There would have been some odds available for that particular pairing at the outset, but sin é.
Bring it on! :)
Both teams have a big liabilities that cant be dropped in O'Shea and Morgan. Don't think Mayo will be cute enough for Tyrone's
knackerism.
Novel final pairing. Wonder when it'll be on, probably 4 or 5 weeks time.
Quote from: lenny on August 28, 2021, 06:39:47 PM
Novel final pairing. Wonder when it'll be on, probably 4 or 5 weeks time.
Saturday, September 11th, according to gaa.ie.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 28, 2021, 06:39:47 PM
Novel final pairing. Wonder when it'll be on, probably 4 or 5 weeks time.
Saturday, September 11th, according to gaa.ie.
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Think lenny was trying to be smart. Better hope mayo don't have any covid cases between now and then.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 06:30:37 PM
There would have been some odds available for that particular pairing at the outset, but sin é.
Bring it on! :)
I got a 1. Mayo 2. Tyrone forecast at 50/1, only put three on it though
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 06:30:37 PM
There would have been some odds available for that particular pairing at the outset, but sin é.
Bring it on! :)
I got a 1. Mayo 2. Tyrone forecast at 50/1, only put three on it though
Good man!
Call me childish but it's great to see the media get it so wrong. Talking about a Dublin Kerry final before a ball was kicked this year.
Best of luck to Tyrone. Being the team to actually lose to Mayo in an AI Final would be a terrible burden to bear.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 06:30:37 PM
There would have been some odds available for that particular pairing at the outset, but sin é.
Bring it on! :)
22/1 before the Ulster Final
Stuck £2.50 on it.
Tyrone were 16/1 to win the AI at the time
Stuck £5 on that.
Nice to see a match thread with the correct teams anyway!
;D
It was energy-sapping for Tyrone today, that was their final really just beating 1 of the big 3 teams when it mattered. Mayo are primed and all the pieces of the jigsaw are in place.
What happened the Mayo v Kerry All Ireland final thread? ;D
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 07:14:47 PM
It was energy-sapping for Tyrone today, that was their final really just beating 1 of the big 3 teams when it mattered. Mayo are primed and all the pieces of the jigsaw are in place.
You could say it was mayo's final too. I am not convinced either will be able to get up to the pace of their semi finals.
if mayo press tyrone's kickouts, morgan will crumble. he was a shambles today.
Quote from: WhoDat on August 28, 2021, 07:24:37 PM
if mayo press tyrone's kickouts, morgan will crumble. he was a shambles today.
Will hardly be a if, Mayo will press the Tyrone kickouts. If Tyrone management don't come up with a solution it will be the losing of this final for them.
Drop O'Shea,? No way, he tailor made for the Tyrone Midfield especially the way Tyrone kicked long all day. Put him straight in at Midfield.
I said u man who started the Mayo v Kerry thread was going to look a real dick, if things went pear shaped, lol.
Mayo will be favourites imho. However the favourites lost both semi finals, who knows what way it will go.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 28, 2021, 07:57:58 PM
Mayo will be favourites imho. However the favourites lost both semi finals, who knows what way it will go.
Hmmm, but Tyrone knocked out the heretofore favourites so they'll probably be favourites for this game.
Bookies have Mayo as 1 point favourites
Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
Bookies have Mayo as 1 point favourites
0-13 to 0-12 scoreline won't surprise me.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 28, 2021, 06:51:18 PM
Best of luck to Tyrone. Being the team to actually lose to Mayo in an AI Final would be a terrible burden to bear.
Here, kid. Have you the EuroMillions numbers?
Wife due to give birth to a boy the week after the final. We still don't have a name.
Theres an opening there if anyone wants to be a hero on September 11th!
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Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
Bookies have Mayo as 1 point favourites
0-13 to 0-12 scoreline won't surprise me.
For the first time since 1951 Mayo will be favourites going into an AI final. They have a big chance this time around. For me it's about as 50/50 a game as any final in a long time, it's just too hard to call it.
Big opportunity for Mayo but also a big opportunity for Tyrone. Fantastic to have a final without the dubs or kerry. Donegal Mayo last one?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 28, 2021, 09:07:57 PM
Tyrone and Mayo have met five times in the history of the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, Mayo currently lead with four victories to Tyrone's one.
1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6 (Semi Final)
2004 - Mayo 0-16 Tyrone 1-9 (Quarter Final)
2008 - Tyrone 0-13 Mayo 1-9 (Round 3)
2013 - Mayo 1-16 Tyrone 0-13 (Semi Final)
2016 - Mayo 0-13 Tyrone 0-12 (Quarter Final)
Not good reading for Tyrone and held to low scores in each game. History to repeat itself once more?
No, of course it's not good reading for Tyrone, but what possible bearing can that have in 2021?
And yes, I'm aware that League results are meaningless, when it comes to the Championship, so we need to prepare for the game of our lives in 2021, simple as that.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 28, 2021, 09:07:57 PM
Tyrone and Mayo have met five times in the history of the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, Mayo currently lead with four victories to Tyrone's one.
1989 - Mayo 0-12 Tyrone 1-6 (Semi Final)
2004 - Mayo 0-16 Tyrone 1-9 (Quarter Final)
2008 - Tyrone 0-13 Mayo 1-9 (Round 3)
2013 - Mayo 1-16 Tyrone 0-13 (Semi Final)
2016 - Mayo 0-13 Tyrone 0-12 (Quarter Final)
Not good reading for Tyrone and held to low scores in each game. History to repeat itself once more?
Tyrone's last few championship games v Kerry didn't make for great reading either. I don't think they'll get too worked up about the above results
No All Ireland winners on either team but Mayo carrying a hell of alot more baggage with regards to losing them. Hopefully Tyrone will be able to take advantage somehow
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
No All Ireland winners on either team but Mayo carrying a hell of alot more baggage with regards to losing them. Hopefully Tyrone will be able to take advantage somehow
Tyrone have had their fair share of coming up short the last decade! There is plenty of baggage there also, so get off of your high horse!
Congratulations to Tyrone on their Fantastic display today. Thought McGeary had a great game and well deserved Man of Match (loved his interview)....Now you have to go on an Win it.....Good Luck for the Final as it is sure to be a great game!
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
No All Ireland winners on either team but Mayo carrying a hell of alot more baggage with regards to losing them. Hopefully Tyrone will be able to take advantage somehow
2016 U21 and 2013 minor All-Ireland winners on the Mayo team the latter was beating Tyrone in the final.
Tyrone won the U21 All-Ireland in 2015 with a simliar management team. A few won Minor All-Ireland medals in 2008 and 2010.
Quote from: Armagh Girl on August 28, 2021, 11:15:30 PM
Congratulations to Tyrone on their Fantastic display today. Thought McGeary had a great game and well deserved Man of Match (loved his interview)....Now you have to go on an Win it.....Good Luck for the Final as it is sure to be a great game!
Thank you, Cailín Ard Mhacha! :)
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
Big opportunity for Mayo but also a big opportunity for Tyrone. Fantastic to have a final without the dubs or kerry. Donegal Mayo last one?
Yep. And the team that knocked Kerry out won that one. Plus Mayo lost two finals to Ulster opposition, Cavan in 1948 and the 2012 final. Could be another one in two weeks time too.
I'd assume Gough will get the final. Lane and Coldrick got the two semi-finals.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 28, 2021, 07:57:58 PM
Mayo will be favourites imho. However the favourites lost both semi finals, who knows what way it will go.
Hmmm, but Tyrone knocked out the heretofore favourites so they'll probably be favourites for this game.
That will.suit Mayo. In 2001 the team that beat Kerry in the semifinal were unbackable in the final. The team from Connacht hammered them.
If the 2 semi finals are anything to go by this will be a real war of attrition. Even though both sides had monumental victories against the odds in the semi final, both sides have a lot of improvement to make in terms of quality for the final. It is hard to quantify exactly the confidence boost that each side would have gained from their semi final victories but this shouldn't be underestimated.
Mayo will have to decide whether to start O'Se and I suspect that they probably will. He was poor the last day but he does bring an enormous level of physicality, he just probably shouldn't be deployed isolated close to goal. He is capable of winning a lot of ball around midfield against that Tyrone midfield and that is one area where Mayo would expect to come out on top.
Tyrone you would feel have to start Mc Shane based on yesterday's cameo, without him
they would not have won that match and he brings a ball winning capability inside that McCurry can't provide.
Both sides also now have to face a complete mindset change going into the final. Both will now see this as a great opportunity of lifting Sam and that brings a totally different pressure. Mayo possibly moreso as they are favourites going into a final for the first time in living memory.
The extra weeks will not really matter too much although a 4 week gap for Mayo is not ideal especially since I would imagine that a lot of their analysis and tactical work would have been predicated on them facing Kerry in the final.
Really difficult match to call but if the semi finals are anything to go by then it will be a bruising encounter as both sides play high octane physical games.
Surely nobody could begrudge Mayo winning this one.
Will Mayo be happier they're not up against Dublin or Kerry? Would guess they won't have the same mental hangups playing Tyrone.
Tyrone are pretty mundane but they're well drilled, composed and efficient. It's taken them this far. They won't lack self-belief.
Mayo should learn from Kerry's mistakes in over carrying the ball constantly into the middle of the Tyrone defence.
Would expect Mayo to be ravenous for this but hard one to call. The law of averages says they have to eventually win one but it's hard to trust them in a final. They're going to have to some way find that composure and clinical edge they've missed at key times in previous finals they should have won.
It's a final so as always, expect the unexpected.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
No All Ireland winners on either team but Mayo carrying a hell of alot more baggage with regards to losing them. Hopefully Tyrone will be able to take advantage somehow
Tyrone have had their fair share of coming up short the last decade! There is plenty of baggage there also, so get off of your high horse!
I didn't think you followed the football itself anymore. Good to see you posting without mentioning Dublin or money.
How many all Ireland finals have Tyrone lost? For me they don't lose winnable finals - the Dublin one wasn't winnable and this is going back a while but the 86 one wasn't either. Kerry and Dublin were just too good. The three they won were touch and go if they would win but when it was tight they got it done.
This is a hard one to call. I think Mayo are a bit better but I expect them to be very nervous too which will level it out a bit. I have a feeling that will swing it tyrone's way and they will win.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 10:28:11 AM
If the 2 semi finals are anything to go by this will be a real war of attrition. Even though both sides had monumental victories against the odds in the semi final, both sides have a lot of improvement to make in terms of quality for the final. It is hard to quantify exactly the confidence boost that each side would have gained from their semi final victories but this shouldn't be underestimated.
Mayo will have to decide whether to start O'Se and I suspect that they probably will. He was poor the last day but he does bring an enormous level of physicality, he just probably shouldn't be deployed isolated close to goal. He is capable of winning a lot of ball around midfield against that Tyrone midfield and that is one area where Mayo would expect to come out on top.
Tyrone you would feel have to start Mc Shane based on yesterday's cameo, without him
they would not have won that match and he brings a ball winning capability inside that McCurry can't provide.
Both sides also now have to face a complete mindset change going into the final. Both will now see this as a great opportunity of lifting Sam and that brings a totally different pressure. Mayo possibly moreso as they are favourites going into a final for the first time in living memory.
The extra weeks will not really matter too much although a 4 week gap for Mayo is not ideal especially since I would imagine that a lot of their analysis and tactical work would have been predicated on them facing Kerry in the final.
Really difficult match to call but if the semi finals are anything to go by then it will be a bruising encounter as both sides play high octane physical games.
O'Sé was pretty poor alright in the last game but I believe he was carrying a heel injury into the game so that may be the reason for him being below par.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
How many all Ireland finals have Tyrone lost? For me they don't lose winnable finals - the Dublin one wasn't winnable and this is going back a while but the 86 one wasn't either. Kerry and Dublin were just too good. The three they won were touch and go if they would win but when it was tight they got it done.
This is a hard one to call. I think Mayo are a bit better but I expect them to be very nervous too which will level it out a bit. I have a feeling that will swing it tyrone's way and they will win.
The 95 final produced great music.
https://youtu.be/cxeAr3n2Ous
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
How many all Ireland finals have Tyrone lost? For me they don't lose winnable finals - the Dublin one wasn't winnable and this is going back a while but the 86 one wasn't either. Kerry and Dublin were just too good. The three they won were touch and go if they would win but when it was tight they got it done.
This is a hard one to call. I think Mayo are a bit better but I expect them to be very nervous too which will level it out a bit. I have a feeling that will swing it tyrone's way and they will win.
The 95 final produced great music.
https://youtu.be/cxeAr3n2Ous
Even before I clicked the link I knew what it was going to be. A classic tune.
I forgot about 95. That was a very strange one with the redmond thing. Ok this century they have won the winnable ones lol.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2021, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
Big opportunity for Mayo but also a big opportunity for Tyrone. Fantastic to have a final without the dubs or kerry. Donegal Mayo last one?
Yep. And the team that knocked Kerry out won that one. Plus Mayo lost two finals to Ulster opposition, Cavan in 1948 and the 2012 final. Could be another one in two weeks time too.
Such an optimist😂😂😂😂
a saturday final is great
The final none of the experts and few non experts predicted or expected.
It's a bit like the Best man and Bridesmaid turned up but the Bride and Groom didn't!
Won't bother either of the contestants.
People saying both will want a dogfight but maybe the Rhus would be better avoiding such as Tyrone more used to dogfights in Ulster.
Haven't commented on yesterday's game as I didn't see it being on Confirmation duties.
Syferus says that Coldrick was the difference giving Tyrone frees for things which he waved play on for when it happened the other way round.
"The Dogs of Ulster" - sounds good.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2021, 05:00:11 PM
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Syferus says that Coldrick was the difference giving Tyrone frees for things which he waved play on for when it happened the other way round.
Your source is suspect, I'd say (Quelle surprise!) -- check out the respective scores from frees first, perhaps?
You saying Syf got something wrong :o
He predicted a handy win for Kerry too ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2021, 05:47:19 PM
You saying Syf got something wrong :o
He predicted a handy win for Kerry too ;D
;)
A nice change of dressing rooms for our lads. M before T .
Will be a great game.
Mayo firm favourites, that'll do! :)
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:35:09 PM
I forgot about 95. That was a very strange one with the redmond thing. Ok this century they have won the winnable ones lol.
Tyrone had an exceptional team in the mid noughties. That hasn't been replicated yet.
Tyrones to lose after that miraculous performance. The fitness levels were unreal. I think catching Covid has just improved them.
But if I was having a bet on this the draw looks a decent bet to have a flutter with. Both teams won't have any hangups facing each other.
When is it? 2 weeks or will Tyrone ask for another extension?
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
If only Mayo bunting was enough, we'd have 20 or 30 All Irelands at this stage.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
That's Ballymun Kickhams fans getting ready for the Dublin Championship.
Any white and red sheep yet?
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
I don't think one house in Ballsbridge with bunting out can be classified as Mayo losing the run of themselves.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
That's Ballymun Kickhams fans getting ready for the Dublin Championship.
Could be a Portuguese family otherwise
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
That's Ballymun Kickhams fans getting ready for the Dublin Championship.
Could be a Portuguese family otherwise
Could be a Ballymun supporter but, somehow, I doubt it.
Ballymun is a long way from Balls bridge and hoodies and trainers are the formal dress attire. Hush puppies and designer gear are de either in the leafy suburb of Balls ridge.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 30, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
That's Ballymun Kickhams fans getting ready for the Dublin Championship.
Could be a Portuguese family otherwise
Could be a Ballymun supporter but, somehow, I doubt it.
Ballymun is a long way from Balls bridge and hoodies and trainers are the formal dress attire. Hush puppies and designer gear are de either in the leafy suburb of Balls ridge.
Damn predictive spelling spelling! ;D ;D
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
There is a house in Ballsbridge of all places with Mayo bunting out 2 weeks in advance of the final. Mayo are losing the run of themselves, they think they have won it already.
Quick, lock them up!!
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
They announced the hurling ref on the Tuesday two weeks before the final so I presume they will announce the football ref tomorrow.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Mayo deserve to be favourites purely based on the two semi finals and that they took out the team that many didn't think would be beaten this year.
Downfall in AI finals for Mayo under Horan was conceding goals.
2012 v Donegal 2-11 to 0-13 (13 scores each)
2013 v Dublin 2-12 to 1-14 (14 scores v 15)
2020 v Dublin 2-14 to 0-15 (16 scores v 15)
If Tyrone are to win the final i feel they'll have to score at least 2 goals, easier said that done especially if Mayo defend as well as they did against Dublin.
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
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Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Thanks hoynevalley, Kerry for Sam, Eire 90, Thegreatest, Macker 15, ck_Redhand, Cobra and all your other aliases, Get lost for the next two weeks Kerry were beaten. you are a complete tool.
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Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Dublin Joe.
Last few years of AI Final Refs:
2020: David Coldrick
2019: David Gough & Conor Lane
2018: Conor Lane
2017: Joe McQuillan
2016: Conor Lane & Maurice Deegan
2015: David Coldrick
2014: Eddie Kinsella
2013: Joe McQuillan
2012: Maurice Deegan
2011: Joe McQuillan
2010: David Coldrick
McQuillan - 3
Coldrick - 3
Lane - 3
Deegan - 2
Gough - 1
Eddie Kinsella - 1
I'd say Gough will be the man to take charge this time. Lane & Coldrick got the semi-finals - Gough wasn't involved (not on the line). Can't see the GAA dropping someone else in who hasn't been in charge of a previous final. And McQuillan already has 3 finals to his name.
mayo are in a great position to win this
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Oh Christ. Dublin will definitely win then. I don't know how, but Joe will find a way to make it happen
Quote from: Estimator on August 30, 2021, 05:41:24 PM
Last few years of AI Final Refs:
2020: David Coldrick
2019: David Gough & Conor Lane
2018: Conor Lane
2017: Joe McQuillan
2016: Conor Lane & Maurice Deegan
2015: David Coldrick
2014: Eddie Kinsella
2013: Joe McQuillan
2012: Maurice Deegan
2011: Joe McQuillan
2010: David Coldrick
McQuillan - 3
Coldrick - 3
Lane - 3
Deegan - 2
Gough - 1
Eddie Kinsella - 1
I'd say Gough will be the man to take charge this time. Lane & Coldrick got the semi-finals - Gough wasn't involved (not on the line). Can't see the GAA dropping someone else in who hasn't been in charge of a previous final. And McQuillan already has 3 finals to his name.
That's probably right. Lane wont get it after the messing in the semi with no stopping the game more than anything I'd say.
I do think Gough is a very good ref but he tends to try to make it all about himself. If he'd relax a bit and stop trying to prove he's got eyes on the back of his head he'd be the best by a mile.
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Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Dublin Joe.
I think he lost that title in 2012 when James Horan called him out. Very generous to Mayo since.
Quote from: WhoDat on August 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
mayo are in a great position to win this
I would have Mayo as strong favourites. Didn't play well against the dubs but got the result. Sign of a good team.. The extra 2 week rest will benefit against a tired Tyrone team.
The result all hinges on who Thomas O Se doesn't pick as winner. He reckons Kerry wont win an All Ireland with the current management team, Kerry county board should stick with them so ;D
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
mayo are in a great position to win this
I would have Mayo as strong favourites. Didn't play well against the dubs but got the result. Sign of a good team.. The extra 2 week rest will benefit against a tired Tyrone team.
the 4 week break will have been a blessing in disguise for them. 2 weeks to get the bodies and minds back in order after the dublin game, and now 2 weeks to focus on opposition. normally i would say a 2 week turnaround between games is ideal, but both semifinals were physically and emotionally draining for the winners, and tyrone now only have the two weeks to rest the bodies and refocus the minds. now maybe they'll bounce on with the momentum, but i just feel it could come a little too quick for them and mayo are in a really good position now to get this right.
i also just feel mayo have the superior individuals in their squad and there is no baggage with those young lads. it'll be a close one but it's really mayo's best opportunity in years.
2 weeks ago Tyrone were ravaged with Covid and only got the full squad together last Tuesday for the first time in 3-4 week. Based on performance the put out with 1 weeks work think of what they can do with 2 weeks work. Tyrones to lose
I don't really buy the whole Mayo facing a tired Tyrone team thing. If Mayo win it won't be because Tyrone lacked fitness.
Both have had 4 games now, Tyrone had a handy day against Cavan but had it gradually more difficult since then with Donegal being close for good parts of it then Monaghan only winning by a point and Kerry going to extra time. They now have two weeks to prepare for the final. I'd say covid issues to one side that's pretty much exactly the kind of build up to a final you'd want to have.
Mayo pretty similar, 2 very easy games to Leitrim and Sligo, Galway had them under pressure for a half before they pulled away then a real battle with extra time against Dublin. Mayo have had 4 weeks to prepare so maybe might get one or two guys back from injury they wouldn't have otherwise had but really it's not a huge advantage to them over the two weeks Tyrone have.
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
mayo are in a great position to win this
I would have Mayo as strong favourites. Didn't play well against the dubs but got the result. Sign of a good team.. The extra 2 week rest will benefit against a tired Tyrone team.
Outscored Dublin 0-13 to 0-4 in the final 55 minutes of the game. The very definition of playing well and why they got the result.
I'm fairly sure the analysis after the Dublin Vs Mayo game was that neither team played particularly well and that Kerry would have been well able to either of them. It would seem that a few weeks and the fact they're now facing Tyrone and not Kerry has seen that Mayo performance being retrospectively moved to a fantastic performance.
Don't get me wrong, they were good, you have to be to beat Dublin, but there was a load of errors in there too. 7 points down at half time, a retaken 45 to gain a draw, some of the easiest frees and marks missed you could ever see (given the stick Morgan is getting for missing a few 45's that would be a big surprise that Mayo's frailties there are not discussed more).
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 30, 2021, 08:29:26 PM
Nothing between them. They could play 100 times and win 50 each.
This will all come down to small things on the day, whoever gets the bit of luck.
This sums it up for me too. It's great for people who have no skin in the game, but it's heart-rivetting stuff for us who do!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2021, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 30, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
mayo are in a great position to win this
I would have Mayo as strong favourites. Didn't play well against the dubs but got the result. Sign of a good team.. The extra 2 week rest will benefit against a tired Tyrone team.
Outscored Dublin 0-13 to 0-4 in the final 55 minutes of the game. The very definition of playing well and why they got the result.
Sorry I meant Mayo forwards didnt play well in normal time. Only scores 0-4. They stepped up in extra time. Tommy Conroy in particular stood up. Other years he would of been taken off early. James Horan justified on keeping him on.
David Brady reckons Cillian O'Connor could make appearance off the bench. Cillian deserves to be on pitch when Mayo win their All Ireland.
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
I'm fairly sure the analysis after the Dublin Vs Mayo game was that neither team played particularly well and that Kerry would have been well able to either of them. It would seem that a few weeks and the fact they're now facing Tyrone and not Kerry has seen that Mayo performance being retrospectively moved to a fantastic performance.
Don't get me wrong, they were good, you have to be to beat Dublin, but there was a load of errors in there too. 7 points down at half time, a retaken 45 to gain a draw, some of the easiest frees and marks missed you could ever see (given the stick Morgan is getting for missing a few 45's that would be a big surprise that Mayo's frailties there are not discussed more).
i think mayo showed huge bottle towards the end of the second half and the extra time against dublin. some of their subs were fantastic, the hession lad in particular. their conditioning, while always terrific for the last 10 years, was maybe the first time ever ahead of dublin's. i don't think kerry would have been able for them and if there's any retrospective going on since the tyrone game, it's that kerry were clearly immensely overrated from the off. one dimensional and too reliant on one or two players.
i think morgan's kickouts were very dodgy the last day and if i were a tyrone supporter i'd be worried about him under the mayo press.
that said, mayo took a while to get going against both galway and dublin, and if they fall behind like that again, tyrone could shut up shop. however, people said that would would happen to them against dublin - that they'd concede a big lead to dublin and then the dubs would just play keep ball and see out the game. didn't happen in the end, they clawed it back. they don't seem to panic very much in these seemingly crisis situations. kerry looked panicked and all over the shop the last day. i just don't see mayo getting caught in the headlights like that.
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
David Brady reckons Cillian O'Connor could make appearance off the bench. Cillian deserves to be on pitch when Mayo win their All Ireland.
Brady says a lot of things. It won't happen.
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are the Mayo heroes. Sure they may as well have carried the team past Dublin by themselves.
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
QuoteCillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are the Mayo heroes. Sure they may as well have carried the team past Dublin by themselves.
They should do like the World Cup and have Kerry v Dublin play a curtain raiser for the final for the 3rd place spot.
Shur open a thread there buck on that and have a good chat to yourself. Clown .
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
There is such a queue of prolific scorers v Dublin in championship the last decade, it's quiet surprising how poor he has been. I mean i can think of at least one over that period.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 30, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are the Mayo heroes. Sure they may as well have carried the team past Dublin by themselves.
If it's not Monaghan you're obsessed with, it's Mayo. Moron.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 30, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are the Mayo heroes. Sure they may as well have carried the team past Dublin by themselves.
Will never truly understand the disdain some of ye have for them two bucks . Cillian takes no shit and refuses to ever be bullied on the pitch, for some reason that gets to some . Aido I dunno, hes never been described as a dirty player , it must be the media profile he has that gets to some .
Either way they owe Mayo nothing , gave it their all and will do so again.
I think that O Shea is due a big game in the final. A player of his status does not underperform to that level 2 games in a row. You could see a Canavan role ala 03 captaincy. On off and on again to see it out. Mayo just might have that up their sleeves. They nearly done it in the semi final but they froze when it came to bringing him on again...
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 10:04:40 PM
Wife due to give birth to a boy the week after the final. We still don't have a name.
Theres an opening there if anyone wants to be a hero on September 11th!
Dazzler it is then..
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
I think that O Shea is due a big game in the final. A player of his status does not underperform to that level 2 games in a row. You could see a Canavan role ala 03 captaincy. On off and on again to see it out. Mayo just might have that up their sleeves. They nearly done it in the semi final but they froze when it came to bringing him on again...
If Horan had any doubts about playing O'Shea, they'd have been thoroughly extinguished when watching Tyrone's midfield get decimated in the semi-final. Aidan wouldn't quite have David Moran's aerial ability, but his hands and physical presence in that sector will be more than anything Tyrone can throw at him. I'd expect O'Shea will play the full match between the 65s, with DOC going to 11 to counterbalance McGeary's insane running, and Loftus going to wing forward.
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 10:04:40 PM
Wife due to give birth to a boy the week after the final. We still don't have a name.
Theres an opening there if anyone wants to be a hero on September 11th!
Dazzler it is then..
If I know Dazzler.....
Tyone have lads in their dressing room who know what its like to win a senior all ireland medal, mayo do not. Will that have any influence on things on the day?
Wont matter, all lessons have been learned. both teams have played poorly in all ireland finals in the last 3/4 years. All players have had that empty feeling of leaving it behind, all players will know what they need to do personally to perform at their best.
and then you have the likes of Keegan, Mc Geary (my player of the year) who just get stuck and never leave it behind them.
its 50/50 no matter what way I look at it and there hasn't been a final on this type of knife edge since 2012.
Quote from: iorras on August 31, 2021, 10:15:36 AM
Tyone have lads in their dressing room who know what its like to win a senior all ireland medal, mayo do not. Will that have any influence on things on the day?
I'm probably being unnecessarily twisty here. But do you think Mayo would have a better chance of winning an AI if Horan invited Kevin Walsh and Padraic Joyce into the fold for the next fortnight? Or is maybe being a great player in a great team, of no benefit as a manager?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 30, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
David Brady reckons Cillian O'Connor could make appearance off the bench. Cillian deserves to be on pitch when Mayo win their All Ireland.
Brady says a lot of things. It won't happen.
He was right about Cluxton before the media got wind of it. The AI final will be decided on fine margins. If O'Connor was even fit for 10 minutes at the end of the match then Mayo would be foolish not to consider putting him on the bench.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-did-kerry-expect-tyrone-to-line-up-as-they-had-in-killarney-1.4659937
Tyrone are so comfortable on the ball. Is there a better support running team? Their conditioning is clearly superb. The Covid illness was not a factor. They got stronger in extra-time. Their one big worry is that they were destroyed on the kick out. Their saving grace was the turnover count.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 31, 2021, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 30, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
David Brady reckons Cillian O'Connor could make appearance off the bench. Cillian deserves to be on pitch when Mayo win their All Ireland.
Brady says a lot of things. It won't happen.
He was right about Cluxton before the media got wind of it. The AI final will be decided on fine margins. If O'Connor was even fit for 10 minutes at the end of the match then Mayo would be foolish not to consider putting him on the bench.
I'd hazard a guess tubberman knows better than brady where cillian is up to .
