work of that but finished strong. The Langan missed free to make it a 1 point game after McGeary black card was a massive moment. Donegal didn't lie down. Good to get a win over Donegal as they've had our number this past while.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Dropped an F bomb on BBC, he apologised. They cut to studio. It was arse clenching cringe.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 03:48:34 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
McGeary being interviewed on RTE now, I'm guessing he'll choose his words more carefully  ;D

Yeah was thinking the same! Jesus followed by f**k!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 03:49:39 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.
Not offended at all! Embarrassed for him, as he was himself
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 03:50:31 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.
Not offended at all! Embarrassed for him, as he was himself
Really? Iíd say heís forgotten already.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:51:14 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.

Thatís all?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 18, 2021, 03:51:25 PM
In one word Kieran........ah jesus f*ck aye

😂😂
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.

Thatís all?

Mickeys saying a rosary for him. Be grand.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 03:56:04 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Said Fu*k by accident. MR very offended.

Thatís all?

Mickeys saying a rosary for him. Be grand.

 ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 18, 2021, 03:59:43 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.

We feel your pain from yesterday added to 15 years of hammerings by Tyrone.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2021, 04:00:03 PM
In stark contrast to Coldrick's relaxed performance yesterday, there was too much of  McQuillan influence in that game.

Impressive fitness levels from Tyrone with keeping numbers in defense while other players were galloping forward and backwards with haste  as the game dictated, though failure to score a goal from the many chances must be deeply worrying.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 18, 2021, 04:00:50 PM
We were barely hanging on through that second half, and Langanís missed free, which would have brought it back to a point with a couple of minutes to go, ended it. Not trying to be harsh on Langan - it was a tough enough free. Tyrone deserved it on the day anyway.

Ban had a great second half, really driving at Tyrone, winning frees and setting up the goal, but there were too many others who struggled with the packed defense.

Canít miss a penalty and get your best player, half-fit or not, sent off and expect to win a game like that.

Hard to see Neil McGee coming back again. Unfortunate for him if it has to end like that.

Ah, he's done alright -  a Celtic cross, a few Anglo Celts, a National League and a few All stars. Few inter-county players ever get to finish on a high.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 18, 2021, 04:02:25 PM
Murphy the key man in Tyrone's victory with the game turning on his missed penalty and subsequent dismissal. I thought Tyrone were managing it well thereafter but they lost their way a bit in the second half and missed opportunities to finish off Donegal much earlier. I'm not convinced the subs helped at that stage. But fair play, they did step up decisively at the end when they might well have wobbled with McGeary going off and the game still in the balance.

Very much still a work in progress which is natural given it's a new management team who have had limited opportunity to make their mark in these strange times. In those circumstances making an Ulster final is a good effort, albeit fortune was on their side today. I'd make Monaghan favourites but do believe that Tyrone side is still capable of more.

As an aside, what was Spillane on about at half time. Totally misunderstood Cavanagh's point about Harte and thought Sean was praising him so rattled off the old stuff about Mickey's poor record in big games since 2008, something which was totally irrelevant to the point and which Cavanagh almost certainly agrees with as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 04:03:44 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.

We feel your pain from yesterday added to 15 years of hammerings by Tyrone.  ;D

Iím not from Armagh gobshite.

Is it not time for you to go back to being ďunder the barĒ?

Not sure why you changed. Itís not as if your posts under your changed ID are any more intelligent or amusing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 18, 2021, 04:08:35 PM
Murphy the key man in Tyrone's victory with the game turning on his missed penalty and subsequent dismissal.

He certainly was. That latest championship exit will probably spell the end as Declan Bonner as Donegal manager.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 04:09:50 PM
Murphy the key man in Tyrone's victory with the game turning on his missed penalty and subsequent dismissal. I thought Tyrone were managing it well thereafter but they lost their way a bit in the second half and missed opportunities to finish off Donegal much earlier. I'm not convinced the subs helped at that stage. But fair play, they did step up decisively at the end when they might well have wobbled with McGeary going off and the game still in the balance.

Very much still a work in progress which is natural given it's a new management team who have had limited opportunity to make their mark in these strange times. In those circumstances making an Ulster final is a good effort, albeit fortune was on their side today. I'd make Monaghan favourites but do believe that Tyrone side is still capable of more.

As an aside, what was Spillane on about at half time. Totally misunderstood Cavanagh's point about Harte and thought Sean was praising him so rattled off the old stuff about Mickey's poor record in big games since 2008, something which was totally irrelevant to the point and which Cavanagh almost certainly agrees with as well.

Didnít matter in the end, but Tyrone hit an awful pair of wides midway through the second half when McKenna tried a worldie right after he came on instead of working it to a better placed player, and then you turned over a poor lockout from that shot, only to hit another bad wide. Looked like the break WE needed for a bit.

Both Derry AND Tyrone had a lot of success up their left wings, working easy scores, often along the end line. Bonner and Rochford, if they stay on, will have plenty of work to do for next year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 04:10:49 PM
Murphy the key man in Tyrone's victory with the game turning on his missed penalty and subsequent dismissal.

He certainly was. That latest championship exit will probably spell the end as Declan Bonner as Donegal manager.

Maybe time for Jim to come back? :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armamike on July 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.

We feel your pain from yesterday added to 15 years of hammerings by Tyrone.  ;D

Iím not from Armagh gobshite.

Is it not time for you to go back to being ďunder the barĒ?

Not sure why you changed. Itís not as if your posts under your changed ID are any more intelligent or amusing.

+1 What's with Manu Tyrone supporting posters. Is it the manu or the Tyrone pond life gene 🤣
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 18, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.

We feel your pain from yesterday added to 15 years of hammerings by Tyrone.  ;D

Iím not from Armagh gobshite.

Is it not time for you to go back to being ďunder the barĒ?

Not sure why you changed. Itís not as if your posts under your changed ID are any more intelligent or amusing.
Where you from then ye blinkered 'gobshite' ? If not Armagh must be a delusional Donegal supporter. Mcquillan gave ye everything he could today and ye still couldn't win ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 04:32:48 PM
Itís funny how people see games, Enda McGinley was saying Tyrone in the first half got a lot of handy ones from the ref..
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StephenC on July 18, 2021, 04:50:05 PM
Congrats to Tyrone and best of luck in the final. Deserved winners on the day.

It was interesting seeing the contrast between the teams - Tyrone have a team full of backs who they hope will score enough; Donegal have a team full of forwards who they hope can defend. Again today we showed that the balance in our team is wrong - how many times had we loads of men back but barely a hand laid on a Tyrone man.

Anyway, now my focus switches to an U13 game on Thursday.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 18, 2021, 04:52:57 PM
Murphy the key man in Tyrone's victory with the game turning on his missed penalty and subsequent dismissal.

He certainly was. That latest championship exit will probably spell the end as Declan Bonner as Donegal manager.

Maybe time for Jim to come back? :)

If he's free to come back then why not.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 18, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
Score line flattered Donegal. Ref kept them in it for the large part. Tyrone bate 16 men today. Bigger tests lie ahead.

What a pile of shite.

Wha?Ö Downings?Ö. Ahhy I know. Overrated kip. Eh?Ö Am I right?Ö Eh?Ö
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2021, 05:22:10 PM
With 5mins of normal time remaining there was about a point in it, in this day and age once a man see the line, the 14man team hardly ever wins
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2021, 05:37:57 PM
On a day like today an extra man would be even more telling with that heat that said, Tyrone had 20 mins down to 14 during the game as well. I donít think Tyrone will be scaring Dublin or Kerry with that performance. Monaghan slight favourites for Ulster. But still think if Tyrone could get mcCurry, Donnelly, McShane together in attack and McKenna in Midfield/ half back then thereís a lot of room for improvement.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 18, 2021, 05:40:14 PM
Itís funny how people see games, Enda McGinley was saying Tyrone in the first half got a lot of handy ones from the ref..

Itís always the same on this board.

Tyrone ones (not all of them) whinging about the ref, no matter how he or the match goes.

Must be great crack altogether when their clubs come up against each other.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 05:46:56 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 06:09:07 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 06:16:35 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 07:00:22 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on July 18, 2021, 07:28:49 PM
Most of the second half saw Donegal get soft frees, definitely got them easier than Tyrone. Tyrone should have had a definite penalty too.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 18, 2021, 07:38:50 PM
I thought the ref was inconsistent at best, borderline favouring Donegal when they went to 14 men.

Tyrone could have won by more. Need to work on taking their goal chances though I was glad they worked them into points or free kicks when the chance had gone.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 07:50:37 PM
I thought the ref was inconsistent at best, borderline favouring Donegal when they went to 14 men.

Tyrone could have won by more. Need to work on taking their goal chances though I was glad they worked them into points or free kicks when the chance had gone.

We've always had a problem converting goal chances. But saying that, both times today the angle wasn't great and the Donegal keeper was excellent.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 07:52:59 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 08:05:48 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.

Iíll take his over yours. But I tell ya what, Iíll watch it later and give you assessment . And your continued abused is noted
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 18, 2021, 08:33:49 PM
I turned it off.

Whatís a bother to McGeary?

Dropped an F bomb on BBC, he apologised. They cut to studio. It was arse clenching cringe.

He apologised. Why not let him answer the question?. Why the need to return to studio?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: An Watcher on July 18, 2021, 08:44:06 PM
The way they cut him off you'd swear he said f#ck the queen or ill kill yous all.  Slip of the tongue, no biggy, seriously
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 18, 2021, 08:54:15 PM
Yeah it was a bit much to cut him off so abruptly and go back to the studio straight away. Let the lad finish his sentence, I doubt he'd have dropped another F bomb! Made a bigger deal of the whole thing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 18, 2021, 09:01:26 PM
Then they left him hanging on screen a second too long which msde it even worse, for all concerned.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 09:03:52 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.

Iíll take his over yours. But I tell ya what, Iíll watch it later and give you assessment . And your continued abused is noted

Stop it. You're killing me.  ;D And what abuse? You're good for it Mr Snowflake, amount of shite you throw out. Pathetic
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 18, 2021, 09:11:40 PM
I think in fairness to bbc the interview was all but over it was the old give me a one word answer before we head back to the studio type thing, yer man chose 4 words instead one happened to be f*ck 😃😃

Then it was back to the studio while we had a grimacing mcgeary left on camera 😃😃
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 09:14:21 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.

Iíll take his over yours. But I tell ya what, Iíll watch it later and give you assessment . And your continued abused is noted

Stop it. You're killing me.  ;D And what abuse? You're good for it Mr Snowflake, amount of shite you throw out. Pathetic

Personal abuse.. twice, again Iíll take McGinleys assessment over yours.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2021, 09:19:56 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.

Iíll take his over yours. But I tell ya what, Iíll watch it later and give you assessment . And your continued abused is noted

Stop it. You're killing me.  ;D And what abuse? You're good for it Mr Snowflake, amount of shite you throw out. Pathetic

Personal abuse.. twice, again Iíll take McGinleys assessment over yours.

