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#1
Quote from: Manning18 on January 01, 1970, 05:45:37 AMOutside of occasionally Armagh and Dublin, no football teams fans can really hold a candle to Munster hurling teams at the moment

Not really fair comparing with the completely different setup in hurling.

The football provincials are not much more than a warm-up before the serious business starts with the group stages.

The Munster hurling round-robin has real jeopardy with every single game being critical given 40% of the teams taking part will be finished for the summer in a few weeks (and possibly even sooner depending on how results go).
#2
Quote from: galwayman on April 20, 2024, 11:56:47 PMWhat I just can't get my head around re this Galway team are the things that we have been poor at/areas we have been weak in for a long time now seem to not even have been worked on.

Kickouts firstly. The "plan" if you can call it that goes like this...
If the opposition don't have a full press and leave one of our full back line free - Gleeson will tap it to them. If the opposition don't leave said corner back free  he literally boots it as far down the field as possible and hopes for the best.
I was watching it very closely today and there was absolutely no deviation from this for the whole game.
Nothing innovative that you would see from other teams who seem able to manufacture space to retain their own kick outs.
And the length of time he takes to actually get the ball on the tee and get the kick away is junior C stuff.

Secondly - the speed of our transition from defence to attack off turnover ball is ridiculously slow.
We slow it down, go backwards and sideways etc. instead of getting bodies bombing forward at pace to take advantage of a disorganised defence. Instead we give them all the time in the world to get organised and start our slow ponderous build up play again.

It's shocking that we're still struggling in these areas of our game.

The fact that these two issues have been ongoing through Joyce's time in charge is a damming indictment.
#3
Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMBut we were worryingly outmanoeuvred today.
Donegal had done their homework and exploited the opportunities, we failed to react and adapt.



The bit about "failing to react and adapt" in a game just leapt out at me as I'm sure a lot of Tyrone and Louth folk would agree on it being a common theme in games lost under Harte.

Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMI'd disagree with screen on our attacking play, imo we lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there. Barely won a breaking ball either.

I would put a lot of this down to Donegal's defensive approach - I haven't watched the game back but I'd be willing to put money that Donegal's setup and tactics were all about denying Derry goal chances. This is a Derry team that have built so many of their victories off scoring goals and denying them chances would be a key platform of Donegal's approach - I think the stuff mentioned "lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there." was most likely as a result of Donegal's defensive setup. No better man than McGuinness to look at what worked for this Derry team previously in terms of creating goal chances and setting up his side to counter-act this.

Quote from: onefineday on April 21, 2024, 02:17:51 AMThe rest should do us good and the seeding is largely irrelevant as has been discussed ad nauseum. Better to have 4 weeks off than 2 more games where you could still end up as a losing provincial finalist, meaning you cannot draw the Munster or Leinster finalists, who will be the weakest teams in the competition.

Just to clarify the losing Ulster provincial finalist can't draw any of the the losing provincial finalists, they will also be in a group with the one of the other winning provincial finalists
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: Standard of Refs
April 11, 2024, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2024, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 10, 2024, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: Walter White on April 10, 2024, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 10, 2024, 04:51:35 PMOn point 2, I would make it compulsory everyone who receives a red card will not be eligible to play until they sit a rule test and get at least 80%.

I would make the standard referee test compulsory for every member registering via Foireann. With Referees having to get 80+%, Players should have to get 70%, normal members 60%. At the very least, it may force spectators to actually read the rule book in some sort of depth. I too have players querying the rules after games. Currently, the most common is the 4 step rule after an unclaimed mark.

Players 70% and ref's 80%...are you serious? Surely people know the rules of their games, never mind refs? At most there's a tweak here and there, it's not hard to keep up, surely?

Quote from: JoG2 on April 10, 2024, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: Walter White on April 10, 2024, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 10, 2024, 04:51:35 PMOn point 2, I would make it compulsory everyone who receives a red card will not be eligible to play until they sit a rule test and get at least 80%.

I would make the standard referee test compulsory for every member registering via Foireann. With Referees having to get 80+%, Players should have to get 70%, normal members 60%. At the very least, it may force spectators to actually read the rule book in some sort of depth. I too have players querying the rules after games. Currently, the most common is the 4 step rule after an unclaimed mark.

Players 70% and ref's 80%...are you serious? Surely people know the rules of their games, never mind refs? At most there's a tweak here and there, it's not hard to keep up, surely?

It's clear that a vast percentage of people including players/mamagers/pundits/spectators have a very poor knowledge of the rules. I've been at multiple matches where people shouting at the ref clearly don't know the rules. Most of the time I stay schtum but on occasion I've shut a few up by shouting the actual rule at them and why the ref made the correct decision.
 