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 30, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are the Mayo heroes. Sure they may as well have carried the team past Dublin by themselves.
Sour grapes are best eaten in silence.
Quote from: seafoid on August 31, 2021, 11:11:43 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-did-kerry-expect-tyrone-to-line-up-as-they-had-in-killarney-1.4659937
Tyrone are so comfortable on the ball. Is there a better support running team? Their conditioning is clearly superb. The Covid illness was not a factor. They got stronger in extra-time. Their one big worry is that they were destroyed on the kick out. Their saving grace was the turnover count.
I think you can see that the COVID hampered their preparations to the point that there were loads of technical mistakes, it was a serious shift put in, but they made loads of mistakes often of their own doing. The full forward line and midfield were at sea for long periods of the game, also due to Kerrys excellence in those areas, however I think if they stay COVID free they can only improve and would need to to match the peoples favourites Mayo.
Mayo are favourites for the game which is very strange.
Can only assume its because of the weight of money that has been put on Mayo.
This is a straight up coin toss.
The chaotic element of the game which Kerry failed to cope with will not phase Mayo but then again have Mayo faced anything like the hunger we bring to the table.
Cant wait for it
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
You're not dreaming, I'm afraid.
I checked Willie Joe's results archive and it appears that Aido only scored a single point aginst the Dubs in finals and semis. That was in the 2015 replay.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
Any white and red sheep yet?
Plenty with red markings on them all over Mayo. :P
Farr
What way or is it still too early for ticket talk around your way.. Does anyone know did it work out ok for Limerick Cork supporters?
QuoteSenior Clubs – 16 * 118 -= 1888
Intermediate Clubs – 15 * 98 = 1470
Junior Clubs – 15 * 80 = 1200
Each club receives 10 tickets for evey player on panel = 410
Ten extra tickets for major urban centres -= 30
9 top selling clubs in Club Development Draw = 54
Total Tickets given to football clubs to allocate – 5,052
Total tickets as per secretary on Midwest today – 10.950
Exclusive Hurling Clubs, Players, Officials and County Board Officers, Coaches amd Corporate all have to be looked after from the remaining 5898 tickets.
Above posted on mayogaablog by REDCOL formerly of this parish.
QuoteSenior Clubs – 16 * 118 -= 1888
Intermediate Clubs – 15 * 98 = 1470
Junior Clubs – 15 * 80 = 1200
Each club receives 10 tickets for evey player on panel = 410
Ten extra tickets for major urban centres -= 30
9 top selling clubs in Club Development Draw = 54
Total Tickets given to football clubs to allocate – 5,052
Total tickets as per secretary on Midwest today – 10.950
Exclusive Hurling Clubs, Players, Officials and County Board Officers, Coaches amd Corporate all have to be looked after from the remaining 5898 tickets.
Gonna be some rows in clubhouses up and down Mayo this week, especially the junior clubs. Giving more to senior clubs is crazy.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2021, 02:25:04 PM
QuoteSenior Clubs – 16 * 118 -= 1888
Intermediate Clubs – 15 * 98 = 1470
Junior Clubs – 15 * 80 = 1200
Each club receives 10 tickets for evey player on panel = 410
Ten extra tickets for major urban centres -= 30
9 top selling clubs in Club Development Draw = 54
Total Tickets given to football clubs to allocate – 5,052
Total tickets as per secretary on Midwest today – 10.950
Exclusive Hurling Clubs, Players, Officials and County Board Officers, Coaches amd Corporate all have to be looked after from the remaining 5898 tickets.
Gonna be some rows in clubhouses up and down Mayo this week, especially the junior clubs. Giving more to senior clubs is crazy.
Never mind the junior clubs, 5,898 tickets not going to clubs in the county sounds like a lot!
Sounds very high alright.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
QuoteSenior Clubs – 16 * 118 -= 1888
Intermediate Clubs – 15 * 98 = 1470
Junior Clubs – 15 * 80 = 1200
Each club receives 10 tickets for evey player on panel = 410
Ten extra tickets for major urban centres -= 30
9 top selling clubs in Club Development Draw = 54
Total Tickets given to football clubs to allocate – 5,052
Total tickets as per secretary on Midwest today – 10.950
Exclusive Hurling Clubs, Players, Officials and County Board Officers, Coaches amd Corporate all have to be looked after from the remaining 5898 tickets.
There would be war if this goes on Tyrone.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
You're not dreaming, I'm afraid.
I checked Willie Joe's results archive and it appears that Aido only scored a single point aginst the Dubs in finals and semis. That was in the 2015 replay.
Hard to fathom for a player of his caliber having played in so many of those contests. I've seen that man in games I was at against Sligo, especially the Connacht final down in the Hyde a few years ago and he was unplayable.
Quote from: Jayop on August 31, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
You're not dreaming, I'm afraid.
I checked Willie Joe's results archive and it appears that Aido only scored a single point aginst the Dubs in finals and semis. That was in the 2015 replay.
Hard to fathom for a player of his caliber having played in so many of those contests. I've seen that man in games I was at against Sligo, especially the Connacht final down in the Hyde a few years ago and he was unplayable.
How many frees did COC convert from AOS constantly being fouled when he was double and triple marked against Dublin over the years ?
Quote from: Jayop on August 31, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
You're not dreaming, I'm afraid.
I checked Willie Joe's results archive and it appears that Aido only scored a single point aginst the Dubs in finals and semis. That was in the 2015 replay.
Hard to fathom for a player of his caliber having played in so many of those contests. I've seen that man in games I was at against Sligo, especially the Connacht final down in the Hyde a few years ago and he was unplayable.
Was that the year Sligo had a 19 year old gasún at FB?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 31, 2021, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 31, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Am I dreaming or did one of the commentators or pundits in the mayo Dublin game not say something about O'Shea having only scored a couple of points in all his games against Dublin??
You're not dreaming, I'm afraid.
I checked Willie Joe's results archive and it appears that Aido only scored a single point aginst the Dubs in finals and semis. That was in the 2015 replay.
Hard to fathom for a player of his caliber having played in so many of those contests. I've seen that man in games I was at against Sligo, especially the Connacht final down in the Hyde a few years ago and he was unplayable.
Was that the year Sligo had a 19 year old gasún at FB?
Aye, not the wisest decision on reflection. 2015
2013 v donegal was his best game
I see the match has been postponed until Michelle O'Neill gets out of isolation.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 31, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
I see the match has been postponed until Michelle O'Neill gets out of isolation.
In fairness she should be out of isolation by late next week but you'd really want to give her another week at least to get back to full fitness for an All_Ireland final.
You can't just go around and pick up county Councillors for a big game like this, wouldn't be fair on them.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 31, 2021, 06:04:43 PM
Going slightly off-topic (as I'm looking to see how remaining clubs games in Tyrone can be scheduled for the 2021 season) but still somewhat on-topic, can anyone confirm that the All-Ireland final must be played to a finish on the 11th September i.e. normal time, then extra-time if there's a draw, and still a draw penalty kicks? Or is there a possibility of a replay if there is a draw after normal or extra-time?
This is all I can find on it from December last year.
"Penalties to decide an All-Ireland final are off the table for 2021 - unless a decider goes to a replay."
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/penalties-table-ireland-finals-next-23203467
GAA website says extra time is possible
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
Best of luck to Joe.
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Quote from: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
What a final to look forward to now. I'm living on the Sligo Mayo border here and so many of my close mates being Mayo men as well as my boss and manager puts some spice on this for me. The final is being played on my birthday too!!
I think the bookies have this one right at the moment with Mayo being slight favourites but there's really very little in it. Mayo are 5/6 and Tyrone are 11/8 so not huge favourites. Probably about right
Two teak tough teams with no shortage of talent in defense and attack. I can't wait!
Has the ref been named yet? Can't see any other ref allowing as much to go in the next game. It'll be all on the day, Tyrone maybe slight underdogs, but a couple of goals and anything can happen. The game will be relentless, that's for sure. Up Mayo
Joe McQuillian favourite to referee.
Thanks hoynevalley, Kerry for Sam, Eire 90, Thegreatest, Macker 15, ck_Redhand, Cobra and all your other aliases, Get lost for the next two weeks Kerry were beaten. you are a complete tool.
Joe McQuillian is down to referee final. Apology accepted Joe
Strange to have an Ulster man ref it over someone like Gough? Not that it makes a difference, strange decision all the same though
Gough is over rated anyway. He is definitely one of the better ones but there is no real outstanding referee in the game at the minute. McQuillan would not be in the top 5 but always seems to manage to get a lot of big matches. The problem is that the rules are not applied consistently among different referees.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Quote from: joemamas on September 01, 2021, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 01, 2021, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
Just like you kerry guys and
your alter egos;
Kerry for Sams
The Greatest
Eire 90
Macker 15
CK Redhand
Fear anFhiranne
your infantile wind ups' are getting very old.
The gig is up, can you please disappear from what was a very good genuine GAA Blog.
btw shit job by the MODS.
Quote from: joemamas on September 01, 2021, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 01, 2021, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy
Just like you kerry guys and your alter egos;
Kerry for Sams
The Greatest
Eire 90
Macker 15
CK Redhand
Fear anFhiranne
your infantile wind ups' are getting very old.
The gig is up, can you please disappear from what was a very good genuine GAA Blog.
btw shit job by the MODS.
Calm down please. No need to get personal. You're in a final and complaining about a referee. If you have issue with me please put on ignore or jog on. I'm from the Midlands . Dont know what on about Kerry.
Mayo County Board selling tickets to companies in the area for €590 each. Got to keep that training fund topped up.
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2021, 03:47:48 PM
Mayo County Board selling tickets to companies in the area for €590 each. Got to keep that training fund topped up.
Supposedly the contractors working on mchale park are refusing to accept facebook likes in lieu of payment hence the need for cash.
Got to say I'm happy enough it's not Gough for the final for the sake of the game. He's far too fussy for a high intensity game like this. AFAIK both teams have been reffed by Joe once this year, Tyrone Vs Donegal and Mayo Vs Roscommon. In the Donegal game I think Joe was pretty good to Tyrone, we got a few handy ones and maybe got away with a few too, although he did give a black card and a penalty that I still don't know how he got to that decision. The Murphy sending off I think he was left with no choice so in balance probably about even.
I think any football fan if they come out after a match and think the ref was about even for both teams that's all you can ask for given the poor standard they are at the moment.
I think the ref will do fine, he has the big game experience, Mayo fans gave him a lot of bad stick over the years and in many opinions blaming referees became a feature of Mayo football, a key feature of teams not addressing the core issues as to why they were beat and thankfully they have moved on and are a much better proposition for it. It is a big day for the players, supporters, for referees and you have to wish him well, both teams are good and hardy footballing teams and mind their own business, so it should be a great final..no excuses...
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I think the ref will do fine, he has the big game experience, Mayo fans gave him a lot of bad stick over the years and in many opinions blaming referees became a feature of Mayo football, a key feature of teams not addressing the core issues as to why they were beat and thankfully they have moved on and are a much better proposition for it. It is a big day for the players, supporters, for referees and you have to wish him well, both teams are good and hardy footballing teams and mind their own business, so it should be a great final..no excuses...
Said without a hint of irony in a thread for a Tyrone game lol.
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Said without a hint of irony in a thread for a Tyrone game lol.
Tyrone versus who? ;)
Could we both be as bad as each other??
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Could we both be as bad as each other??
I would say so lol. But there has been some horrible calls against Tyrone over the last few years. The black card and non penalty Mcquillan awarded to Donegal could have ended tyrone sessions right there and then if murphy had of scored it.
Been saying this for years but bad referring calls should not be ending teams entire season. Need more from the umpires and lines men
Conor Lane could have ended mayos season as well with his poor performance.
Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2021, 04:45:19 PM
I think the ref will do fine, he has the big game experience, Mayo fans gave him a lot of bad stick over the years and in many opinions blaming referees became a feature of Mayo football, a key feature of teams not addressing the core issues as to why they were beat and thankfully they have moved on and are a much better proposition for it. It is a big day for the players, supporters, for referees and you have to wish him well, both teams are good and hardy footballing teams and mind their own business, so it should be a great final..no excuses...
If Jerome Henry was referee the Mayo folks still wouldn't be happy. It a bit cheap from joemamas having a go at McQuillian. Referees can't get every single decision right.
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
Just like you kerry guys and your alter egos;
Kerry for Sams
The Greatest
Eire 90
Macker 15
CK Redhand
Fear anFhiranne
your infantile wind ups' are getting very old.
The gig is up, can you please disappear from what was a very good genuine GAA Blog.
btw shit job by the MODS.
I can assure you I have nothing to do with hoynevalley and I've no idea what would given you any notion that I'm from Kerry.
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Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2021, 04:45:19 PM
I think the ref will do fine, he has the big game experience, Mayo fans gave him a lot of bad stick over the years and in many opinions blaming referees became a feature of Mayo football, a key feature of teams not addressing the core issues as to why they were beat and thankfully they have moved on and are a much better proposition for it. It is a big day for the players, supporters, for referees and you have to wish him well, both teams are good and hardy footballing teams and mind their own business, so it should be a great final..no excuses...
If Jerome Henry was referee the Mayo folks still wouldn't be happy. It a bit cheap from joemamas having a go at McQuillian. Referees can't get every single decision right.
There's a whole host of boys on this forum who are NEVER happy with any referee. Their team is ALWAYS a victim of poor refereeing, no matter the result or the circumstances.
(Not having a go at joemamas as I neither know what he said about McQuillan nor do I recall him being critical of refs on other occasions).
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
Annoyed tbh, feel like Gough would've suited Mayo more
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Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
I'd absolutely be starting McShane now for the final. He came on after 43 minutes in the semi, so played around 60 minutes at full championship intensity and bar a handling error when he first came on he looked great.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
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Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Very impressed with Hession. What age is he?
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Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Oshea struggles against Dublin and Kerry as teams superior athletes around the middle. Unless Tyrone put McKenna on OShea will struggle against his physicality.
Just reading there will be no extra time if needed . Wasnt it up on website only last week there would be ET but no penalties?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 01, 2021, 08:15:18 PM
Just reading there will be no extra time if needed . Wasnt it up on website only last week there would be ET but no penalties?
Think All Ireland final will be replay if drawn game?
Yeah ,that's been reported now this evening but I'm asking wasnt it pencilled in for extra time originally?
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Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Oshea struggles against Dublin and Kerry as teams superior athletes around the middle. Unless Tyrone put McKenna on OShea will struggle against his physicality.
Not sure I'd have said "struggles", until the past 2 outings against Dublin when as well as being exposed for speed regularly at midfield, he clearly missed having his henchmen Seamie and Tom alongside him for the aerial duels. Mayo used to be able to spread the 3 of them across the middle third and they didn't need a whole pile of pace as long as the keepers were kicking it long. They won more than their share and had a habit of locking opponents in when they didn't.
Tyrone could try to set up a game plan to outrun O'Shea and wear the legs off him, but I can't see them winning enough primary possession in the middle third to make it a feature of the game. They'll be reliant on working it out from the back, which will allow Mayo numbers back. If they kick long time O'Shea, they won't win the ball.
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Just reading there will be no extra time if needed . Wasnt it up on website only last week there would be ET but no penalties?
Reading where? From GAA ie
(https://i.ibb.co/cFLnQBK/Screenshot-20210901-203752-2.png)
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 01, 2021, 08:15:18 PM
Just reading there will be no extra time if needed . Wasnt it up on website only last week there would be ET but no penalties?
Reading where? From GAA ie
(https://i.ibb.co/cFLnQBK/Screenshot-20210901-203752-2.png)
Connaught Telegraph reporting that John Prenty said there wouldn't be extra time
Would have been some profitable year without Covid with 2 AI semi final replays!
Maybe someone thought let's not bother with ET for the final and get some more in for the replay
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Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Very impressed with Hession. What age is he?
Hession was eligible for the U-20s this year but I'm not sure what exact age he is.
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Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Very impressed with Hession. What age is he?
Hession was eligible for the U-20s this year but I'm not sure what exact age he is.
I have a funny feeling there will word from the Mayo camp before the final the O'Shea has an injury and isn't fit to start and that way Horan doesn't technically drop him but he knows that he held them back against Dublin and he can bring him on sometime in 2nd half depending on how that game is going
Drop O'Shea!? O'connor not big enough to play against the Tyrone Midfield
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Quote from: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
Are Brendan Harrison and Enda Hession in contention to start for Mayo. Will Tyrone start McShane or Canavan? Will O'Shea be moved to centre field and Tyrone weakness?
Harrison only got a few minutes in extra-time the last day, so I doubt he's fit to start. Hession was very impressive when he came on with his pace and lack of fear breaking the Dublin defensive lines in that second half so he should definitely be in contention.
McShane should be sprung off the bench where he's been most effective. Canavan is very young and hasn't played much this year due to injury, so I think the Tyrone management will side with experience on the big day.
James Horan should drop O'Shea. He was a liability against Dublin with his inability to track runners. He's just not suited to the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Oshea struggles against Dublin and Kerry as teams superior athletes around the middle. Unless Tyrone put McKenna on OShea will struggle against his physicality.
Not sure I'd have said "struggles", until the past 2 outings against Dublin when as well as being exposed for speed regularly at midfield, he clearly missed having his henchmen Seamie and Tom alongside him for the aerial duels. Mayo used to be able to spread the 3 of them across the middle third and they didn't need a whole pile of pace as long as the keepers were kicking it long. They won more than their share and had a habit of locking opponents in when they didn't.
Tyrone could try to set up a game plan to outrun O'Shea and wear the legs off him, but I can't see them winning enough primary possession in the middle third to make it a feature of the game. They'll be reliant on working it out from the back, which will allow Mayo numbers back. If they kick long time O'Shea, they won't win the ball.
They wont. They will go long. It malfunctioned against Kerry but retaining possession from kick outs by going short to a corner back is something Morgan has come out and said that they have moved away from because while it pads his stats for ball retantion it's completely useless in terms of getting scores.
Kerry won 100% of their kick outs the last day and only crossed the 45 once. 4 scores is all they got.
Thought and hoped David Gough would be the ref. He is the best in my view.......from what I have seen Joe gets a lot of big calls wrong, doesn't let the game flow and can lean in one direction or the other. He will probably have a bearing on the outcome in one way or another.......one question.....would this match be decided on penalties if needed or go to a replay? Definitely think it should be a replay and not penalties!
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
ho knows
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
Who knows didn't he swap his home clubfor a big club not much more than a month later... not too many would do that..is he still playing..
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Thought and hoped David Gough would be the ref. He is the best in my view.......from what I have seen Joe gets a lot of big calls wrong, doesn't let the game flow and can lean in one direction or the other. He will probably have a bearing on the outcome in one way or another.......one question.....would this match be decided on penalties if needed or go to a replay? Definitely think it should be a replay and not penalties!
Above all refs that seems to pick one side for special attention Gough is the worst and he's the fussiest.
I will say again. Why are Mayo people giving out about the ref and the ball hasn't been thrown in.... get on with it and get over it ffs
QuoteI will say again. Why are Mayo people giving out about the ref and the ball hasn't been thrown in.... get on with it and get over it ffs
We are moaning c***ts by nature. Probably Cromwells fault 😀
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
ho knows
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
Who knows didn't he swap his home clubfor a big club not much more than a month later... not too many would do that..is he still playing..
Still playing with Castlebar Mitchels. Paul Donaghy moved to Dungannon from a neighbouring small senior club didn't he?
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2021, 10:56:07 PM
I will say again. Why are Mayo people giving out about the ref and the ball hasn't been thrown in.... get on with it and get over it ffs
I'm from Tyrone if you're referring to me.
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Drop O'Shea!? O'connor not big enough to play against the Tyrone Midfield
Oconnor cleaned Fenton the last day.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on September 01, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
ho knows
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
Who knows didn't he swap his home clubfor a big club not much more than a month later... not too many would do that..is he still playing..
Still playing with Castlebar Mitchels. Paul Donaghy moved to Dungannon from a neighbouring small senior club didn't he?
Did Donie return to Ballinrobe?
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
ho knows
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
Who knows didn't he swap his home clubfor a big club not much more than a month later... not too many would do that..is he still playing..
Still playing with Castlebar Mitchels. Paul Donaghy moved to Dungannon from a neighbouring small senior club didn't he?
Did Donie return to Ballinrobe?
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Joe McQuillan confirmed as the ref for this All-Ireland final.
Was hoping for Gough.
+1 way more assertive, McQuillan is not.
Advantage Tyrone, as he is an Ulster Referee, Tyrone will be very well aware of how far they can push the boundries, which TBH they are very good at.
Was at the game on Saturday and watched the entire game again last night , got confirmation of that.
Not a slight on Tyrone by any manner of means, as they were the better team on Saturday.
Dublin Joe has been very generous to Mayo againat the Dubs 2012 2013 and 2015. James Horan called him out after 2011. McQuillian had no choice but to send off Don Vaughan in 2017 final. Listen ye are favourites and have the better team. No need to be whining about referee. Some Mayo supporters are never happy 🙄🙄🙄
He absolutely did have choice. It was stupid from Vaughan, but never a red and absolutely was only given to even up the numbers
It was one of the most straight forward reds for a referee to give in All-Ireland final. That final was there for Mayo to win and that moment of madness from Vaughan was the games turning point.
ho knows
Yes, any annoyance on that red should be solely focused on Vaughan.
I'm sure he regrets what he did to this day.
Who knows didn't he swap his home clubfor a big club not much more than a month later... not too many would do that..is he still playing..
Still playing with Castlebar Mitchels. Paul Donaghy moved to Dungannon from a neighbouring small senior club didn't he?
Did Donie return to Ballinrobe?
Are you too stupid to read my short post you quoted? See in bold.
I thought he had transferred home. Relax the cacks Timmy.
Guessing some potential match-ups.. assuming similar team selection
Morgan
Hampsey v Conroy
McNamee v O'Shea
McKernan v O'Donoghue
M'O'Neill v Loftus
Burns v McHale
Harte v K. McLoughlin
Kennedy v O'Connor
Kilpatrick v Ruane
K.McGeary v Durcan
Sludden v Plunkett
Meyler v Coen
McKenna v Hession
M. Donnelly v Keegan
McCurry v O'Hora
Hennelly
SUBS:
Harrison, Mullin, Walsh, Carr, Flynn, C O'Shea, D. Coen
McShane, McCann, Canavan, Bradley, R. Brennan, McDonnell, Rafferty
I'd put my house on O'Shea playing almost the full match at midfield, DOC picking up McGeary, Keegan playing firmly at 6 no matter who plays CHF for Tyrone, and O'Hora picking up McShane. Wouldn't be surprised to see Durcan or Mullen moved back onto McCurry.
O'Hora will pick up McCurry I'd say as he's the one Tyrone forward guaranteed to stay inside. Could also pick up McShane if he starts. Maybe Keegan on Donnelly and Durcan on McKenna or vice versa.
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I'd put my house on O'Shea playing almost the full match at midfield, DOC picking up McGeary, Keegan playing firmly at 6 no matter who plays CHF for Tyrone, and O'Hora picking up McShane. Wouldn't be surprised to see Durcan or Mullen moved back onto McCurry.
That could play right into our hands I'd say. ;)
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I will say again. Why are Mayo people giving out about the ref and the ball hasn't been thrown in.... get on with it and get over it ffs
I'm from Tyrone if you're referring to me.
lol
will mayo have oisin mullin back?
Quote from: WhoDat on September 03, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
will mayo have oisin mullin back?
James Horan in the recent off the ball interview hasn't ruled out Mullin or E McLaughlin from featuring in this final.
mcloughlin playing seems a bit far fetched
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will mayo have oisin mullin back?
James Horan in the recent off the ball interview hasn't ruled out Mullin or E McLaughlin from featuring in this final.
James is smart enough to lead the media into this story. It keeps the opposition guessing, it gives the media a story to write and it take the focus away from the rest of the squad.
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will mayo have oisin mullin back?
James Horan in the recent off the ball interview hasn't ruled out Mullin or E McLaughlin from featuring in this final.
James is smart enough to lead the media into this story. It keeps the opposition guessing, it gives the media a story to write and it take the focus away from the rest of the squad.
James Horan usually goes the opposite way with the media. Rules a player out from returning only for him to play come match day.
The smile he was giving in the interview leads me to believe that both will feature. If they do return the 4 weeks preparation for this final has turned out to be a big bonus for Mayo.
I didn't see anything from the Mayo media day they did after the Kerry game. Who did they put up?
I was quite impressed by what Tyrone did, a good few people available and the interviews up on the Offtheball youtube were quite interesting.
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I'd put my house on O'Shea playing almost the full match at midfield, DOC picking up McGeary, Keegan playing firmly at 6 no matter who plays CHF for Tyrone, and O'Hora picking up McShane. Wouldn't be surprised to see Durcan or Mullen moved back onto McCurry.
That could play right into our hands I'd say. ;)
Morgan would want to have better kickouts if thst's to be the case. I thought he was very poor on these against Kerry the last day.
Morgan getting a lot of stick about his kick outs the last day and granted some were poor but I thought it was a fairly clear strategy to kick them long and battle for position out the field. By not kicking short Tyrone didn't face energy sapping full pitch running build up which, given the Covid situation was entirely sensible. Yes some went astray and we didn't win much break ball but that all isn't Morgan's fault. Kerry played it short every time which in my view played a huge part in them struggling for energy and cramping late in the game. If we kick long to the opposition 65 and lose the ball but win it back again before they reach our 45 then I'll take that before passing it around on our 21 yard line sapping the energy of our defenders and coughing up position closer to our own goals.
Allowing Kerry have their kickouts may well have been a great idea. But Mayo's fitness and ability to run with the ball out of defence is far superior to Kerry's. Albeit not as economical with their shooting when they get to the other end.
I expect AOS to be midfield for the throw-ins, but to play most of the match at centre forward.
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will mayo have oisin mullin back?
Mullen will be back. McLaughlan no.
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Top bants 👍👍
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
The squad are meeting tonight in Mcaleer's to discuss it
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Aye, though not as funny as when Tyrone win it and half of this board go into hiding.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 04, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
Morgan getting a lot of stick about his kick outs the last day and granted some were poor but I thought it was a fairly clear strategy to kick them long and battle for position out the field. By not kicking short Tyrone didn't face energy sapping full pitch running build up which, given the Covid situation was entirely sensible. Yes some went astray and we didn't win much break ball but that all isn't Morgan's fault. Kerry played it short every time which in my view played a huge part in them struggling for energy and cramping late in the game. If we kick long to the opposition 65 and lose the ball but win it back again before they reach our 45 then I'll take that before passing it around on our 21 yard line sapping the energy of our defenders and coughing up position closer to our own goals.
Morgan is very astute player with a wide variety of skills and B H assessment of his performance is correct. Back a few years Tyrone outsmarted the Kerry twin towers of Donaghy & Walsh so i dont think O'Shea will pose much of a threat . In any case this a very different ball game with the different style of Mayo's play and the quality of good footballers on both sides ( from 1 to 26 )... it will be a classic game also with with 2 top class management teams .... descision making on the side-line will be key ...
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
If we were going to lose a final, I'd like it to be Mayo to beat us.
Galway fans will be supporting Tyrone, Armagh fans will be supporting Mayo. You have to live the tribal "anyone but the next door neighbour" rivalry of the gaa! 😁
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Pretty sure laois , louth and Meath already have .
Never understand the Tyrone ignorance over gaa history.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Pretty sure laois , louth and Meath already have .
Never understand the Tyrone ignorance over gaa history.
All before that so called priest curse or was it the widow?
All long before Tyrone won one anyway that's for sure , know your history.
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All long before Tyrone won one anyway that's for sure , know your history.
Ffs, every time Mayo get within an asses roar of an AI final that history is rammed down everyone's throat, how could anyone not know about it? I'll be happy for Mayo when they finally win so we can stop hearing about it.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Pretty sure laois , louth and Meath already have .
Never understand the Tyrone ignorance over gaa history.
Post up your evidence of this supposed Tyrone 'ignorance ' of Gaa history
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Pretty sure laois , louth and Meath already have .
Never understand the Tyrone ignorance over gaa history.
Your ignorance of where Captain Obvious is from amazing.
Mayo for sandwiches.
Who does the average Dub supporter want to see win in the final? Always got the impression they didn't really like Mayo but didn't mind Tyrone.
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Who does the average Dub supporter want to see win in the final? Always got the impression they didn't really like Mayo but didn't mind Tyrone.
The average Dub supporter prefers to see a Man City win
Does anyone know if Croke Park hotel is residents only on Saturday? If so, are the other local bars booking only? Cheers
Mayo are 4/6 favourites, that's a brutal price, based solely on beating Dublin, based on both games (semi's) Tyrone look slightly better fitness wise and bench...