So calling someone a f**king eejit for talking shite is personal abuse? Aye, right. And the bilge you post isn't? Get over yourself.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on July 18, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
2 day ban for "red hander" under Personal Abuse rule, second offence.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 09:26:54 PM
It was a crap refereeing performance, for both teams. He's one of worst refs in GAA.

Itís hard to ref when ya have players trying to con ya at every turn

That would be Tyrone players you mean, MR? I'm not basing it on today, he has been consistently bad, often atrocious.

Iím general Iím talking about, I was only listening to todayís game so Iím basing it on what the pundits said, one being a Tyrone man, who said Tyrone had the rub of the green with calls from  the ref

Oh right, you didn't watch game. Discussion over, you f**king eejit.  ;D

Discussion over? f**king eejit? Iíd already explained that a Tyrone ex player said they got handy frees! Which part of that do you not get?

So you're relying on the opinions of others before your own two eyes! Put down the spade, you f**king eejit.

Iíll take his over yours. But I tell ya what, Iíll watch it later and give you assessment . And your continued abused is noted

Stop it. You're killing me.  ;D And what abuse? You're good for it Mr Snowflake, amount of shite you throw out. Pathetic

Personal abuse.. twice, again Iíll take McGinleys assessment over yours.

So calling someone a f**king eejit for talking shite is personal abuse? Aye, right. And the bilge you post isn't? Get over yourself.

You lost it on a comment that an ex player said the ref gave Tyrone handy frees but Iím putting out bilge?

Maybe you didnít read the post correctly.

When you call someone a f**king eejit then thatís personal abuse, you did it twice. But sure carry on
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 18, 2021, 09:32:58 PM
straight in with a 2 day ban. No messin. Its like MR2 has a direct line to the big guy above 😉😃
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 18, 2021, 09:34:58 PM
straight in with a 2 day ban. No messin. Its like MR2 has a direct line to the big guy above 😉😃

In fairness Iíve never reported anyone on this board in all the years Iíve been on it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 18, 2021, 09:38:34 PM
straight in with a 2 day ban. No messin. Its like MR2 has a direct line to the big guy above 😉😃

I was reading the f**king eejits like it was Mrs Doyle / Fr Ted saying them.. Harsh enough ban!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 18, 2021, 10:33:00 PM
No thread for the Armagh Monaghan match, so posting here. 

Disappointed that Armagh lost the game, but felt that the supporters on both sides that were at the game were treated to a fantastic spectacle and superb atmosphere. It was literally thrilling.  The quality of the football (not the defending), some of the fielding (Rian O'Neill in particular) and the scoring.  The comeback and Monaghan's cool heads at the death. 

Reminded me of watching football in the 90's with the crowd heavily involved instead of sitting bored in the stands looking at their phones.  Had the kids with me and delighted that they were there to experience it - even though their team lost.  It's matches like this that makes youngsters fall in love with the games. 

Couldn't begrudge Monaghan the win under the tragic circumstances and hope they go on to beat Tyrone  ;D. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: LeoMc on July 18, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
straight in with a 2 day ban. No messin. Its like MR2 has a direct line to the big guy above 😉😃

In fairness Iíve never reported anyone on this board in all the years Iíve been on it.
You have never needed to MOD5 MR2
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 18, 2021, 11:16:50 PM
straight in with a 2 day ban. No messin. Its like MR2 has a direct line to the big guy above 😉😃

I was reading the f**king eejits like it was Mrs Doyle / Fr Ted saying them.. Harsh enough ban!

Im blamin Covid. Or Brexit. Fuckitt ill blame Rory
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 06:14:08 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 19, 2021, 07:49:48 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 19, 2021, 09:33:56 AM
No thread for the Armagh Monaghan match, so posting here. 

Disappointed that Armagh lost the game, but felt that the supporters on both sides that were at the game were treated to a fantastic spectacle and superb atmosphere. It was literally thrilling.  The quality of the football (not the defending), some of the fielding (Rian O'Neill in particular) and the scoring.  The comeback and Monaghan's cool heads at the death. 

Reminded me of watching football in the 90's with the crowd heavily involved instead of sitting bored in the stands looking at their phones.  Had the kids with me and delighted that they were there to experience it - even though their team lost.  It's matches like this that makes youngsters fall in love with the games. 

Couldn't begrudge Monaghan the win under the tragic circumstances and hope they go on to beat Tyrone  ;D.

Completely gree with this post especially the bit about the level of crowd engagement which you rarely see at matches where the slow cautious possession based build up can often kill an atmosphere. There were plenty of contests for possession and a bit more physical contact than is usual in the modern game where the spectacle often resembles a game of chess. It was the best atmosphere I can remember at a match in a long while.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 09:53:36 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?

Tyrone are now favourites to win Ulster after their display yesterday. Michael Murphy was rattled he couldn't handle the heat in my opinion. Competitive Championship football is a thing of the past for the Glenswilly man
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on July 19, 2021, 10:15:47 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?

Tyrone are now favourites to win Ulster after their display yesterday. Michael Murphy was rattled he couldn't handle the heat in my opinion. Competitive Championship football is a thing of the past for the Glenswilly man

Couldnt handle the heat or clearly wasnt 100% fit?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:19:29 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?

Tyrone are now favourites to win Ulster after their display yesterday. Michael Murphy was rattled he couldn't handle the heat in my opinion. Competitive Championship football is a thing of the past for the Glenswilly man

Couldnt handle the heat or clearly wasnt 100% fit?

The man has put in a serious shift throughout the years but just take a good look at him. Man's past it fitness wise. Still has a wand of a right foot but lacks the physicality he once possessed. Another washed up all-star trying to prolong his stay in inter county football and is succeeding on merit alone.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 19, 2021, 10:27:05 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?

Tyrone are now favourites to win Ulster after their display yesterday. Michael Murphy was rattled he couldn't handle the heat in my opinion. Competitive Championship football is a thing of the past for the Glenswilly man

Couldnt handle the heat or clearly wasnt 100% fit?

The man has put in a serious shift throughout the years but just take a good look at him. Man's past it fitness wise. Still has a wand of a right foot but lacks the physicality he once possessed. Another washed up all-star trying to prolong his stay in inter county football and is succeeding on merit alone.

Given the level of commitment required now, I can't think of too many 'washed up All Stars' who are staying on past their sell by date. If anything there are a lot more players retiring before their sell by dates.

Murphys best days are probably behind him but you can't tell me that he isn't in Donegal's top XV footballers should he opt to play on. He's probably still their most important player even now. A bit like Cluxton with Dublin though, he owes the county nothing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:38:56 AM
After Dublin's lackluster performance yesterday v Meath,, surely Tyrone are favorites among the field?

Based on what?

Tyrone are now favourites to win Ulster after their display yesterday. Michael Murphy was rattled he couldn't handle the heat in my opinion. Competitive Championship football is a thing of the past for the Glenswilly man

Couldnt handle the heat or clearly wasnt 100% fit?

The man has put in a serious shift throughout the years but just take a good look at him. Man's past it fitness wise. Still has a wand of a right foot but lacks the physicality he once possessed. Another washed up all-star trying to prolong his stay in inter county football and is succeeding on merit alone.

Given the level of commitment required now, I can't think of too many 'washed up All Stars' who are staying on past their sell by date. If anything there are a lot more players retiring before their sell by dates.

Murphys best days are probably behind him but you can't tell me that he isn't in Donegal's top XV footballers should he opt to play on. He's probably still their most important player even now. A bit like Cluxton with Dublin though, he owes the county nothing.

Owes Donegal nothing surely but stars such as Murphy and Aido O'Shea were mesmeric on their day but that was long ago. Both Players are 31 and with the increased physicality in todays game these men find themselves at a crossroads were they have to focus on retaining their skill or fitness and it's clear what Murphy has chosen. Still a handy player but Donegal have such good youngsters pushing through if Murphy had any sense he would take a step back to a smaller role to allow the youth to flourish. He should be teaching these young Gaels insider secrets and lessons to last a lifetime. Instead it looks like Murphy will be taking that No.14 jersey to the grave with him.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
If Michael Murphy can be considered done, then some new measuring tools are required
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 19, 2021, 11:30:07 AM
No thread for the Armagh Monaghan match, so posting here. 

Disappointed that Armagh lost the game, but felt that the supporters on both sides that were at the game were treated to a fantastic spectacle and superb atmosphere. It was literally thrilling.  The quality of the football (not the defending), some of the fielding (Rian O'Neill in particular) and the scoring.  The comeback and Monaghan's cool heads at the death. 

Reminded me of watching football in the 90's with the crowd heavily involved instead of sitting bored in the stands looking at their phones.  Had the kids with me and delighted that they were there to experience it - even though their team lost.  It's matches like this that makes youngsters fall in love with the games. 

Couldn't begrudge Monaghan the win under the tragic circumstances and hope they go on to beat Tyrone  ;D.
Totally agreed. Rian is up there with any of the better players in Ireland and is still only what 22? Absolutely gutted to lose it like that at the death, but what a game I doubt there will be better all year. Fair play to both teams for serving that up on a day as hot as Saturday. We are such a frustrating team to watch, we can have patches where we look like a top 3 team and then patches where we look like a Division 3 or 4 team.

Anyway, Division 1 status for another year and a kick of a ball away from an Ulster final. I think McGeeney will definitely get next year but if thereís no Ulster final next year his time is up barring a really good qualifier run. If we could find another  3 or 4 Aidan Forkers and make Brendan Donaghy a few years younger weíd be laughing.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 11:38:57 AM
If Michael Murphy can be considered done, then some new measuring tools are required

Yes.

A wee bit early to be writing his obituaries after a season in which he played one league game at full fitness and ended it getting the line because, due to being half-fit, he missed a pick-up he would normally pull off with his eyes closed.

He'll be 32 for next season. Maybe going forward they'll have to ask him at some point to ease up on the tracking back to save his legs, but things like his shooting, passing ability and his sheer vision and game intelligence should not be affected much.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 19, 2021, 12:01:47 PM
If Michael Murphy can be considered done, then some new measuring tools are required

Yes.

A wee bit early to be writing his obituaries after a season in which he played one league game at full fitness and ended it getting the line because, due to being half-fit, he missed a pick-up he would normally pull off with his eyes closed.

He'll be 32 for next season. Maybe going forward they'll have to ask him at some point to ease up on the tracking back to save his legs, but things like his shooting, passing ability and his sheer vision and game intelligence should not be affected much.
Plenty of ball in that man yet. Itís not as though he ever really relied on his speed so as you say, all his other qualities wonít diminish.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 12:16:07 PM
If Michael Murphy can be considered done, then some new measuring tools are required

Yes.

A wee bit early to be writing his obituaries after a season in which he played one league game at full fitness and ended it getting the line because, due to being half-fit, he missed a pick-up he would normally pull off with his eyes closed.

He'll be 32 for next season. Maybe going forward they'll have to ask him at some point to ease up on the tracking back to save his legs, but things like his shooting, passing ability and his sheer vision and game intelligence should not be affected much.
Plenty of ball in that man yet. Itís not as though he ever really relied on his speed so as you say, all his other qualities wonít diminish.

