Leinster Senior Football Championship 2021

[AnGaelGearmanach]

Dublin were rattled. Dessie Farrell isnt the one folks.

[JoG2]

For once Dublin were a little complacent. It won't happen again this championship. They're probably in a better position now than walking another Leinster Championship

[AnGaelGearmanach]

For once Dublin were a little complacent. It won't happen again this championship. They're probably in a better position now than walking another Leinster Championship

Do you think they will walk the AI?

[Cunny Funt]

For once Dublin were a little complacent. It won't happen again this championship. They're probably in a better position now than walking another Leinster Championship

Don't think it's anything to do with complacency. Their form in the league and the two championship games has been iffy. They had simliar form in 2012, just doing enough to see past Laois, Wexford and Meath before Mayo took them out.

[Hound]

I wouldn't be pointing the finger at Dessie at all. I'm sure if you go onto Dubs fan sites, you'll see that starting already, but it's lazy analysis.

Dessie did superb to win an All Ireland after the crescendo of the 5 in a row.  The 5 was the aim. Regardless of what the camp said, that was the goal. For Dessie to get them to go again was excellent management. Even if he never wins another one, he can take great credit for that.

The simple answer is the players we've lost over the last 3 years have been replaced with inferior players. Despite the nonsense that people come up with as the reason the Dubs are so good, the games developlment funding did not produce Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion etc (especially as the GDOs never coach elite players at club level!) and the funding doesn't produce clones of them when they finish!

We will always have promising players on the bench, due to pure numbers and the quality of our club game. Because of our numbers we've a better chance of getting a special player. And in recent years Con and Howard have added to what already was the best team. But nothing like that coming in the immediate horizon. Archer could be a special freetaker, which is always good to have, but (and I'd love to be wrong here) I don't think he has the attributes to make it at intercounty level apart from the free taking. And nobody else in that U21 team will set senior intercounty alight either.

So now team has 2 or 3 unproven lads in the starting line up, with a subs bench who won't really improve the team (and certainly won't frighten the opposition the way previous benches did). We're still the team to beat - any team with Fenton, Kilkenny, Howard, McCarthy, Con will take a bit of beating.

Not sure Kildare are the team to test us. They certainly have some great talent (although will some of their important players be missing?). They'd need a good start, and to have it absolutely drilled into them not to put the head down if they concede a goal

[Wildweasel74]

Kildare not test you but Mayo will

[yellowcard]

Kildare not test you but Mayo will

It will be like Mayweather fighting Pacquiao about 5 years too late when both sides are long past their best. Dublin will still beat Kildare but will Mayo even get past Galway?

[JoG2]

For once Dublin were a little complacent. It won't happen again this championship. They're probably in a better position now than walking another Leinster Championship

Don't think it's anything to do with complacency. Their form in the league and the two championship games has been iffy. They had simliar form in 2012, just doing enough to see past Laois, Wexford and Meath before Mayo took them out.

Just feel the hornets nest has been poked. Their panel is full of winners, still seriously strong in a sectors and will improve game on game from here on. Will win the Leinster handy enough and bulldoze their way to another title... imo

[larryin89]

Even if Dublin get beaten this year the structure remains unchanged. They can build another team and dominate again.
The system sucks

what like all top teams in all sports , how many top tennis players win tournaments , golfers etc etc, i dont know what kind of airy fairy world you live in.

The natural advantages should not be tampered with the unnatural ones should be but you can blame the likes of meath for that , not a word ever about taking a championship game to navan or newbridge in leinster v dublin . Youve the likes of sean boylan talking scutter about croke park is where they want to play , well comere and ill tell sean mr voodoo medicine if that game was in navan yesterday in normal times with a big hostile home support giving the dubs their fill , meath would of won , ya big ham ya.

[Captain Obvious]

Dessie did superb to win an All Ireland after the crescendo of the 5 in a row.  The 5 was the aim. Regardless of what the camp said, that was the goal. For Dessie to get them to go again was excellent management. Even if he never wins another one, he can take great credit for that.

Teams Dublin beat to win the All-Ireland last year

Laois, Meath, Cavan and Mayo side off the back of Div 1 relegation. Let's be honest of the 6 in a row titles that was the easiest on paper and grass to win by Dublin.

[seafoid]

Even if Dublin get beaten this year the structure remains unchanged. They can build another team and dominate again.
The system sucks

what like all top teams in all sports , how many top tennis players win tournaments , golfers etc etc, i dont know what kind of airy fairy world you live in.

The natural advantages should not be tampered with the unnatural ones should be but you can blame the likes of meath for that , not a word ever about taking a championship game to navan or newbridge in leinster v dublin . Youve the likes of sean boylan talking scutter about croke park is where they want to play , well comere and ill tell sean mr voodoo medicine if that game was in navan yesterday in normal times with a big hostile home support giving the dubs their fill , meath would of won , ya big ham ya.

Tennis and golf are pro. GAA is not.
Even pro team sports make an effort to be competitive.
The GAA does not.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/meath-comeback-falls-short-as-dublin-struggle-to-six-point-win-1.4624115

If anyone needed solid evidence of the decline in the champions' composure this season, it could be glimpsed in the familiar, 'hands up,' keep-ball routine that they rolled out to stall the momentum of many a team.
On Sunday after the second water break it was all a bit aimless and the patient passing movements brought to nothing when poorly conceived wides were kicked on more than one occasion.

[Blowitupref]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/meath-comeback-falls-short-as-dublin-struggle-to-six-point-win-1.4624115

If anyone needed solid evidence of the decline in the champions’ composure this season, it could be glimpsed in the familiar, ‘hands up,’ keep-ball routine that they rolled out to stall the momentum of many a team.
On Sunday after the second water break it was all a bit aimless and the patient passing movements brought to nothing when poorly conceived wides were kicked on more than one occasion.

Dublin showed plenty of composure with their keep-ball routine in the 5 minutes of injury time, Meath players was left to chase around in the heat while supporters booed it.

[thejuice]

Dublin remind me a bit of Meath in the early 90's past their absolute peak but still able to find a way to win without performing 100%. Doing the right thing when it really counts.

And similarly to that Meath team Dessie has a job of building a new team, it won't be enough if he tries to just maintain Jim Gavins legacy, he needs to put his own stamp on things and build a team of his own. They are still very formidable but Meath gave them far too much room in the first half.

Dublin might have eased off a bit but there was a plausible chance of them getting caught out, like had Morris been a bit more composed with his point taking or if Ronan Jones looked to slot his shot low to the corner rather than blasting it at Comerford.

[Ohtoohtobe]

Not sure Kildare are the team to test us. They certainly have some great talent (although will some of their important players be missing?). They'd need a good start, and to have it absolutely drilled into them not to put the head down if they concede a goal

Feely is definitely out, on top of the loss of Cribbin earlier in the season. I'm assuming Doyle has done his hamstring and also won't play. That's three big players and probably kills our chances of making the game competitive.