Should be a close game, but Tyrone have the better value for a betting perspective
Why do you think Tyrone looked better fitness wise? Mayo even after being blitzed first half still looked pretty fit to me.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Mayo are 4/6 favourites, that's a brutal price, based solely on beating Dublin, based on both games (semi's) Tyrone look slightly better fitness wise and bench...
Should be a close game, but Tyrone have the better value for a betting perspective
Part of me doesn't disagree with you. But as Mayo are the sole team to beat Dublin since 2014, that's surely the only reason anyone would ever need to make them favourites??
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 05, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
Why do you think Tyrone looked better fitness wise? Mayo even after being blitzed first half still looked pretty fit to me.
Extra time they still (bar a couple of cramps) were bombing up and down the pitch, Dublin for whatever reason were not at the races this year, and that not taking anything from Mayo's brilliant result.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Mayo are 4/6 favourites, that's a brutal price, based solely on beating Dublin, based on both games (semi's) Tyrone look slightly better fitness wise and bench...
Should be a close game, but Tyrone have the better value for a betting perspective
Mayo have recent AIF experience
Tyrone are fit but Mayo are cute.
Plus they have a few tinkers.
Dublin weren't at the level they're normally at - very different from not being at the races.
The likes of Conroy in extra time was unplayable so I don't think anything Tyrone have in that regard Mayo haven't. Tbh I would be very surprised if Tyrone were fitter or better conditioned than Mayo.
If you were to believe the media Kerry lost against Tyrone rather than Tyrone won against Kerry anyway...
That said for me Mayo will need to be about 10-20% better than Tyrone to win because I just think they will be too nervous if it's close. There is a chance they are but we'll see...
It was 5 points to 1-3 in extra time despite Tyrone being full of running and Kerry players cramping up all over. Tyrone may well win next weekend, but it won't be down to superior fitness.
In the normal scheme of things teams rise and fall. A team at their peak will win the all Ireland against a team on the rise. The team on the rise wil win one or 2 years later.
This happened in 07-11 Kerry beat Cork in 07 and 09 and Dublin lost a load of seminals. Cork won in 10 and Dublin fell over the line on 2011.
The system broke down after 2015.
Let's say it is back running again.
Tyrone last reached the final in 2018.
Mayo were there last year. If Mayo have learnt their stuff they should win and destroy the MGHU stereotype.
Mayo wont lose this one , mayo are the best team in Ireland at present and will win this comfortably by a bigger margin than anyone will predict .
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 05, 2021, 11:39:49 AM
It was 5 points to 1-3 in extra time despite Tyrone being full of running and Kerry players cramping up all over. Tyrone may well win next weekend, but it won't be down to superior fitness.
Exactly. Mayo are the only team who can match Dublin fitness wise.
I'm to-ing and fro-ing with this one. Mayo will die on their feet as they will see this as, finally, the opportunity to put the ghost to bed. But is this what will ultimately beat them? The pressure is firmly on Mayo here whereas Tyrone are in bonus territory.
I can't see Tyrone make as many mistakes as they did against Kerry. The reality is that we didn't play anywhere as well as we could offensively and should have been out the gap. Kerry did a cracking job on the long kickouts. Mayo won't be able to achieve this. I am worried that O'Shea has a big game in him. If Tommy Conroy is kept as quiet as Sean O' Se was, then we're in good shape. Last week I said Mayo. Today I say Tyrone, comfortably. I like the fact that Morgan is booming the kickouts if the short play isn't on. Better to lose the ball in midfield than in front of goal and also have the chance of a breaking ball to the half forwards. Makes for good viewing too. Go long for the 1st quarter and see what change we are getting out of it. Looking back at the semi, Dublin were pedestrian at times and frustrated at other times in a way that neither Tyrone and Kerry were. Never looked forward to a game as much as there isn't the same deep rooted emotional attachment that you would find in games against Kerry/Dublin (and Armagh!)
Agree with the last post. The difficult challenge for Tyrone is putting another performance together the next day.
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It was 5 points to 1-3 in extra time despite Tyrone being full of running and Kerry players cramping up all over. Tyrone may well win next weekend, but it won't be down to superior fitness.
Exactly. Mayo are the only team who can match Dublin fitness wise.
Yes fitness wise advantage goes to Mayo for this final in my view. Can match Dublin for physicality and conditioning also.
Main questions I'd ask of Tyrone is can they score goals and keep their discipline as if they don't score a few goals and get a few black cards again or a red i can't see them winning.
I honestly can not see Tyrone winning this comfortably. For me Mayo will win comfortably or Tyrone will win in a very tight game.
People are playing Dublin down. Dublin were still very good and I honestly don't think Kerry or Tyrone would have beat them. Mayo made harder work of it than they should have but that is what Mayo tend to do.
The top teams are all fit. Anybody trying to speculate who is fitter is simply, speculating. They are both extremely fit teams, with fitness not being a deciding factor in this game.
Tyrone had a long lay-off before the last game due to covid, therefore I am hoping for an improved performance in the final, with less mistakes given the fact they have played more recently than Mayo and have been training away in the mean time. My main concern would be whether Tyrone can score goals. Its long been MHs way to take less risks and as a result Tyrone have a poor goal scoring record. I'm not convinced that aspect has changed yet. 2 of the 3 goals last week were due to fortune more than anything. I hope I'm wrong. Cannot afford black cards either.
Kerry looked surprisingly unfit the last day out.
In Mckenna, McShane, Canavan, you get a sense ghat they are hungry for goals. If they can provide that great again, Mayo will be drawn back to a deeper style of defending. That's when the Donnelly's, mcgearys, sluddens, mccurrys, Morgan, need to be 99% accurate.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 05, 2021, 02:37:22 PM
I honestly can not see Tyrone winning this comfortably. For me Mayo will win comfortably or Tyrone will win in a very tight game.
People are playing Dublin down. Dublin were still very good and I honestly don't think Kerry or Tyrone would have beat them. Mayo made harder work of it than they should have but that is what Mayo tend to do.
I don't think either will win comfortably, squads at too similar a level, and fitness seems in line. It will be a nervy tight game with the last 15 mins riddled with 2 teams who don't want to lose!!
It's not fitness per se , s&c , speed . Paddy , oisin and Leroy are near impossible to stop if they hit the gears. Mattie and diarmuid will dominate , I just can't see Tyrone been able to nullify our bucks , call me cocky and stupidly confident if ya wish , I just think we are better outfit than Tyrone.
I think it will be a dogfight
And I think the referee will have a big bearing on the outcome based on how he decides to ref the game
I'm cautiously confident, however McQuillan over Gough has dampened my enthusiasm a little.
I think Mayo will start poorly again. But through a combination of indiscipline, poor shooting, and just not going all out from Tyrone, will be well in it at half time. In the second half Mayo switch into 6th gear and I think over the course of the half they have too much for Tyrone to live with. Pull away in the end to win by ~5 points.
I think if Tyrone give away the amount of soft frees they did against Kerry it could be crucial, but I would've relied on Gough to give them more consistently.
I expect Mullin to start and McLaughlin at least to be named on the 26.
The match ups will be very interesting. Who does keegan pick up, who does Hampsey pick up. It'll be very interesting who meyler picks up. I think he might pick up diarmuid O'Connor.
O'Shea would have a lot more joy against that Tyrone midfield too.
I think Tyrone need a five point lead at half time, and I don't think they will (or I pray they don't)
Quote from: larryin89 on September 05, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
Mayo wont lose this one , mayo are the best team in Ireland at present and will win this comfortably by a bigger margin than anyone will predict .
i actually agree. mayo will win it comfortably enough i feel. tyrone just have an awful lot to think about with regards to match ups etc. - who do they put on o'donoghue and conroy, who do they tackle first durcan or keegan (what if keegan is released up the field??), where will o'shea play and who will pick him up, what about the midfield battle (mayo have a distinct advantage here), what if oisin mullin emerges from the bench, or even more shockingly, what if mcloughlin makes a comeback, what do they do about the pace of hession? and and nothing they sprung tactically on kerry will come as a shock to mayo and probably won't work on them either. and as a result peter keane will be gone before halloween.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 05, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
I'm cautiously confident, however McQuillan over Gough has dampened my enthusiasm a little.
I think Mayo will start poorly again. But through a combination of indiscipline, poor shooting, and just not going all out from Tyrone, will be well in it at half time. In the second half Mayo switch into 6th gear and I think over the course of the half they have too much for Tyrone to live with. Pull away in the end to win by ~5 points.
I think if Tyrone give away the amount of soft frees they did against Kerry it could be crucial, but I would've relied on Gough to give them more consistently.
I expect Mullin to start and McLaughlin at least to be named on the 26.
The keeper match up will be crucial. Maybe this is my bias, because I've always been a massive supporter and defender of Robbie Hennelly. But, while they both have a mistake in them, I think Morgan is far more erratic, and I think Mayo could make a hay on his lockouts in crucial times of the match
The Aidan OS question is interesting. *If* he does start it has to be a kind of centre forward ish role, drifting into a third midfield role when need to give DOC and Ruane a bit of height and steel and sometimes drifting into full forward when it's on
I would think most teams who've played against Mayo the past decade have encountered this problem. They're usually very predictable in their line ups, but are still somehow really unpredictable in their play. Even when Aidan is parked at the edge of the square they'll ignore him for long periods of time.
I think that's why they're so much fun to watch. They're exceptionally well conditioned, super competitive, highly skilled, and hugely confident players - but they aren't over coached. They tend to play it as they see it.
Tyrone might be going that way too. But it'll take them a few years to unburden Harte's shackles. Mickey is rightly on the highest pedestal of Tyrone legends, but by f**k he dragged his county into a mess of robotic anti-football before being pushed out.
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Will McShane start? It's probably easier to deal with him from the start when all defenders are fresh.
From a Mayo point of view, I'd be worried Conroy and O'Donoghue could get bottled up in the Tyrone defence. However Stephen O'Brien did cause some trouble running at Tyrone and Conroy is probably a better version of O'Brien. Gavin White also did well carrying the ball at pace and we've 3 or 4 players made for that. We have got caught out previously against defensive sides, committing too many forward, bringing the ball into traffic and being caught on the break.
We should have the edge in midfield, but then again so did Kerry. Hennelly and Morgan have a very mixed record with free kicks. It could simply come down to that in the end.
Mullins (if fit) to take on Donnelly?
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The Aidan OS question is interesting. *If* he does start it has to be a kind of centre forward ish role, drifting into a third midfield role when need to give DOC and Ruane a bit of height and steel and sometimes drifting into full forward when it's on
This has been a common theme on this thread.
Can anyone explain to me why AOS wouldn't play midfield against Tyrone? Given that Tyrone (based on the last few games) do not have the same pace and athleticism in midfield as they do elsewhere, would it not be the best place for him to line out? And beyond this, if played there, that he would be the best fielder in the midfield are a by a distance... surely surely it's the obvious call to slap no.8 on his back and play him between the 65s?
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Mullins (if fit) to take on Donnelly?
I'd say Mullin on McKenna. Keegan is made for Donnelly as he will drift outfield at times.
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The Aidan OS question is interesting. *If* he does start it has to be a kind of centre forward ish role, drifting into a third midfield role when need to give DOC and Ruane a bit of height and steel and sometimes drifting into full forward when it's on
This has been a common theme on this thread.
Can anyone explain to me why AOS wouldn't play midfield against Tyrone? Given that Tyrone (based on the last few games) do not have the same pace and athleticism in midfield as they do elsewhere, would it not be the best place for him to line out? And beyond this, if played there, that he would be the best fielder in the midfield are a by a distance... surely surely it's the obvious call to slap no.8 on his back and play him between the 65s?
I'd still prefer to see him with legs around him in midfield. It's also the question of mayo lacking a target man in the forwards. But it's been proven now that if AOS is going to be just twiddling his thumbs with no support it's pointless, and he did himself no favour with his performance against Dublin. Yet if he is moved in at the right time, like the second half against Galway, it could work very well
So many ifs
Keegan won't be on McKenna I wouldn't think. McKenna drifts in and out of games and is quite content to hang around away from the action. If the semi showed us anything, it's that Leroy needs to be plum central in the thick of things, to drive Mayo forward.
Rewatching Tyrone Kerry, I do worry about Mayo faffing around in front of Tyrones defences and running down blind alleys/into tackles and gifting turnovers
I can only see one winner unfortunately and that's Tyrone. I would love to see this mayo side get over the line after so many heartbreaks. If you look at both sides options up front it's clear tyrone have much the better players. They also have excellent forwards to come off the bench like mcshane, canavan and bradley. Mayo have better defenders but tyrone defend well as a unit. Mayo probably shade midfield but tyrone were cleaned out in midfield v kerry and it didn't matter. Mayo's running game will play into tyrones hands and I fancy tyrone to win comfortably enough in the end.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 05, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
The Aidan OS question is interesting. *If* he does start it has to be a kind of centre forward ish role, drifting into a third midfield role when need to give DOC and Ruane a bit of height and steel and sometimes drifting into full forward when it's on
This has been a common theme on this thread.
Can anyone explain to me why AOS wouldn't play midfield against Tyrone? Given that Tyrone (based on the last few games) do not have the same pace and athleticism in midfield as they do elsewhere, would it not be the best place for him to line out? And beyond this, if played there, that he would be the best fielder in the midfield are a by a distance... surely surely it's the obvious call to slap no.8 on his back and play him between the 65s?
Because Mayo are unlikely to change their midfield pairing of Diarmuid O'Connor and Matthew Ruane who played so well against Dublin. Ruane has been the best fielder of the ball on the Mayo team this year and his direct play/running is one area that Tyrone will have to stop.
Would you honestly say DOC was that good against Dublin?
He played decent. Put in a good shift doing the dirty jobs well.
But that does not an unbreakable midfield partnership make.
DOC on McGeary has genuine merit. We all know McGeary is going to turn up everywhere. But if his shadow, and fellow absolutely everywhere outlet, is a footballer as capable as DOC, this might well be counter productive energy on Tyrone's behalf
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Would you honestly say DOC was that good against Dublin?
He played decent. Put in a good shift doing the dirty jobs well.
But that does not an unbreakable midfield partnership make.
DOC on McGeary has genuine merit. We all know McGeary is going to turn up everywhere. But if his shadow, and fellow absolutely everywhere outlet, is a footballer as capable as DOC, this might well be counter productive energy on Tyrone's behalf
I think that DOC does a lot of the work that goes unnoticed and I appreciated more when I watched the match back
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
I can only see one winner unfortunately and that's Tyrone. I would love to see this mayo side get over the line after so many heartbreaks. If you look at both sides options up front it's clear tyrone have much the better players. They also have excellent forwards to come off the bench like mcshane, canavan and bradley. Mayo have better defenders but tyrone defend well as a unit. Mayo probably shade midfield but tyrone were cleaned out in midfield v kerry and it didn't matter. Mayo's running game will play into tyrones hands and I fancy tyrone to win comfortably enough in the end.
Classic example of cute hoorism before a final. You won't lull us into a sense of expectation ;)
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I can only see one winner unfortunately and that's Tyrone. I would love to see this mayo side get over the line after so many heartbreaks. If you look at both sides options up front it's clear tyrone have much the better players. They also have excellent forwards to come off the bench like mcshane, canavan and bradley. Mayo have better defenders but tyrone defend well as a unit. Mayo probably shade midfield but tyrone were cleaned out in midfield v kerry and it didn't matter. Mayo's running game will play into tyrones hands and I fancy tyrone to win comfortably enough in the end.
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An awful lot of second guessing about how impressive each semi final victory was. I was listening to the Mayo News podcast where someone said Tyrone had beaten a poor Kerry side and that it couldn't compare to their win over the great Dublin side. And that might be true, but equally you could build a case that the Dubs were a much diminished outfit on and off the field this year and until they came up against Mayo hadn't played anybody all summer who had any belief at all that they might win. When Mayo did that the Dubs folded completely. Ultimately we haven't got that much to go on this year and there isn't a really good form guide.
I stick by what I've said all summer: Tyrone are a team in transition and even with a normal season with McKenna Cup and full league it was going to be a big ask for Logan and Dooher. I always thought next year and the year after were the best bets, with more time for them to get their ideas across and with their u21 crop at a great age and with Donnelly and Petey Harte still around. To have reached this final with a shortened season, with McShane and Canavan having not bedded in as hoped with injury, with McKenna still to find his ideal role, is quite extraordinary. But with momentum behind them, who knows.
Ultimately though, Mayo are more settled and have been here more often of late. I think Mayo will win, and if Tyrone have to lose an AI then there truly is no team I'd rather lose to. Doesn't mean I'm conceding though ;D
Quote from: larryin89 on September 05, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
Mayo wont lose this one , mayo are the best team in Ireland at present and will win this comfortably by a bigger margin than anyone will predict .
Not me!
I did predict that Mayo.would beat Dublin by a half dozen points at the start of thàt semi thread and I see no reason to alter my view this time.
Okay the result was only half that but my money will be on Mayo this time also.
Loving the Mayo confidence with this one, yet again, and just wondering what Screenexile's handicap is for filling his boots too! :P ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2021, 11:39:48 PM
Loving the Mayo confidence with this one, yet again, and just wondering what Screenexile's handicap is for filling his boots too! :P ;)
Jeez Tyrone are great at fabricating an air of confidence into existence so they can convince themselves to get annoyed.
One Mayo fan and a couple of tyrone fans confident, afaics
Quote from: Whishtup on September 05, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
I'm to-ing and fro-ing with this one. Mayo will die on their feet as they will see this as, finally, the opportunity to put the ghost to bed. But is this what will ultimately beat them? The pressure is firmly on Mayo here whereas Tyrone are in bonus territory.
I can't see Tyrone make as many mistakes as they did against Kerry. The reality is that we didn't play anywhere as well as we could offensively and should have been out the gap. Kerry did a cracking job on the long kickouts. Mayo won't be able to achieve this. I am worried that O'Shea has a big game in him. If Tommy Conroy is kept as quiet as Sean O' Se was, then we're in good shape. Last week I said Mayo. Today I say Tyrone, comfortably. I like the fact that Morgan is booming the kickouts if the short play isn't on. Better to lose the ball in midfield than in front of goal and also have the chance of a breaking ball to the half forwards. Makes for good viewing too. Go long for the 1st quarter and see what change we are getting out of it. Looking back at the semi, Dublin were pedestrian at times and frustrated at other times in a way that neither Tyrone and Kerry were. Never looked forward to a game as much as there isn't the same deep rooted emotional attachment that you would find in games against Kerry/Dublin (and Armagh!)
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Aye, though not as funny as when Tyrone win it and half of this board go into hiding.
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Ciarán McDonald's second coming ushers in a new era for Mayo
County luminary is seen as having had a major impact on senior team over past two years
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Ciarán McDonald may have parted ways with his intercounty playing days in 2007, but within Mayo's mind and soul he never really left. There was always hope of a comeback. It felt imminent at times. Whispers of his return became a perennial conversation every summer and even as he entered his late 30s, a good run of form with his club, Crossmolina Deel Rovers, would spark the debate. Could he still do the job?
Ageing may have diminished his powers but the county still longed to see those wavy blonde locks in a Mayo jersey once more, one final exhibition from the tip of that left predator boot. For all the whispers of imminent returns though, allied with reports of a club player in good nick, McDonald remained in the shadows.
The whispers eventually died down for a few years, only to resurface again in 2017. This time however, there was more substance to the chatter.
The word was that McDonald had joined up with Mayo's rejuvenated academy system, and the early reports of the former player's work had been immensely impressive. If anyone could cultivate the next McDonald, surely it would be the man himself.
His discreet return followed an informal meeting with Mike Connelly, Mayo GAA chairperson at the time, before an Under-21 Connacht championship clash between Mayo and Galway in 2017. Alongside his former team-mates David Heaney and Maurice Sheridan, the Crossmolina man agreed to come in from the cold. The night ultimately ended in defeat for Mayo, but had the county's fans known what was happening behind the scenes, they would have been quietly satisfied with their lot leaving Tuam Stadium.
"You get talking to Ciarán for 10 or 15 minutes and you know that you're on the right track," remembers Connelly. "I wouldn't have known a whole pile about him, directly or personally, but of all the coaches we would've brought on board, and they were all good, Ciarán was hugely, hugely impressive in a lot of ways. He lives, sleeps and dreams about coaching and tactics and all that sort of stuff.
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"And the other huge quality he has is that he's brilliant with young fellas. He's a great understanding of their current life situation and what they have to endure, whether it's social media or school or college or whatever."
Surprise
His presence back in and around Mayo football caught most by surprise. He wasn't a noted coach, although he did a little underage coaching in his local area.
The most noteworthy sample of work on his short coaching résumé was his time with the local national school which won a county Cumann na mBunscol title. But it wasn't the title that left an impression on those with a keen eye on footballing matters within the county. The children had played with the swagger so often associated with their coach.
Parents, teachers and casual observers in the MacHale Park stand at the 2017 Cumann na mBunscol finals looked on in awe.
Clever angles. Deft flicks. Reading the game to a level far beyond their years. Most importantly though, the youngsters were clearly loving their football as their coach offered gentle encouragement from the sideline.
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The performance had all the hallmarks of a coach who had spent his retirement years assiduously studying the game, popping up at countless seminars and workshops. But according to Connelly: "He never did a thing."
And maybe that's not such a surprise. McDonald's greatest strength as a player was his way of seeing the game different to everybody else. Though that doesn't necessarily translate to coaching excellence, judging by the early evidence of his work with underage players it did translate for McDonald. Immediately defying his reserved personality, just as he did during his playing career, he threw himself into the midst of the action with Mayo's academies, predominantly with the Under-14 panel.
"Once he got in the door and out on the field, and once he got stuck in, you'd swear he was at it for months. You'd swear he was at it for years. It just came to him so naturally. He just needed to break through that little barrier to get out and get in there.
"We would have him coaching Under-14 games – A versus B – and Ciarán would be in the middle of the park playing with them. We had an Under-14, Under-15 and Under-16 academy and he was involved in coaching in all three of them. Ciarán McDonald would stay coaching 24/7," says Connelly.
Mayo's Brendan Harrison celebrates with Ciarán McDonald after the 2021 GAA All-Ireland senior football championship semi-final against Dublin in Croke Park. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
"What I've heard is if Ciarán could prolong a session, he would," adds Alan Dillon, his former team-mate. "That's how driven he is as a player and a coach. If it was a 90-minute session, Ciarán would always try to bring it to 120 minutes. He was brought up through the early years of John Maughan when there was a real focus on physical fitness and hard work. And nobody probably worked as hard as Ciarán McDonald when he was a player and he probably has that huge work ethic as a coach.
"There's always a time limit with strength and conditioning coaches, who don't want players to max out on a Tuesday night to give them time to recover for a Thursday session, but that's not a bad trait to have."
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The work he was carrying out wasn't going to go unnoticed and somebody as astute as James Horan was unlikely to ignore the stream of glittering reports.
In 2019, the first season of Horan's second stint in charge, Mayo crashed out of the championship following another semi-final defeat to Dublin. But the 10-point gap between the sides at the final whistle almost seemed generous to the Westerners. Although they had failed to get the better of their rivals since 2012, they always served up a tussle the record-setters could find nowhere else. It was a portentous day for Horan and his side, the inevitability of multiple retirements finally flickering on the horizon.
It left the Mayo manager with plenty to mull over during the winter period. And so his attention was eventually drawn to the man causing a stir for all the right reasons within the academy structures.
McDonald joined the Mayo management team that December and has since helped lead a relatively young squad to back-to-back All-Ireland finals, despite losing many ultra-dependables of recent years to retirement. It's difficult to gauge his influence, though it's widely felt that his contribution to the way Mayo have gone about business over the last two seasons has been significant.
"There's a freedom there," insists Dillon. "There's an expression there. Everyone is probably enjoying their football."
That begs the question: are Mayo's academy structures losing out by McDonald's involvement with the senior panel?
"If it was me, my next plan would be to recruit him as a full-time coach for all our development squads and he would also play a big role with minor and Under-20 squads," says Connelly.
"What you would love to see is Ciarán spending four or five years with the squads – whether it was Under-14, Under-15, Under-16 or Under-17 – and as they come of age, you would see the fruits of his work at a later stage."
Not everyone would agree with those sentiments, Dillon included.
"Ultimately, the success of the county is driven by the senior team and that's no disrespect to the academies. Certainly, they are hugely important as a feeder system but we cannot have Ciarán's focus being moved or diluted going back into academies.
"While you'd love to clone two or three Ciarán Macs, there's an opportunity for other coaches now to step in and fill his shoes.
"And it's a great time for him to be involved at senior level, to see where these players can get to, to see how they can develop."
Ultimately, there is no right answer.
But after years without the services of their luminary in any guise, it's a dilemma Mayo will be happy to endure.
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Both teams have obvious deficiencies. Mayo haven't turned up in either of the first halves of their last two games in Croke Park. They were able to paper over the crack of missing Cillian O'Connor all the way through Connacht but for all of Ryan O'Donoghue's moxie, his free-taking began to creak at just the wrong time against Dublin. Aidan O'Shea had the worst game of his life in the semi-final and now, at the age of 31, they have to work out what to do with him all over again.
Tyrone are no dead cert either. Much like Mayo, they put in a half of truly hapless football in the Ulster final against a Monaghan team who didn't do anything more sophisticated than push up on them and wire into them. Their starting forwards attempted just one shot from play in the first half against Kerry - a Darren McCurry effort that was blocked down. Their kick-out is mercurial, to say the least.
After years of wondering would anyone ever find a hole in the Death Star, we're heading into a final where neither team is close to being the finished product. There will be lots of mistakes, plenty of turnovers, handling errors to beat the band. There will, you'd imagine, be a distinct lack of polish to it all. An understandable absence of the studious do-the-right-thing excellence of the Dublin years.
I worry for Mayo when I see the article Aidan O Shea just allowed himself to be part off in the Sunday World this weekend. It shows a lack of focus and a lack of respect for his team mates and manager. I think they are amazingly (and I mean amazingly for Mayo having lost so many finals) taking Tyrone for granted.
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Loving the Mayo confidence with this one, yet again, and just wondering what Screenexile's handicap is for filling his boots too! :P ;)
Jeez Tyrone are great at fabricating an air of confidence into existence so they can convince themselves to get annoyed.
One Mayo fan and a couple of tyrone fans confident, afaics
Quote from: Whishtup on September 05, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
I'm to-ing and fro-ing with this one. Mayo will die on their feet as they will see this as, finally, the opportunity to put the ghost to bed. But is this what will ultimately beat them? The pressure is firmly on Mayo here whereas Tyrone are in bonus territory.
I can't see Tyrone make as many mistakes as they did against Kerry. The reality is that we didn't play anywhere as well as we could offensively and should have been out the gap. Kerry did a cracking job on the long kickouts. Mayo won't be able to achieve this. I am worried that O'Shea has a big game in him. If Tommy Conroy is kept as quiet as Sean O' Se was, then we're in good shape. Last week I said Mayo. Today I say Tyrone, comfortably. I like the fact that Morgan is booming the kickouts if the short play isn't on. Better to lose the ball in midfield than in front of goal and also have the chance of a breaking ball to the half forwards. Makes for good viewing too. Go long for the 1st quarter and see what change we are getting out of it. Looking back at the semi, Dublin were pedestrian at times and frustrated at other times in a way that neither Tyrone and Kerry were. Never looked forward to a game as much as there isn't the same deep rooted emotional attachment that you would find in games against Kerry/Dublin (and Armagh!)
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Are we still going to split Dublin, or has that lost momentum?
The refs all ready list the game for someone before the ball has been thrown in!
More importantly is it definitely on next week?
Not sure if Tyrone have agreed to play next week or not yet. Should get word by Monday or Tuesday.
Nothing funnier than an outbreak of COVID.
No team wants to be that team that loses a senior All Ireland final to Mayo. Will be funny if Tyrone are that team.
Aye, though not as funny as when Tyrone win it and half of this board go into hiding.
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I think Tyrone need a five point lead at half time, and I don't think they will (or I pray they don't)
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Mayo wont lose this one , mayo are the best team in Ireland at present and will win this comfortably by a bigger margin than anyone will predict .
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 05, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
Mayo wont lose this one , mayo are the best team in Ireland at present and will win this comfortably by a bigger margin than anyone will predict .
Not me!
I did predict that Mayo.would beat Dublin by a half dozen points at the start of thàt semi thread and I see no reason to alter my view this time.
Okay the result was only half that but my money will be on Mayo this time also.
But sure there's nothin wrong with a bit of optimism. I hate people playing the poor me.