You men must've been wathcing a different Michael Murphy than me..... I suppose it's a common enough name
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 19, 2021, 12:28:44 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ulster-final-between-monaghan-and-tyrone-expected-to-be-moved-to-croke-park-40667040.html
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
I see Angelo has reappeared  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 19, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
I see Angelo has reappeared  ;D

The 40 posts per hour gives it away.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
I see Angelo has reappeared  ;D

The 40 posts per hour gives it away.

Maybe the name angel, anyways Nadal is a busted flush
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
If Michael Murphy can be considered done, then some new measuring tools are required

Yes.

A wee bit early to be writing his obituaries after a season in which he played one league game at full fitness and ended it getting the line because, due to being half-fit, he missed a pick-up he would normally pull off with his eyes closed.

He'll be 32 for next season. Maybe going forward they'll have to ask him at some point to ease up on the tracking back to save his legs, but things like his shooting, passing ability and his sheer vision and game intelligence should not be affected much.
Plenty of ball in that man yet. Itís not as though he ever really relied on his speed so as you say, all his other qualities wonít diminish.

You men must've been wathcing a different Michael Murphy than me..... I suppose it's a common enough name

I've been watching a barely fit Murphy, unable to dominate matches like he usually does because... he wasn't fit.

Time will tell whether he's in decline at this point. There's plenty of other players on the Donegal team whose places would be open to serious challenge before him. We're not Dublin.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 19, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
It looks like Tyrone have got their way with the Ulster council and a request to play the final in Croke Park has been submitted now by Ulster GAA.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 19, 2021, 01:52:12 PM
Murphy not done, just injured, probably shouldn't been playing Down or Derry games, there's enough in him for a couple of yrs at full forward
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on July 19, 2021, 01:53:41 PM
Maybe Murphy is in decline, time will tell but in the mean time I think thereíd be very few counties who wouldnít have him down as first name on their team sheet if he was available to them. Even half fit, Donegal are a different team without him. When they came within a point of Tyrone yesterday, that sort of scenario is when Murphy usually comes to the fore, heíd have won a free or two like McManus did the day before and like McManus would most definitely have scored them too. Donegal missed one or two vital frees yesterday which took the wind out of their sails a bit. As a Tyrone man, I was delighted to see him leave the field yesterday but as football fan heís been an absolute pleasure to watch over the years. Iíd say talk of his demise may be greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 02:12:43 PM
Got asked a question in a bar one time - who's the better player Sean Cavanagh or Michael Murphy?

Would be a tight enough saying Cavanagh is 38 but I'd still have to say Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 02:48:15 PM
As a Donegal man, I don't think there's another player out there who I'd have swapped Murphy for.

Not too many others from recent years I'd say that for except Karl Lacey and maybe Kevin Cassidy.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2021, 03:21:59 PM
Do Monaghan have much of say on the venue change, home advantage compared to Croke Park would surely suit Tyrone more however money talks as 18,000 won't be allowed in Clones
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2021, 03:27:42 PM
The Ulster council are not facilitating Tyrone by asking to move it to croke park. They already asked about it last week before the final pairings known. Only 2/3,000 allowed in Ulster venue v 18,000 plus in croke park - itís a no brainier.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 19, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
The Ulster council are not facilitating Tyrone by asking to move it to croke park. They already asked about it last week before the final pairings known. Only 2/3,000 allowed in Ulster venue v 18,000 plus in croke park - itís a no brainier.

Perhaps Tyrone will actually manage to win an Ulster final in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 04:47:04 PM
Sean Cavanagh v Michael Murphy

One has 6 ulsters, 5 all-stars, 3 all irelands, 2 national leagues and a coveted footballer of the year.

The other has been using caffeine shampoo since he was in secondary school.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: ck on July 19, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
Maybe Murphy is in decline, time will tell but in the mean time I think thereíd be very few counties who wouldnít have him down as first name on their team sheet if he was available to them. Even half fit, Donegal are a different team without him. When they came within a point of Tyrone yesterday, that sort of scenario is when Murphy usually comes to the fore, heíd have won a free or two like McManus did the day before and like McManus would most definitely have scored them too. Donegal missed one or two vital frees yesterday which took the wind out of their sails a bit. As a Tyrone man, I was delighted to see him leave the field yesterday but as football fan heís been an absolute pleasure to watch over the years. Iíd say talk of his demise may be greatly exaggerated.

Could not agree more with this. Murphy is more influential in games now that he has ever been. Whatever yard of pace he has lost, he's gained in other ways. He has at least one or two more years in him.

Colm O'Rourke got it spot on last night when he said Donegal have dis-improved in recent years. Bonner came in with a whirlwind, new attacking game and a freshness with new young team. They won Ulster after a disaster the year before under Rory Gallagher and were being spoken of in All-Ireland terms. They have regressed year on year since and that has to be a worry for Donegal people? They have a talented squad but seem to be mentally weak as when it comes to the crunch each year, they lose. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on July 19, 2021, 04:52:47 PM
Murphy was clearly injured yesterday.

I was more surprised with McBrearty - he has been largely nullified in the last two games now.

When he has the ball in hand he is very hard to stop - but teams seem to have figured out how to stop him getting the ball
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 19, 2021, 04:57:47 PM
He's not as good after the knee injury is the problem I think. Whether that be pace or not. I think the left foot and the strength are still there but maybe not so much the pace.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 05:52:23 PM
Maybe Murphy is in decline, time will tell but in the mean time I think thereíd be very few counties who wouldnít have him down as first name on their team sheet if he was available to them. Even half fit, Donegal are a different team without him. When they came within a point of Tyrone yesterday, that sort of scenario is when Murphy usually comes to the fore, heíd have won a free or two like McManus did the day before and like McManus would most definitely have scored them too. Donegal missed one or two vital frees yesterday which took the wind out of their sails a bit. As a Tyrone man, I was delighted to see him leave the field yesterday but as football fan heís been an absolute pleasure to watch over the years. Iíd say talk of his demise may be greatly exaggerated.

Could not agree more with this. Murphy is more influential in games now that he has ever been. Whatever yard of pace he has lost, he's gained in other ways. He has at least one or two more years in him.

Colm O'Rourke got it spot on last night when he said Donegal have dis-improved in recent years. Bonner came in with a whirlwind, new attacking game and a freshness with new young team. They won Ulster after a disaster the year before under Rory Gallagher and were being spoken of in All-Ireland terms. They have regressed year on year since and that has to be a worry for Donegal people? They have a talented squad but seem to be mentally weak as when it comes to the crunch each year, they lose.

Its hard to know.

This year's exit was inarguably influenced by Murphy's injury and sending off. Had he scored the penalty and, possibly under the different circumstances, not got the line, Donegal could well be in another Ulster final.

Last year was more damning. There is no question they should have won Ulster, but their heads were clearly all wrong on the day.

The previous two years when they did win Ulster?

2018 was a surprise, to be honest (I wasn't expecting any Ulster title that year), helped in no small way by Monaghan knocking Tyrone out and then getting ambushed themselves by Fermanagh. Tyrone's stronger squad told in the last ten minutes of the Super 8s game. I don't think there was much Bonner could do about that.

2019 was the disappointing one (in addition to last year). Beat Tyrone fairly handily and cruised to an easy Ulster title after that. Shot it out for a very creditable draw with Kerry in Croke Park, but then just couldn't handle the physical power and intensity of Mayo in Castlebar. Murphy gave one of his finest exhibitions in the Donegal shift for 25 minutes in that second half, but got almost no support as he single-handedly took on Mayo. Mayo have had our number since 2013, but you just felt that night certain Donegal players couldn't handle it or weren't prepared for Mayo's intensity.

Whether these big game failures are down to Bonner, or the players as a collective just don't have the belief or mental fortitude, I guess we'll see when the next man comes in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 05:55:00 PM
Murphy was clearly injured yesterday.

I was more surprised with McBrearty - he has been largely nullified in the last two games now.

When he has the ball in hand he is very hard to stop - but teams seem to have figured out how to stop him getting the ball

He's a victim of Donegal's slow build-up to an extent. By the time the ball went anywhere near him, both Tyrone and Derry had players in around him.

Down had numbers back too, but they weren't really doing anything. :)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 19, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
Final confirmed for Croke Park, 4pm on Saturday 31st July.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 19, 2021, 06:10:23 PM
As a Donegal man, I don't think there's another player out there who I'd have swapped Murphy for.

Not too many others from recent years I'd say that for except Karl Lacey and maybe Kevin Cassidy.

Murphy is Angelo's new Cillian O'Connor, a rabbit hole best avoided
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 19, 2021, 06:24:31 PM
Final confirmed for Croke Park, 4pm on Saturday 31st July.

What was the ticket prices for previous Ulster finals? Going by Sundays Connacht final you can expect the price of tickets to be 35Ä with no concession for students, children and OAPs.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 19, 2021, 06:56:44 PM
Final confirmed for Croke Park, 4pm on Saturday 31st July.

What was the ticket prices for previous Ulster finals? Going by Sundays Connacht final you can expect the price of tickets to be 35Ä with no concession for students, children and OAPs.

Ulster previously had games in Croke Park and encouraged everyone to come, but the problem with cut price tickets for a restricted attendance is that you have excluded someone more than willing to pay full whack in order to bring in someone else paying half or nothing. It is like an All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 19, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
Would it sell out? Hard to gauge what demand will be like. People will want to go as its been a long long time, yet covid could make people hesitant. I'll be there anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 19, 2021, 07:25:37 PM
Bonner is a buffer of the highest order. 18 months ago he was refusing to field in the McKenna Cup, it should be an honour to manage any game for your county and to try inspire anyone to wear the jersey, but he'd rather throw his toys out, much like the minor game a few moons ago when Tyrone bet Donegal and he let the accusations fly. Hope he stays in tbh, as mentioned Donegal are going backwards
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 19, 2021, 08:08:26 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 19, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
Ulster U20FC final  between Monaghan and Down scheduled for Saturday has been postponed as a mark of respect for the late BrendŠn ”g Duffy, their captain who tragically lost his life in a car crash on his way home from the semi-final win over Donegal last Friday evening.

It will now take place at the Athletic Grounds on Friday week, 30 July.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
Connacht v Ulster semi back a week so.
Hopefully we'll be involved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 19, 2021, 09:01:28 PM
Donegal defenders to me are not overly great, McHugh can be marked out of it, McGee age against him, Ban Gallagher got roasted, the rest, not up to it, Midfield needs looked at too. They pretty good Forwards though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 19, 2021, 09:08:44 PM
Would it sell out? Hard to gauge what demand will be like. People will want to go as its been a long long time, yet covid could make people hesitant. I'll be there anyway.

