All the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an All Ireland in 2021

Started by TheGreatest, May 13, 2021, 11:54:54 AM

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Captain Obvious

Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
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Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park,  hard to get excited about it in that sense .

Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO

A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.

Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .

Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?

Because Kerry demand All Irelands, probably have the best footballer in the country and huge success at minors in recent year.

Obviously Dublin will be favourites but the Kerry public is very demanding. Hard to see Keane surviving unless they give Dublin a close run in Championship at the worst.

Didn't translate into U20 and U21 All Ireland success in recent years.

Three years of U20 and Kerry didn't even reach All Ireland final. 2017 was the last year of the U21 grade and it was 2008 the last time Kerry reached and won that All-Ireland.

imtommygunn

Senior players weren't allowed to play though and they had quite a few.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: imtommygunn on May 21, 2021, 05:29:44 PM
Senior players weren't allowed to play though and they had quite a few.
Biggest loss at U20 level was Clifford. U21 level 2015 to 2017 they had teams filled with minor All-Ireland winners and two of those years they didn't even win Munster.

Armagh18

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 21, 2021, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 21, 2021, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 20, 2021, 10:20:56 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 17, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park,  hard to get excited about it in that sense .

Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO

A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.

Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .

Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?

Because Kerry demand All Irelands, probably have the best footballer in the country and huge success at minors in recent year.

Obviously Dublin will be favourites but the Kerry public is very demanding. Hard to see Keane surviving unless they give Dublin a close run in Championship at the worst.

Didn't translate into U20 and U21 All Ireland success in recent years.

Three years of U20 and Kerry didn't even reach All Ireland final. 2017 was the last year of the U21 grade and it was 2008 the last time Kerry reached and won that All-Ireland.
If Clifford and the rest of the lads from the good minor teams had played U20/21's they'd have fared differently.

macker15

I put 100 on Kerry 1 weeks @8/1. The jackeens are in decline.

macker15

Stick fiver on Kerry to win now. 11/2 with the wind and due a couple penalties from referee. Gave everything to Dublin in first half.


Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.

The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

Oscar Wilde
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Captain Obvious

Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.

The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

Oscar Wilde

Competition has got weaker.

Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.

The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

Oscar Wilde

Competition has got weaker.

Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.

Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.

You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.

Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.

The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

Oscar Wilde

Competition has got weaker.

Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.

Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.

You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.

Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.

It means plenty. Few seem to question the lack quality of the competition/contenders when talking about Dublins dominance.

Dublin regardless of personal has stayed at consistent level  2011 to present. The media are desperate to talk up teams like they are doing with Kerry now even though this Kerry team aren't as good as they were 6 or 7 years ago and got knocked out of the championship last year by a mediocre Cork outfit.

seafoid

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.

The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."

Oscar Wilde

Competition has got weaker.

Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.

Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.

You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.

Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.

It means plenty. Few seem to question the lack quality of the competition/contenders when talking about Dublins dominance.

Dublin regardless of personal has stayed at consistent level  2011 to present. The media are desperate to talk up teams like they are doing with Kerry now even though this Kerry team aren't as good as they were 6 or 7 years ago and got knocked out of the championship last year by a mediocre Cork outfit.
Last year Dublin won the Leinster Final by over 20 points. Who is going to bother with the Leinster Championship this year ?
The media's job is to generate excitement around matches but there is no point is there is no competition.
Kerry don't get the funding that Dublin do. They used to have a psychological edge over Dublin but they have nothing now.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

Breheny was spouting stuff a few weeks ago that the opposition to Dublin have gone back and he had the statistics to prove it.
He seemed to overlook the fact that Dublin were winning all round them.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

From the Bunker

Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.

Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.