As a Tyronie, I'm confident. I don't think we've seen the full picture from the team yet. I think each game we have got stronger and I'm hoping we've timed it well to have the final as the showpiece where we have McShane, McKenna, Canavan, McCurry firing on all cylinders.
It's a great place to be, going into a final with a general expectancy that we can win. It'll be close I think. Really close!!
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2021, 09:59:22 AM
I worry for Mayo when I see the article Aidan O Shea just allowed himself to be part off in the Sunday World this weekend. It shows a lack of focus and a lack of respect for his team mates and manager. I think they are amazingly (and I mean amazingly for Mayo having lost so many finals) taking Tyrone for granted.
Was a truly shambolic effort and likely to come back to haunt him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o3l7LqK6o
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2021, 09:59:22 AM
I worry for Mayo when I see the article Aidan O Shea just allowed himself to be part off in the Sunday World this weekend. It shows a lack of focus and a lack of respect for his team mates and manager. I think they are amazingly (and I mean amazingly for Mayo having lost so many finals) taking Tyrone for granted.
What was the jist?
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I worry for Mayo when I see the article Aidan O Shea just allowed himself to be part off in the Sunday World this weekend. It shows a lack of focus and a lack of respect for his team mates and manager. I think they are amazingly (and I mean amazingly for Mayo having lost so many finals) taking Tyrone for granted.
What was the jist?
Well there is a full page photo of Aiden running on the beach in his speedos for a start.
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
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Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the Tyrone semi final, but was obviously finalised before the game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
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Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
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Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the Tyrone semi final, but was obviously finalised before the game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
I would say within their camp it is not the norm but might be the norm for O Shea and it will surely not be something his team mates will like to see, especially since they are most likely trying to keep their heads down and stay away from the hype. A really really poor decision from O Shea.
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Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the Tyrone semi final, but was obviously finalised before the game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
From what I can see O'Shea says his girlfriend is from Kerry but he has converted her to being a Mayo fan, and that the final will be tough whether it is against Kerry or Tyrone. Much ado about nothing.
Brolly was banging on about the 'new Mayo' a few weeks ago after initially saying they'd lose to Dublin. That's par for the course when he gets something wrong, a team is rebranded to suggest his prediction was based on a previous version of that team. Now he has rolled in behind the new Tyrone. If we lose he'll be the first to stick the knife in and will be bigging up Mayo ending the barren years.
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No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.
That's the way I see it also. I can't see Mayo scoring any more than 0.12 or 0.13. That's being optimistic also and I just don't see that as being enough. On O'Shea he's not the talisman for Mayo any more and he's now just a marginal selection. Because of that I don't see the article as being all that significant. There is probably a fair chance he will be left out if Mayo are at full strength.
Quote from: lenny on September 06, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.
That's the way I see it also. I can't see Mayo scoring any more than 0.12 or 0.13. That's being optimistic also and I just don't see that as being enough. On O'Shea he's not the talisman for Mayo any more and he's now just a marginal selection. Because of that I don't see the article as being all that significant. There is probably a fair chance he will be left out if Mayo are at full strength.
At full strength the captain doesn't make the team?
Begorra there would be riots if Hasselhoff didn't make the cut
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
that whole piece was done months ago. It's recency is down to the fact that Mayo are in the final and it was part of a promo for a company that released it as part of an 10th anniversary press release at the end of July.
Good chance this was all done long before the Connacht Final and only getting published now in that paper. Its been regurgitated a few times now by the same publishing stable. Slow news days etc, but the printers getting value for money from the same story.
Can never understand the rage people have on the rare occasion this lad's photo is in a paper. If we makes a few extra euro's off getting his photo taken, good luck to him. He'll be getting loads of abuse from certain quarters no matter what he does.
Fuckin daftness from O'Shea, really really poor judgement. It isnt going to make a difference to the result but in the list of hinder or help ya, its definitely in the doesnt help ya bucket. And if we lose then its just grist to the mill of Brolly, O'Rourke et al.
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
that whole piece was done months ago. It's recency is down to the fact that Mayo are in the final and it was part of a promo for a company that released it as part of an 10th anniversary press release at the end of July.
Good chance this was all done long before the Connacht Final and only getting published now in that paper. Its been regurgitated a few times now by the same publishing stable. Slow news days etc, but the printers getting value for money from the same story.
Can never understand the rage people have on the rare occasion this lad's photo is in a paper. If we makes a few extra euro's off getting his photo taken, good luck to him. He'll be getting loads of abuse from certain quarters no matter what he does.
Months ago my bollix
So I take it I shouldn't bother watching the final cause O'Shea has lost it for us again but this time he has given us a week's notice?
Also why can't the Knockmore lads let the rest of us in the county know earlier since their celebrity power couple always seem to know we are doomed before everyone else going by Brolly's articles in the paper??
Why can't O'Shea, now that he is Captain let Keegan, O'Donoghue and Conroy et all, explain to the lads that it might be easier on themselves and fans a like to bow out gracefully in a semi final and let us enjoy a final with two proper teams of down to earth, volunteer hero, fíor Gael laden with warriors battle it out on the hallowed ground and then we can enjoy the videos of them sweeping the dressing rooms and Irish dancing to Damien Dempsey after showing us all how real football is played??
I dunno at this stage I have lived through Liam McHale losing us All Ireland finals just to keep himself in hair gel to look good for his NBA moves on the court, Ciaran 'Barbie' McDonald more interested in tattoos than kicking points and now O'Shea burgeoning career as an extra on Baywatch losing us another decider!!
The biggest crime of all was the removal of two fíor Gael football men like Holmes and Connelly, who not only brought the highest degree of professionalism along with tactical acumen but they also held their silence after their tragic betrayal when they quite easily could have run to a journalist with an axe to grind against Mayo after any of the final loses and cashed in with a tell all type interview!! Mayo god help us indeed!!!
Congrats to Tyrone in advance on All Ireland title number 4 I just wish the next title comes against a more worthy opponent!!!
Quote from: larryin89 on September 06, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
that whole piece was done months ago. It's recency is down to the fact that Mayo are in the final and it was part of a promo for a company that released it as part of an 10th anniversary press release at the end of July.
Good chance this was all done long before the Connacht Final and only getting published now in that paper. Its been regurgitated a few times now by the same publishing stable. Slow news days etc, but the printers getting value for money from the same story.
Can never understand the rage people have on the rare occasion this lad's photo is in a paper. If we makes a few extra euro's off getting his photo taken, good luck to him. He'll be getting loads of abuse from certain quarters no matter what he does.
Months ago my bollix
Google it yourself if you like. It's there from the end of July, likely an embargo release on it anyway to coincide with the anniversary for the company being promoted. That's how these things work.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 06, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
So I take it I shouldn't bother watching the final cause O'Shea has lost it for us again but this time he has given us a week's notice?
Also why can't the Knockmore lads let the rest of us in the county know earlier since their celebrity power couple always seem to know we are doomed before everyone else going by Brolly's articles in the paper??
Why can't O'Shea, now that he is Captain let Keegan, O'Donoghue and Conroy et all, explain to the lads that it might be easier on themselves and fans a like to bow out gracefully in a semi final and let us enjoy a final with two proper teams of down to earth, volunteer hero, fíor Gael laden with warriors battle it out on the hallowed ground and then we can enjoy the videos of them sweeping the dressing rooms and Irish dancing to Damien Dempsey after showing us all how real football is played??
I dunno at this stage I have lived through Liam McHale losing us All Ireland finals just to keep himself in hair gel to look good for his NBA moves on the court, Ciaran 'Barbie' McDonald more interested in tattoos than kicking points and now O'Shea burgeoning career as an extra on Baywatch losing us another decider!!
The biggest crime of all was the removal of two fíor Gael football men like Holmes and Connelly, who not only brought the highest degree of professionalism along with tactical acumen but they also held their silence after their tragic betrayal when they quite easily could have run to a journalist with an axe to grind against Mayo after any of the final loses and cashed in with a tell all type interview!! Mayo god help us indeed!!!
Congrats to Tyrone in advance on All Ireland title number 4 I just wish the next title comes against a more worthy opponent!!!
don't forget how people putting flags outside of their houses has cost us all Irelands in the past.
Quote from: lenny on September 06, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.
That's the way I see it also. I can't see Mayo scoring any more than 0.12 or 0.13. That's being optimistic also and I just don't see that as being enough. On O'Shea he's not the talisman for Mayo any more and he's now just a marginal selection. Because of that I don't see the article as being all that significant. There is probably a fair chance he will be left out if Mayo are at full strength.
Potentially, Hennelly could bag a couple. Keegan, Durcan 1/2 each. Ruane / Loftus in midfield could and have hit decent scores between them in this year's championship. Mcloughlin, McHale, O'Connor a couple between them. And even if Conroy and O'Donoghue didn't manage a single point from play, could still hit 5/6 between them from dead balls... That's Mayo up around 14/15 without even thinking about goals. All conjecture of course, but showing where Mayo could rack up a decent scoreline if the 2 inside forwards are completely nullified from play.
How much physicality McQuillan allows will have a massive baring on the game. Will be an intriguing contest to say the least... Mayo by 5 (though I predicted Kerry by 5 in the semi final!)
Quote from: JoG2 on September 06, 2021, 12:40:13 PM
How much physicality McQuillan allows will have a massive baring on the game. Will be an intriguing contest to say the least... Mayo by 5 (though I predicted Kerry by 5 in the semi final!)
Fecking brill! ;D :D
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 06, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
that whole piece was done months ago. It's recency is down to the fact that Mayo are in the final and it was part of a promo for a company that released it as part of an 10th anniversary press release at the end of July.
Good chance this was all done long before the Connacht Final and only getting published now in that paper. Its been regurgitated a few times now by the same publishing stable. Slow news days etc, but the printers getting value for money from the same story.
Can never understand the rage people have on the rare occasion this lad's photo is in a paper. If we makes a few extra euro's off getting his photo taken, good luck to him. He'll be getting loads of abuse from certain quarters no matter what he does.
Months ago my bollix
Google it yourself if you like. It's there from the end of July, likely an embargo release on it anyway to coincide with the anniversary for the company being promoted. That's how these things work.
He's quoted talking about a match against either Kerry or Tyrone. Would take some balls to be talking about that before a connacht final ;D
The interview was obviously done a day or 2 after the Dublin game and saved for a Sunday paper. Don't think it will make a blind bit of difference myself, but he's probably making a rod for his back if the result doesn't work out.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2021, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 06, 2021, 12:40:13 PM
How much physicality McQuillan allows will have a massive baring on the game. Will be an intriguing contest to say the least... Mayo by 5 (though I predicted Kerry by 5 in the semi final!)
Fecking brill! ;D :D
Book the open top bus now at a reduced rate! ;D
Quote from: lenny on September 06, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.
That's the way I see it also. I can't see Mayo scoring any more than 0.12 or 0.13. That's being optimistic also and I just don't see that as being enough. On O'Shea he's not the talisman for Mayo any more and he's now just a marginal selection. Because of that I don't see the article as being all that significant. There is probably a fair chance he will be left out if Mayo are at full strength.
Tyrone championship scores against Mayo. 0-12,0-13,0-13,1-9,1-6 and 0-13 was enough for Mayo to bring Dublin to extra time.
They'll be more opportunities for Mayo to score a goal or two against that Tyrone defence than Dublins and I feel Tyrone best chance of winning is scoring at least two goals but as Jim McGuinness said they are less likely to get gifts off the Mayo defence.
I think the the mid-field issue is over talked ... Tyrone won 3 All-Irelands and there wasn't any significant mid field displays in that period .. they always played a fifth man team game. That had one chief driver and that Brian Dooher. He is now bringing that effect from the sideline and has a unbelievable "never say die mentality" ,will to win and experience. I'd say Tyrone will start McShane now that he has had enough game time under his belt. When given the correct type of ball he is actually unmarkable with his ability to score off either foot, they just can't wait until the second half to bring him on .... although you never know. They may prefer to wait till the 3rd quarter when the will have assessed Mayo's strengths and weaknesses.
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 06, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
So I take it I shouldn't bother watching the final cause O'Shea has lost it for us again but this time he has given us a week's notice?
Also why can't the Knockmore lads let the rest of us in the county know earlier since their celebrity power couple always seem to know we are doomed before everyone else going by Brolly's articles in the paper??
Why can't O'Shea, now that he is Captain let Keegan, O'Donoghue and Conroy et all, explain to the lads that it might be easier on themselves and fans a like to bow out gracefully in a semi final and let us enjoy a final with two proper teams of down to earth, volunteer hero, fíor Gael laden with warriors battle it out on the hallowed ground and then we can enjoy the videos of them sweeping the dressing rooms and Irish dancing to Damien Dempsey after showing us all how real football is played??
I dunno at this stage I have lived through Liam McHale losing us All Ireland finals just to keep himself in hair gel to look good for his NBA moves on the court, Ciaran 'Barbie' McDonald more interested in tattoos than kicking points and now O'Shea burgeoning career as an extra on Baywatch losing us another decider!!
The biggest crime of all was the removal of two fíor Gael football men like Holmes and Connelly, who not only brought the highest degree of professionalism along with tactical acumen but they also held their silence after their tragic betrayal when they quite easily could have run to a journalist with an axe to grind against Mayo after any of the final loses and cashed in with a tell all type interview!! Mayo god help us indeed!!!
Congrats to Tyrone in advance on All Ireland title number 4 I just wish the next title comes against a more worthy opponent!!!
don't forget how people putting flags outside of their houses has cost us all Irelands in the past.
I thought it was people enjoying the build up and showing any signs of optimism!
Quote from: larryin89 on September 06, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Its on Brolly's twitter feed if anyone cares to look for a laugh
Christ on a bike. That's unbelievable. Playing up the Kerry connections before a potential final against the Kingdom. And his poor Kerry girlfriend not knowing who to support in the final! Funny how it was published the day after the final, but was obviously finalised before the Tyrone game. Is this attitude the norm in Mayo?
What attitude?
Doing the whole "up for the match" style piece, bigging up family links with the opposition County, before Kerry had even got to the final! If she was from Limerick or Donegal would he have said it?
that whole piece was done months ago. It's recency is down to the fact that Mayo are in the final and it was part of a promo for a company that released it as part of an 10th anniversary press release at the end of July.
Good chance this was all done long before the Connacht Final and only getting published now in that paper. Its been regurgitated a few times now by the same publishing stable. Slow news days etc, but the printers getting value for money from the same story.
Can never understand the rage people have on the rare occasion this lad's photo is in a paper. If we makes a few extra euro's off getting his photo taken, good luck to him. He'll be getting loads of abuse from certain quarters no matter what he does.
Months ago my bollix
Be careful Larry ;you could lose your town halls!
That appeared in the Mayo News at least two months ago. Mind you, no photos.
Some time ago Paul Flynn took part in some advertising campaign or other. Pint is that his likeness on was put on a billboard on the railway bridge in Ballybough. One of the highest profile spots in Dublin and I can't recall Brolly or anyone else reacting. Players, Dubs especially, have took part in promotional campaigns without a a squawk from Brolly.
The man's a wart on the arse of humanity.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 06, 2021, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 06, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
So I take it I shouldn't bother watching the final cause O'Shea has lost it for us again but this time he has given us a week's notice?
Also why can't the Knockmore lads let the rest of us in the county know earlier since their celebrity power couple always seem to know we are doomed before everyone else going by Brolly's articles in the paper??
Why can't O'Shea, now that he is Captain let Keegan, O'Donoghue and Conroy et all, explain to the lads that it might be easier on themselves and fans a like to bow out gracefully in a semi final and let us enjoy a final with two proper teams of down to earth, volunteer hero, fíor Gael laden with warriors battle it out on the hallowed ground and then we can enjoy the videos of them sweeping the dressing rooms and Irish dancing to Damien Dempsey after showing us all how real football is played??
I dunno at this stage I have lived through Liam McHale losing us All Ireland finals just to keep himself in hair gel to look good for his NBA moves on the court, Ciaran 'Barbie' McDonald more interested in tattoos than kicking points and now O'Shea burgeoning career as an extra on Baywatch losing us another decider!!
The biggest crime of all was the removal of two fíor Gael football men like Holmes and Connelly, who not only brought the highest degree of professionalism along with tactical acumen but they also held their silence after their tragic betrayal when they quite easily could have run to a journalist with an axe to grind against Mayo after any of the final loses and cashed in with a tell all type interview!! Mayo god help us indeed!!!
Congrats to Tyrone in advance on All Ireland title number 4 I just wish the next title comes against a more worthy opponent!!!
don't forget how people putting flags outside of their houses has cost us all Irelands in the past.
I thought it was people enjoying the build up and showing any signs of optimism!
Can we not just buy the process thing the GAA spent millions developing for Dublin, it should at least give us naive Mayo folk a few pointers on how many Ford Escorts and Opel Cadets we can paint green and red or how big a Mayo4Sam sign should be??
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Lookit, you could wrap yourself up in circles analysing things like that. The flip of that is that it'll be harder for the Mayo FF line to attack if they're being put on the back foot. You could literally take any point and prob argue both sides to it.
Just on Flag watch as well, there's a few Mayo flags seen in Omagh and surrounding areas. But Sally's have their banner up now so it's all good.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Does Mayo supporters see any possible way that Mayo could lose this All-Ireland final on Saturday?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Does Mayo supporters see any possible way that Mayo could lose this All-Ireland final on Saturday?
Plenty, and as a Mayo supporter I'm well aware of all the bizarre ways to lose we've demonstrated over the years. But what's the point dwelling on it? For the next few days at least we still have a chance, so might as well enjoy it
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Does Mayo supporters see any possible way that Mayo could lose this All-Ireland final on Saturday?
We never think we are going to lose any final, sure why would we. We always have everything covered, interviews in papers, cars, sheep even ducks painted green and red, houses decked in flags, Mayo4Sam written everywhere from the south of France to Belmullet. When we win on Saturday (hard luck Tyrone by the way) it will be the start of seven in a row!!
If getting ahead of ourselves was a problem for Mayo sure surely other counties would let us know or a journalist or two at least would write an informative article about it??
Quote from: Real Talk on September 06, 2021, 01:13:04 PM
I think the the mid-field issue is over talked ... Tyrone won 3 All-Irelands and there wasn't any significant mid field displays in that period .. they always played a fifth man team game. That had one chief driver and that Brian Dooher. He is now bringing that effect from the sideline and has a unbelievable "never say die mentality" ,will to win and experience. I'd say Tyrone will start McShane now that he has had enough game time under his belt. When given the correct type of ball he is actually unmarkable with his ability to score off either foot, they just can't wait until the second half to bring him on .... although you never know. They may prefer to wait till the 3rd quarter when the will have assessed Mayo's strengths and weaknesses.
Was big Hub not MOTM in 03 final?
And Cavanagh was always a big performer in 03 and 05 throughout the champo???
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
I see a good point made on the mayo blog comments
" 4/6 of the Tyrone backs scored from play. 3 in the 1st half alone. How did this happen? It stemmed from the total failure of the opposite Kerry players to track back. The 3 scores were very soft and uncontested. There is no way at all that the Mayo FF line or whomever is marking them will allow this to occur or repeat itself."
Does Mayo supporters see any possible way that Mayo could lose this All-Ireland final on Saturday?
Plenty, and as a Mayo supporter I'm well aware of all the bizarre ways to lose we've demonstrated over the years. But what's the point dwelling on it? For the next few days at least we still have a chance, so might as well enjoy it
Indeed - sure look, I've seen it written that someone had flags and stuff up outside their house in Ballsbridge or Blackrock or somewhere. According to some thats enough for the team to lose the run of themselves. Has cost us the All Ireland already.
In all seriousness - it's a 50 50 game, the bookies have the odds a little skewed in my view, and Mayo need to play to the very best of their abilities and hope for a slice of luck which seems to have eluded us in too many finals before now.
That's some serious under-assessment of the roles Hughes, Cavanagh and mcGinley played in AI Finals.
There's forgetfulness in many internet comments. There's revisionism everywhere and it's frustrating. And then there's the "are you f**king mental?" contributions. That's where this one belongs.
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
I think id start him around the middle and then float him further forward later on depending on how the game is going
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
If I recall right AOS nearly always performed well against Tyrone while he's struggled to deliver any impact v Dublin.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 06, 2021, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
If I recall right AOS nearly always performed well against Tyrone while he's struggled to deliver any impact v Dublin.
Yes, he has no fear of Tyrone.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 06, 2021, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
I watched back the 2016 game there yesterday, the first score of the game was a brilliant kick from himself from outside the 45 on the outside of the boot. Seemed fairly quiet after that. Last kick of the game he took a free kick and played an absolute hospital pass to Clarke, could've been a disaster!
If I recall right AOS nearly always performed well against Tyrone while he's struggled to deliver any impact v Dublin.
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
He'll definitely start, don't think there's any question there. We've lots of depth in terms of defensive cover, but we don't really have a nailed on full forward or centre half forward.
I'd say he'll start at 11 and spend most of the first half around midfield anyway.
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 06, 2021, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Perhaps the O Shea factor could bea feature. Mayo's captain and talisman has already had his annual stinker out of the way before the final.. Assuming he has got his head in the right place in the last couple of weeks, he is on his day a potential matchwinner for Mayo. All the talk is that Mayo wont start him and watch how the game is going. Big call to drop him when he could have a key role to play, and can finally get the monkey of his back in an all Ireland final. If Aidan O Shea plays he could well have a big influence on proceedings either in midfield, tracking Donnelly or indeed bolstering the inside threat of the Mayo ff line. I have a half feeling he will be timed to come in when Mc Shane comes in.
He'll definitely start, don't think there's any question there. We've lots of depth in terms of defensive cover, but we don't really have a nailed on full forward or centre half forward.
I'd say he'll start at 11 and spend most of the first half around midfield anyway.
I'd agree with this
QuoteBut Sally's have their banner up now so it's all good.
Great steak in that shop. Mighty spot.
Quote from: highorlow on September 06, 2021, 02:56:05 PM
QuoteBut Sally's have their banner up now so it's all good.
Great steak in that shop. Mighty spot.
Good spot all right. Many a night (and £) spent in it over the years. I'd link a pic but not sure how too.
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:D
that's class in fairness.
We can lose the run of ourselves up here with the best of them. Plus we get a head start on painting kerbs. It gets started in July, we just need to get rid of the blue!!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 06, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
We can lose the run of ourselves up here with the best of them. Plus we get a head start on painting kerbs. It gets started in July, we just need to get rid of the blue!!
Ah it's a bit of craic. No harm in it. People who give out about that sort of stuff must have nothing but misery in their lives.
The Kerbstones is another story entirely though....
I was already sure in my own mind that they'd make but now afaic they'll 100% be starting https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/09/06/mayo-duo-mullin-and-mclaughlin-in-contention-to-face-tyrone/?fbclid=IwAR01fmAIiFDGi2TqPi85J3_LvSyoT_yVQ8OSVfJDM-axNsjibtWz4dD74vs
See the Home and Away cast are behind the green and red of Mayo anyway.
Rewatching the 2013 semi final, half an hour in. By god my memory of us not being able to kick snow off a rope wasn't wrong at all! Best part was Freeman having a goal ruled out because the ref was pulling it back for a free. Then McLoughlin kicked the 13m, more less centre, wide!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 10:06:27 PM
Rewatching the 2013 semi final, half an hour in. By god my memory of us not being able to kick snow off a rope wasn't wrong at all! Best part was Freeman having a goal ruled out because the ref was pulling it back for a free. Then McLoughlin kicked the 13m, more less centre, wide!
Wait until you get to the penalty for Mayo. We never should have got that. It was outside the box for sure.
It seems to be Chris Barrett coming up with the big scores!
Quote from: Chimley on September 06, 2021, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 10:06:27 PM
Rewatching the 2013 semi final, half an hour in. By god my memory of us not being able to kick snow off a rope wasn't wrong at all! Best part was Freeman having a goal ruled out because the ref was pulling it back for a free. Then McLoughlin kicked the 13m, more less centre, wide!
Wait until you get to the penalty for Mayo. We never should have got that. It was outside the box for sure.
They even showed the replay on the big screen. Dermot Carlin and Joe Mcmahon were pleading with the referee to watch it again.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 10:13:27 PM
It seems to be Chris Barrett coming up with the big scores!
Yeah he got us going that day, but once we got into our stride we won it comfortably enough from what i remember
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2021, 10:13:27 PM
It seems to be Chris Barrett coming up with the big scores!
Yeah he got us going that day, but once we got into our stride we won it comfortably enough from what i remember
32 mins: Tyrone 0-7 Mayo 0-3
38 mins: Tyrone 0-7 Mayo 1-7
I think they're could be a similar trend on Saturday. Poor first half from Mayo, Tyrone leave them in it at half time, Mayo kick on second half
CAnt see how McLaughlin can start - double broken jaw?? Sure he wouldnt even have been eating. Its in the Telegraph so that probably means neither of them will ever play for Mayo again.
Having them would be huge, even if it was to come in at some stage. You cant keep losing quality players and it not have a big impact, without those 2 and COC Mayo are down 20% of a starting team with the additional impact of 3 impact subs moving into the starting team and 3 lesser lads moving onto the bench.
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 10:39:08 PM
CAnt see how McLaughlin can start - double broken jaw?? Sure he wouldnt even have been eating. Its in the Telegraph so that probably means neither of them will ever play for Mayo again.
Having them would be huge, even if it was to come in at some stage. You cant keep losing quality players and it not have a big impact, without those 2 and COC Mayo are down 20% of a starting team with the additional impact of 3 impact subs moving into the starting team and 3 lesser lads moving onto the bench.
The only thing that makes sense there is if he wasn't as badly injured as reported. Horan said that he was back at training on the bike on the Tuesday so that seems to indicate that it wasn't too bad.
Quote from: Chimley on September 06, 2021, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 06, 2021, 10:39:08 PM
CAnt see how McLaughlin can start - double broken jaw?? Sure he wouldnt even have been eating. Its in the Telegraph so that probably means neither of them will ever play for Mayo again.
Having them would be huge, even if it was to come in at some stage. You cant keep losing quality players and it not have a big impact, without those 2 and COC Mayo are down 20% of a starting team with the additional impact of 3 impact subs moving into the starting team and 3 lesser lads moving onto the bench.
The only thing that makes sense there is if he wasn't as badly injured as reported. Horan said that he was back at training on the bike on the Tuesday so that seems to indicate that it wasn't too bad.
Seems to be the case alright. The telegraph loves their leaks but they are rarely wrong with such leaks.
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David Brady has been hard to take seriously after he said Armagh would challenge Tyrone in 2017, but this should be a good night.
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David Brady has been hard to take seriously after he said Armagh would challenge Tyrone in 2017, but this should be a good night.
Can't be having that Colm fella. The amount of crap he but up about tyrone and the whole covid thing I am surprised he wanted to come up to tyrone
I don't think I've ever felt a sense of confidence coming from Mayo going into a final like this one. It's probably the first time they've been favourites going into a final (Tyrone are always underdogs in finals) and they're playing a county that they generally always beat. It's set up perfectly and you sense for the first time that Mayo are thinking of home coming celebrations as opposed to the fear of another loss. Many have admitted being delighted to see Kerry losing.
But having said all that I do feel Tyrone have a great chance. We've serious athletic ability to match Mayo around the middle sector and have quality forwards to do damage including from the bench. I'd love to see Mayo win an All Ireland but not this year. None of this Tyrone team have experienced All Ireland success either and deserve it every bit as much.
Quote from: rrhf on September 07, 2021, 08:38:19 AM
As the telegraph states. Mayo feel this is their best chance of an all Ireland in 70 years.. Do you lads really feel that there were no significant chances in the last 70 years, or is it just because its Tyrone you are playing and in fairness you have our number.
I was fully confident in 2017 to be honest. After they beat Kerry in the semi that year, I honestly couldn't see either Tyrone or Dublin beating them. This year, while it's a novel pairing has me thinking "ffs, we take out the Dubs and may lose another final".
Hard to allow myself to dream after all the disappointments in previous years.
If its the Connaught Telegraph your talking about then paper never refused ink is all I'll say. If its the UK Telegraph then enough said.
Anyone who thinks this is a "great chance" doesn't know what they are talking about, Mayo are slight favourites with the bookies because thats where the money is going, but only slightly so.
Looking back at the respective semis, Mayo should never have won it, Tyrone had more of a structure and more of a plan. Mayo just ended up in a situation where they landed on the right side of the scoreboard for once.
Tyrone are more experienced, Mayo are half young bucks, potentially missing young player of the year and the highest scoring forward in the history of the GAA.
Tyrone have people in the setup who know how to/what its like to win senior all irelands recently, our collective experience is all about losing them.