I've been accused on this forum of being a Covid restriction ultra. But had Armagh qualified (and they could have) then I'd be perfectly happy to sit with nobody directly beside me in Croke Park and likely that will be the restriction imposed. I might not chose to go on the bus or head to a pub or restaurant afterwards though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2021, 09:26:58 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.
I agree. They should be doing better. They have fewer passengers
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 09:54:35 PM
Bonner is a buffer of the highest order. 18 months ago he was refusing to field in the McKenna Cup, it should be an honour to manage any game for your county and to try inspire anyone to wear the jersey, but he'd rather throw his toys out, much like the minor game a few moons ago when Tyrone bet Donegal and he let the accusations fly. Hope he stays in tbh, as mentioned Donegal are going backwards

Bitter much?  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 19, 2021, 09:58:11 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rudi on July 19, 2021, 10:03:55 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

He did very well in management with Letterkenny IT in Trench Cup. Definitely a future Donegal manager.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 19, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 19, 2021, 11:48:31 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?
 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 06:05:05 AM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2021, 08:37:50 AM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

Murphyís past it, a bit like Nadal
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bennydorano on July 20, 2021, 09:35:43 AM
Murphy is getting to the age were he should be thinking of playing as a bear on the square, the roaming days are maybe not quite over but they're coming to an end. He'd be some handful as a static FF.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
Murphy is getting to the age were he should be thinking of playing as a bear on the square, the roaming days are maybe not quite over but they're coming to an end. He'd be some handful as a static FF.

Could be a good shout but I'd say he would have more of an impact coming off the bench. imagine versus tyrone he came on after the second water break the lift it would give donegal. You cant even make the argument that they need hi starting as he got sent off after a poor lapse of judgement in the first half. Donegal still looked like they had a chance. I would have young o'donnell in full forward with mcbrearty in centre forward to come off the shoulder. young gallen somehwere in the half forward line as well to take murphys spot with murphy coming off the bench after the second water break. if donegal are in the lead you could bet your live he will hold it out as his presence alone is enough to shift the tempo of the game. If  they require a few points to catch their opponents i cant think of many men in the country who can strike a ball like murphy
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 20, 2021, 01:12:47 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

How did last Sunday show that? If he was on the field for the full 70 minutes he could have provided the leadership for Donegal to edge that match.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 20, 2021, 01:33:44 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

How did last Sunday show that? If he was on the field for the full 70 minutes he could have provided the leadership for Donegal to edge that match.

Think people are really overpaying murphy being sent off. There were more valuable players in Donegal whos sending off would have had a bigger impact on the game. Prior the the sending off he was kept out game almost entirely. He should have never started the game and should have been brought on as a sub in the final 20 mins. It was piss poor managment from bonners part.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2021, 01:47:04 PM
You canít underestimate at senior level the other team losing a player, and an influential player (regardless of fitness) like Murphy.

Tyrone coulda won the game 15 on 15, watched the fouls, was a clumsy lazy tackle,  non deliberate. In a club league that wouldnít have raised an eyebrow
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 20, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

I’d say that’s probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that he’s washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

How did last Sunday show that? If he was on the field for the full 70 minutes he could have provided the leadership for Donegal to edge that match.

Think people are really overpaying murphy being sent off. There were more valuable players in Donegal whos sending off would have had a bigger impact on the game. Prior the the sending off he was kept out game almost entirely. He should have never started the game and should have been brought on as a sub in the final 20 mins. It was piss poor managment from bonners part.
Like who?

Murphy leadership to that team is not in question and he occupies a number of defenders which creates the space for other forwards to cause damage.

For what it's worth I still think Tyrone would have won 15 v 15 as Donegal throughout was so loose defensively and that was the worst bit of management by Bonner to have them set up in that manner and never changed things.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

How did last Sunday show that? If he was on the field for the full 70 minutes he could have provided the leadership for Donegal to edge that match.

Think people are really overpaying murphy being sent off. There were more valuable players in Donegal whos sending off would have had a bigger impact on the game. Prior the the sending off he was kept out game almost entirely. He should have never started the game and should have been brought on as a sub in the final 20 mins. It was piss poor managment from bonners part.
Like who?

Murphy leadership to that team is not in question and he occupies a number of defenders which creates the space for other forwards to cause damage.

Ryan mchugh & mcbrearty
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 20, 2021, 01:56:38 PM
I don't mind him but I think it's time to rethink for Donegal. They should be doing a lot better with the players they have at their disposal. I don't think there's an AI in them but best in Ulster should be very achievable.

Iíd say thatís probably the view of most inside the county.

Bonner did all right, but time to let someone else try their hand at it.

A lot probably depends on who would be interested.

Maybe Murphy can do a McEniff and try player-manager now that heís washed up. :P

Last year worse than this year tbh. No shame in getting beat by Tyrone but should probably be running them a good bit closer than that.
With their  (soon to be washed up) talisman on the field all game I think Donegal would have prevailed. Tyrone only nailed the game in the last 10 minutes when they racked up 6 or so points in a row.   The scales were tipped when Murphy was dismissed.

 Would a return of Big Jim  to the manager's seat be realistic?

Probably the best thing for donegal but it will cost them. Jim's experience coaching soccer will go a long way in adding a professional atmosphere in the donegal camp. The personality of the donegal team at the minute is too reliant on mick murphy who as we seen on sunday is past it

How did last Sunday show that? If he was on the field for the full 70 minutes he could have provided the leadership for Donegal to edge that match.

Think people are really overpaying murphy being sent off. There were more valuable players in Donegal whos sending off would have had a bigger impact on the game. Prior the the sending off he was kept out game almost entirely. He should have never started the game and should have been brought on as a sub in the final 20 mins. It was piss poor managment from bonners part.
Like who?

Murphy leadership to that team is not in question and he occupies a number of defenders which creates the space for other forwards to cause damage.

For what it's worth I still think Tyrone would have won 15 v 15 as Donegal throughout was so loose defensively.

I don't mean in terms of leadership, I meant in terms of positively impacting the game. Murphy was well shackled for the first 30 mins and if he wasn't fit then it's highly likely he would have struggled more as the game went on. I was happier seeing  him starting as I thought if he came on in the last 15-20mims he would have provided enough of a boost to get Donegal over the line.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Any word of general sale tickets? Does Supervalu Coalisland have a replacement now it's closed?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 21, 2021, 09:32:16 PM
Any word of general sale tickets? Does Supervalu Coalisland have a replacement now it's closed?

Got a message from my club today, saying through clubs is currently the only way to get tickets. Seemed to be Croke Park driven
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 21, 2021, 09:36:06 PM
Plenty of Connacht Final tickets on sale still.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Any word of general sale tickets? Does Supervalu Coalisland have a replacement now it's closed?

Got a message from my club today, saying through clubs is currently the only way to get tickets. Seemed to be Croke Park driven

Well they would say that, wouldn't they.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 21, 2021, 10:00:21 PM
Any word of general sale tickets? Does Supervalu Coalisland have a replacement now it's closed?

Got a message from my club today, saying through clubs is currently the only way to get tickets. Seemed to be Croke Park driven

Well they would say that, wouldn't they.

I don't follow?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 21, 2021, 10:04:49 PM
They're bound to be selling some here
https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaa/
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2021, 10:13:54 PM
Any word of general sale tickets? Does Supervalu Coalisland have a replacement now it's closed?

Got a message from my club today, saying through clubs is currently the only way to get tickets. Seemed to be Croke Park driven

Well they would say that, wouldn't they.

I don't follow?

They would say they are the only way to get tickets, whether they'll be going on sale via general sale, assuming it follows the same structure as the Connacht final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2021, 10:35:43 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2021, 12:46:26 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

Thatís probably true too, but Iíd rather it go through clubs and if allocation is not taken up it can be fed back into something like ticketmaster, providing its same prices.

Clubs need revenue and if getting tickets through the clubs increases of their membership, thatíll be a great revenue, especially for popular counties who get to the latter stages of competitions.

Iím nearly sure rugby has similar system, If not someone will let me know
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2021, 01:05:15 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.


There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 22, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 22, 2021, 03:08:09 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

100%

There are lots of these people and they contribute in their own way to the association and games.  Moreover, not everyone continually contributes to a club.  Some might make a big effort for a few years and then fall back for a while.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2021, 03:26:55 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/resilient-monaghan-pound-for-pound-the-best-county-in-gaelic-games-1.4626121

Resilient Monaghan: pound-for-pound the best county in Gaelic games
Brendan ”g Duffy will be remembered as one of countyís most outstanding players

 
SeŠn Moran

 
Monaghan players stand for a momentís applause in memory of Under-20s captain BrendŠn ”g Duffy. Photograph: John McVitty/Inpho
 
 
You could tell listening to the radio that there was something odd about the commentary from Newry on Saturday. It was a rip-roaring match that Monaghan initially appeared to have settled very early. Hardly anyone could think of when the county might have last scored four goals in the first half of a championship match.
Yet Armagh reeled them back and with less than 10 minutes to go, hit the front. The once dominant opposition sounded as if they were flat, out of puff and ideas. The extraordinary talent and temperament of Conor McManus somehow dug Monaghan out of their predicament with three precise frees Ė almost disconnected from the turbulent reality.
Armagh must have been shell-shocked to have recovered from a nine-point half-time deficit to lead by two with six minutes left Ė only to get touched off by a late run of four unanswered points from a team whose spirit they looked to have broken.
What was by any standards a famous victory registered a somewhat downbeat response. The numbers in attendance were limited to a couple of thousand so Armagh had no significantly greater support and yet they made more noise and treated their reviving fortunes ecstatically.
Muted
The Monaghan support sounded muted Ė their greeting of the victory quieter and more subdued than such an amazing endgame would have merited in usual circumstances.
Of course the circumstances were far from usual.
The previous night, Brendan ”g Duffy had captained Monaghan under-20s to a terrific win over Donegal in an Ulster semi-final. The team bus had brought everyone back from Enniskillen to their cars, parked in the county GAA centre in Cloghan, and the players dispersed into the night.
It meant that his team-mates were among the first to the scene of the crash that claimed their captainís life at the age of 19. The awful news rippled out in expanding circles and the force of the loss for family, club and county hit home throughout the GAA on a busy weekend.
In Cork, the under-20 footballers formed an ďMĒ at the end of training and held a minuteís silence.
ďThereís not a GAA home in Ireland that wonít be impacted by the news,Ē said Dublin manager Dessie Farrell, summing up a widespread sentiment.
Former Monaghan player Dick Clerkin wrote in his Irish Independent column about the helpless dislocation he felt on a family holiday in Kerry with his children who had ďidolisedĒ Brendan Duffy, as members of the local Monaghan Harps club.
Anyone who dies so young is going to be remembered for good things but in this case the clichťs all had substance. He had captained Monaghan to an Ulster minor title and was spoken of as likely to replicate that role with the seniors in the future. An energetic leader on the field, he was sensible enough to decline a senior call-up in order to concentrate on his own cohort.
Brendan McAnallen, father of former Tyrone captain Cormac Ė another tragic and untimely loss Ė recounted that former president Mary McAleese had commiserated with him saying: ďHe only brought home good news.Ē
The loss is terrible for Monaghan GAA, which could be described as pound-for-pound the best county in Gaelic games.
With a population of little more than 60,000 Ė ďthe size of Drumcondra,Ē as one native reminded me Ė it has a couple of Ulster titles from the past decade and a consistent presence in Division One Ė retained as recently as last month after a fierce refusal to go down quietly despite being outplayed for most of the play-off by Galway.
The resilience on show that day asserted itself again last Saturday when defeat looked certain in the dying minutes of the Ulster semi-final.
Its economic life is also resilient with hardly any multi-national presence Ė on the upside, no big employers to relocate with big job losses Ė but a thriving small business sector and a big enterprise like Combilift, which employs 650 people and exports specialist forklift vehicles around the world.
Thriving
It was co-founded by locals Martin McVicar and Robert Moffett in the late 1990s and opened the current factory in Monaghan town three years ago.
Abroad, Carrickmacross man Philip Traynor, who also died last week, made a fortune in flooring buildings in New York, and sent some of it home to sponsor the county footballers.
The GAA is sustained by 32 clubs, most of whom have spectacularly well appointed premises, in some cases separate training grounds.
There is a thriving games development structure, run by Paul OíConnor, which has produced Ulster winning minor teams in 2018 and Ď19 and in the delayed 2020 season, the county this month lost the Ulster final narrowly to Derry, who last weekend won the All-Ireland, beating Kerry in the final.
Womenís football has always been strong and, unlike the men, is on the senior All-Ireland roll of honour with back-to-back wins in 1996 and Ď97, plus a number of narrow defeats in finals since then. That presence is growing and in some clubs there are as many girls enrolled as boys.
The county has produced influential administrators for the association this century, a recent DG, PŠraic Duffy and former president SeŠn McCague who in the 1970s and Ď80s re-established Monaghan football as a force.
Brendan ”g Duffy made his way in those footsteps. His untimely death is a cause of terrible sadness but he will be remembered as an eternally vibrant heir to that outstanding tradition.
TG4 produced one of the many affecting tributes last weekend. It ended with the dedication: ďLeaba i measc na n-aingealĒ.
After a celebration of his life, he will be laid to rest today.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2021, 03:54:42 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

