Rule Changes

Started by APM, May 18, 2021, 04:04:30 PM

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thewobbler

Really not sure about that Johnny.

A by-the-book referee usually makes football unwatchable, for anytime a ball carrier gets tackled at half speed or more it's regarded a foul. It's just boring to watch and besides if we want to play/watch a non-contact ball sport, soccer is already fulfilling that need.

This would have to be worse again in hurling, given that a by-the-book indiscretion in anything up to 70% of the field will likely result in a point conceded.

I don't like watching free taking contests myself.

didlyi

Agreed Johnny. Its the mindset that needs to change. Fouling is being mistaken for manly hurling. The truth is you wouldn't dare put a hand where players put them now when the game was truly manly. Hurlers have a hurl to do the tackling. In football the tackle involves the use of hands so from that perspective there will always be more borderline offenses and IMO will always be more difficult to officiate.

Rossfan

If implementing the rule book would make a game unwatchable is it not time to remove a whole scatter of fouls from said rulebook?
As it is we're hiding behind the "let it flow" refs who choose to ignore a load of fouls in a game.
Or we could maybe start by implementing the 4 step rule in football and the throw rule in the Hurley stuff.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for

johnnycool

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for

100%.
That's why hurling needs a reset as these fouls, the spare arm tackle have now been accepted as part of the game. This isn't a recent thing, it happened as far back as the mid 00's.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for

100%.
That's why hurling needs a reset as these fouls, the spare arm tackle have now been accepted as part of the game. This isn't a recent thing, it happened as far back as the mid 00's.

It was dual players that brought that into the game Johnny  ;)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for

100%.
That's why hurling needs a reset as these fouls, the spare arm tackle have now been accepted as part of the game. This isn't a recent thing, it happened as far back as the mid 00's.

It was dual players that brought that into the game Johnny  ;)
In Kilkenny?

rosnarun

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for
i think you hitting te naiul on the head . Its not the Rules its the desperately poor Quality of Referee that is causing issues .
Im 100% in favor of the Sean cavnanagh Rule,When It is a clear and Obvious goal chance  but Dublin got a penalty last weekend when they player was running away from Goal and players inside him.

by the same rule there would be about 5 Penos in Every Game.
the rest of the issue could easily be solved but the refs allowing legitimate tackles ,
Train the Refs don just give them a new Weapon to ruin games every time they feck up-
If you make yourself understood, you're always speaking well. Moliere

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

befair

Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for
i think you hitting te naiul on the head . Its not the Rules its the desperately poor Quality of Referee that is causing issues .
Im 100% in favor of the Sean cavnanagh Rule,When It is a clear and Obvious goal chance  but Dublin got a penalty last weekend when they player was running away from Goal and players inside him.

by the same rule there would be about 5 Penos in Every Game.
the rest of the issue could easily be solved but the refs allowing legitimate tackles ,
Train the Refs don just give them a new Weapon to ruin games every time they feck up-

Yes, it's the ref's fault.......

Main Street

Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 19, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
The GAA hierarchy seem to think the whole thing is a 'product'

It's a product that needs to sell and free fests like we've seen in recent weeks in the hurling don't endear it to the paying public.

John Kiely came out and said the other day that the tackle is being refereed differently in the hurling and he got his riposte from ex referee Barry Kelly who said that other than flicking, blocking and the shoulder charge, pulling and dragging were always fouls;

""Other than hooking and blocking, the only contact that is truly legitimate remains the shoulder. Hands are going in and the player in possession is being slapped hard. It's not really a tackle. You can't dislodge the ball in hurling by tackling like in football.""

He's entirely right.

If hurling referees are beginning to implement the rules as they were meant to be then the coaches and players need to realign as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40291766.html


FWIW, I'm a big fan of the new penalty rule and sin binning. Proper defending is desperately needed back in the sport.
proper defending will return when the steps rule is enforced, throw balls are blown for
i think you hitting te naiul on the head . Its not the Rules its the desperately poor Quality of Referee that is causing issues .
Im 100% in favor of the Sean cavnanagh Rule,When It is a clear and Obvious goal chance  but Dublin got a penalty last weekend when they player was running away from Goal and players inside him.

by the same rule there would be about 5 Penos in Every Game.
the rest of the issue could easily be solved but the refs allowing legitimate tackles ,
Train the Refs don just give them a new Weapon to ruin games every time they feck up-
The Sean Cavanagh drag down is the template,  Big Sean can be proud that his legacy has endured.
I'd opine there are 3 considerations to fulfill for the full black card & penalty award,   a black card assault,  it happenend inside the 20m line and the player was  with a realistic chance of a shot on goal /one on one with the goalie.

Angelo

I thought that was a clusterfuck of refereeing performances at the weekend.

Cassidy and Hurson with two very bad performances, Cassidy in particular.
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