I really dont see the case for making Mayo favorites.
Regarding the 70 year comment, the all ireland was won twice in 1996, should have been won again in 1997 but no-one thought to mark Maurice Fitz and at least once between 2012 and 2017. This is not the best chance by any means, being a point up and a man up, with 6 minutes to go in normal time and just after being awarded a scoreable free to go 2 up and waste some more time before someone decided to get themselves sent off was probably another one of the better chances over the past 70 years than this years final.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
I was fully confident in 2017 to be honest. After they beat Kerry in the semi that year, I honestly couldn't see either Tyrone or Dublin beating them. This year, while it's a novel pairing has me thinking "ffs, we take out the Dubs and may lose another final".
Hard to allow myself to dream after all the disappointments in previous years.
That was the big fear before the Semi-Final, we take out the Dubs and then get beaten in the Final, admittedly most people thought Kerry would be in the Final.
It would be a sickener to be beaten by Kerry, as over the years of Dublin dominance they never laid a glove on Dublin and left all the heavy lifting to Mayo.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 07, 2021, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
I was fully confident in 2017 to be honest. After they beat Kerry in the semi that year, I honestly couldn't see either Tyrone or Dublin beating them. This year, while it's a novel pairing has me thinking "ffs, we take out the Dubs and may lose another final".
Hard to allow myself to dream after all the disappointments in previous years.
That was the big fear before the Semi-Final, we take out the Dubs and then get beaten in the Final, admittedly most people thought Kerry would be in the Final.
It would be a sickener to be beaten by Kerry, as over the years of Dublin dominance they never laid a glove on Dublin and left all the heavy lifting to Mayo.
Our All Ireland final appearances over the past 20 years generally throw whatever you think before hand out of the window when the game comes anyway. I've made solid cases in my own head where we might win only to be proven spectacularly wrong (2006 being the worst!) and gone to Croker presuming we were going to get trimmed only to nearly win it (2016, 2017)
We also do own goals, have the ref come down heavily in favour of the opposition, give the opposition a 1 goal head start and other mad things as well so who knows what madness next Saturday will bring. Feck all point analysing.
https://punditarena.com/gaa/eoin-harte/joe-brolly-rte-coverage-mayo-tyrone/
Quote from: iorras on September 07, 2021, 10:33:32 AM
If its the Connaught Telegraph your talking about then paper never refused ink is all I'll say. If its the UK Telegraph then enough said.
Anyone who thinks this is a "great chance" doesn't know what they are talking about, Mayo are slight favourites with the bookies because thats where the money is going, but only slightly so.
Looking back at the respective semis, Mayo should never have won it, Tyrone had more of a structure and more of a plan. Mayo just ended up in a situation where they landed on the right side of the scoreboard for once.
Tyrone are more experienced, Mayo are half young bucks, potentially missing young player of the year and the highest scoring forward in the history of the GAA.
Tyrone have people in the setup who know how to/what its like to win senior all irelands recently, our collective experience is all about losing them.
I really dont see the case for making Mayo favorites.
Regarding the 70 year comment, the all ireland was won twice in 1996, should have been won again in 1997 but no-one thought to mark Maurice Fitz and at least once between 2012 and 2017. This is not the best chance by any means, being a point up and a man up, with 6 minutes to go in normal time and just after being awarded a scoreable free to go 2 up and waste some more time before someone decided to get themselves sent off was probably another one of the better chances over the past 70 years than this years final.
Love the final paragraph. Nail on the head
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland...
Indeed, and the only AI winner about the place will be in our dressing room though! ;)
Mayo may have a young team but they play like they were never told how much it sucks to lose and yet have the experience of playing in a (slightly Odd) all Ireland
which i think is a great mixture .
now is the time to win it as they may never play in another Final . imagine telling Wexford after their 4 in a row that they'd never play another final again. you just never can Tell
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 07, 2021, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland...
Indeed, and the only AI winner about the place will be in our dressing room though! ;)
I don't think that matters at all... when the nerves are going in the last ten or fifteen he can't kick it over the bar or slow the game down at critical moments etc. Both teams IMO were nervy in the semis and should have won by more. Probably more Tyrone than Mayo in that regard tbh.
Probably right rh88.
The last ten or fifteen minutes of this, unless it's a hammering session one way or the other which very few think it will be, are going to be nervy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 07, 2021, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland...
Indeed, and the only AI winner about the place will be in our dressing room though! ;)
I don't think that matters at all... when the nerves are going in the last ten or fifteen he can't kick it over the bar or slow the game down at critical moments etc. Both teams IMO were nervy in the semis and should have won by more. Probably more Tyrone than Mayo in that regard tbh.
Probably right rh88.
The last ten or fifteen minutes of this, unless it's a hammering session one way or the other which very few think it will be, are going to be nervy.
Indeed, if I'm not lucky enough to get a ticket then I'll be behind the couch if its close int he last 10 minutes. funnily enough I'm very bad watching on TV, much less stressed when actually there.
Sound on, annoying commentator says something that pisses me off, sound off, silence for 10 minutes, try radio commentary, match is going well, someone moves where they are sitting, roar at them for moving, opposition score a point, all their fault for moving, go outside, walk around the house, say I'll check it again in 10 minutes, dont last 2, come back in, not going well, f**k this I'm not watching it anymore, go outside again, big roar from inside, run back in, we scored a goal, mighty, I'll watch the rest of it, loose the kickout and they point, f**k it, back out again. And on the madness goes......
So someone just give me a ticket, much better for my mental health, my family and pets collective safety
Quote from: iorras on September 07, 2021, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 07, 2021, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland...
Indeed, and the only AI winner about the place will be in our dressing room though! ;)
I don't think that matters at all... when the nerves are going in the last ten or fifteen he can't kick it over the bar or slow the game down at critical moments etc. Both teams IMO were nervy in the semis and should have won by more. Probably more Tyrone than Mayo in that regard tbh.
Probably right rh88.
The last ten or fifteen minutes of this, unless it's a hammering session one way or the other which very few think it will be, are going to be nervy.
Indeed, if I'm not lucky enough to get a ticket then I'll be behind the couch if its close int he last 10 minutes. funnily enough I'm very bad watching on TV, much less stressed when actually there.
Sound on, annoying commentator says something that pisses me off, sound off, silence for 10 minutes, try radio commentary, match is going well, someone moves where they are sitting, roar at them for moving, opposition score a point, all their fault for moving, go outside, walk around the house, say I'll check it again in 10 minutes, dont last 2, come back in, not going well, f**k this I'm not watching it anymore, go outside again, big roar from inside, run back in, we scored a goal, mighty, I'll watch the rest of it, loose the kickout and they point, f**k it, back out again. And on the madness goes......
So someone just give me a ticket, much better for my mental health, my family and pets collective safety
You sound like my uncle, only he gets his wife to shout the scores out the window at him. :D
It might have already been said, but I think Tyrone have a disadvantage from the 2 week turnaround after the Kerry match. They will have spent the first week coming down from that high. Mayo on the other hand have more time adjust after coming of the high of beating Dublin. How much will that really mean?
As a neutral fan, I think it's great that there is only a short build up to the final. With a 3-4 week build up, you eventually get sick looking at the same meaningless articles as the media rip the bag out of it.
Quote from: APM on September 07, 2021, 03:33:26 PM
It might have already been said, but I think Tyrone have a disadvantage from the 2 week turnaround after the Kerry match. ...
We had barely a week before the Kerry game, so 2 clear weeks before the Mayo game is a veritable luxury! :P
I read Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh's autobiography, he was involved in training the Kerry lads based in Dublin in the 70's and 80's and he said that for him the most important element of training in getting players ready for a match was 'freshness' which struck me as the word I would have used when looking at the Kerry Tyrone semi.
PS don't ask me to define freshness but I know exactly what he meant.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 07, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Erm....
2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol
I just caught up with the last 10 pages and I tell ye what it's been a pleasure to read, decent debate, tactical analysis, very little spouting shite about the opposition, no crying about refs. A little bit of nonsense about who's supporters are most confident, like that matters a damn.
Anyway, I have my bunting up here in South Sligo, I might as well be in the heart of Mayo here with all the green and red flags!!
I had a spin down to Galway on Sunday and I have to say the Mayo part of the N17 is well decked out so as always fair play to ye, it's great to see and well replicated up home by all accounts.
Quote from: the_daddy on September 07, 2021, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 07, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Erm....
2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol
Kerry men had medals in 02 and Armagh had them in 03. No-one in the game has.
::) ::) f**k me I'm a dope, of course, I was going by the winners not having any medals.
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 07, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Erm....
2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol
That Kerry team in 2002, most had won it in 2000.
Can't recall any All Ireland in 2003.
Any decent podcasts or listen back episodes out for the final yet?? I was hoping we'd have a few yesterday but the ones I usually listen to seem to have all be about the ladies final day
Quote from: BennyCake on September 07, 2021, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 07, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Erm....
2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol
That Kerry team in 2002, most had won it in 2000.
Can't recall any All Ireland in 2003.
2012 - Mayo - Donegal - no?
I'm not the only one who struggles with reading :)
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Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.
Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.
It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.
Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?
Erm....
2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol
That Kerry team in 2002, most had won it in 2000.
Can't recall any All Ireland in 2003.
2012 - Mayo - Donegal - no?
Ya 2012 would be the last time, they were asking if there was any *other* time this century
so many ifs or buts with this one its just so hard to call
if Tyrone are able to bring the intensity of the last day I can't see the Mayo fwd line coping
If Mayo perform like they did in the first 40 v the Dubs then I can't see them winning
However
Mayos hunger, work rate and pace in the 2nd half v Galway and Dublin will be hard to stop if they being it in the first half
Head on the chop, I'll go for a draw :)
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
Any decent podcasts or listen back episodes out for the final yet?? I was hoping we'd have a few yesterday but the ones I usually listen to seem to have all be about the ladies final day
the mayo news one is usually very good unless that bore Ginnigan is on it .
but the mayo news team them selves are excellent , Mcgreal ,Finnerty Flanagan Rob murphy and lately BJP as a Presenter . with top class contributors . They are pretty fair to all even allowing for natural Bias
Good man I'll have a gander.
Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
If true its a huge ask and risk putting him in. When was the last time he played?
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
If true its a huge ask and risk putting him in. When was the last time he played?
Not since Clare game in the league. I cant see any way he could possibly be put on. If he does come on, we're either fcked, or we're hammering ye!
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
If true its a huge ask and risk putting him in. When was the last time he played?
Not since Clare game in the league. I cant see any way he could possibly be put on. If he does come on, we're either fcked, or we're hammering ye!
If only a few players caught Covid and asked for an extension then another one, he'd be fit then
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
If true its a huge ask and risk putting him in. When was the last time he played?
Not since Clare game in the league. I cant see any way he could possibly be put on. If he does come on, we're either fcked, or we're hammering ye!
LOL that would be the 2 situations to bring him on.
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
don't believe it for a second.
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Aidan henry of the connacht telegraph reporting Cillian is back training
Reports are emerging that Cillian O'Connor is back in Mayo training.
It has fuelled speculation he could be included in the James Horan's 26-man match day squad for next Saturday's All-Ireland SFC final against Tyrone.
It would be a remarkable comeback for the all-time top scorer in the championship after he sustained an Achilles tendon injury in the final National League match against Clare last June.
Reading between the lines of what is reported he could be on the 26 while McLaughlin and Mullin will start.
Could be one vacancy up for grabs in the 26 , depends on how getting fluid out of the knee impacts a player .
Quote from: larryin89 on September 07, 2021, 07:15:14 PM
Could be one vacancy up for grabs in the 26 , depends on how getting fluid out of the knee impacts a player .
Ah don't be putting us on a downer in the week of an AI. At least it sounds like it's not a starter.
Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.
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Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.
Yeah that means ye will win sat . No bother to ye , oh btw tom cunnife shoulder was exactly that fair and true square
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 07, 2021, 08:39:47 PM
Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.
Sorry not being a Dub, but TCs shoulder on Petey is in the textbook as to how to shoulder. Leeroy learned from the Ricey book of niggle and only got past chapter 2 :)
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Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.
Yeah that means ye will win sat . No bother to ye , oh btw tom cunnife shoulder was exactly that fair and true square
I'm only on the wind up. I watched the shoulder again there. Not sure about it. It was a square shoulder but Peter was going for the ball while Tom was directly going for Peter. Peter couldn't brace himself for it. Not sure what the rules are in that case. I would have thought if one player going for the ball while the other was going for the player it would have been a foul. There was no malice in however
First they build a victory platform, now they bring back O'Connor for a winners medal.
Player dipping for ball and being shouldered is a foul all day long... player going for a ball and being shouldered is not, providing he's squared on.
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Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.
Yeah that means ye will win sat . No bother to ye , oh btw tom cunnife shoulder was exactly that fair and true square
the rule doesnt say anything about that , i dont agree with the rule tbh and think it could cause serious damage to someone someday as every year goes by these top players get stronger and better conditioned , some power in them hits nowadays.
I'm only on the wind up. I watched the shoulder again there. Not sure about it. It was a square shoulder but Peter was going for the ball while Tom was directly going for Peter. Peter couldn't brace himself for it. Not sure what the rules are in that case. I would have thought if one player going for the ball while the other was going for the player it would have been a foul. There was no malice in however
It's the angle he came in at(coming from front) , made no attempt to play the ball and Harte's body was open as he was reaching for the ball. Shoulder to shoulder does not trump dangerous play. Depending on ref could be yellow or straight red so he was a lucky boy. Nobody wants to see this type of tackle and I would not complain if a Tyrone player was sent off for this.
Quote from: Whishtup on September 07, 2021, 10:59:06 PM
It's the angle he came in at(coming from front) , made no attempt to play the ball and Harte's body was open as he was reaching for the ball. Shoulder to shoulder does not trump dangerous play. Depending on ref could be yellow or straight red so he was a lucky boy. Nobody wants to see this type of tackle and I would not complain if a Tyrone player was sent off for this.
I made and deleted a post there because I had a video of the play and explained how I thought it was a cert foul too. However I then looked at the rules and quickly deleted my post :)
My assumption was that it was a foul because Harte wasn't in possession of the ball, however all the rules say about a shoulder is....
1.9 Provided that he has at least one foot on the ground, a player may make a shoulder to shoulder charge on an opponent-
(a) who is in possession of the ball,
or
(b) who is playing the ball,
or
(c) when both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it
Harte didn't have the ball. He never had the ball, he touched it but wasn't in possession and the contact was after Harte had played it so situation (a) didn't exist. Situation (b) is questionable and could be argued either way, Harte attempted to play the ball, it slipped through his fingers and was hit moments later. I'd say under that stipulation it was a fair hit. However it was certainly a fair hit under stipulation (c) as both players were still moving towards the ball.
The only remaining questions are;
1) was it shoulder to shoulder and it clearly was.
2) Was TC's foot on the ground? It was.
The challenge is 45 seconds into this vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV0t36dyEBk&t=49s
Now whether the GAA should allow such a challenge is a different proposition but I think they should. It's a manly game and if you can't hit a man fair and square on the shoulder and buckle him then what are we at??
Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
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Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
Can't see him being on the bench at all. He was still in a cast and crutches up to a few weeks ago. Even if he's back walking now, there would be several months of physio and rehab before you could go back playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wPnyztPqbRc&feature=youtu.be
Cant wait to see the videos next week
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-mayo-s-track-record-suggests-they-can-take-the-final-step-1.4667662?mode=ampAll things considered, I'm siding with Mayo. They have pulled themselves out of disastrous situations against both Galway and Dublin. They have showed that when the intensity gets up to the highest level, that's where they thrive.
Tyrone knew they could disrupt Kerry by turning up the heat. But the higher they turn the heat on Mayo, the more Mayo like it.
When it comes right down to it, Mayo have beaten better teams than Tyrone have over the past few seasons. They have everything in their track record except the last thing, the most important thing. Now's their time to go and get it.
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Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
Don't think there is extra time, goes straight to a replay.
I thought it was extra time ?
If a replay when is it fixed for ?
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I thought it was extra time ?
If a replay when is it fixed for ?
I'd imagine the following week, and if so, anyone who had a ticket for the first game should not get a ticket for the second game, seems fair considering the amount of true supporters that have missed out..... see how that plays out ;)
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I thought it was extra time ?
If a replay when is it fixed for ?
According to the GAA fixtures website, there will be extra time if necessary
Extra time if needed this weekend. If it's still level replay on Sunday 19th
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 11:49:14 PM
Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
Ahh would ye put a sock in it, Pete Harte is twice the player
The man couldn't even kick a ball through a tyre from point blank range
Some Mayonnaise lads expect a medal just for getting out of bed in the morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtcy-WgTWbI
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 11:49:14 PM
Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohan, until the last possible moment.
That way, Tyrone's pre-matchups can't be finalised until Horan finally shows his hand.I'm guessing that won't happen until the teams line up behind the Artane Boys Band!
From what I'm hearing from down home, Eoghan Mac is probably fit to play but won't start.
The rumour is that his jaw break wasn't as bad as originally feared. He didn't need to have the jaw wired, merely had plates inserted. (And no, I don't understand that either!)
Can't see Cillian starting or making the bench but we all will have to wait until the throw-in.
Never thought I'd be saying this but please God the COC rumours are just Connaught Telegraph shite talk.
Shades of Dermot Flanagan in 97, when he had a small hospital on his leg going into the match, could barely walk in the parade, had to be taken off after about 5 minutes and then JM nearly changed every line on the team to accommodate the substitution.
Not one of JM's finest hours.
We dont need the sideshow of a player who could not possibly be fit being parachuted in. Anyone who thinks Dooher and L
Unless it was some mad theory like, well he cant run but he can kick with his good foot so have him in standing in the corner to take frees! NFL special teams :)
If you look at Horan's tenure with Mayo, he is given to a few things but sentimentality wouldn't seem to be one of them.
I sincerely doubt CoC went from protective boot to high intensity training in the course of a couple of days. If he was light training over the previous few weeks, he may have just ramped it up this past week (likely against doctor's orders) to give it a shot. And if that's worked out he will surely be on the bench. He doesn't have to be match fit to be a scoring threat for 10-15 mins.
But that's a lot of ifs, and i can't see Horan giving him the nod unless they're all in a line.
Anyone listening to Aiden Henry needs their head examined
Assuming there won't be any Roscommon people in their 26 and as Tyrone have no chip on the shoulder issue I'm giving a hesitant vote to Co.Mayo to win it on the 70th anniversary of their last one.
It's a 50/50 game so down to whoever performs best on the day, gets the more things right, less errors etc.
At least for the first time in 7 or 8 years it's not a foregone conclusion.
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Assuming there won't be any Roscommon people in their 26 and as Tyrone have no chip on the shoulder issue I'm giving a hesitant vote to Co.Mayo to win it on the 70th anniversary of their last one.
It's a 50/50 game so down to whoever performs best on the day, gets the more things right, less errors etc.
At least for the first time in 7 or 8 years it's not a foregone conclusion.
Not that I'd consider them rossies in any way shape or form but in 51 saen Flanagan ballagh and mick loftus born in kiltoom, kinda puts that notion to bed in the context of your " mayo cant win with rossies involved"
Was Sean Flanagan not a blow in from Co Mayo?
Mick Loftus left Ros when he was 2 I believe.
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Was Sean Flanagan not a blow in from Co Mayo?
Mick Loftus left Ros when he was 2 I believe.
Haha yes he was from toureen originally I think , agahamore club I'm sure I read somewhere but my point still stands. Any ticket for me
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Was Sean Flanagan not a blow in from Co Mayo?
Mick Loftus left Ros when he was 2 I believe.
Sean Flanagan was from Aghamore I believe.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 08, 2021, 12:29:57 PM
Anyone listening to Aiden Henry needs their head examined
half agree, but at least it is not a cliche filled article, like half the crap you read from the more "seasoned" Dublin and Kerry journalists.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
You try to hide your confidence but its telling, your ilk are in for some rude awakening sat evening
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2021, 02:08:16 PM
Was Sean Flanagan not a blow in from Co Mayo?
Mick Loftus left Ros when he was 2 I believe.
Sean Flanagan was from Aghamore I believe.
He was
A relation of mine went to school with him
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
You try to hide your confidence but its telling, your ilk are in for some rude awakening sat evening
Sickening arrogance!
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2021, 02:36:53 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
You try to hide your confidence but its telling, your ilk are in for some rude awakening sat evening
Sickening arrogance!
Absolutely
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
How many all Ireland finals have Tyrone lost? For me they don't lose winnable finals - the Dublin one wasn't winnable and this is going back a while but the 86 one wasn't either. Kerry and Dublin were just too good. The three they won were touch and go if they would win but when it was tight they got it done.
This is a hard one to call. I think Mayo are a bit better but I expect them to be very nervous too which will level it out a bit. I have a feeling that will swing it tyrone's way and they will win.
6 points up in the second half and about to take a penalty isn't a winnable situation?
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
You try to hide your confidence but its telling, your ilk are in for some rude awakening sat evening
Sickening arrogance!
Absolutely
Its better than the shite that normally comes from supporters!! Big your team up, makes a dam bit of difference on here who wins
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 08, 2021, 09:33:18 AM
Extra time if needed this weekend. If it's still level replay on Sunday 19th
John Prenty said the other day that this final will go straight to a replay if kevel after 70 minutes.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2021, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 08, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Oh, no it isn't! It's just James H playing his version of silly buggers, as Jack Charlton might put it. He wants to keep everybody guessing, including Dooher and Lohgan, until the last possible moment.
....
This amuses me, as if Messrs Dooher and Logan wouldn't be wise to Horan and his grey arts! :P ;)
You try to hide your confidence but its telling, your ilk are in for some rude awakening sat evening
Sickening arrogance!
Absolutely
Its better than the shite that normally comes from supporters!! Big your team up, makes a dam bit of difference on here who wins
Exactly, all Ireland finals don't come around every day. Might as well enjoy it! Plenty of time for complaining and cynicism after if they lose. Who knows what way it will go, but we can enjoy the build up while we're still in it
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Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 11:49:14 PM
Is CoC being parachuted into the team unfit to make an appearance in the last few minutes if Mayo are up just so he can get his hands on a medal? No way he could be back from an achilles Tendon in 2 and a half months.
I'm only guessing but that would be incredible from the management to use a bench space like that. No player in the country probably deserves a medal more but when you have only 11 subs and a really good chance of using a lot of them if it goes to extra time.
Surely this has to be nonsense.
Ahh would ye put a sock in it, Pete Harte is twice the player
The man couldn't even kick a ball through a tyre from point blank range
Some Mayonnaise lads expect a medal just for getting out of bed in the morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtcy-WgTWbI
And again, I'm from Tyrone lol
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Any decent podcasts or listen back episodes out for the final yet?? I was hoping we'd have a few yesterday but the ones I usually listen to seem to have all be about the ladies final day
the mayo news one is usually very good unless that bore Ginnigan is on it .
but the mayo news team them selves are excellent , Mcgreal ,Finnerty Flanagan Rob murphy and lately BJP as a Presenter . with top class contributors . They are pretty fair to all even allowing for natural Bias
I actually listened to the latest one last night there with Stephen Rochford and BJP. Decent listen even if it did come with the usual few hyperbolic statements about Tyrone play.
Funny the Mayo News Pod probably gives Tyrone more credit and actually analysed the Tyrone players individually better than most of the apparent neutral MSN pods who have pretty much only talked about how kerry lost the game since last week.
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
And 1995? For me that Dublin team was arguably the worst team to win the All-Ireland in the last 30 years.
Right now we have Tyrone who aren't at the level of their All-Ireland winning teams of 2003, 05,08 and Mayo aren't at the level they were at in 2013 to 2017 however one will win the All-Ireland.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
Have you erased 1995 from your memory?
2003 - was so tight to call. Anything could have happened. But if Stevie scores that goal, and Hughes deservedly gets the line instead of Marsden, and we would've had 2 in a row
2005/08 - couldn't see Tyrone losing them.
2018 - was contented knowing Tyrone would be nowhere near winning that one.
1995 - close to call. Probably had Dublin as slight favourite
2021 - a very hard one to call, although I have a bad feeling Tyrone will edge it.
I'm away to wash my mouth out
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
Have you erased 1995 from your memory?
2003 - was so tight to call. Anything could have happened. But if Stevie scores that goal, and Hughes deservedly gets the line instead of Marsden, and we would've had 2 in a row
2005/08 - couldn't see Tyrone losing them.
2018 - was contented knowing Tyrone would be nowhere near winning that one.
1995 - close to call. Probably had Dublin as slight favourite
2021 - a very hard one to call, although I have a bad feeling Tyrone will edge it.
I'm away to wash my mouth out
And all people in tyrone are content knowing that they won't have to worry about armagh getting to a semi final never mind final for another very long time yet 😂
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 08, 2021, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
Have you erased 1995 from your memory?
2003 - was so tight to call. Anything could have happened. But if Stevie scores that goal, and Hughes deservedly gets the line instead of Marsden, and we would've had 2 in a row
2005/08 - couldn't see Tyrone losing them.
2018 - was contented knowing Tyrone would be nowhere near winning that one.
1995 - close to call. Probably had Dublin as slight favourite
2021 - a very hard one to call, although I have a bad feeling Tyrone will edge it.
I'm away to wash my mouth out
And all people in tyrone are content knowing that they won't have to worry about armagh getting to a semi final never mind final for another very long time yet 😂
Whatever gets you through the day ;)
Totally forgot about 95, probably similar odds to this year tbh.
As for 08, couldn't see Tyrone losing. Seriously, against the 3 in a row chasing kerry!
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Any decent podcasts or listen back episodes out for the final yet?? I was hoping we'd have a few yesterday but the ones I usually listen to seem to have all be about the ladies final day
the mayo news one is usually very good unless that bore Ginnigan is on it .
but the mayo news team them selves are excellent , Mcgreal ,Finnerty Flanagan Rob murphy and lately BJP as a Presenter . with top class contributors . They are pretty fair to all even allowing for natural Bias
I actually listened to the latest one last night there with Stephen Rochford and BJP. Decent listen even if it did come with the usual few hyperbolic statements about Tyrone play.
Funny the Mayo News Pod probably gives Tyrone more credit and actually analysed the Tyrone players individually better than most of the apparent neutral MSN pods who have pretty much only talked about how kerry lost the game since last week.
Listened to OTB and The GAA Hour... If you didn't know the score you'd swear Tyrone had wiped the floor with Kerry.
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Quote from: rosnarun on September 07, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 07, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
Any decent podcasts or listen back episodes out for the final yet?? I was hoping we'd have a few yesterday but the ones I usually listen to seem to have all be about the ladies final day
the mayo news one is usually very good unless that bore Ginnigan is on it .
but the mayo news team them selves are excellent , Mcgreal ,Finnerty Flanagan Rob murphy and lately BJP as a Presenter . with top class contributors . They are pretty fair to all even allowing for natural Bias
I actually listened to the latest one last night there with Stephen Rochford and BJP. Decent listen even if it did come with the usual few hyperbolic statements about Tyrone play.
Funny the Mayo News Pod probably gives Tyrone more credit and actually analysed the Tyrone players individually better than most of the apparent neutral MSN pods who have pretty much only talked about how kerry lost the game since last week.
Listened to OTB and The GAA Hour... If you didn't know the score you'd swear Tyrone had wiped the floor with Kerry.
Hugely critical of Kerry, but at least the ones in the immediate aftermath of the game barely mentioned Tyrone.
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Ahahaha class
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 08, 2021, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Thinking of my thoughts before previous All-Ireland finals and where this one fits from the best chance to no chance:
2003 - knew this would be close but slightly fancied us to do it
2005 - probably our best team ever but playing an excellent Kerry team so too close to call
2021 - slight underdogs maybe weighing it 45/55 in mayo favour
2008 - not quite as bad as the two below but didn't fancy us at all
1986 - bit young but even at that age I knew we were up against it
2018 - went down in hope rather than expectation. Not much of a chance
Basically all if the above means I only ever fancied Tyrone in one final and we've won three. Don't fancy them this weekend either but as someone else says, it's great to be involved and hopefully I'm
Have you erased 1995 from your memory?
2003 - was so tight to call. Anything could have happened. But if Stevie scores that goal, and Hughes deservedly gets the line instead of Marsden, and we would've had 2 in a row
2005/08 - couldn't see Tyrone losing them.
2018 - was contented knowing Tyrone would be nowhere near winning that one.
1995 - close to call. Probably had Dublin as slight favourite
2021 - a very hard one to call, although I have a bad feeling Tyrone will edge it.