If you ask GAA people (outside referees) how many of them have ever read the GAA rulebook (I've done this a fair bit over the years) chances are you will only find a tiny fraction of a percentage who have ever read it. Then of those who have ever read it, the amount who have read the most up-to-date version is close to zero.

I never read it myself until after I stopped playing and I would say that it the case for the overwhelming majority of players. The GAA could help out massively if they put a proper system in place to educate people (especially players) on the rules as they currently stand.

#5
QuoteCasement Park: Tenders for redevelopment to go out within days
Construction must begin by Christmas to be included in Euros

By Connla Young
March 29, 2024 at 6:00AM GMT
A Stormont department is expected to invite tenders for the redevelopment of Casement Park within days, the Irish News understands.

The Department for Communities (DfC) , which is leading the redevelopment, is expected to contact potential bidders next week.

The development comes as the clock continues to count down for the beleaguered project.

The proposed 34,500 capacity Casement Park stadium is included in the joint Ireland/Britain bid to host Euro 2028 and concerns have previously been raised over whether its redevelopment will be completed in time.


It is understood work must begin before Christmas if the deadline is to be met.


In 2013 Herron Brothers and English construction firm Buckingham Group, were appointed to redevelop the landmark GAA ground.

However, the project received a setback last August when Buckingham Group gave notice of its intention to appoint administrators.

It later went into administration owing more than £108m.

In November last year DfC confirmed it was taking the lead in the hunt for a new contractor after Co Derry-based Heron Brothers was forced to withdraw from the multi-million pound project "due to technical restrictions within the Public Contract Regulations".

At the time DfC officials said a streamlined process would be pursued using "existing procurement frameworks for major construction projects with pre-qualified contractors".

It later told the Irish News that the Regional Stadia Programme project team are "engaging with Crown Commercial Services on utilising a National Framework to procure a contractor for the main works".

It is understood the framework included around 20 firms with the capacity to build the landmark west Belfast stadium.

It is believed that of that number around half have signaled an interest in the project, although not all may submit a formal tender.

To date DfC officials have remained tight lipped about the procurement process.

Initially budgeted at £77 million, it is now estimated the delayed building project will cost around £220m to complete, with the GAA set to pick up just £15m of the total.

Last month the Irish government pledged €50m to the project.

Many have looked to the British government to make up the shortfall, but it has so far failed to publicly commit any more cash despite assurances by Secretary of State Chris Heaton-Harris that the money will be found to build the stadium.

Last month contractors were brought into the sight to begin clearing work.

The work began days before a delegation from UAEFA visited Belfast, including the Casement Park site.

DfC was contacted.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/tenders-for-the-redevelopment-of-casement-park-to-go-out-within-days-KIABTKTO3FFULAXXMEH3RBJC7Y/

#6
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 31, 2024, 04:41:30 PM
Level at the half but feels a bit like Derry just hanging in there level by their fingernails. Dublin v wasteful - feel like they are not firing on all cyclinders whereas Derry feel like they have performed at full pelt to go in level. Don't think Derry will be able to sustain it.

Absolutely awful goal to concede - goalies punching the ball straight out the field is madness in GAA - if it's not a goal chance it nearly guarantees a point for the opposition.
#7
Laois v Leitrim - Laois by 5
Down v Westmeath - Down by 5

Donegal v Armagh - Armagh by 3
Derry v Dublin - Dublin by 11
#8
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 22, 2024, 11:26:55 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.

Wise up and get the blinkers off. He  changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.


Not even a two match ban - he only got a one match ban.

Meanwhile the "positive" news on Foley is that he won't miss the entire season but will be out for a good stretch.

"It's unlikely he'll take any part in the Munster Championship this year but after that, we'd be hopeful enough that he'll see some action," said Kerry selector Diarmuid Murphy.

That's at least 3 games he will miss for Kerry (and possibly more)

Yet another in the long list of GAA "justice" cases where the guilty person serves less time than the innocent party.
#9
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 21, 2024, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2024, 10:33:47 AMOnly a 1 match ban for Cathal Heneghan, FFS

Any truth in the rumour that his appeal has been pre-approved to save everyone the bother?