100%

There are lots of these people and they contribute in their own way to the association and games.  Moreover, not everyone continually contributes to a club.  Some might make a big effort for a few years and then fall back for a while.

I never got the supporter that just follows the county team and never at a club game, they are usually the mad one at the club who's been banned by the committee for shouting at the ref  ;D

I still believe GAA members should get first call, whether they may not contribute physically they are putting money into the local club to help it sustain the game, and that club will hopefully supply players to the county set up.

Any ticket allocation not used by the clubs should be used up via those ticket sites
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: J70 on July 22, 2021, 04:11:53 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

100%

There are lots of these people and they contribute in their own way to the association and games.  Moreover, not everyone continually contributes to a club.  Some might make a big effort for a few years and then fall back for a while.

I never got the supporter that just follows the county team and never at a club game, they are usually the mad one at the club who's been banned by the committee for shouting at the ref  ;D

I still believe GAA members should get first call, whether they may not contribute physically they are putting money into the local club to help it sustain the game, and that club will hopefully supply players to the county set up.

Any ticket allocation not used by the clubs should be used up via those ticket sites

Speaking for myself, I used to go to every Donegal game I could when I lived in Dublin. I simply didn't really get the opportunity to go to club matches as I was rarely home when they were on, even though I kept up my membership most years.

Knew a few people involved in southside clubs like Olafs or Crokes, but most people I knew in Dublin were either not into GAA, or if they were, were from somewhere up or down the country and not involved in any Dublin club.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2021, 05:37:32 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 22, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

I think this is beyond doubt. However, Nigel would probably argue that he should get a ticket in preference in the brother in law of this guy who helps in the club, which is where the season tickets were useful.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 22, 2021, 06:13:20 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
Prioritise paid up members who put the effort into their local club, Iíve no probs with that. Our club on finals day, the names go into a draw and only members can win the tickets, Iím sure our very generous sponsors receive tickets and rightly so.

At county level referees names go into a hat also, itís difficult to have it any fairer.

Any tickets that are not taken up go back to the county but that never happens.

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: 6th sam on July 22, 2021, 08:00:49 PM
Prioritise paid up members who put the effort into their local club, Iíve no probs with that. Our club on finals day, the names go into a draw and only members can win the tickets, Iím sure our very generous sponsors receive tickets and rightly so.

At county level referees names go into a hat also, itís difficult to have it any fairer.

Any tickets that are not taken up go back to the county but that never happens.

Totally agree with above MR. Iíd question that anyone who  doesnít respect that, isnít giving enough to their club, the lifeblood of our association.
Iíd also question
Someone who is able to afford to go to several county games , but resents paying his local club a £25 annual membership
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Ty4Sam on July 22, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
Mission
"The GAA is a community based volunteer organisation promoting Gaelic Games, culture and lifelong participation."

Itís there in black and white, community comes first. Volunteers who put work into the local community clubs deserve to be rewarded, end of. Take these volunteers away and the whole deck of cards falls down. Those who pay membership to their local club are helping to fund the above, people who donít join their local club or their home club are going against the ethos of the organisation they claim to support.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2021, 09:00:07 AM
Yeah - too many have started to view it like premier league football. No clubs no game - simple as that. Mind you the way the GAA go about it you wouldn't think that sometimes.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 23, 2021, 09:34:44 AM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2021, 10:49:39 AM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 23, 2021, 11:34:58 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

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Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 23, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 11:44:23 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 23, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 12:19:45 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

Here, just join your local club and ask for tickets through them. It doesn't cost much and sure it's a few pound to the local community. Don't get so worked up about it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 23, 2021, 01:59:11 PM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 23, 2021, 02:12:00 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

I like to think so Nige.  8)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 02:14:51 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
\/
Nigels

I can't speak for any other county, but within Derry for example, I don't know of any of these Nigels well definitely not in the last few years. Take the last few years, games away down the country in Div 3 / 4. Derry might have had 20 max supporters. Not a single one of them would be the type of county supporter you seem to be fixated on. Each and everyone would be club men. Having ago at people for supporting their county the length and breadth of the country (especially a county like Derry when so many abandoned the county men in Div 3 and 4) is bizarre

You are making no sense.

You said yourself that none of the supporters who followed Derry are the type I was talking about.

So how am I having a go at them???

Weird.

So Derry wasn't in your thoughts at all then? Gotcha. The other counties clubmen will be glad to have you as a spokesman

I like to think so Nige.  8)


  :D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 23, 2021, 02:43:20 PM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).
Oh give over holy fuckkk
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 23, 2021, 03:28:50 PM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.

 A few more people? If it was in ulster the capacity would have been 2,500. There'll be over 15,000 in croke park. That's a lot of people being given the opportunity to see their county in an ulster final that wouldn't have been if not switched.

Big tickle. Is 2,500 is a lot more than zero? Basically 12,500 people travelling to Dublin in the middle of a pandemic unnecessarily when this could have been played a lot closer to home. There's more to life than sitting in an empty Croker to watch 70mins of football that is on free to air TV. But wait, 12500 x £30 = £375,000. I guess you really can put a price on stupidity (GAA not you).
Oh give over holy fuckkk

Athletic Grounds would have been the perfect neutral venue.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 23, 2021, 04:16:43 PM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 23, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
Disappointed the final has been put in Croke. Ulster final belongs in Ulster, there are enough top class venues in the province. I appreciate a few more people will get into Croke but then thats more people travelling further unnecessarily. I would say it gives Tyrone an edge, maybe in the same way Clones should give Monaghan an edge. Leave the spiritual home of the association for Dublin v Longford turkey shoot.


Ulster final was played in Croke Park from 04 to 06. The Connacht final on Sunday is in Croke Park. I doubt the players mind playing in a stadium like Croke Park, its actually a help before an All Ireland Semi final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 05:47:48 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
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Non-Active GAA Members
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Nigels

What about the mate/brother/sister/child of the club treasurer/secretary? Where do they come in?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 23, 2021, 06:12:08 PM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest. Bad decision bringing that final to Croke, both teams will find a way to shit themselves in the race to be declared losers.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 23, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest.
14,000 tickets sold up to this evening.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 24, 2021, 12:03:12 AM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest. Bad decision bringing that final to Croke, both teams will find a way to shit themselves in the race to be declared losers.

Throwing stones in glass houses and all that!  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 24, 2021, 10:15:06 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

Itís very simple, tickets allocated are selected from a hat, names in the hat are paid up members of the club, club committee men should get preference and sponsors (thatís my opinion) , members are asked would they like their names put in for the draw, those interested say yes.

Itís not difficult, if your club benny are not doing it fair then pull them at the next agm and put a motion in thatíll allow for better transparency when handing out tickets. Obviously you can only bitch about it if you are a paid up member, if not, thatís hard cheese.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tiempo on July 24, 2021, 11:07:10 AM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest.
14,000 tickets sold up to this evening.

Fs is that all, no supply and demand issues there, seen more at the club finals on Pattys day
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on July 24, 2021, 11:42:04 AM
Play it behind fkn closed doors to stop ye whining and make sure no undesirables  might get in.

Could start by cancelling Connacht due to lack of interest.
14,000 tickets sold up to this evening.

Fs is that all, no supply and demand issues there, seen more at the club finals on Pattys day

Cardinal sin.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on July 24, 2021, 04:02:45 PM
PS,  no shops/ bars etc will be open in Croke Park
From  Rossfan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 24, 2021, 09:14:29 PM
When does email to purchase tickets go out to club members?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 24, 2021, 11:08:15 PM
PS,  no shops/ bars etc will be open in Croke Park
From  Rossfan

Bars are one thing, but why would they not sell bottles of water and the like?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Sean3 on July 25, 2021, 09:40:41 AM
Shops were open last Sunday
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 25, 2021, 09:45:42 AM
Correction...no bars or restaurants  open.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: GlenMan on July 25, 2021, 10:36:07 AM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 25, 2021, 11:16:31 AM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

Makes sense for getting to and from seat but whatís the rationale for when seated Ö sounds like theyíre making it up as they go along.

Would like to know who did the ticket planning for last weekís Armagh Monaghan game Ö. 3 sides of field mostly empty with the town terrace left crowded with absolutely no opportunity to social distance.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 25, 2021, 12:10:09 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

We are in the middle of a lethal pandemic. What do you expect? People are dying and the hospitals are filled to capacity. Does nobody care anymore?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: GlenMan on July 25, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

We are in the middle of a lethal pandemic. What do you expect? People are dying and the hospitals are filled to capacity. Does nobody care anymore?

Oh come on... there's absolutely no justification to wear a mask when seated, in an outdoor stadium, socially distanced, at 1/4 capacity.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on July 25, 2021, 12:13:51 PM
 An outdoor setting with a limited Capacity of 18,000 in a 80 k stadium, shouldn't need masks while seated.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 25, 2021, 12:17:58 PM
Ridiculous asking people to wear masks in Croke Park whilst seated. Maybe ok at toilets and shops
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on July 25, 2021, 12:24:05 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

Where did you see that ?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: GlenMan on July 25, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

Where did you see that ?

https://twitter.com/mayogaa/status/1419228137964048388?s=21

Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 25, 2021, 12:36:39 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

We are in the middle of a lethal pandemic. What do you expect? People are dying and the hospitals are filled to capacity. Does nobody care anymore?

Oh come on... there's absolutely no justification to wear a mask when seated, in an outdoor stadium, socially distanced, at 1/4 capacity.