I'm away to wash my mouth out
And all people in tyrone are content knowing that they won't have to worry about armagh getting to a semi final never mind final for another very long time yet 😂
Whatever gets you through the day ;)
I would love to have a repeat of those Tyrone Armagh days of the mid noughties to be honest. Those days were special. Not talking about the victories but just the general competition between the best two teams in Ireland who happened to be neighbours. Tension like I ve never experienced before or since !! It was unreal !
Sickening arrogance: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjkOryoOjJ/
:P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 08, 2021, 09:52:24 PM
Sickening arrogance: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjkOryoOjJ/
:P
Is that real??
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 08, 2021, 09:52:24 PM
Sickening arrogance: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjkOryoOjJ/
:P
Is that real??
Yep, absolutely -- on their Facebook page too 'Mocha Beans Ballina'. :-\
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 08, 2021, 09:52:24 PM
Sickening arrogance: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjkOryoOjJ/
:P
Is that real??
Yes
Mind blowing how fvckin stupid they are
They even have a "replica" of Sam where supporters can get some practice in lifting Sam somewhere else in Ballina.
If I wasn't 3000 miles away I'd smash every window in the place
Ah who gives a monkeys it's a bitta craic.
FFS if you listen to the podcast I just heard with Brian mcguigan you'd be saying that was pure arrogance too.
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Quote from: whitey on September 08, 2021, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 08, 2021, 09:52:24 PM
Sickening arrogance: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjkOryoOjJ/
:P
Is that real??
Yes
Mind blowing how fvckin stupid they are
They even have a "replica" of Sam where supporters can get some practice in lifting Sam somewhere else in Ballina.
If I wasn't 3000 miles away I'd smash every window in the place
So is Aidan O'Shea off the hook now and we can all blame Mocha Beans for the loss!! Jesus there seems to be an awful lot of people losing this final already, I'm having trouble keeping up with it all!!
I think the coffee will be needed more on Sunday.
Cootehill having the craic.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 08, 2021, 10:45:36 PM
Cootehill having the craic.
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Cootehill Cavan?
Quote from: Jayop on September 08, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
Cootehill Cavan?
Yes. Niall Moyna on TV tonight has predicted Mayo to win because he thinks Mayos hunger will be greater and Tyrone wouldn't be able to match the intensity they brought to the Kerry game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 08, 2021, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 08, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
Cootehill Cavan?
Yes. Niall Moyna on TV tonight has predicted Mayo to win because he thinks Mayos hunger will be greater and Tyrone wouldn't be able to match the intensity they brought to the Kerry game.
That line of thinking is just so stupid to me.
Team A has done something before so there's no way they can the very same thing again. Idiotic imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3j5ZQKZf4
Mugsy and Alan Brogan. Decent chat about the game.
Quote from: Jayop on September 08, 2021, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 08, 2021, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 08, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
Cootehill Cavan?
Yes. Niall Moyna on TV tonight has predicted Mayo to win because he thinks Mayos hunger will be greater and Tyrone wouldn't be able to match the intensity they brought to the Kerry game.
That line of thinking is just so stupid to me.
Team A has done something before so there's no way they can the very same thing again. Idiotic imo.
Big time. The odds would be on Tyrone actually bringing more intensity for this game. Does Moyna not realise that there was little training done prior to the final and there were players who were recently not 100%.
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
Quote from: clarshack on September 09, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
I agree. Kerry were literally one kick of the ball away from being hailed as "more than a match for Tyrone's intensity".
This thread is proof enough that most people don't remember what they had for breakfast, let alone what happened in a match 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
TBH there was little sign of Mayo's intensity in the first half against the Dubs, even their supporters on here were done with it. If they have a half like that against Tyrone, I don't see a way back for them. A Dublin team that thought they had done enough switched off and allowed them back in again. Will Mayo manage a full 70 mins at that level? I don't know. ( I suppose you could argue the 2nd half and Extra time) It will be interesting but I don't believe there will be anything lacking in either sides intensity tbh.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form
larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Over half the kerry team were lying on the ground with cramp .
Andy Moran lost 6 finals
If Mayo.win on Sunday that sort of Mayo experience will belong in the past.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Not this time , we will hammer Tyrone out the gate on sat
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Not this time , we will hammer Tyrone out the gate on sat
I can actually smell the fear of Tyrone from here! :D
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Not this time , we will hammer Tyrone out the gate on sat
I can actually smell the fear of Tyrone from here! :D
Is that evident through championship history one 1 point loss in five championshp meetings . No fear of Tyrone, pure bananas talk that . What's to fear, they've done nothing in recent times to suggest mayo should fear them , they got a victory over a badly set up kerry . I'd still fancy a mediocre kerry ( albeit exceptionally talented forwards in o shea and clifford ) to beat Tyrone. Peter keane is just a useless manager as was proven by cork last year
https://www.businesspost.ie/companies/credit-offered-for-mayos-crunch-day-30a9d541?utm_campaign=article&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web (https://www.businesspost.ie/companies/credit-offered-for-mayos-crunch-day-30a9d541?utm_campaign=article&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web)
Ballina credit union doing loans for celebrations.
The run of themselves, they are losing it.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 10:56:37 AM
Is that evident through championship history one 1 point loss in five championshp meetings . No fear of Tyrone, pure bananas talk that . What's to fear, they've done nothing in recent times to suggest mayo should fear them , they got a victory over a badly set up kerry . I'd still fancy a mediocre kerry ( albeit exceptionally talented forwards in o shea and clifford ) to beat Tyrone. Peter keane is just a useless manager as was proven by cork last year
A little secret: 2008 was
not in the Championship (according to some Mayo pundits), it was the last round of the Qualifiers.
History, do you really want to go there, where performances are concerned respectively in All-Ireland Finals in recent years?
Forget O'Shea, if you lose now you can firmly point the finger of blame at Larry.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
TBH there was little sign of Mayo's intensity in the first half against the Dubs, even their supporters on here were done with it. If they have a half like that against Tyrone, I don't see a way back for them. A Dublin team that thought they had done enough switched off and allowed them back in again. Will Mayo manage a full 70 mins at that level? I don't know. ( I suppose you could argue the 2nd half and Extra time) It will be interesting but I don't believe there will be anything lacking in either sides intensity tbh.
Same was said after the Galway game, that Dublin wouldn't give them a sniff. However we all know Dublin aren't worth a shit this year now.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
TBH there was little sign of Mayo's intensity in the first half against the Dubs, even their supporters on here were done with it. If they have a half like that against Tyrone, I don't see a way back for them. A Dublin team that thought they had done enough switched off and allowed them back in again. Will Mayo manage a full 70 mins at that level? I don't know. ( I suppose you could argue the 2nd half and Extra time) It will be interesting but I don't believe there will be anything lacking in either sides intensity tbh.
Same was said after the Galway game, that Dublin wouldn't give them a sniff. However we all know Dublin aren't worth a shit this year now.
True, but you can say the same about Tyrone Kerry. Sure we had a Kerry AI thread on here for a week before hand. Tyrone were just making up the numbers against a champion elect Kerry team. Now they are a tired Kerry team that relied on one player. You could write whatever narrative you want and get one or two things to back it up. It'll be a toss up. Whoever is less scared of losing will win I think.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Not this time , we will hammer Tyrone out the gate on sat
Screenshotted for future reference.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
You have form larryin89 in such pre-final braggadocio where Mayo's involved, however, you are equally well versed in chomping on those words in the rather inevitable aftermath. :P
Not this time , we will hammer Tyrone out the gate on sat
While all dressed in your Baywatch gear like AOS? ;D
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Quote from: clarshack on September 09, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
I agree. Kerry were literally one kick of the ball away from being hailed as "more than a match for Tyrone's intensity".
This thread is proof enough that most people don't remember what they had for breakfast, let alone what happened in a match 2 weeks ago.
I think this needs to be remembered. If Morgan doesn't put the ball over from 70 metres, which is what you'd expect, Kerry go to the final.
Mayo forwards won't trouble tyrone. Only got joy when Dublin tired and lost a few men. Tyrone defenders not gonna tire .
Imagine how much fitter they will be having now completely got over covid!
I think many people are overlooking the fact that Tyrone's preparation could not have been anything but badly impacted in the run up to the semi final yet they still managed to win. Based on both counties 2 x semi finals, I would say that Tyrone probably have the greater scope for improvement. But they will have to improve since Mayo will put them under much more pressure than Kerry managed. Both teams were far from flawless in their respective semi finals even if they each managed to record monumental victories. It's about as 50/50 as a game could be since there is no clear or reliable formlines. I wouldn't rule out a draw in this one.
Midwest radio have followed the CT s Aidan henry in reporting cillian is back training and in contention for 26 ???
Quote from: clarshack on September 09, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Quote from: TMAC on September 09, 2021, 12:59:34 PM
Imagine how much fitter they will be having now completely got over covid!
Any Tyrone players teaching at the minute? With all the cases going at the minute they could miss out
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Quote from: clarshack on September 09, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
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Midwest radio have followed the CT s Aidan henry in reporting cillian is back training and in contention for 26 ???
I really hope he starts.
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Quote from: TMAC on September 09, 2021, 12:59:34 PM
Imagine how much fitter they will be having now completely got over covid!
Any Tyrone players teaching at the minute? With all the cases going at the minute they could miss out
Peter harte I think. Is McGeary still teaching PE in holy trinity?
Looking forward to this now - my first time seeing Mayo win in Croke Park was in 1989 against Tyrone (no ticket of course, myself & my brother lifted over the turnstile by our father) so I generally have good memories of playing them. Great respect for Tyrone also, they ate Kerry up in the noughties whereas we rolled over for them. It's a 50/50 game and I'm sure both teams & supporters will think they have a huge chance of winning this AI. I hope to f*ck it's us!!
If you look back at the SFs, both teams had the rub of the green they needed to get over the line - if both semis went to a replay, I'd say we'd have a different final pairing. In the games themselves, DOC keeping the ball in and the rebound going straight to a Mayoman; on another day, that ball goes wide or goes to a Dublin player and we probably lose the game; same with the retaken 45, it could easily have worked out that Hennelly scores the 1st one and misses the 2nd one. For Tyrone, 9/10 times SOB checks his run, scores that goal and Kerry probably win; or the rebound from Canavan's (very poor) shot falls to a Kerry player instead of McShane and it's a different game. These are the small little breaks you need to get to win a tight game and I'd say whoever wins on Sunday will have a couple of these fall their way.
I think Tyrone will have a different gameplan for Mayo on Sunday compared to against Kerry; whereas Kerry had a few key individuals, we're more of a team unit (as are Tyrone IMO). I don't think they'll concede the kickouts to us like they did against Kerry although they may not go full press. I'd say the first half will be a cagey affair, both teams will be anxious not to concede goals early on, but it'll open up in the second half.
As regards match ups, I'd put Keegan on Donnelly - Donnelly moving out the field will suit us as Keegan will thrive out the field (@ 10/1 he's my tip for POTY). Mullins on McKenna. Swannie on McCurrry. I'm not sure who we'll put on McShane when he comes on (or if he starts) - I'd rate him as the best forward between the two teams so we need to keep a close watch on him.
It could come down to which goalkeeper is more accurate on the day from frees - both can be top notch or absolute sh*te. Come on ta f*ck Hennelly!!!!
Yeah its the first final in a while I've been looking forward to, I hope its a ding dong battle and the weather doesn't play a part in it, plus both teams keep 15 players each on the pitch the whole game, no excuses, best team wins.
Was siding with Tyrone as they are great value (betting wise), McGeary could be a decent shout for MOM but the closer we get it's been Mayo's recent disappointments (of which there has been many) that might have the greater desire to get over the line.
Either way there won't be too much between them at the end.
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Poor Larry's totally fecking delusional, and it's a sin to mock the afflicted! :P
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
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Imagine how much fitter they will be having now completely got over covid!
Any Tyrone players teaching at the minute? With all the cases going at the minute they could miss out
Peter harte I think. Is McGeary still teaching PE in holy trinity?
Morgan is a teacher too - though he and Harte are in Primary schools which I suspect are not as risky as secondary schools for covid.
Don't know about McGeary.
I have to say it's a breath of fresh air to have a final where there is no clear favourite to win. I think the majority of the country would love to see Mayo finally get over the line. But Tyrone love that us-against-them-all factor and will be as motivated by that as Mayo will be to finally get a win.
I think it has to be said, on balance, the two best teams are in the final.
When you look at the two team, Tyrone for me seem to carry the biggest scoring threat. But, I think Mayo have a much better middle third than Tyrone which should starve the Tyrone attack of supply. I think defensively, both teams are very similar and in terms of work rate there's not much between them either.
A couple of question marks on both sides though....can Tyrone replicate the performance from the SF in the Final or was it a a one off as they were playing Kerry the overwhelming favorites. For Mayo, do they have the bottle to finally keep it together to win a final? What will Aidan O'Shea do? Will Morgan have one of his awful days or will he keep the head and be awesome?
A great bit of drama, can't wait.
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
What would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, thatnits too close to call , its 50/50 . I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Well now!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 09, 2021, 01:43:32 PM
Yeah its the first final in a while I've been looking forward to, I hope its a ding dong battle and the weather doesn't play a part in it, plus both teams keep 15 players each on the pitch the whole game, no excuses, best team wins.
Was siding with Tyrone as they are great value (betting wise), McGeary could be a decent shout for MOM but the closer we get it's been Mayo's recent disappointments (of which there has been many) that might have the greater desire to get over the line.
Either way there won't be too much between them at the end.
I really cant see their being much difference in the desire. Not one of the Tyrone team has an All Ireland senior medal and most of them were involved in the defeat in 2018 (not to mention numerous semi and quarter final losses). Plus a lot of the panel have experienced losing to Mayo in 2016 or 2013 as a minor. Tyrone also aren't exactly blessed with a huge number of All Ireland wins either (it's not like a Kerry or Dublin).
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
What would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, thatnits too close to call , its 50/50 . I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
Did you get a ticket yet? Mayo
NEVER do anything easy. I really can't call it, though I enjoy your optimism about it.
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
What would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, thatnits too close to call , its 50/50 . I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
That's awesome stuff! ;D 8)
Ronan o neill ..schoolmaster in coalisland college
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Imagine how much fitter they will be having now completely got over covid!
Any Tyrone players teaching at the minute? With all the cases going at the minute they could miss out
Peter Harte
Niall Morgan
Kieran McGeary
Conn Kilpatrick
Niall Sludden
Conor Meyler
Liam Rafferty
Mark Bradley
Darragh McAnenly
According to TMAC they're a bunch of useless Cnuts because they are teachers ;D. Should be well fit for the match as they haven't done a hands turn in 2 years
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
What would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, thatnits too close to call , its 50/50 . I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
Class 😂 Hopefully you get a ticket Larry so at least a small village in Mayo will get a bit of peace for a few hours.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40694789.html
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
I actually quite enjoy the simplistic logic of Larry's analysis - Mayo brilliant, Tyrone bad. Sometimes its quite refreshing to view the world through the lens of a young kid or a village idiot.
What would you like me to tell ya that mcshane off the bench is going to make the difference , that mattie Donnelly is unremarkable, thatnits too close to call , its 50/50 . I dont believe any of the narrative spun about this been close , we are a far better outfit than Tyrone, a possible hb line of oisin , paddy and eoghan if fit with Leroy pushing up from the last line as we get a foothold is unstoppable , nothing and I mean nothing is going to stop Mayo winning the all Ireland. Who the fook are Tyrone anyway ,last time I seen them in a final they were attroslcious . Nobody mentioned Tyrone all year, now all of a sudden cause they got a sloppy victory over a disorganised disjointed poorly set up kerry they are world beaters . Mayo by 7-9 points easy
Did you get a ticket yet? Mayo NEVER do anything easy. I really can't call it, though I enjoy your optimism about it.
No , unfortunately not . No leads either which is demoralizing at this stage . It is what it is I suppose . Going since 1984 , missed five games bar New York and London albeit seen one in London one year 90s . It's a fair attendance record since seven years old , I'd put a wager there would only be about 5k in that kind of category . I'll be honest and admit I'm finding it a tad emotional .
Ffs would someone sort him out with a ticket? We ours be crap if you didn't get to it
How many Tyrone fans do yous think roughly will have been at every All-Ireland senior final involving Tyrone come Saturday? Would it be in the 5k category?
Maybe it's time to get a little bit serious here..... ;D
I hope we have a great game and that, one way or the other, we'll have a clear cut winner.
Obviously, I'm hoping that Mayoo will prevail but neither team can afford to get cocky bases on their Given what's been said and written, both teams beat their respective opponents off the field and they played with class, determination knocking their opponents about like skittles.
But a little bit of adverse luck here and there and both results could have been very different..
Mayo were blessed that Robbie Henelly goe the proverbial second bite of the cherry and brought the game to extra time. If we lost at that stage, we'd have only ourselves to blame. If Tyrone should go 7 points in front, Mayo can kiss goodbye to Sam for yet another year.
My one fear is that Mayo will do what Mayo are very inclined to do and that is to fade out of the game at times.
Just hope they won't do this next Saturday!
Tyrone?
They got a rub of the green, like Mayo. Kerry stayed with them right to the very end and literally there was only a kick of the ball between them. If Stephen O'Brien didn't act the fool, Kerry would have gotten a goal and I couldn't see Tyrone coming back after that.
David Clifford's cramp came at the right time for Tyrone. If he had played to the end, feel Mayo could very well be facing Kerry on Saturday.
In short, both teams rode their luck in their respective semis. Both sides can't be lucky in the same game so let the best team win.
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How many Tyrone fans do yous think roughly will have been at every All-Ireland senior final involving Tyrone come Saturday? Would it be in the 5k category?
I wasn't alive in 86 but I've been to every final involving Tyrone since. Not going to this one as I really really really can't get Covid next week and it's killing me, but it's for the best.
Same as that. Been to them all except 86. He would have lifted me over the barrier but I wanted to watch football on the TV!! Don't think there would be too many that would have been at them all. Dont think I'll make this one either
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Quote from: clarshack on September 09, 2021, 08:30:24 PM
How many Tyrone fans do yous think roughly will have been at every All-Ireland senior final involving Tyrone come Saturday? Would it be in the 5k category?
I wasn't alive in 86 but I've been to every final involving Tyrone since. Not going to this one as I really really really can't get Covid next week and it's killing me, but it's for the best.
At.least you've seen 3 wins. I'm sure you good folk of Tyrone wouldn't begrudge us one if we do manage to do it on Saturday. :P
Quote from: An Watcher on September 09, 2021, 09:26:57 PM
Same as that. Been to them all except 86. He would have lifted me over the barrier but I wanted to watch football on the TV!! Don't think there would be too many that would have been at them all. Dont think I'll make this one either
Maybe a good bit less than 5k then.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 09, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
Maybe it's time to get a little bit serious here..... ;D
I hope we have a great game and that, one way or the other, we'll have a clear cut winner.
Obviously, I'm hoping that Mayoo will prevail but neither team can afford to get cocky bases on their Given what's been said and written, both teams beat their respective opponents off the field and they played with class, determination knocking their opponents about like skittles.
But a little bit of adverse luck here and there and both results could have been very different..
Mayo were blessed that Robbie Henelly goe the proverbial second bite of the cherry and brought the game to extra time. If we lost at that stage, we'd have only ourselves to blame. If Tyrone should go 7 points in front, Mayo can kiss goodbye to Sam for yet another year.
My one fear is that Mayo will do what Mayo are very inclined to do and that is to fade out of the game at times.
Just hope they won't do this next Saturday!
Tyrone?
They got a rub of the green, like Mayo. Kerry stayed with them right to the very end and literally there was only a kick of the ball between them. If Stephen O'Brien didn't act the fool, Kerry would have gotten a goal and I couldn't see Tyrone coming back after that.
David Clifford's cramp came at the right time for Tyrone. If he had played to the end, feel Mayo could very well be facing Kerry on Saturday.
In short, both teams rode their luck in their respective semis. Both sides can't be lucky in the same game so let the best team win.
I keep seeing this being posted and mentioned by pundits and it's a really strange one given our actual history of holding on to leads against good sides.
2021 AISF Vs Kerry - 5 points up and scraped over the line by 1
2020 Ulster Vs Donegal - 4 points up at first water break and lost by 2
2019 AISF Vs Kerry - 4 points up at half time and lost by 3
2018 AIF Vs Dublin - 4 points up at the start and lost by 6
That's the last 3 times we've been put out of the championship prior to this year. We've had 4/5 point leads in all those games and blew them. Tyrone do not defend leads well against top teams regardless of the narrative. We've gone back into a shell of defending deep, we'll get black and red cards and give away a heap of frees. Hopefully those lessons will finally be learnt.
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Will Morgan have one of his awful days or will he keep the head and be awesome?
I'm puzzled over why Tyrone people are so hard on Niall Morgan. Can you give us some examples of these awful days you mention? I don't remember him having any particular disasters. If anything, I'd have thought of him as one of the elite inter-county goalkeepers currently playing. Am I nuts, or what? What am I missing?
Maybe the key is to get a 5 point lead and not 4 points lol.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on September 09, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
Will Morgan have one of his awful days or will he keep the head and be awesome?
I'm puzzled over why Tyrone people are so hard on Niall Morgan. Can you give us some examples of these awful days you mention? I don't remember him having any particular disasters. If anything, I'd have thought of him as one of the elite inter-county goalkeepers currently playing. Am I nuts, or what? What am I missing?
Vital free missing is the only real issue with him. He can be erratic with kickouts but I think he mostly puts them in a good area. Games against Kerry, Mayo and Donegal have all been lost in recent years when he's had a bad day from the 45 yard mark off the ground.
That being said I wouldn't want anyone else in his place and he is an elite keeper.
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
I'm back n forward on this but one thing I'm clinging to is that mayo do not have a forward in Clifford's class. Cillian O'connor being out injured is a massive loss. The other kerry forwards hardly got a sn8ff and hopefully it'll be the same on Saturday
One of the local papers had the 5 previous championship results between Mayo and Tyrone. One thing that stood out is Tyrone have never scored more than 13 points in those games. They got that in the 2008 win and the loss in 2013.
I can't see a thing other than a Tyrone win.
I was at that 2008 win and if memory serves me correctly, right at the end Ricey lay on the ball to stop mayo getting it. Then dooher lay on ricey to make it even more difficult. It was a battle that day before then went on to blow dublin out of the water. Also think a young Tom parsons was outstanding that day. God I'm getting old!!!
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I can't see a thing other than a Tyrone win.
Scoreline prediction - Tyrone 2.13 Mayo 0.14
Where do Mayo cross the Shannon on the way home? Galway stopped the bus in 1998 didn't they to symbolically carry Sam across the Shannon near Athlone.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2021, 08:47:51 AM
Where do Mayo cross the Shannon on the way home? Galway stopped the bus in 1998 didn't they to symbolically carry Sam across the Shannon near Athlone.
Tarmonbarry I think. Here's hoping they'll have a reason to get off the bus and walk across this weekend.
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2021, 08:47:51 AM
Where do Mayo cross the Shannon on the way home? Galway stopped the bus in 1998 didn't they to symbolically carry Sam across the Shannon near Athlone.
Tarmonbarry I think. Here's hoping they'll have a reason to get off the bus and walk across this weekend.
That's correct
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2021, 08:47:51 AM
Where do Mayo cross the Shannon on the way home? Galway stopped the bus in 1998 didn't they to symbolically carry Sam across the Shannon near Athlone.
Sam won't be leaving croker so if we win we won't have the chance to carry him across the Shannon.
Tarmonbarry would be the crossing point if they went N5, but they went by train last year
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
I have the same concern. I mentioned here a few weeks ago that we were lucky enough to get 3 goals and that we usually don't score any. In the Kerry game our points return was poor, especially considering the extra period of play. Its very likely that tyrone won't score any goals this weekend therefore the points return will need to be high.
Tyrones secret weapon is Michael Moynagh who according to Fergal can come up with a substitution which can be okay.With the kitman being around 40 yrs why would he not know.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
I have the same concern. I mentioned here a few weeks ago that we were lucky enough to get 3 goals and that we usually don't score any. In the Kerry game our points return was poor, especially considering the extra period of play. Its very likely that tyrone won't score any goals this weekend therefore the points return will need to be high.
If McShane starts I would expect to see a better return. We have to remember he is prob our key (I'm loathed to use marquee) forward (jury still seems to be out on McCurry on the big days) and only now looks like an option from the start. If him and McCurry start then it's a headache for Mayo as both with need extra attention that may free up space for others.
When are the dummy teams going to be announced so we can plug on with the next bit of over analysis?
I don't expect any curve balls in team selection. Biggest questions are will O'Shea and mcShane start. I think both will.
McCurry is likely to get bottled up again but is crucial for frees and maybe a mark or point or two from play. His decision making has improved this year. Tyrone midfield has been quietly going about their business I think one of them will have a great game. I'll call Kilpatrick for a goal.
For mayo I'm worried about conroy who is overdue a goal. Ruane is hard to stop and O'Shea has a point to prove. I'll go for a draw 1-13 each. Tyrone by a point after extra time.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-and-proud-nobody-wants-us-to-win-but-that-s-just-fine-1.4668673?mode=amp&s=08 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-and-proud-nobody-wants-us-to-win-but-that-s-just-fine-1.4668673?mode=amp&s=08)
They hate us, they hate us, they us
But that's the way we like it, we like it, we like it
Oh whoa whoa whoaaaa
It's nailed on!!
https://www.rte.ie/learn/2020/1221/1185842-old-moores-almanac/
It's a very hard game to call. I think cause it's Mayo, that factor is having a bearing on that. Does anyone trust them to see it out? They've lost games that they've had won on this stage.
Both teams will be physically a match for each other. I think Tyrone scoring power isn't great but they have impact players from bench to rectify this. Mayo themselves aren't noted for shooting the lights out.
It's interesting that Tyrone have been solid in starting their two Croke Park games, strong first halves and then somewhat holding on by end of the game - Monaghan and Kerry. They've let leads go.
Mayo have been the opposite. Relying on strong second halves to rescue the Dublin game and win the Galway game. If Mayo get a good start and lead into the second half will Tyrone have to come out more and chase the game? Could be massive factor.
I think both teams will have their purple patch. Where they blast off 4-5 points or a goal and points in a 10 min period. It'll be how the other team react to that, will heads drop a bit or will it light the fires for a fight back.
I'm going for Tyrone half time, draw full time. And plenty of swings and roundabouts in between. Either way I don't think either team will have balls to do a Dublin and calmly pass the ball around the defence and midfield if they are holding a bit of a lead. Which is a good thing from the spectators POV.
Extra time but no penalties, is that right?
History is written by the victors
Both Dublin and Kerry had chances to kill their games but didn't take them. Mayo and Tyrone could just as easily be watching Saturdays game from the high stool.
That being said, it's almost impossible to call this one. Will the day be wet or dry? Will the referee get the big calls right? Will there be Black cards? How will the free takers perform under pressure?
Here's hoping for a great sporting game and may the best team win
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2021, 10:29:04 AM
Extra time but no penalties, is that right?
Correct. Replay on the 19th.
Quote from: whitey on September 10, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
That being said, it's almost impossible to call this one. Will the day be wet or dry? Will the referee get the big calls right? Will there be Black cards? How will the free takers perform under pressure?
I think we do know that it will be dry.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
Looking forward to this now - my first time seeing Mayo win in Croke Park was in 1989 against Tyrone (no ticket of course, myself & my brother lifted over the turnstile by our father) so I generally have good memories of playing them. Great respect for Tyrone also, they ate Kerry up in the noughties whereas we rolled over for them. It's a 50/50 game and I'm sure both teams & supporters will think they have a huge chance of winning this AI. I hope to f*ck it's us!!
If you look back at the SFs, both teams had the rub of the green they needed to get over the line - if both semis went to a replay, I'd say we'd have a different final pairing. In the games themselves, DOC keeping the ball in and the rebound going straight to a Mayoman; on another day, that ball goes wide or goes to a Dublin player and we probably lose the game; same with the retaken 45, it could easily have worked out that Hennelly scores the 1st one and misses the 2nd one. For Tyrone, 9/10 times SOB checks his run, scores that goal and Kerry probably win; or the rebound from Canavan's (very poor) shot falls to a Kerry player instead of McShane and it's a different game. These are the small little breaks you need to get to win a tight game and I'd say whoever wins on Sunday will have a couple of these fall their way.
I think Tyrone will have a different gameplan for Mayo on Sunday compared to against Kerry; whereas Kerry had a few key individuals, we're more of a team unit (as are Tyrone IMO). I don't think they'll concede the kickouts to us like they did against Kerry although they may not go full press. I'd say the first half will be a cagey affair, both teams will be anxious not to concede goals early on, but it'll open up in the second half.