Yet more jokeshop stuff from the powers-that-be as regards foul play.
#10
Derry v Roscommon - Derry
Dublin v Tyrone - Dublin
Kerry v Galway - Kerry
Monaghan v Mayo - Monaghan

Cavan v Fermanagh - Cavan
Cork v Armagh - Armagh
Donegal v Meath - Donegal
Kildare v Louth - Louth

Antrim v Wicklow - Antrim
Down v Clare - Down
Offaly v Limerick - Offaly
Sligo v Westmeath - Westmeath

Carlow v London - Carlow
Waterford v Laois - Laois
Wexford v Longford - Longford
Leitrim v Tipperary - Leitrim
#11
Galway v Dublin - Dublin
Tyrone v Monaghan - Tyrone
Roscommon v Kerry - Kerry
Mayo v Derry - Mayo

Armagh v Cavan - Armagh
Kildare v Donegal - Donegal
Meath v Cork - Meath
Louth v Fermanagh - Louth

Wicklow v Limerick - Limerick
Clare v Antrim - Clare
Sligo v Offaly - Sligo
Westmeath v Down - Down

London v Waterford - Waterford
Laois v Leitrim - Laois
Tipperary v Wexford - Wexford
Longford v Carlow - Longford
#12
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 02, 2024, 07:16:58 PM
Anyone missing the Cavan Meath game is not exactly missing much. Quality is only fair at best so far.
A point apiece after 15 minutes.
#13
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 01, 2024, 11:54:02 PMBut you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

You do realise there is a far larger maintenance cost associated to all the above than some bog basic terraced stadium? Since the stadium is constructed at a similar price to the GAA regardless of whether its all-singing or basic, its the on going maintenance costs I'm concerned with.

For instance, those (unneeded) additional areas do not require upkeep, you don't need to periodically check the wiring, fire alarms etc on rooms that don't exist, nor do you need to clean them. Cleaning of terracing after games requires a fraction of the time. You've no seats to replace on terracing.

In the 2019 financial report - first one I got on google - Croke park had a stadium & admin expense of ~€6.2m. Heat/Light/Power was an additional €1m. Staff costs were ~€2.8m.

That is approx €10m to run the stadium. The latter two would be more direct functions of how many events are on - so will disregard them. If we reasonably assume that the stadium/admin costs are directly related to size, then Casement would be approx 40% Croke's maintenance cost - or €2.6m in 2019 prices.

So Ulster Council will need to raise somewhere in the region of €2.6m (2019 prices) after direct operating costs just to upkeep the stadium.

In 2019, Croke had 28 games and 3 concerts to deliver a gross income of around €29m. (total expenses to do that were €17m. We'll remove the "fixed" €~6.2m I mentioned above from this)

So they made approx €580k per game. We'll not factor by size to be favourable to Casement. It still means Ulster council need to fill or nearly fill Casement 4.5 times a year just to keep the stadium.

Needless to say, they won't be able to do this.



It. Doesn't. Fukking. Add. Up.


(Unless of course, there is an open admission that the Ulster Council are actually building a concert venue that they may occasionally let hold a football or hurling match.)


This is the exact problem that is killing PuC -  The Cork County Board had the same idea that concerts would be used to save their bacon - it worked for them in the 70s with the original stadium but that hasn't worked out for them this time around. Trying to payback debt when the stadium is making an ongoing loss is killing them. At the lastCork AGM they announced that the most "optimistic" estimate on when Cork County Board will be debt free is 2048.

As to the source for the estimated 308 million costs, this article is the original source and it's worth a read especially what Heaton-Harris has to say which given he is the one in London who said it would be built aren't exactly the best in terms of the vibes.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2024-03-01/stormont-officials-outline-cost-of-casement-rebuild-in-leaked-letter
#14
On the UEFA requirements adding significant costs - I did see either a document or an article somewhere back when PuC was at the planning stage about how much extra meeting UEFA requirements would add to the cost and even back then it was a massive amount for the PUC project -  I can't remember the figure but from what I do recall it wasn't far off doubling the cost of the entire project. I want to say something like €50m million back when the PUC project was around the €70 million mark. I remember seeing it and knowing there was no chance PuC would ever meet the UEFA requirements. Also from what I remember a lot of the UEFA requirements were stuff that would be of no benefit to the GAA - there had to be a massive facility for the media and also there was a big requirement for corporate entertaining - from what I remember it was way way beyond what PuC would ever need even accounting for the wildest estimates of the Cork County Board.

Also I'd imagine that in any budget the hard deadline of the Euros would add a significant percentage to the overall cost.

If the Euro 2028 requirements were dropped I could see it saving a significant amount of the total cost. However if that was the case I could see London not being willing to contribute much if anything to the budget.
#15
GAA Discussion / Re: The Advanced Mark
February 29, 2024, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 09:45:46 PMWhy not have a 5 second rule rather than using steps

The actual wording of the current rule is

Quotewhen a playeris in possession of the ball it may be : carried in the hand for a maximum of four consecutive steps or held in the hand for no longer than the time needed to take four steps.

Yet more evidence for the no-one actually botthers to read the GAA rulebook pile.