People are letting their guard down? This is a serious virus. Are you not afraid anymore?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: armaghniac on July 25, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
I see that face masks must be worn at all times in Croke Park, even when seated. That's absolutely crazy and totally unnecessary.

Makes sense for getting to and from seat but whatís the rationale for when seated Ö sounds like theyíre making it up as they go along.

Would like to know who did the ticket planning for last weekís Armagh Monaghan game Ö. 3 sides of field mostly empty with the town terrace left crowded with absolutely no opportunity to social distance.

This is noticeable on TV games, crowds packed into one area of the ground and the rest empty. The GAA is its own worst enemy sometimes, both the organisers and the supporters suiting themselves rather than preventing Covid. Last summer we had exactly the same thing, some grounds with everyone spread out, others where everyone was in the stand between the 45s. If the GAA wants more crowds for later games then it must show that it can manage the crowds
.
However, if people are spread throughout the stadium, then there should be no need for masks.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 25, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
Other than a gentle reminder from a steward to remember social distancing and wear a mask, no further action was taken to enforce anything at the matches I've been to.
The sight of a jammed terrace of unmasked ones at Armagh v Monaghan was not very  assuring.
The sight of hundreds of Tyrones being fecked out next Sunday might help the GAA in their bid for bigger crowds in the closing stages ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 25, 2021, 04:12:49 PM
You can see on tv that thereís plenty of people not wearing masks in croke park. No way you could wear a mask in that heat.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on July 25, 2021, 05:21:42 PM

Why would you wear a mask outdoors?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 25, 2021, 07:16:46 PM

Why would you wear a mask outdoors?

Cos the Coronavirus can spread outdoors too perhaps.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 25, 2021, 07:29:01 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants on here. Get out , enjoy the weather , keep your distance if you are worried. Time to get on with it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 25, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants on here. Get out , enjoy the weather , keep your distance if you are worried. Time to get on with it

Today has to be the warmest yet...fierce heat!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: An Watcher on July 25, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Kerry in the semi for whoever wins next week. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 25, 2021, 08:36:22 PM
Kerry in the semi for whoever wins next week.

Look at the score they racked with Da is Clifford well marked.  The brother is some talent too
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on July 25, 2021, 08:38:46 PM
Both teams surely not be fit to handle Kerry in full flight? They can be got at but there is too much at the other end to worry about
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 25, 2021, 09:32:46 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants on here. Get out , enjoy the weather , keep your distance if you are worried. Time to get on with it

Today has to be the warmest yet...fierce heat!

Shocking all together
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 25, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: balladmaker on July 25, 2021, 11:23:07 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 25, 2021, 11:37:49 PM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 26, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on July 26, 2021, 01:19:49 AM

Why would you wear a mask outdoors?

Cos the Coronavirus can spread outdoors too perhaps.

Do a bit of reading sometime
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 26, 2021, 09:53:17 AM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)
As long as no Armagh defenders were involved there would be a chanceÖ
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 26, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football

Apple picking doesnít usually start until September, and the All Ireland will be finished by end of August. Just saying.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 26, 2021, 10:46:07 AM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football
How are Warwickshire doing?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 26, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
The pick of Monaghan and Tyrone wouldnt beat Kerry

But the pick of Monaghan, Tyrone and Armagh would give them a game  ;)

Armagh making the difference.  ;D

Armagh will be picking the apples as usual while the big teams get on with the football

Armagh could supply the forwards, Monaghan have Beggan and McManus and Tyrone would have the stoppers and the spoilers. Between the 3 of them they could give Kerry a game of it. 
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: clarshack on July 26, 2021, 01:08:42 PM
Is it true clubs arenít getting the required amount of tickets?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: donelli on July 26, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Boycey on July 26, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists

I'm gonna guess Fermanagh, Mayo and Cavan take up for hurling tickets be light enough? Leaving the rest of tickets to be divided between Tyrone/Monaghan
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 26, 2021, 09:54:00 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists

I'm gonna guess Fermanagh, Mayo and Cavan take up for hurling tickets be light enough? Leaving the rest of tickets to be divided between Tyrone/Monaghan

Exactly - if youíd 6/700 in total from them counties itís would be height of it. Though Ulster final might lead to wee bit more demand in the Ulster teams.

The hurling was always meant to be played on Saturday, Ulster council were happy to let it double up.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 26, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on July 26, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
If anything the Lori Meagher and Nicky Rackard hurling fans are the real losers having to pay extra into their respective finals.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 26, 2021, 11:21:52 PM
If anything the Lori Meagher and Nicky Rackard hurling fans are the real losers having to pay extra into their respective finals.

Extra? The games would normally be a double or triple header with similar prices. No one, especially the  hurlers,  fans of hurling and managers of these counties will miss out by playing at Croke park, itís the pinnacle of any players ambition or dreams.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 27, 2021, 12:36:09 AM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
It's still fcked up, you'd swear the end of time would happen if an Ulster final was scheduled for a Friday or a Monday evening, there is no Skysports involved.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on July 27, 2021, 07:27:30 AM
Capacity limited to 18k so bound to be a shortfall

The clever suits in Croke Park has decided to put this as a triple header with 5 county teams involved.
No wonder there is a shortage of tickets for the Ulster finalists
There'd be e a bigger shortage with only 3,000 for a Clones Final.
It's still fcked up, you'd swear the end of time would happen if an Ulster final was scheduled for a Friday or a Monday evening, there is no Skysports involved.
Why would you ask people to tr**p the whole way to Dublin after work?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 27, 2021, 08:32:22 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
\/
Non-Active GAA Members
\/
Nigels

What about the mate/brother/sister/child of the club treasurer/secretary? Where do they come in?

They should fit exactly into the same hierarchy.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 27, 2021, 08:41:30 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

The GAA IS the clubs.  This is a pet hate of mine - everyone thinks 'the GAA' is a bunch of suits in Dublin.  The GAA is all of us (well, those of us who are not too tight to dip into our pockets for the measly membership fee).

There's nothing anywhere in the constitution about tickets.  Irrelevant comment.

Club members should always have a better chance of getting a ticket than non-members.

As for said person in your little example (shall we call him Bleating Benny?)

It's unfortunate for him that all the pressures of these caring responsibilities and abnormal work hours just happen to disappear on the day there's a big county game on?  Into the car, off to Dublin, not a problem.

But there's just NO WAY he'd have the time to do the gate at a club league game.

Poor Benny can't catch a break.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on July 27, 2021, 08:46:19 AM
It happens in every club.

When the county sees a bit of success then the membership numbers increase.

If you havent time to be an active member of your club then you should be way down the pecking order for a ticket
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 27, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
It happens in every club.

When the county sees a bit of success then the membership numbers increase.

If you haven't time to be an active member of your club then you should be way down the pecking order for a ticket

Does indeed.

In fairness, in my own club, it couldn't be done fairer.  Every member who wants a ticket turns up and puts their name into a hat.  Active or not.

They are drawn out and that's it.

The Bleating Bennys of this world who just can't find the time to take anything to do with the running of the club ALWAYS manage to crawl out from under their rocks on this night.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on July 27, 2021, 09:25:27 AM
It happens in every club.

When the county sees a bit of success then the membership numbers increase.

If you haven't time to be an active member of your club then you should be way down the pecking order for a ticket

Does indeed.

In fairness, in my own club, it couldn't be done fairer.  Every member who wants a ticket turns up and puts their name into a hat.  Active or not.

They are drawn out and that's it.

The Bleating Bennys of this world who just can't find the time to take anything to do with the running of the club ALWAYS manage to crawl out from under their rocks on this night.

I wouldnt call that fair Franko.

So the person who doesnt darken the door of the club but just pays membership to get a ticket for a county game has the same chance as the volunteer who is at the club 5/6 nights a week?

Managers/coaches/volunteers/lotto sellers etc should all get priority.

NoN active members should only get tickets if there are any left over IMHO
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2021, 09:27:14 AM
It happens in every club.

When the county sees a bit of success then the membership numbers increase.

If you haven't time to be an active member of your club then you should be way down the pecking order for a ticket

Does indeed.

In fairness, in my own club, it couldn't be done fairer.  Every member who wants a ticket turns up and puts their name into a hat.  Active or not.

They are drawn out and that's it.

The Bleating Bennys of this world who just can't find the time to take anything to do with the running of the club ALWAYS manage to crawl out from under their rocks on this night.

It is the fairest way of doing it without stepping on toes as they are all members and without their paid up membership we'd struggle. Of course we all know of that person or 6 that are flat out doing stuff at the club or for the club but you have to have it just so.

 Years ago we had a Sec that would have travelled the length of the country to get the club as many tickets as possible, 9 times out of 10 he'd have collected the required amount of tickets, they were handed out on a Thursday night before the All Ireland weekend, you'd have turned up not knowing for starters whether you were getting one! The tension was through the roof! When the envelope was handed over the table it was ripped open to see where your seats were!  Brilliant days.

The live draw we have now on the clubs facebook page is the best way and no complaints, no doubt the sponsors get theirs, that's fine.


Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: thewobbler on July 27, 2021, 09:28:23 AM
Iíd agree Taylor.

If an executive committee of a club doesnít tilt the balance of ticket distribution in favour of active volunteers, then they arenít acting in a clubís best interests.

An inactive club member throwing the toys out of the pram is no big deal.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 27, 2021, 09:48:33 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

You're that whinging **** that every club has. Points out all the flaws but ask him to brush the changing rooms or volunteer and you'd run a mile. GAA would be far better off without your sorts.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 27, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
It happens in every club.

When the county sees a bit of success then the membership numbers increase.

If you haven't time to be an active member of your club then you should be way down the pecking order for a ticket

Does indeed.

In fairness, in my own club, it couldn't be done fairer.  Every member who wants a ticket turns up and puts their name into a hat.  Active or not.

They are drawn out and that's it.

The Bleating Bennys of this world who just can't find the time to take anything to do with the running of the club ALWAYS manage to crawl out from under their rocks on this night.

I wouldnt call that fair Franko.

So the person who doesnt darken the door of the club but just pays membership to get a ticket for a county game has the same chance as the volunteer who is at the club 5/6 nights a week?

Managers/coaches/volunteers/lotto sellers etc should all get priority.

NoN active members should only get tickets if there are any left over IMHO

Fair is probably the wrong word.

But it's the only way to do it without someone making the subjective decision as to who is more active than the other.

Most of our membership are OK with it as this is the way it has been and they've gotten on board with it.

Most of the Bennys of this world are too ashamed to turn up, but there are always the same few who'll make their way to the club and brazenly throw their name in the hat.

Despite never having darkened the door of the place since the last ticket draw.  (apart from possibly dropping the kids off for some free childcare)

We do reserve a couple of our allocation for our principal sponsor though.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 27, 2021, 09:51:00 AM
Tickets out this am. Glad I am a paid up member of my club.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Taylor on July 27, 2021, 10:17:57 AM
Tickets out this am. Glad I am a paid up member of my club.