As regards match ups, I'd put Keegan on Donnelly - Donnelly moving out the field will suit us as Keegan will thrive out the field (@ 10/1 he's my tip for POTY). Mullins on McKenna. Swannie on McCurrry. I'm not sure who we'll put on McShane when he comes on (or if he starts) - I'd rate him as the best forward between the two teams so we need to keep a close watch on him.
It could come down to which goalkeeper is more accurate on the day from frees - both can be top notch or absolute sh*te. Come on ta f*ck Hennelly!!!!
Good post and best of luck (boke) to both teams. I'd say O'Hora and Mullins between them will pick up McShane and McKenna.
Quote from: whitey on September 10, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
History is written by the victors
Both Dublin and Kerry had chances to kill their games but didn't take them. Mayo and Tyrone could just as easily be watching Saturdays game from the high stool.
That being said, it's almost impossible to call this one. Will the day be wet or dry? Will the referee get the big calls right? Will there be Black cards? How will the free takers perform under pressure?
Here's hoping for a great sporting game and may the best team win
Of course he won't. It's Joe McQuillan.
He'll be sure to make a balls of the match. That's one thing you can be sure of
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2021, 10:29:04 AM
Extra time but no penalties, is that right?
Yes.. Reply if needed the weekend after
Hold the trains, et.. I think that is where it is going. A pure 50/50 game and a big call / moment could make the difference To the sound, solid long suffering Mayo lads who are on here, we wish you all the best, please don't hate us, but as a wise man once said.... it's time to take Sam to Tyrone...
Tyrone by 4
We simply won't lose.
Quote from: rrhf on September 10, 2021, 11:11:29 AM
Hold the trains, et.. I think that is where it is going. A pure 50/50 game and a big call / moment could make the difference To the sound, solid long suffering Mayo lads who are on here, we wish you all the best, please don't hate us, but as a wise man once said.... it's time to take Sam to Tyrone...
While I will be broken again if it is another tragic loss for us tomorrow I can never be mad at Tyrone for the way the make Patteen Spillane face even more red when ever you play them in a big match in Croker!! ;D
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.
Exactly, all it takes is for a key player to go off injured early on or even worse sent off and it changes everything, and you cannot predict something like that.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.
The conundrum over whether to start mcshane or not has taken over everything I've read.
Quote from: clarshack on September 10, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.
Exactly, all it takes is for a key player to go off injured early on or even worse sent off and it changes everything, and you cannot predict something like that.
Or a couple of OGs!
The one thing that makes me fear for Mayo is that I can't really see them losing! Both teams struggled / had to work so hard for scores to an extent in their semi-finals, but Mayo's opponents then were more proven, with less subsequent weaknesses than Kerry. Tyrone showed great stubbornness and work rate to overcome Kerry but still had to rely on the 3 goals, 2 of which were as a result of poor defending, and had the luck to see Kerry score none of their own. As poor as Galway are, I'd fancy our chances reasonably enough were we in the final tomorrow, and Mayo are much superior to us. I think they'll be stronger throughout the field and better in midfield in particular, and find scores that much easier to come by. Mayo by 5 at least.
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
In fairness Mayos scoring wasn't great vs the Dubs either and O'Connor is a massive loss, although I've a feeling we'll see him on the bench.
I really think we'll win this one. I think we'll win most kick outs and we'll edge the turnovers, and if that happens I don't see Tyrone creating enough chances to kick scores.
I think Mayos defence are far more comfortable on the ball and at driving the team forward. I think because of that Tyrone will be turned over in there own defense more often.
Anyway, Mayo For Sam!
I want to say that if Tyrone do not win (unlikely) I couldn't be happier that it will be Mayo. They're great people and have been great friends to Tyrone over the years. So while a Tyrone loss would be awful it will be tempered ever so slightly.
You're right about the analysis. It's just relentless. Trying to predict chaos.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 10, 2021, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
In fairness Mayos scoring wasn’t great vs the Dubs either and O’Connor is a massive loss, although I’ve a feeling we’ll see him on the bench.
One difference was Mayo was up against a well organised Dublin defence the best chance of beating them was in a low scoring game.
Kerry compared to the Dubs aren't as well organised defensively and points wise Tyrone only scored 11 in 70 minutes. The goals was obviously huge in bringing the game to extra time and the 3rd goal key to winning the match by a point.
Quote from: mouview on September 10, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 10, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.
Exactly, all it takes is for a key player to go off injured early on or even worse sent off and it changes everything, and you cannot predict something like that.
Or a couple of OGs!
The one thing that makes me fear for Mayo is that I can't really see them losing! Both teams struggled / had to work so hard for scores to an extent in their semi-finals, but Mayo's opponents then were more proven, with less subsequent weaknesses than Kerry. Tyrone showed great stubbornness and work rate to overcome Kerry but still had to rely on the 3 goals, 2 of which were as a result of poor defending, and had the luck to see Kerry score none of their own. As poor as Galway are, I'd fancy our chances reasonably enough were we in the final tomorrow, and Mayo are much superior to us. I think they'll be stronger throughout the field and better in midfield in particular, and find scores that much easier to come by. Mayo by 5 at least.
You can't see Mayo losing? If there is a way to lose an All Ireland final, Mayo will inevitably find it.
Tyrone always struggle with Mayo and Mayo always struggle with finals. It's nearly impossible to call.
I hope Mayo do it; despite their inability to get over the line, they have been for me, the most inspirational team in the last 20 years.
I seen that a publican somewhere has characterised the game as being The Curse v The Virus.
To me its The Romantics v The Cynics
Maybe that's a bit unfair on Tyrone and Mayo are well fit for a some cynical football when its needed,
In line with that thinking, the heart says Mayo. But the head says Tyrone get the crucial breaks at the right time and with 5 mins left, they will be defending a 3pt lead, playing keep ball, sacrificing a black cards and taking momentum out of the game at every chance they get.
Betting question, if you wanted team a to win by more than 3 points; do you write, team a, -3?
Cheers
The poor presenter on Newstalk doesn't know how to deal with the Conor Grimes/Datsun Donaghey phenomenon...
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 10, 2021, 01:36:02 PM
Betting question, if you wanted team a to win by more than 3 points; do you write, team a, -3?
Cheers
That be a draw, 1-13 to 1-10 would be a draw -3
Question for those on here do you prefer a saturday final or sunday Final.
Who are the Galway and Roscommon ones cheering for tomorrow?
I'm glad Tyrone has the backing of Derry and Armagh anyway. United we stand.
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 10, 2021, 01:36:02 PM
Betting question, if you wanted team a to win by more than 3 points; do you write, team a, -3?
Cheers
-3 they have to win by 4 or more.
-2 they have to win by 3 or more.
Thank you
Tyrone by 4
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 10, 2021, 01:51:12 PM
I'm glad Tyrone has the backing of Derry and Armagh anyway. United we stand.
Absolutely! ;D
Sure you'd do the same for us.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2021, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 10, 2021, 01:51:12 PM
I'm glad Tyrone has the backing of Derry and Armagh anyway. United we stand.
Absolutely! ;D
Sure you'd do the same for us.
Ya never give us the chance to hate on you anymore. Unfair really.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40694789.html
Between this and what he said on OTB, Bogue's really backed up his assertion that he's become a Tyrone supporter. Pity about the historical inaccuracies though, it would have actually improved the article had he been more accurate.
I haven't really been following this thread and no doubt most of the points have already been made but my 2 cents:- I think Mayo will win by 4 or 5 points, i've a Zen like feeling of calmness that I know the result, but there is of course no basis for it.
The aftermath of the Tyrone v Kerry match was a strange one for me, Tyrone were rightly lauded for masterminding a victory against raging hot favourites but then for the next few days there was some strange takes on it like Tyrone weren't been giving enough credit etc..I actually thought they were given way too much credit – Tyrone came out the right side of an incredibly tight game against a team generally thought to have underperformed and been extremely tactically naïve, Kerry missed an open goal, Conor McKenna's 2nd goal was so incredibly fortuitous, I just felt Tyrone got the rub of the green and by law of averages they wont be as lucky again.
I think Mayo bring an organised chaos that will trouble Tyrone, Tyrone are solid & formulaic and will be quite confident in their ability to shackle Mayo, but they'll have to shackle about 3 or 4 different types of Mayo by the end of the game and I think one of them will get through. Ignore the passion, desire, drive and history - I just think Mayo are a better side with a better manager.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 02:20:36 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40694789.html
Between this and what he said on OTB, Bogue's really backed up his assertion that he's become a Tyrone supporter. Pity about the historical inaccuracies though, it would have actually improved the article had he been more accurate.
So most of the historical facts came from others, just wondering which parts you found inaccurate?
Do you accuse him of being a Tyrone supporter because the article isn't criticising Tyrone? I don't think that was the point of it.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
I just felt Tyrone got the rub of the green and by law of averages they wont be as lucky again.
I'm sure people said that about Armagh's run to the final in 2002?
Quote from: clarshack on September 10, 2021, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
I just felt Tyrone got the rub of the green and by law of averages they wont be as lucky again.
I'm sure people said that about Armagh's run to the final in 2002?
What an excellent and totally relevant point to make.
I actually had a line in my post about this not being petty, blinkered Armagh post, but removed it, guess I should have left it in. Luck is luck, roll with it
One thing odd about this year's final, is regardless of who wins tomorrow, at best they'll start as 3rd favourite for the All-Ireland in 2022, or if Tyrone win a tight one, probably 4th favourite.
Quote from: clarshack on September 10, 2021, 01:49:54 PM
Who are the Galway and Roscommon ones cheering for tomorrow?
Speaking for myself totally neutral once the Rhus have 26 Co Mayo people on their match day squad.
I'd say Ros people 50/50 while Galways 90/10 for the neighbours.
Hope it's a good exciting game and nice not to have Dublin or Kerry in it.
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
What of the 2003 Final, where we prevailed with 0-12, only, and hardly could be described as choking?
It all depends, I'd say, and depending on how frugal the respective defences are, it might be surprising as to what will be actually necessary.
Quote from: Rois on September 10, 2021, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 02:20:36 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40694789.html
Between this and what he said on OTB, Bogue's really backed up his assertion that he's become a Tyrone supporter. Pity about the historical inaccuracies though, it would have actually improved the article had he been more accurate.
So most of the historical facts came from others, just wondering which parts you found inaccurate?
Do you accuse him of being a Tyrone supporter because the article isn't criticising Tyrone? I don't think that was the point of it.
I'm not accusing him of anything, he's stated before that he considers himself a Tyrone supporter since moving there. I'm saying it's clear to see that is the case.
In terms of inaccuracies:
QuoteEver since the O'Neill's lost the Nine Years War, Tyrone has been the most anti-establishment county of them all.
The O'Neills did not unilaterally lose the NYW, it was not theirs to lose.
Quoteagainst the British forces brought in by the Tudor invasion.
The forces were not British, this is an anachronism.
QuoteWhile battles were fought all over Ireland, the most significant ones were fought in Ulster.
The most significant and decisive battle was fought in Munster, in addition to other very significant ones fought outside of Ulster.
Quote"Queen Elizabeth was tortured by Tyrone. The War that O'Neill started, the Nine Year War, took more money off the Crown that any other operation outside the Spanish Armada."
Elizabeth had recently granted O'Neill his English title when the war started and he was fighting on the English side at that time. To simply say that Elizabeth was tortured by him, in addition to saying he started the war, is reductive.
QuoteI suppose Gaelic Tyrone was the last bastion of Gaelic Ulster. It was the last to fall, but some would say it never really fell," he notes.
Tyrone was not the last area under Gaelic rule to fall. Even long before the NYW began, the O'Neills had allowed anglicisation, through English influence, to begin.
QuoteWhen the boat left Rathmullan with Hugh O'Neill and 90 of his followers, bound for mainland Europe and the exile of the Flight of the Earls, it cleared the way for the Plantation of Ulster.
Approximately 90 people, including Rory O'Donnell and his followers, sailed from Rathmullan. The idea that the O'Donnells were there as followers of Hugh O'Neill is very silly.
;D Are you my father or my sister??
I haven't a clue about the accuracy, I don't know much about those topics, but poor old Declan's used the words of others, not all his own.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
In terms of inaccuracies:
QuoteEver since the O'Neill's lost the Nine Years War, Tyrone has been the most anti-establishment county of them all.
The O'Neills did not unilaterally lose the NYW, it was not theirs to lose.
The O'Neills were front and centre, hence why it's also known as
Tyrone's RebellionQuote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
Quoteagainst the British forces brought in by the Tudor invasion.
The forces were not British, this is an anachronism.
Moot, I'd say, and it helps to contextualise in a modern setting.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
QuoteWhile battles were fought all over Ireland, the most significant ones were fought in Ulster.
The most significant and decisive battle was fought in Munster, in addition to other very significant ones fought outside of Ulster.
Kinsale? Fair enough, though it centrally involved O'Neill & O'Donnell.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
Quote"Queen Elizabeth was tortured by Tyrone. The War that O'Neill started, the Nine Year War, took more money off the Crown that any other operation outside the Spanish Armada."
Elizabeth had recently granted O'Neill his English title when the war started and he was fighting on the English side at that time. To simply say that Elizabeth was tortured by him, in addition to saying he started the war, is reductive.
Not really I'd say, she was at her wits' end with O'Neill, though held on just long enough to frustrate the Gaelic efforts. And to say that O'Neill was "fighting on the English side" is pushing it a bit, imho.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
QuoteI suppose Gaelic Tyrone was the last bastion of Gaelic Ulster. It was the last to fall, but some would say it never really fell," he notes.
Tyrone was not the last area under Gaelic rule to fall. Even long before the NYW began, the O'Neills had allowed anglicisation, through English influence, to begin.
Really, so where was?
Quote from: greatpoint on September 10, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
QuoteWhen the boat left Rathmullan with Hugh O'Neill and 90 of his followers, bound for mainland Europe and the exile of the Flight of the Earls, it cleared the way for the Plantation of Ulster.
Approximately 90 people, including Rory O'Donnell and his followers, sailed from Rathmullan. The idea that the O'Donnells were there as followers of Hugh O'Neill is very silly.
Perhaps a bit simplistic, yes, but O'Neill was pre-eminent.
back to the football....
Cahair O'Kane
@CahairOKane1
Mayo team #GAA
1. Rob Hennelly
2. Padraig O'Hora
3. Lee Keegan
4. Michael Plunkett
5. Paddy Durcan
6. Stephen Coen
7. Enda Hession
8. Matthew Ruane
9. Conor Loftus
10. Diarmuid O'Connor
11. Aidan O'Shea
12. Bryan Walsh
13. Kevin McLoughlin
14. Tommy Conroy
15. Ryan O'Donoghue
No Oisin Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin and as expected no Cillian O'Connor
Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 04:37:26 PM
back to the football....
Cahair O'Kane
@CahairOKane1
Mayo team #GAA
1. Rob Hennelly
2. Padraig O'Hora
3. Lee Keegan
4. Michael Plunkett
5. Paddy Durcan
6. Stephen Coen
7. Enda Hession
8. Matthew Ruane
9. Conor Loftus
10. Diarmuid O'Connor
11. Aidan O'Shea
12. Bryan Walsh
13. Kevin McLoughlin
14. Tommy Conroy
15. Ryan O'Donoghue
Yeah, right! :P ;)
Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 04:39:37 PM
No Oisin Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin and as expected no Cillian O'Connor
Enda Hession, Bryan Walsh out and Oisin Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin in 5 minutes before throw in?
And ours:
Our XV (https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1436355217646362629/photo/1)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
And ours:
Our XV (https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1436355217646362629/photo/1)
Another new number 6, new sub keeper and 2 number 26's?
mayos is not the 15 Horan would have wanted but we just have to get on with it .
Mayo have no time or room for excuses so if the Ref scores 2-06 for tyrone and sends 3 nay players off we just have to accept it ,
and WIN
My humble prediction
Mayo 2:14 tyrone 1:10
Quote from: LeoMc on September 10, 2021, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
And ours:
Our XV (https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1436355217646362629/photo/1)
Another new number 6, sub keeper not 16, and 2 number 26's?
Same team that started against kerry but half backs have new numbers?
Will it be conor shields or cormac munroe? Tyrone masterplan to stump Horan :D
At a GAA do a few years in the Burlo in Dublin ago my Dad was mistaken by a few Mayo lads as the flying Doctor from 1951. Pádraig Carney.
He went along with it for a few mins and then had to fess up that he was a mere Longford man in case they tried to hasten his demise due to auld curse.
(Most of this is true - it was the Cuala do that Joe Brolly neary cause a riot at)
That said, and no offense to my many Tyrone pals, I hope Mayo finally do it.
Jesus will weep if they don't.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath BánThe O'Neills were front and centre, hence why it's also known as Tyrone's Rebellion
Front and centre with the O'Donnells (as you've alluded to), along with other less powerful Gaelic leaders. My point remains, it was not simply the O'Neills' war to lose.
The term Tyrone's Rebellion has fallen out use in modern work on the topic, the Nine Years War is the preferred name. Jim O'Neill, whom Bogue quotes, explains this in his book on the conflict. O'Neill did not start the war and was largely forced into it out of circumstance.
QuoteMoot, I'd say, and it helps to contextualise in a modern setting.
It's absolutely incorrect and confounding to understanding the history. How does incorrectly using British instead of English help further contextualise it to a modern reader?
QuoteKinsale? Fair enough, though it centrally involved O'Neill & O'Donnell
Kinsale, and the Battle of the Curlew Pass as well.
QuoteNot really I'd say, she was at her wits' end with O'Neill, though held on just long enough to frustrate the Gaelic efforts. And to say that O'Neill was "fighting on the English side" is pushing it a bit, imho.
O'Neill petitioned Elizabeth to become the Lord President of Ulster and was fully supported by the English administration in the years before the war. He also fought alongside the English and defeated the Gaelic leader Hugh Maguire at the Battle of Belleek, even sustaining an injury fighting for the English cause.
QuoteReally, so where was?
Brian Óg O'Rourke of West Breifne (Leitrim) was the last Gaelic leader to submit to English rule.
QuotePerhaps a bit simplistic, yes, but O'Neill was pre-eminent.
O'Neill being pre-eminent or not has no bearing on the inaccuracy of the statement.
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Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 04:39:37 PM
No Oisin Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin and as expected no Cillian O'Connor
Enda Hession, Bryan Walsh out and Oisin Mullin and Eoghan McLaughlin in 5 minutes before throw in?
Yes
Barry O'Donnell
@bod_uherald
Meath 96 winners the Jubilee team tomorrow- a team fondly remembered by all Tyrone and Mayo fans- be an interesting reaction at Croke Park
Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
Barry O'Donnell
@bod_uherald
Meath 96 winners the Jubilee team tomorrow- a team fondly remembered by all Tyrone and Mayo fans- be an interesting reaction at Croke Park
Ha! I'm hoping it's because it's 25 years and not because the GAA are trolling Tyrone/Mayo.
eoghan mcghloughin not in 26 per programme
Good Luck to our neighbour's Tyrone, hopefully tomorrow they bring Sam back North again!! It should be a great match and expect them to win by a few points.... :)
Quote from: bennydorano on September 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
I haven't really been following this thread and no doubt most of the points have already been made but my 2 cents:- I think Mayo will win by 4 or 5 points, i've a Zen like feeling of calmness that I know the result, but there is of course no basis for it.
The aftermath of the Tyrone v Kerry match was a strange one for me, Tyrone were rightly lauded for masterminding a victory against raging hot favourites but then for the next few days there was some strange takes on it like Tyrone weren't been giving enough credit etc..I actually thought they were given way too much credit – Tyrone came out the right side of an incredibly tight game against a team generally thought to have underperformed and been extremely tactically naïve, Kerry missed an open goal, Conor McKenna's 2nd goal was so incredibly fortuitous, I just felt Tyrone got the rub of the green and by law of averages they wont be as lucky again.
I think Mayo bring an organised chaos that will trouble Tyrone, Tyrone are solid & formulaic and will be quite confident in their ability to shackle Mayo, but they'll have to shackle about 3 or 4 different types of Mayo by the end of the game and I think one of them will get through. Ignore the passion, desire, drive and history - I just think Mayo are a better side with a better manager.
Or are Tyrone's name written on it this year? Donegal game could have been different with Murphy not being sent off. The Monaghan game was very tight, against Kerry there were two fortuitous goals, Mckennas 2nd as you say and McShane was right place right time the rebound could have gone anywhere.
If the game is tight with 10 mins to go I suspect Tyrone will win, they are use to tight finishes and I think Mayo will wobble with all the bad experiences of past. For Mayo to win they need to be 5-6 points up to be able to see it out.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
eoghan mcghloughin not in 26 per programme
Where is a good spot to watch the match in Belfast?
I sincerely wish the neighbours what it takes to get over the line tomorrow.I hope the team that lines out will be legends by nightfall.
As the Follower used to say, they will be remembered by their people.
And everyone else.
Hard to know how it'll go. Can't call it. Hopefully we'll do it. Up Mayo.
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Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
Barry O'Donnell
@bod_uherald
Meath 96 winners the Jubilee team tomorrow- a team fondly remembered by all Tyrone and Mayo fans- be an interesting reaction at Croke Park
Ha! I'm hoping it's because it's 25 years and not because the GAA are trolling Tyrone/Mayo.
You couldn't make it up, like all the stars are aligning.
Who'll get the biggest cheer? Martin O'Connell? Coyler? McDermott?
Is the AOS thing about underperforming in Croke in a final being overplayed? Has he had some decent finals and are people expecting too much?
No up for the match? Or has that been done away with?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
No up for the match? Or has that been done away with?
Was just asking the same!!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
No up for the match? Or has that been done away with?
Was just asking the same!!
Probably timetabled for few weeks ago ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2021, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2021, 10:46:49 PM
The one thing that worries me is our scoring.
On the 69th minute, we were on 1-10. That's fairly low. Kerry had 0-15. Had that Canavan shot not fallen to McShane, we were looking at a very disappointing return. Almost choking level.
What of the 2003 Final, where we prevailed with 0-12, only, and hardly could be described as choking?
It all depends, I'd say, and depending on how frugal the respective defences are, it might be surprising as to what will be actually necessary.
That's true but two different games completely.
I just worry that of that 1-10 on 69 mins, 0-5 was scored by the defence. I hope it was down to underrated Kerry defending and not a drying up of attacking prowess. It sorta started in the 2nd half v Monaghan. It worries me.
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2021, 09:35:55 PM
Is the AOS thing about underperforming in Croke in a final being overplayed? Has he had some decent finals and are people expecting too much?
He hasn't scored in any unfortunately.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
No up for the match? Or has that been done away with?
Theres plenty of Philomena Begley stuff on YouTube if you're after it.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
eoghan mcghloughin not in 26 per programme
Where is a good spot to watch the match in Belfast?
Pavilion, Parador and Errigal all on the Ormeau Road beside each other. You should get it in at least 1 or 2 of them.
The Bot be good too.
Others here will know places in the city centre.
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Quote from: pjm on September 10, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
eoghan mcghloughin not in 26 per programme
Where is a good spot to watch the match in Belfast?
Pavilion, Parador and Errigal all on the Ormeau Road beside each other. You should get it in at least 1 or 2 of them.
The Bot be good too.
Others here will know places in the city centre.
The Garrick was showing the hurling final
Edit: just seen it's showing sacker
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Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2021, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 10, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
Barry O'Donnell
@bod_uherald
Meath 96 winners the Jubilee team tomorrow- a team fondly remembered by all Tyrone and Mayo fans- be an interesting reaction at Croke Park
Ha! I'm hoping it's because it's 25 years and not because the GAA are trolling Tyrone/Mayo.
You couldn't make it up, like all the stars are aligning.
Who'll get the biggest cheer? Martin O'Connell? Coyler? McDermott?
I'd say they'll all get a touch from the Mayo crowd.
With Ulster blood being thicker than common sense and a higher nature, I do hope that Tyrone (albeit our lesser Ulsterites) will bring back Sam. Though it's more than a hope of a victory because you get the feeling that they've rediscovered that ingredient to eek out victory in important games .....even against their betters! There is a championship winning style team ethic about them and the ugly duckling, the swarm tackle, is as highly tuned as in their vintage years. There's a question about what effect ref Gentle Joe will have, I hope he takes a Coldrick view of officiating.
MS, from a Monaghan POV, did you think Tyrone were there for the taking in the 2nd half in the Ulster Final?
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2021, 09:05:40 PM
I sincerely wish the neighbours what it takes to get over the line tomorrow.I hope the team that lines out will be legends by nightfall.
As the Follower used to say, they will be remembered by their people.
And everyone else.
God bless you Seafóid. We appreciate it. I hope the West awakens.
Another thing that stood out from the semi v Kerry was that McCurry was being dominated by O'Sullivan. Under Harte, McCurry would have been pulled shortly after halftime. The current management stood by him, even after the black card, and it's arguable that his late points were the most crucial.
Both Up for the Match and the presentation of the Jubilee teams are victims of the pandemic. There's no point in having an Up for the Match when you can't have a studio audience. The Jubilee team would bring more people to Croke Park and is therefore forbidden. I think they let Martin Storey, who was captain of Wexford in 1996, in for the hurling final and had some sort of presentation, which means Tommy Dowd (I'm told; I would have bet Darren Fay was the captain) will be there to represent the gallant Champions of 25 years ago.
There'll be booing, I'm afraid.
I'm hopeful for tomorrow but it's through ignoring our long record of losing finals. I think the fact that we've lost finals in all sorts of ways by now, we are ready to actually win one for a change. It gives me hope that the only team to lower our colours in the championship at HQ since 2012 has been Dublin.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 10, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
One thing odd about this year's final, is regardless of who wins tomorrow, at best they'll start as 3rd favourite for the All-Ireland in 2022, or if Tyrone win a tight one, probably 4th favourite.
Jeez, how's that favourites tag for 2021 working out for ye!
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2021, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
Another thing that stood out from the semi v Kerry was that McCurry was being dominated by O'Sullivan. Under Harte, McCurry would have been pulled shortly after halftime. The current management stood by him, even after the black card, and it's arguable that his late points were the most crucial.
I'm not sure saying that he was being dominated by O'Sullivan is a fair assessment. He was being targeted for double & triple marking. He was usually able to beat O'Sullivan to the ball but was meeting Kerry men (generally their midfielders) coming the other way. They were able to impose their physicality on him and he was goosed.
Oh he was totally dominated by O'Sullivan. Many balls were 1-on-1. The Kerry man produced a masterclass and it was class to witness.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2021, 10:38:45 PM
Quote from: pjm on September 10, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
eoghan mcghloughin not in 26 per programme
Where is a good spot to watch the match in Belfast?
Pavilion, Parador and Errigal all on the Ormeau Road beside each other. You should get it in at least 1 or 2 of them.
The Bot be good too.
Others here will know places in the city centre.
I'd say the bot or the errigal is your best bet
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Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
Just 6 more years until Armagh's jubilee team are back in Croke Park.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
Absolute No chance Derry, Armagh or Donegal, and Down probably don't want Tyrone getting closer to their 5 either. Fermanagh might be split though and Antrim most likely don't care.
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2021, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2021, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
Another thing that stood out from the semi v Kerry was that McCurry was being dominated by O'Sullivan. Under Harte, McCurry would have been pulled shortly after halftime. The current management stood by him, even after the black card, and it's arguable that his late points were the most crucial.
I'm not sure saying that he was being dominated by O'Sullivan is a fair assessment. He was being targeted for double & triple marking. He was usually able to beat O'Sullivan to the ball but was meeting Kerry men (generally their midfielders) coming the other way. They were able to impose their physicality on him and he was goosed.
Oh he was totally dominated by O'Sullivan. Many balls were 1-on-1. The Kerry man produced a masterclass and it was class to witness.
I agree. All of the first 6 or so balls in were simply 1-on-1 and either TOS beat him to the ball or dispossessed him.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
I haven't really been following this thread and no doubt most of the points have already been made but my 2 cents:- I think Mayo will win by 4 or 5 points, i've a Zen like feeling of calmness that I know the result, but there is of course no basis for it.
The aftermath of the Tyrone v Kerry match was a strange one for me, Tyrone were rightly lauded for masterminding a victory against raging hot favourites but then for the next few days there was some strange takes on it like Tyrone weren't been giving enough credit etc..I actually thought they were given way too much credit – Tyrone came out the right side of an incredibly tight game against a team generally thought to have underperformed and been extremely tactically naïve, Kerry missed an open goal, Conor McKenna's 2nd goal was so incredibly fortuitous, I just felt Tyrone got the rub of the green and by law of averages they wont be as lucky again.
