Six County Census Results 2021

[armaghniac]

A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.

Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't  totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin  at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to  southern people they are Irish .

I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..

Genuinely not sure about that.
Trinity actually have certain courses the ones with over 600 needed with spaces for (NI) students because 4 astars only gets 600
Or whatever the score is .

Do a Maths A-Level and you can get more than 600 points.

Exactly.

[Milltown Row2]

Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff 

He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..

Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.

There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
         Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones

Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.

Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU

[armaghniac]

Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff 

He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..

Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.

There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
         Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones

Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.

Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU

Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.

[Milltown Row2]

Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff 

He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..

Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.

There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
         Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones

Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.

Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU

Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.

I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad

[naka]

Maybe she /he didn't get the grades to get in
Just saying !

[Main Street]

Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff 

He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..

Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.

There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
         Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones

Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.

Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU

Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.

I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad

He said, she said.  you're spouting vague remembered nonsense, unless you could  offer actual evidence to support this apparent nonsense about Northern born  Irish not regarded in the same light as southern Irish. The rules of admission to 3rd level courses in Ireland  treat all Irish born as having at least the same opportunity to apply for courses according to the points criteria.

But that doesn't quite rhyme with the tired refrain of nordie irish mopery,  being treated like 2nd class Irish in their own country,  following a 100 years of neglect and abandonment

[Hound]

Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff 

He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..

Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.

There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
         Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones

Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.

Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU

Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.

I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad

I don't know if you're a liar or if she's a liar, but one of you is.

Nationality is completely and utterly irrelevant to DCU entry.
There are two categories, those who did the Leaving Certificate and those who didn't. Entry criteria are set for both. You either meet those or you don't, nationality has zero impact. There are thousands of southern Irish who go to Britain for university because they couldn't get their desired place in Ireland as they didn't get the points

[Milltown Row2]

N only telling you this as he told me, I'd not have known this only he was interested in where my daughter was staying.

Btw I know at least 2 students who are in trinity this year one doing medicine

[Wildweasel74]

Remember many yrs ago trying to apply to some tech in Dublin after A-Levels, couldn't get in cause I hadn't Irish GCSE. Ended up Jordanstown via Newcastle at the finish.

[brokencrossbar1]

A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!

Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?

This wasn't in the census but in the new school enrolment details for September. Essentially 50 % of 4-5 year olds were catholic. All voters by 2035,  could we wait till then?  There'll be 2 GEs north and south at least by the next census you'd have to think if SF built in the north and south and the trends in the current census maintain then there can only be one outcome

[grounded]

A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.

Them and the brit passport crew who only changed to beat the queue. We are miles off winning a referendum

Does miles= a generation? Or 10 years? Because I think the latter is more likely in terms of winning a UI referendum.
         I get what you are saying re: the Brit passport crew, but there are way too many variables or unknowns at this stage to predict anything. Who In their right mind would ever have thought that the English(and they made up the bulk of the pro brexit uk population) would vote for Brexit? 
         The Brexit factor alone has given a huge boost to both the Scottish ind and UI referendum hopes. In fact Scottish independence would also give a huge boost to a UI referendum. Watching the car crash of the UK economy under the conservatives will be another.
          Interesting to look at the polls for Scottish independence referendum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1666645/scottish-independence-polls-25-years-devolution-nicola-sturgeon-snp-indyref2-spt
     Huge swings, but inevitability heading one way eventually. Brexit will hopefully be the final push needed.
 
For me the argument for a UI hasn't even begun yet. At the end of the day there will only be 2 options on a United Ireland referendum yes or no( not Irish, northern irish, British, etc. I will be voting yes, because a UI makes perfect sense no matter what argument is put to me,  but others will have to be persuaded.

     

[seafoid]

What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?

[JPGJOHNNYG]

A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!

Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?

This wasn't in the census but in the new school enrolment details for September. Essentially 50 % of 4-5 year olds were catholic. All voters by 2035,  could we wait till then?  There'll be 2 GEs north and south at least by the next census you'd have to think if SF built in the north and south and the trends in the current census maintain then there can only be one outcome

The school breakdown is released every year and has been 50% - 35%. For about the last 10 yrs. We have all known these census results have been coming except the DUP and the newsletter

[trailer]

What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?

I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.

[armaghniac]

What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?

I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.

You might think the Alliance rep is a good one. You should not be precluding from voting for a good MLA or Coumcillor on the basis that this will prevent a border poll, otherwise every election becomes even more of the them and us than at present.