Paid up ACTIVE member trailer
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 27, 2021, 11:27:44 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

The GAA IS the clubs.  This is a pet hate of mine - everyone thinks 'the GAA' is a bunch of suits in Dublin.  The GAA is all of us (well, those of us who are not too tight to dip into our pockets for the measly membership fee).

There's nothing anywhere in the constitution about tickets.  Irrelevant comment.

Club members should always have a better chance of getting a ticket than non-members.

As for said person in your little example (shall we call him Bleating Benny?)

It's unfortunate for him that all the pressures of these caring responsibilities and abnormal work hours just happen to disappear on the day there's a big county game on?  Into the car, off to Dublin, not a problem.

But there's just NO WAY he'd have the time to do the gate at a club league game.

Poor Benny can't catch a break.

My local club has a lot of members scattered throughout the place. Next town/village and further. Lack of housing/employment can dictate where a lot of your members/players reside. Some  are paid up members to support the club, attend games/functions when they can, subscribe to lotto etc. The previous post is not my situation but a mixture of many I know, and donít belittle those who are in difficult  family/work/financial situations. We all would like to do our bit but itís not always possible.

Anyway, One of my points was where do you draw the line re: tickets? Does the man who lines the pitch get priority over the man who sweeps out the changing rooms? Iíve seen good club people shafted or humiliated when it comes to tickets. Members who put in years of service to lose out on a ticket when itís obvious the neighbour/nephew/drinking buddy etc of the treasurer/secretary have all been sorted with them. Is that fair?

Iím not disagreeing that active members get priority, but it doesnít always work out that way. And because of the nature of how clubs are run, thereíll always be many who are unfairly treated.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 27, 2021, 11:28:45 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Yes, there absolutely should.

Active GAA Members and Key Sponsors
\/
Non-Active GAA Members
\/
Nigels

What about the mate/brother/sister/child of the club treasurer/secretary? Where do they come in?

They should fit exactly into the same hierarchy.

And where is that?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2021, 11:34:03 AM
This is daft, any club that's not doing an open draw is not doing in fairly, its very simple, put the names into a hat and if members don't put their names in then they are not involved. Tickets should be allocated fairly, and if not as a member you bring that up at the next agm, there is no reason why the body of the members wouldn't agree with it
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 27, 2021, 11:34:50 AM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

You're that whinging **** that every club has. Points out all the flaws but ask him to brush the changing rooms or volunteer and you'd run a mile. GAA would be far better off without your sorts.

 ;D Did I say that was my situation?


But, as MR2 said:

It is the fairest way of doing it without stepping on toes as they are all members and without their paid up membership we'd struggle.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trailer on July 27, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
This is daft, any club that's not doing an open draw is not doing in fairly, its very simple, put the names into a hat and if members don't put their names in then they are not involved. Tickets should be allocated fairly, and if not as a member you bring that up at the next agm, there is no reason why the body of the members wouldn't agree with it

There are not to many games that you even need to do that for. Maybe an AIF, maybe. Certainly it would only exist in Dublin. Most other counties would have piles of tickets for games including AIF. I never had a bother getting tickets for the AIF and had spares for those not paid up members.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 27, 2021, 12:00:30 PM
You tend to find many clubs do an open draw, and by and large most people get sorted. If an active member didnít get tickets through the draw, the club generally makes an effort to source one for them via other routes. If theyíre not an active member then theyíre usually on their own. Seems to work well in our club. Itís rare an active member hasnít been looked after. But the draw is done fairly with any paid up members.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Franko on July 27, 2021, 12:54:46 PM
Should tickets not go through the clubs? Club members should get the jump on tickets before the bandwagon support

Many club members don't go near a game all year until there's a final.

There's also plenty of balloons running up and down the country 'supporting' their county, who wouldn't lift a finger to help their local club.

You know the type - young fella always has the most up to date strip, been at every McKenna Cup match since the big snow of 47 but the only players he could name on the club team are the 2 boys playing for the county.

I know who I'd rather give a ticket to.

What about the club members who never go to a county game? Have they any more right to a county ticket than a predominantly county supporter?

I know of lots of people who donít really have much association with their local club, for a number of reasons. A lot of clubs are clannish, two or three families running the show, looking after themselves. Itís hard to feel involved if you werenít a top player or donít come from a local footballing dynasty. Or maybe your kids donít play, so youíre less likely to stay involved.

Firstly, I'd always prioritise the members of the association over the non-members.

Lets face it - a county match is a nice day out, but it's not exactly work and it does little to help the association other than the price of the ticket (which in our example is a moot point - as the tickets will be sold anyway).

Someone who coaches the kids teams, washes the jerseys, turns up at club fundraisers, takes a job on the committee etc is IMO far more crucial to the GAA than some Nigel who only follows the county team

And should be treated as such when tickets are being allocated - no matter how many times said Nigel has seen the county team play this year

So there should be a pecking order when it comes to AI tickets?

One club member who helps out with the u-10ís is more entitled to a ticket than one who cuts the grass? Surely contributing to the club via membership or lotto is important too, even if they donít participate in club activities as such. Not everyone has the time, knowledge or experience  to coach or sit as secretary/treasurer etc.

Also, you do have the time.  You have exactly the same amount of time available as everyone else.

You choose not to allot that time to actively participating in the GAA.

So the GAA chooses not to allot you a ticket for big games.

Couldn't be fairer.

How could you make a case for the opposite?

Itís not the GAA who allocates tickets though. Itís through the clubs. And once it goes to clubs, itís anything goes. We all know that. If youíre the secretaryís nephew, treasurerís mistress, youíll get a ticket. You can make an argument that those who coach, wash jerseies etc are more entitled to tickets, but thereís nothing in the GAA constitution/rules stating any of that.

So, you might have a person who is a club member but live in the next town, works abnormal hours or has caring responsibilities etc, and heís no hope of getting a ticket? Well, what is that person going to do in that case? Maybe theyíll take their £25 annual fee and keep it in their pocket. Or when the lads come round asking for lotto or selling tickets for the big club draw/dinner, theyíll be told to get stuffed?

The GAA IS the clubs.  This is a pet hate of mine - everyone thinks 'the GAA' is a bunch of suits in Dublin.  The GAA is all of us (well, those of us who are not too tight to dip into our pockets for the measly membership fee).

There's nothing anywhere in the constitution about tickets.  Irrelevant comment.

Club members should always have a better chance of getting a ticket than non-members.

As for said person in your little example (shall we call him Bleating Benny?)

It's unfortunate for him that all the pressures of these caring responsibilities and abnormal work hours just happen to disappear on the day there's a big county game on?  Into the car, off to Dublin, not a problem.

But there's just NO WAY he'd have the time to do the gate at a club league game.

Poor Benny can't catch a break.

My local club has a lot of members scattered throughout the place. Next town/village and further. Lack of housing/employment can dictate where a lot of your members/players reside. Some  are paid up members to support the club, attend games/functions when they can, subscribe to lotto etc. The previous post is not my situation but a mixture of many I know, and donít belittle those who are in difficult  family/work/financial situations. We all would like to do our bit but itís not always possible.

Anyway, One of my points was where do you draw the line re: tickets? Does the man who lines the pitch get priority over the man who sweeps out the changing rooms? Iíve seen good club people shafted or humiliated when it comes to tickets. Members who put in years of service to lose out on a ticket when itís obvious the neighbour/nephew/drinking buddy etc of the treasurer/secretary have all been sorted with them. Is that fair?

Iím not disagreeing that active members get priority, but it doesnít always work out that way. And because of the nature of how clubs are run, thereíll always be many who are unfairly treated.

Like I said, we have found that the only way to do it is the open draw system, where every paid up member has the ability to throw his/her name in the hat for an equal shot at a ticket.

Active members usually have their own network of people who can sort them out with tickets, networks which they generally have built up in the course of their service to the GAA.

But if your club is run differently, the best way to change that is to get involved yourself and change the way it is run.

You clearly have;

a) The time to attend the games
b) The financial resources necessary to buy a ticket
c) The time to whinge about it on the GAA board

I'd suggest that this time and money could be better spent.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 28, 2021, 10:48:12 PM
Ulster MFC quarter-finals results from tonight.

Fermanagh 1-12 Cavan 1-11
Tyrone 3-16 Down 0-9
Armagh 0-12 Derry 0-11
Donegal 1-9 Monaghan 0-10

The two semi finals confirmed to take place at Healy Park, Omagh, next week.

Armagh v Donegal Fri 6th Aug, 7.30pm

Fermanagh v Tyrone Sat 7th Aug, 6pm
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 28, 2021, 11:39:42 PM
I have mixed feelings about the  senior final  and none of them good. Tyrone's fitness levels were impressive v Donegal, nippy feckers on the counterattack.  But there's always a distant hope that quality and integrity will prevail with Monaghan firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2021, 11:50:53 PM
I remember our club doing a open draw for tickets one time, myself Secretary and playing at the time, and the treasurer didn't get one. Hence I called it a day the following year.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
Ulster MFC quarter-finals results from tonight.

Fermanagh 1-12 Cavan 1-11
Tyrone 3-16 Down 0-9
Armagh 0-12 Derry 0-11
Donegal 1-9 Monaghan 0-10

The two semi finals confirmed to take place at Healy Park, Omagh, next week.

Armagh v Donegal Fri 6th Aug, 7.30pm

Fermanagh v Tyrone Sat 7th Aug, 6pm
I know being underage it's not the same team..... but hadn't Derry a very short reign as All Ireland Champions?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 29, 2021, 09:54:25 AM
Ulster MFC quarter-finals results from tonight.

Fermanagh 1-12 Cavan 1-11
Tyrone 3-16 Down 0-9
Armagh 0-12 Derry 0-11
Donegal 1-9 Monaghan 0-10

The two semi finals confirmed to take place at Healy Park, Omagh, next week.

Armagh v Donegal Fri 6th Aug, 7.30pm

Fermanagh v Tyrone Sat 7th Aug, 6pm
I know being underage it's not the same team..... but hadn't Derry a very short reign as All Ireland Champions?

Two players overlap. I'm counting it as the same team. The shortest all ireland reign in history  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2021, 11:12:08 AM
Love yer neighbour and all that ;D
Back in the early years when Championships were way behind schedule wasn't there a County won an AI on weekend and then got knocked out of the next year's Championship the following weekend?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:15:21 AM
I have mixed feelings about the  senior final  and none of them good. Tyrone's fitness levels were impressive v Donegal, nippy feckers on the counterattack.  But there's always a distant hope that quality and integrity will prevail with Monaghan firing on all cylinders.
Yes who can forget that Monaghan saved football...  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 29, 2021, 11:24:26 AM
This is probably both sides All Ireland final and would have been their main target at the start of the season. I find it too close to call between 2 evenly matched sides. The League encounter ended in a draw earlier in the year with the threat of a relegation on the line. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see extra time in this match either but from a neutrals perspective it would be good to see Monaghan win it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
Should be a tight game alright.  Tyrone are delighted to be back in another Ulster final, delighted to have beat Donegal, and know that in Mc Manus Monaghan have an all time great in their line up. SHould be a cracking contest but I go for Tyrone on penalties.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: BennyCake on July 29, 2021, 12:06:18 PM
Murphyís sending off helped Tyrone last time, but they just seem to have attacking options from a lot of positions. I donít think Monaghan have as many so unless they can score 4 goals again, it will be Tyrone who go through to get a thrashing by Kerry in the semi final
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: shawshank on July 29, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
I remember our club doing a open draw for tickets one time, myself Secretary and playing at the time, and the treasurer didn't get one. Hence I called it a day the following year.

