https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58255106
This is going to get messy, any Donegal people have any inside info on it? Will the game be replayed?
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 18, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58255106
This is going to get messy, any Donegal people have any inside info on it? Will the game be replayed?
The ref and his assistants could be the scapegoat, not sure if they could\did used a blood sub or actual subs, so many different ways to fight this for both clubs, ultimately it's the clubs sec who's at fault, he has to ensure, especially in a club final, all processes are carried out correctly.
It'll go to the county CCC then Ulster then National
Will this year's Donegal SFC go ahead or will they wait until this is finished? The timeline is tight for Ulster club.
I feel for the administrators who will receive the backlash over this. The fairest thing would be to replay it if there has been a mistake.
The fairest thing is to replay but that can't happen according to the rules. If Glenties are found to have broken a rule then they'll be thrown out and the game awarded to Kilcar.
I've heard that the illegal substitution had a big impact on the game and also scored a penalty.
The full story is pretty much out there. Extra sub was made - he scored a penalty. Hopefully they'll replay it.
Leaving aside the rules indiscretion, it is a horrible way to decide a county championship on a penalty shoot out especially since there aren't the same time constraints in needing to send forward a county representative to the provincial championship.
Amateurish
Too many subs not game forfeit? Happened in a senior championship game in leister a few yrs bck, can't remember the team. Not sure if it was replayed. Don't think it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
Too many subs not game forfeit? Happened in a senior championship game in leister a few yrs bck, can't remember the team. Not sure if it was replayed. Don't think it.
Armagh vs Laois a few years back was replayed. And we got embarrassed again.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 18, 2021, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
Too many subs not game forfeit? Happened in a senior championship game in leister a few yrs bck, can't remember the team. Not sure if it was replayed. Don't think it.
Armagh vs Laois a few years back was replayed. And we got embarrassed again.
The only thing embarrassing about it was HQ gave Laois a re-match. And at home!
Did it not happen in a Munster final maybe Cork v Limerick years ago too.
I thought where replays happened in similar circumstances, it was always because the other team offered the replay rather than accepting the walkover. Not the GAA ordering the replay. But i can't remember the Armagh Laois case specifically
The subs position can get confusing, especially factoring in that blood subs don't count until/unless made permanent and that subs made between end of normal time and beginning of extra time don't count.
Quote from: the_daddy on August 19, 2021, 09:24:23 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 19, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
I thought where replays happened in similar circumstances, it was always because the other team offered the replay rather than accepting the walkover. Not the GAA ordering the replay. But i can't remember the Armagh Laois case specifically
The subs position can get confusing, especially factoring in that blood subs don't count until/unless made permanent and that subs made between end of normal time and beginning of extra time don't count.
It definitely can get confusing when a game is frantic - I thought Mayo made 4 subs in extra time on Saturday evening!
I remember one year, the Dubs made 6 subs in a semi v Mayo (when 5 was the max). I had counted 6 at the time, and thought I must be wrong. But then checked the papers the following day, and they all listed 6. Nobody was commenting on it, but I was sure it was only a matter of time before Mayo realized and Dubs were thrown out.
But turns out a Dublin defender went off with a blood injury. I think it was early in the second half and I think it was O'Carroll. He never reappeared and his substitution didn't count because it was temporary. Even though factually it was permanent, but those were the rules!
Who verifies that when a blood sub occurs, that the player coming off, actually is bleeding? Do the officials check this?
It could be open to abuse if it wasn't checked.
I'm surprised nobody has tried the sachet of tomato sauce yet.
Did Leicester Tigers do something with red sauce?.
It was some kind of blood capsule or something. I think it was a bit more refined than red sauce but same principle lol.
Got in a lot of trouble for it too.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 19, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
Who verifies that when a blood sub occurs, that the player coming off, actually is bleeding? Do the officials check this?
It could be open to abuse if it wasn't checked.
I'm surprised nobody has tried the sachet of tomato sauce yet.
I believe there is a provision for head injuries now too. I could be stating the obvious, not sure!
Common sense, for me a 'blood' sub can be a temporary assessment of whether that player can come back on, in a championship final you need a good fourth official who's recording the subs throughout the game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 19, 2021, 10:15:35 AM
It was some kind of blood capsule or something. I think it was a bit more refined than red sauce but same principle lol.
Got in a lot of trouble for it too.
Did they not take it 1 a stage further and actually cut the player in the privacy of the changing room?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Common sense, for me a 'blood' sub can be a temporary assessment of whether that player can come back on, in a championship final you need a good fourth official who's recording the subs throughout the game.
AFAIK it is the total responsible of the teams to record substitutions.
Quote from: LeoMc on August 20, 2021, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 19, 2021, 10:15:35 AM
It was some kind of blood capsule or something. I think it was a bit more refined than red sauce but same principle lol.
Got in a lot of trouble for it too.
Did they not take it 1 a stage further and actually cut the player in the privacy of the changing room?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodgate
look up the pictures, like an episode of the rocky horror show
Quote from: skeog on August 19, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
Did Leicester Tigers do something with red sauce?.
No it was Harlequins vs Leinster in Heineken cup
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 20, 2021, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Common sense, for me a 'blood' sub can be a temporary assessment of whether that player can come back on, in a championship final you need a good fourth official who's recording the subs throughout the game.
AFAIK it is the total responsible of the teams to record substitutions.
It is, but in the chaos of extra time, penalties and the emotion from the supporters these things get lost on the line, a good fourth official or club Sec would be keeping count.
I try and note every sub coming on, and tally them at the start and finish. I'd done a game where at the end the slips were just washed away ink due to torrential rain, couldn't tell ya how many came on
Donegal SFC: 2020 final to be replayed following successful Kilcar objection - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58379370
Quote from: Estimator on August 29, 2021, 10:18:59 PM
Donegal SFC: 2020 final to be replayed following successful Kilcar objection - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58379370
Rematch in Portlaoise?
NC appeal succesful. The whole process with the Kilcar objection will need to start again. Sure we'll get it finished in 2023 ...
Quote from: StephenC on September 05, 2021, 09:42:49 AM
NC appeal succesful. The whole process with the Kilcar objection will need to start again. Sure we'll get it finished in 2023 ...
Seems exceedingly petty on the part of NC. They are not arguing about the rules they broke, just a paperwork issue that means Kilcar has to just go through the process again. I'd have thought NC would have been happy with the replay given the county board could easily have awarded the game to Kilcar