Out of interest who got them, was it the U14 coach who is out three time s week coaching, the res team manager, the U8 coach or just a regular member who goes to the odd game?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: shawshank on July 29, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
Going for Monaghan, Tyrone bt a D4 team, then a 14 man Donegal team (who only squeezed bye a promoted D3 team in Derry) with Murphy playing, but only in name due to his injury for 25 minutes and then won it in the final 10 minutes. Tyrone have always found Monaghan a tough nut to crack as well. Monaghan I think are better placed, steam rolled Armagh then got complacent and got caught and showed impressive ability to then win it gain against a 15 man D1 team. They also have a emotional motive to help drive them on
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on July 29, 2021, 12:21:43 PM
Going for Monaghan, Tyrone bt a D4 team, then a 14 man Donegal team (who only squeezed bye a promoted D3 team in Derry) with Murphy playing, but only in name due to his injury for 25 minutes and then won it in the final 10 minutes. Tyrone have always found Monaghan a tough nut to crack as well. Monaghan I think are better placed, steam rolled Armagh then got complacent and got caught and showed impressive ability to then win it gain against a 15 man D1 team. They also have a emotional motive to help drive them on

Tyrone have always handled Monaghan pretty well in Championship meetings, I imagine the same will be the case at the weekend.  Tyrone were also down to 14 men in the period that they pushed on.  Donegal are a proper established D1 team as well.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 29, 2021, 12:47:09 PM
Going for Monaghan, Tyrone bt a D4 team, then a 14 man Donegal team (who only squeezed bye a promoted D3 team in Derry) with Murphy playing, but only in name due to his injury for 25 minutes and then won it in the final 10 minutes. Tyrone have always found Monaghan a tough nut to crack as well. Monaghan I think are better placed, steam rolled Armagh then got complacent and got caught and showed impressive ability to then win it gain against a 15 man D1 team. They also have a emotional motive to help drive them on

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Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: JoG2 on July 29, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Monaghan by 5.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: APM on July 29, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
Tyrone have beaten a 14-man Donegal and Division 4 Cavan.  Their last game before that was against Kerry who scored 6 goals past them.  Monaghan won't score 4 goals on Sunday but they might get two.  They didn't get any the last time they played Tyrone.

Monaghan were desperately open at the back against Armagh and the same against Donegal in the league, conceding 20 points in each. Tyrone won't be as open as Armagh were and therefore Monaghan cannot be allowing them the chances to waltz up the field and score points under zero pressure.  I think they can play more defensive football if the game demands it.

Tyrone are favourites and the pressure is off Monaghan.  There is something about them this year - a bit of the good, the bad, and the ugly! Some great forward play, scoring goals for fun; pulling games out of the fire; playing poorly and still winning and a bit of gamesmanship / cuteness where its needed.  I think they'll do it.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 29, 2021, 01:29:07 PM
Monaghan don't have a good record against Tyrone in Croke Park, it's no secret, but at the same time Monaghan beat Tyrone the last 2 times they met in Ulster. The Croke Park factor is probably a bigger thing in this case, but from reading some of the previews and predictions, you'd swear Tyrone have beat them every year the last decade.

Alot of the national media is very one-sided in the analysis it seems also, alot of talk about how Tyrone can be contenders and building up their chances against Kerry/Dublin, but I think they're way off that tbh. Their attacking options are being lauded, while ignoring the Monaghan attack being as prolific as ever, with more goals being scored as I can remember. Practically every player on the pitch is comfortable at taking a score at this stage. Most of the Monaghan analysis is negative, based around how open we are at the back - that part is true tbf, but this has also been the case for Tyrone and Donegal this year - they've been giving up loads of chances this year. I certainly wouldn't be expecting a repeat of the Armagh performance for Monaghan, but I'd say they'd fancy their chances of taking a couple of goal chances.

All in all I think it's fair enough for Tyrone to be marginal favorites, but there's not nearly as much in it as some people would have you believe. It could well come down to who can keep a clean sheet, or take more goal chances. We've been getting plenty of practice in terms of scoring goals this year, but we'll definitely need to shore up the defence if we want to win. Not easy, but very doable.

Whoever the winner is, I wouldn't fancy their chances against Kerry at all tbh. Neither team is tight enough at the back to hold out against that attack.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 01:55:28 PM
Which makes the Kerry game absolutely irrelevant and this game absolutely stand alone important. It is an Ulster final on its own merits between the best 2 teams in Ulster this year and on Saturday there will be nobody looking or caring at what Kerry are bringing in the semi final.. From a Tyrone perspective it feels like the 80s/ 90s all over again.  Unless you are an eejit this game is 50/50 on the day and is all about the Anglo Celt cup, both teams are playing great football and if anything Monaghan are the more settled and steady team. But sure we will give it a lash....
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
Tyrone have always had the edge over Monaghan in croke Park. I see no different this wkend
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on July 29, 2021, 05:48:37 PM
Tyrone have always had the edge over Monaghan in croke Park. I see no different this wkend

Under Mickey Harte they had.

Four provincial winners of Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone has that ever happened before? The last 2 times Monaghan won Ulster the other 3 provincial winners was Dublin, Kerry, Mayo.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 29, 2021, 05:51:06 PM
The main basis for a lot of  the predictions is that Tyrone will win because they always beat Monaghan in Croke Park. But how many times have they actually played each other there in championship, it can't have actually been that many. I remember the infamous Cavanagh rugby tackle on McManus to save the match for Tyrone and the semi final win in 2018 when Monaghan missed a few chances at the death but I don't recall many others. If there were others they can't be all that relevant to the current teams. I think Monaghan are being largely written off in this match by the media which will suit them just fine.   
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 29, 2021, 06:03:35 PM
Monaghan don't have a good record against Tyrone in Croke Park, it's no secret, but at the same time Monaghan beat Tyrone the last 2 times they met in Ulster. The Croke Park factor is probably a bigger thing in this case, but from reading some of the previews and predictions, you'd swear Tyrone have beat them every year the last decade.

Alot of the national media is very one-sided in the analysis it seems also, alot of talk about how Tyrone can be contenders and building up their chances against Kerry/Dublin, but I think they're way off that tbh. Their attacking options are being lauded, while ignoring the Monaghan attack being as prolific as ever, with more goals being scored as I can remember. Practically every player on the pitch is comfortable at taking a score at this stage. Most of the Monaghan analysis is negative, based around how open we are at the back - that part is true tbf, but this has also been the case for Tyrone and Donegal this year - they've been giving up loads of chances this year. I certainly wouldn't be expecting a repeat of the Armagh performance for Monaghan, but I'd say they'd fancy their chances of taking a couple of goal chances.

All in all I think it's fair enough for Tyrone to be marginal favorites, but there's not nearly as much in it as some people would have you believe. It could well come down to who can keep a clean sheet, or take more goal chances. We've been getting plenty of practice in terms of scoring goals this year, but we'll definitely need to shore up the defence if we want to win. Not easy, but very doable.

Whoever the winner is, I wouldn't fancy their chances against Kerry at all tbh. Neither team is tight enough at the back to hold out against that attack.

Spot on. Very little in it and who ever wins will unfortunately be no match for kerry. I said at the start of the year under the new management tyrone should aim for winning ulster. If they do that I will be delighted. People are getting a bit too caught up in tyrone attacking options when they in reality can't seem to score goals. While the defence leaks goals in most games.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: skeog on July 29, 2021, 06:11:40 PM
Banty is playing it low key no media interviews unlike before.55/50 game and whoever wins will provide Kerry with a stiff enough task imo.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: bigfrank on July 29, 2021, 06:35:12 PM
Whatís the story with stout in Dublin at the weekend,asking for a friend 😉 will you be able to get a beer before the game in the usual places,in a beer garden or something??? Will the bars in croke park be open,had read somewhere online that they wouldnít beÖ.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: scout on July 29, 2021, 06:47:27 PM
Was asking this question myself. Will be down in Dublin, and donít have a ticket right now, so looking somewhere thatíd be showing it outdoor.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 29, 2021, 07:44:07 PM
Whatís the story with stout in Dublin at the weekend,asking for a friend 😉 will you be able to get a beer before the game in the usual places,in a beer garden or something??? Will the bars in croke park be open,had read somewhere online that they wouldnít beÖ.

They weren't open for the Connacht final anyway, doubt it'll be any different this weekend
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 29, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
Was asking this question myself. Will be down in Dublin, and donít have a ticket right now, so looking somewhere thatíd be showing it outdoor.

Most pubs will be open fully this coming weekend, but you may need proof of vaccination. There won't be an issue finding a pub showing the game, including outside.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 29, 2021, 08:17:37 PM
I think Ďwet pubsí opened up fully on Monday past in the south with proof of vaccination. Not sure if this will include inside the stadium or not.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 29, 2021, 08:29:33 PM
I think Ďwet pubsí opened up fully on Monday past in the south with proof of vaccination. Not sure if this will include inside the stadium or not.

Yes, in theory they 'could', but a lot weren't ready due to staff shortages, etc., in practice. Doesn't look like either food or drink, however, will be available in Croke this coming weekend.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: scout on July 29, 2021, 09:08:54 PM
Only have the 1 vaccine myself, so itís outdoors for myself!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 29, 2021, 09:37:11 PM
Only have the 1 vaccine myself, so itís outdoors for myself!

The Living Room (just off O'Connell Street) should be good (for external screens), plus there's the Woolshed on Parnell Street, also has outside screens for sport.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 29, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
Only have the 1 vaccine myself, so itís outdoors for myself!

The Living Room (just off O'Connell Street) should be good (for external screens), plus there's the Woolshed on Parnell Street, also has outside screens for sport.
Is there a  Dublin pub you haven't been inside?
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on July 29, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
Only have the 1 vaccine myself, so itís outdoors for myself!

The Living Room (just off O'Connell Street) should be good (for external screens), plus there's the Woolshed on Parnell Street, also has outside screens for sport.
Is there a  Dublin pub you haven't been inside?

Dublin is a wee bit bigger than Clontibret, you know!  :P
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: Main Street on July 30, 2021, 02:22:03 AM
Only have the 1 vaccine myself, so itís outdoors for myself!

The Living Room (just off O'Connell Street) should be good (for external screens), plus there's the Woolshed on Parnell Street, also has outside screens for sport.
Is there a  Dublin pub you haven't been inside?

Dublin is a wee bit bigger than Clontibret, you know!  :P
Where on earth did you get the idea that I'm from Clontibret?  I have corrected you on that before, the excess drinking must be doing stuff to your brain cells.
Ballybay it is.






Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 30, 2021, 08:19:13 AM
Ballybay for drinking tae.
Title: Re: Ulster Championship 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 30, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
The main basis for a lot of  the predictions is that Tyrone will win b