I think Mayo bring an organised chaos that will trouble Tyrone, Tyrone are solid & formulaic and will be quite confident in their ability to shackle Mayo, but they'll have to shackle about 3 or 4 different types of Mayo by the end of the game and I think one of them will get through. Ignore the passion, desire, drive and history - I just think Mayo are a better side with a better manager.
There's always many different perspectives on one game for sure, but I struggle with "Tyrone were given way too much credit". This is a team under new management who really needed the standard build up of McKenna Cup and league to bed in for their first shot at the championship, and even with that it was going to be tough. They didn't get that - their preparation as a new management team was limited to a quickfire league campaign in May. Then their marquee forward hasn't been able to start a game and their big young hope as a playmaker has also been out injured. Lack of games has also hurt in getting McKenna re adjusted. Thrown in 20 cases of Covid in the build up to Kerry and playing a fifth of the game with 14 (no complaints with either call but Kerry got away with some similar ones). Other than all that we've been really lucky :D. The reality is that this team hasn't been credited enough for reaching this stage, I see it as an incredible achievement in the circumstances.
I also haven't really tipped Tyrone all summer. I knew we should beat Cavan but given the injuries at the time and post the Kerry hammering I felt Cavan had a nice wee shot there. And I was pretty much 50/50 for Donegal and Monaghan and less than that for Kerry, so I'd be daft to tip Tyrone at this stage.
What I will do is wish the boys all the best and that they bring a big performance, which would give them every chance. Also safe travels to all our fans and to the Mayo folk. I'd genuinely be shouting for Mayo in any other circumstances.
Up Tyrone.
As the old saying goes, sometimes you need to lose ten finals before you win one ;)
We'll keep coming back until it's done.
Up Mayo
Anyone got a link to the official Mayo 26?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
As an Armagh man I have to say I genuinely don't mind who wins. Providing it's not Tyrone haha.
Seriously. I'm not cheering Tyrone on but I'm not cheering against them either. I just want a good game and nothing controversial to take away from whoever wins.
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 10, 2021, 01:36:02 PM
Betting question, if you wanted team a to win by more than 3 points; do you write, team a, -3?
Cheers
Yep, you'd write Tyrone -3, for Tyrone to win by 4 points or more.
Odds with both PP and Boyles is 10/3. So 10 quid bet would return 43.33 if successful.
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:00:07 AM
Anyone got a link to the official Mayo 26?
Indo has named the following:
Oisin Mullen
James Carr
Jordan Flynn
Darren Coen
Conor O'Shea
Brendan Harrison
Rory Byrne (GK)
Colm Boyle
Rory Brickenden
Aidan Orme
That leaves them one short, which I presume is Darren MacHale.
Mullen to start instead of Hession I reckon.
Quote from: clarshack on September 11, 2021, 12:28:29 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
Absolute No chance Derry, Armagh or Donegal, and Down probably don't want Tyrone getting closer to their 5 either. Fermanagh might be split though and Antrim most likely don't care.
Chelsea v Villa is on at the same time.
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:42:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:00:07 AM
Anyone got a link to the official Mayo 26?
Indo has named the following:
Oisin Mullen
James Carr
Jordan Flynn
Darren Coen
Conor O'Shea
Brendan Harrison
Rory Byrne (GK)
Colm Boyle
Rory Brickenden
Aidan Orme
That leaves them one short, which I presume is Darren MacHale.
Mullen to start instead of Hession I reckon.
Brother in law sent me a pic of the program which has:
Byrne
Harrison
Boyle
Mullen
Brickenden
Flynn
O'Shea
Durcan
Coen
Orme
Carr
which would mean James Durcan is the 'extra' name from the Indo.
Question - is the program team the same as the official team submitted to Croke Park?
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 11, 2021, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:42:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:00:07 AM
Anyone got a link to the official Mayo 26?
Indo has named the following:
Oisin Mullen
James Carr
Jordan Flynn
Darren Coen
Conor O'Shea
Brendan Harrison
Rory Byrne (GK)
Colm Boyle
Rory Brickenden
Aidan Orme
That leaves them one short, which I presume is Darren MacHale.
Mullen to start instead of Hession I reckon.
Brother in law sent me a pic of the program which has:
Byrne
Harrison
Boyle
Mullen
Brickenden
Flynn
O'Shea
Durcan
Coen
Orme
Carr
which would mean James Durcan is the 'extra' name from the Indo.
Question - is the program team the same as the official team submitted to Croke Park?
would mean MacHale not in the squad, and also would put an end to the speculation around McLaughlin and Cillian
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 11, 2021, 12:20:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
There is no way Derry want them to win.
Up Mayo ye boy ye!!
Up Mayo 🟢🔴
Safe travels to all from both counties today, and be grateful for a big GAA day out. I think after the last 18 months we'll never take it for granted again.
COME ON TYRONE!!!
Today is the day. Perhaps it's my bias, as the designated Robbie Hennelly defender for the last decade. But I really feel like today is the final leg in the Robbie Hennelly redemption arc. Niall Morgan to pull at least one clanger of Hennelly 2016 proportions, Hennelly to put in a heroic display. Mayo lift the cup.
For the sake of god and all things that are holy, I hope I'm right.
If Mayo do win it will hurt in Roscommon.
Perfect day for football, just hope that the game is not decided by some controversy or a refereeing incident and may the best team win - and let's hope its Mayo!
Winning margin 1-3 points seems like the best value 15/4 either team or 8/1 the draw
Despite all the press I've seen no mention of the real connection between the competing counties which involved a migration of Irish speaking families to the Ballycroy / Inishbiggle area in the 19th century sometime (I think).
From a quick google I couldn't find anything conclusive - I only heard it myself in this video where an elderly man mentions his family are from Tyrone and names other families that migrated West (link below) - Ó Domhnaill, Ó Cleirigh, Ó hEinrí.
https://youtu.be/me5BMR38jvU?t=172
Good luck to both teams from a very nervous Maigheoach!
Quote from: thefont on September 11, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
Despite all the press I've seen no mention of the real connection between the competing counties which involved a migration of Irish speaking families to the Ballycroy / Inishbiggle area in the 19th century sometime (I think).
From a quick google I couldn't find anything conclusive - I only heard it myself in this video where an elderly man mentions his family are from Tyrone and names other families that migrated West (link below) - Ó Domhnaill, Ó Cleirigh, Ó hEinrí.
https://youtu.be/me5BMR38jvU?t=172
Good luck to both teams from a very nervous Maigheoach!
Must read up on that, interesting, however those are Cenal Chonaill names
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 11, 2021, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Thank Christ this game is almost here as I can't read another article or listen to another podcast. C'mon Tir eoghain you're definitely on your own!!!!
Seriously? I'd say all Ulster bar Armagh would be cheering you's tinkers on
Just 6 more years until Armagh's jubilee team are back in Croke Park.
Scary.
Fergie lost one already.
Tyrone need it
But Mayo need it more.
https://youtu.be/HSwda46cNMg
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-gut-sense-is-that-mayo-will-draw-on-every-past-experience-and-find-release-1.4670387?mode=amp
But I think Mayo hold a slight advantage because they are just so battle hardened. What hasn't already happened to them? All of those grim defeats have to be beneficial somewhere along the line. Because: here they are, again.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 11, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: thefont on September 11, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
Despite all the press I've seen no mention of the real connection between the competing counties which involved a migration of Irish speaking families to the Ballycroy / Inishbiggle area in the 19th century sometime (I think).
From a quick google I couldn't find anything conclusive - I only heard it myself in this video where an elderly man mentions his family are from Tyrone and names other families that migrated West (link below) - Ó Domhnaill, Ó Cleirigh, Ó hEinrí.
https://youtu.be/me5BMR38jvU?t=172
Good luck to both teams from a very nervous Maigheoach!
Must read up on that, interesting, however those are Cenal Chonaill names
O'Donnell and O'Clery are definitely Tír Chonaill names.
I only caught bits of both semis so watched back during the week. You could make a case for either side but I feel Mayo have a bit more to offer and especially in ET looked better while Tyrone looked like they were hanging on. Both teams got decisive breaks in their semis and today's winners could well be the team that gets breaks - fortunate goal, goalkeeper error, black card, ref decisions etc. Good luck to both teams and great to have neither Dubs or Kingdom around the place. And to our neighbours enjoy the celebrations - I will be glad for some of my Mayo friends if they win - normal detest will return next year!
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2021, 09:35:55 PM
Is the AOS thing about underperforming in Croke in a final being overplayed? Has he had some decent finals and are people expecting too much?
Expect Oshea to brake expect his duck today. Always plays well against Tyrone.
In the current "water break" scenario .... then key game-plan situations can be addressed to the players ... by the start of the 4th quarter the best players will be on the field ... this is when McShane can have a huge impact.
I'm going for Tyrone. I think Kerry were a little better than Dublin this year.
Think the break has suited Mayo getting Mullen fit and downing the hype beating the dubs. Tyrone got a couple lucky breaks against naive Kerry defence. Kerry will be more streetwise. Mayo had advantage of extra 2 week rest. The word is Mullen, and Flynn in for Plunkett and Walsh. O'Shea will dominant the Tyrone midfield which is their weakness. Peter Harte, Matthew Donnelly, Niall Morgan and Darren McCurry never play well against Tyrone. Mayo have best 6 forwards in country. Would expect Conroy and O'Donoghue are the marquee to forwards mayo missed in previous years to put up big tallies from play. Could be 2-3 in Conroy. Best of luck to both teams. I hope final is more competitive than hurling and I think mayo will power Tyrone away. Mayo by 10 . Mayo 3-16 Tyrone 0-15.
Was thinking Mayo might just do it this time, their performance against Dublin maybe slightly more impressive than Tyrone's against Kerry.
But then I saw David Brady's tweet and the quotes from Andy Moran. Yiz never learn do yiz?
Good to luck all travelling today.
Hope it's a good match and a Mayo win
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Quote from: greatpoint on September 11, 2021, 02:53:18 PM
Was thinking Mayo might just do it this time, their performance against Dublin maybe slightly more impressive than Tyrone's against Kerry.
But then I saw David Brady's tweet and the quotes from Andy Moran. Yiz never learn do yiz?
What did Moran say?
Quote from: greatpoint on September 11, 2021, 03:25:48 PM
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If you loose say nothing and if you win say far less.
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Jesus Christ. Might actually make a twitter account now if we were to win.
Quote from: greatpoint on September 11, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 11, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: thefont on September 11, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
Despite all the press I've seen no mention of the real connection between the competing counties which involved a migration of Irish speaking families to the Ballycroy / Inishbiggle area in the 19th century sometime (I think).
From a quick google I couldn't find anything conclusive - I only heard it myself in this video where an elderly man mentions his family are from Tyrone and names other families that migrated West (link below) - Ó Domhnaill, Ó Cleirigh, Ó hEinrí.
https://youtu.be/me5BMR38jvU?t=172
Good luck to both teams from a very nervous Maigheoach!
Must read up on that, interesting, however those are Cenal Chonaill names
O'Donnell and O'Clery are definitely Tír Chonaill names.
I think the migration was mid 1600s with Cromwell tours
Quote from: greatpoint on September 11, 2021, 02:53:18 PM
Was thinking Mayo might just do it this time, their performance against Dublin maybe slightly more impressive than Tyrone's against Kerry.
But then I saw David Brady's tweet and the quotes from Andy Moran. Yiz never learn do yiz?
Two former players say a few silly things and you tarnish a whole county with arrogance.
No matter what a county says before an All Ireland. It's still the same embarrassing feeling when you lose!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 11:06:12 AM
Winning margin 1-3 points seems like the best value 15/4 either team or 8/1 the draw
Two fivers on Diarmuid O'Connor for me, for a bit of fun
To score first point of game - 33/1
To get first yellow card of game - 20/1
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2021, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on September 11, 2021, 02:53:18 PM
Was thinking Mayo might just do it this time, their performance against Dublin maybe slightly more impressive than Tyrone's against Kerry.
But then I saw David Brady's tweet and the quotes from Andy Moran. Yiz never learn do yiz?
Two former players say a few silly things and you tarnish a whole county with arrogance.
No matter what a county says before an All Ireland. It's still the same embarrassing feeling when you lose!
Would call it confidence rather than arrogance. With kerry out of the way mayo will be strong favourites. Think kerry played their final the last day.
A hesitant vote to Mayo by a point. It should be a good game.
Feels like we are out numbered by Mayo supporters here.
Joe McQuillan as referee. Now Ger Canning on commentary. Tyrone winning will put the feckin' tin hat on it!
soon. 😅
Oisin Mullen starting instead Enda Hession no real surprise there. Any late change for Tyrone?
Quote from: clarshack on September 11, 2021, 04:31:13 PM
Feels like we are out numbered by Mayo supporters here.
Mayo have had the last 10 years experience of getting tickets. Plus they had extra weeks on Tyrone to forage!
Have went for the draw
Morgan rattled already, not a good sign
Mayo an amazing start. This looks real, winners waiting on the podium.
Two doctors running on for that tackle? They'll be busy today
Still struggling to figure out how Mayo didn't score that goal, should have put the foot through the rebound rather than try to place it(in the same area a Tyrone player was covering too)
Good game thus far. Water break 17 minutes played. Mayo 0-3 Tyrone 0-4
Good game, Hampsey & McCurry with class scores.
AoS been anonymous so far, that shot sums up his performance
3 excellent points from play for Tyrone
Good block for the goal attempt there.
Another good save there, both teams leaving too much room at the bck.
Serious save by Hennelly, saved their arses there. Mayo so exposed by the long ball in
Mayo are going to have to wait a bit longer by looks of it
Morgan is a seriously good player, Tyrone getting really good scores from play.
Ryan O Donahue Mayos best player, really standing up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 05:35:31 PM
Mayo are going to have to wait a bit longer by looks of it
You think it'll go to a replay too? ;)
Black card all day long.
At least O'Shea winning abit of ball. Ruane. O'connor, McLoughlin, Loftus, need wake up a tad.
That's a penalty
That was inside
Half time Tyrone 0-10 Mayo 0-8. Both sides had a good chance to score a goal and I'd put them down to poor misses than good saves.
Tomas on the money there, Mayo have been playing a bit too timid, they need to run at Tyrone and then they'll cause them problems. But then tbf they only really stepped it up in the 2nd half against Dublin, maybe it'll be the same here.
How was that not a yellow???
Mayo will be happy to be only 2 behind.
They need a serious second half now.
Mayo falling into the same trap as Kerry.. Tyrone letting Mayo lads run it from midfield and half back, they think they've a free run at it, until, unsurprisingly, they get bottled up again and again.
Tyrone played well, Mayo as usual in previous games poor enough in the first half. Good enough game of football but alot of chances going amiss both sides.
O'Hora got away with black card challenge, McGeary got away with a yellow card challenge.
Quote from: Rudi on September 11, 2021, 05:39:27 PM
Black card all day long.
The very reason the back card was brought in. Ridiculous not even to get a yellow. Mayo getting a bit of help from Mcquillan
Tyrone the better side some mighty scores from play, Mayo mainly taking frees, with exception of great score from Coen. Mcgeary should have got a yellow for the foul outside the square
Was there no yellow card there?
Quote from: Wolfetones on September 11, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
Was there not a very obvious black card for a foul on McCurry?
There was. And a yellow for McGeary missed also
The harte foul was inside, its hard to know which he blew for, as he went for a chat with the umpires. Tyrone probably should be a couple of more points in front.
Unless Mayo step up Tyrone will stretch that lead. O'Shea only fit for long balls and lay offs. Honestly don't know if they can win it with him there.
Lee Keegan is some tr**p.
Game being played on Tyrone's terms. They are much more composed and efficient.
Mayo looking a bit Mayo in a final-ish. Lots of possession, but doing too many stupid things. Hopefully they can tighten it up and play a bit smarter in the second half.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 11, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
That's a penalty
About 2 foot outside
Two foot? I suppose it depends on which foul he blew for
Yeah I am not sure which one it was. Either or they were both outside. Bit like in 2013 when they got a penalty for outside the box
For Tyrone goal chance, McStay reckons McKenna should have caught initial ball, instead of laying it on to the running McCurry. What an ape McStay is.
Hessian in for O Hora at half time surely?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 11, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
That's a penalty
About 2 foot outside
Two foot? I suppose it depends on which foul he blew for
Doesn't matter. It's one continuous foul, not one foul or the other. The contact carried on into the box. You blow for the latest contact/give advantage and give the foul from the position most advantageous to the attacking team. You should know that surely
I think for o hora I don't think he had a "pull" at him, he sort of hit him and knocked him although if he got black he wouldn't have had many complaints. The penalty call was right, the high challenge was just outside. It could still go either way and a goal in this game could win it for either side.
Mayo to bottle it again. Looking good for it so far
Sean Cavanagh a dick
Any chance RTE can find some other Tyrone man to be on these games? Cavanagh is bloody hard to listen to. It is possible to be partial to your own county but also at least appear to look at things a bit objectively.
How is that not a black card?! Am I missing something? Its a drag down by o hora??
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 11, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
That's a penalty
About 2 foot outside
Two foot? I suppose it depends on which foul he blew for
Doesn't matter. It's one continuous foul, not one foul or the other. The contact carried on into the box. You blow for the latest contact/give advantage and give the foul from the position most advantageous to the attacking team. You should know that surely
Eh? I didn't hear at which point he blew so I'm not sure what you're talking about, if he didn't blow for the first contact but blew for the second then looking at it in slow motion it looked inside, he didn't give advantage as he'd have had his hand up, I never seen him call advantage
Didn't think. I see Loftus 2nd Half, Ruane needs to be playing Midfield.
Honestly if Mayo are to win this O'Shea needs subbed.
A strike by Tyrone no 9?
I say there about 5 or 6 Mayo men in front of him I sub. Awful miss by Conroy there.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 11, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
That's a penalty
About 2 foot outside
Two foot? I suppose it depends on which foul he blew for
Doesn't matter. It's one continuous foul, not one foul or the other. The contact carried on into the box. You blow for the latest contact/give advantage and give the foul from the position most advantageous to the attacking team. You should know that surely
Eh? I didn't hear at which point he blew so I'm not sure what you're talking about, if he didn't blow for the first contact but blew for the second then looking at it in slow motion it looked inside, he didn't give advantage as he'd have had his hand up, I never seen him call advantage
Fair enough, no issue. It's on the edge of the box and happened so quickly so he prob subconsciously play advantage without putting the hand up and let the tackle/contact come to its conclusion. Probably was a pen
Right call
Lol did Burns think he was actually going to get away with that
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 06:09:28 PM
Lol did Burns think he was actually going to get away with that
He did
Good God what a miss
Very disjointed match, Mayo making some very poor decisions. Number of players in both teams playing poorly, some awful decision making. How come Mayo no left footed free taker.?
Is touching the ball on the ground in your own box not a 14 yard free, cos it's a technical foul?
Oh Mayo...
Bad miss on that for O'Donoghue. Still 10-8 with 44 minutes played.
Should have been a black card for Tyrone there too!
Keeper well off his line, grounds for a retake?
Close to square ball for the penalty, but I think DOC timed it well
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
Is touching the ball on the ground in your own box not a 14 yard free, cos it's a technical foul?
It's a penalty
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
Is touching the ball on the ground in your own box not a 14 yard free, cos it's a technical foul?
If it's in the 6 yard box it's a pen.
Loftus playing very poor.
Great score from Hennelly, terrible from Sludden
Quote from: screenexile on September 11, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
Is touching the ball on the ground in your own box not a 14 yard free, cos it's a technical foul?
If it's in the 6 yard box it's a pen.
Penalty all day long and has been for a while
Quote from: screenexile on September 11, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 11, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
Is touching the ball on the ground in your own box not a 14 yard free, cos it's a technical foul?
If it's in the 6 yard box it's a pen.
Fair enough yea that must be the exception
Game over
Straight in, goal, pure fluke.
Brilliant ball for goal.
What a shocking goal to concede, there needs to be a call from either defender or goalkeeper there, neither wanted to take authority
It was a tricky ball in terms of where it was played into, but there's no excuse for conceding that sort of goal when you have a 2v 1 advantage
Great ball and Finish by Mcshane. Poor defending by Mayo. Tyrone lead 1-10 to 0-9 48 minutes played.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 06:14:15 PM
Straight in, goal, pure fluke.
Wasn't remotely a fluke.
But Hennelly made it easy coming off his line.
Very poor from McKenna, standard very poor.
Ruane, O'Hora, K. Mcloughlin, DOC, Loftus..... not in it! :-\
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 06:14:15 PM
Straight in, goal, pure fluke.
Wasn't remotely a fluke.
But Hennelly made it easy coming off his line.
Hennelly looked like he was in 2 minds what to do, he'd have been better staying back rather than going halfway. He should have cleaned ball and all if he went out at all
Dangerous ball played in for sure but that's a poor goal to concede
That's poor free taking,
Couple of shocking misses by Tyrone there
Tbh I kind of hoped Mayo won this but they just aren't good enough
Tyrone have left 3 easy points behind them in this 2nd half
Tyrone's point taking was excellent in the first half. Gone to shite this half. They'll need to get the radar back going
Good response to.the goal. Mayo never take the easy road.
Shooting away to the dogs.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 11, 2021, 06:19:06 PM
Tbh I kind of hoped Mayo won this but they just aren't good enough
Piss poor and Kerry would have beaten them also by this effort
Some of them Mayo forwards, WTF.
Seen better shooting at an under 13 club game
Tactically and individually they just don't have it. Starting to dominate but it will take them too long to catch up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Some of them Mayo forwards, WTF.
Chit the nest again. Mayo just dont win senior All Irelands
Christ that's an absolutely awful miss from Mayo, they've not been good at all and yet they've had enough poor misses that they could be well in the lead regardless
Mayo are blowing this. Walsh shot for a point like he was shooting for a goal and missed.
Mayo need to sub 3 or 4 of the forwards, Loftus should not seen the 2nd half. Tyrone playing just about OK, but Mayo as usual have kicked themselves out of it.
They could be winning. Would take them half the evening scoring three points the way they are currently playing.
Finally
All over now. Good goal.
Poor second half, some Mayo players anonymous. Just as I say it Kevin McL with point
60 minutes 2nd goal for Tyrone. 2-10 to 0-12
Brilliantly taken goal.
Jesus, Mayo have been dreadful. Tyrone not really a lot better, but have that wee bit more composure.
Exceptionally poor quality final, especially this second half. Worst since 2010.
Two quick points in reply. Game very much still on.
Some catch in midfield for the Tyrone goal
Don't see this crap from the Dubs!!
If you watch the goals does the keeper have to leave his line?
Hard to see a way back for Mayo at this stage. Only have themselves to blame tbh, they've had numerous golden opportunities that they squandered, and their defending for both goals was non existent.
They're still just 3 behind at the minute, but with how they're looking in front of goal today, I wouldn't have much faith in them overturning that gap
Looking at the replay, Hennelly looks lost as he wanders out. There were a couple of defenders around McKenna as he ran in so he looked to be covered, Hennelly going out left an open goal for McCurry to palm into.
Good luck picking a man of the match from both teams.
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 06:32:59 PM
Looking at the replay, Hennelly looks lost as he wanders out. There were a couple of defenders around McKenna as he ran in so he looked to be covered, Hennelly going out left an open goal for McCurry to palm into.
Both goals are his fault
66 minutes played. Tyrone 2-11 Mayo 0-14.
Mayo haven't make the subs when required, there about half the Mayo team could be subbed, least Tyrone bringing on good Forwards.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 06:32:59 PM
Looking at the replay, Hennelly looks lost as he wanders out. There were a couple of defenders around McKenna as he ran in so he looked to be covered, Hennelly going out left an open goal for McCurry to palm into.
Both goals are his fault
Yeah that's my view on it too. Fairly coming back down to earth after his heroics in the semi.
Aidan O'Se been terrible again in another AI Final
I do not understand why he is still on.
Coen, Keegan played rightly, Hampsey, McCurry for Tyrone.
Congratulations Tyrone better team on the day
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 11, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
Aidan O'Se been terrible again in another AI Final
Doesn't seem close to any fitness. Waddling about the place. Should've been taken off a long time ago.
Tyrone absolutely deserving of that they've been excellent... as much as it pains me!!!
Mayo have been terrible!!
O'Shea should be subbed, but I got about 5 to take off in front of him.
Shocking decision there from Dublin Joe.. 2 reds all day
70 minutes played Tyrone 2-13 Mayo 0-14. Red card for Ruane.
McQuillan!!!!!
Mayo's decision making and finishing has been dreadful. No composure shown whatsoever.
Not sure how Loftus lasted as long as he did but the same could be said for a lot of their players.
Tyrone worthy winners.
Mayo shooting has been pathetic. A lot of it not even under any real pressure. They don't have the head for this. Cursed forever.
I think Tyrone played poor enough today, so whats that say about Mayo.
O'Shea subbed early in the semi and Mayo played fantastic. Not subbed today and they've been brutal. Coincidence?
Tbf he's not the only one at fault today, but he didn't show up at all today.
That was a joke of a call from Joe, 2 reds if you're giving anything.
WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Where are Larry and David Brady?!?!
End of the day you need at least 3 scoring forwards to win an all Ireland, Mayo have maybe just one. Tyrone plenty of scoring options.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 11, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 06:32:59 PM
Looking at the replay, Hennelly looks lost as he wanders out. There were a couple of defenders around McKenna as he ran in so he looked to be covered, Hennelly going out left an open goal for McCurry to palm into.
Both goals are his fault
Missed a few frees too. If they could let him take every free twice, his strike improves a lot.
It's seems fairly mad that Tyrone are going to win Sam here and I wouldn't have had them near the top of the contenders this year, and I don't even think they were especially impressive today.
But at the end of the day they got through all their games, and they've certainly been the better team today. So it's not undeserved at all.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 11, 2021, 06:41:00 PM
Mayo shooting has been pathetic. A lot of it not even under any real pressure. They don't have the head for this. Cursed forever.
Yeah that's about the height of it
Petey Harte, what a f**king performance
I was going to say Mayo lost their composure late on, but they never had it today. They missed enough chances to win a couple of games, and yet if they had a few cool heads late on they could still have took it. But the old failings came back again, and they just didn't produce on the day.
Congratulations Tyrone fully deserved that win. FT Tyrone 2-14 Mayo 0-15
Why isn't o'Shea in the square??
Best team by a good bit won.
Can we get some of that Tyrone intensity, game management & spirit in Roscommon. Fair play to them by far the better team
Well done Tyrone. Much more composed. Better team today, no complaints.
We didn't help ourselves. Feel like the scoreboard was a bit deceptive but at the same time we were kept at arms length the entire time.
Might not be the best team on paper but they know how to grind it out. Deserving winners. Sams going north
Well done to Tyrone. Deserving all Ireland champs.
What can Mayo do to mess up next year? The missed penalty was the turning point.
Said after the semi final that it would be the most Mayo thing ever for them to be the team to end Dublin's win streak, and then lose the final. When I saw how the other semi played out, I thought Mayo had a brilliant opportunity and that they should be winning it, but they were absolutely brutal on the day. Had plenty of chances but wasted loads of them. Tyrone the better team by a good bit and deserving winners.
Dublin would beat either team on that showing the day, they be bck on the scene nxt Yr. Tyrone played well enough to win but that's as poor a final since the Kerry hammering of Cork and Mayo in All-Ireland final in previous yrs.
Congratulations to Tyrone
The better team won
Poor oul Lee Keegan. Too many of his teammates had no composure. Despite the penalty miss and the loss of the two goals, the game was still there for them if they'd played well in the last 10 minutes + injury time. But they just didn't have it.
Fair play Tyrone. Two midfielders deserve extraordinary credit. Niall Morgan motm me. Dooher and Logan really kind of showed that Harte was last year m's man. Tyrone went man for man and trusted themselves. They were brilliant.
Tyrone are not just the better team on the day, they are the best team this year and totally deserved.
They have been fantastic tactically. Those managers have proved very very good.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 11, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
Why isn't o'Shea in the square??
Best team by a good bit won.
Was he on?
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
The far better team on the day won.
Rhu forwards were clueless in the second half.
Why was Aidan O Shea on the pitch ?
Mayo got what they deserved, especially O Shea and Horan. When AOS done a Baywatch spread in the Sunday World and Horan letting it happen, you do these when you've a pocket full of medals. Them two men are all about themselves and not willing to make the sacrifices need to win Celt Crosses. Dave Hickey or Bernard Flynn a few years ago were not far wrong.
Well done to Tyrone much the better team and won by a bit spare. As for Mayo at least it wasn't one of those finals they left behind them but you knew their goose was cooked once they missed that penalty.
All i kept hearing was Tyrones mid field was their week link but they were outstanding along with Niall Morgan and many others. A fantastic team performance great skilful players.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
Was brilliant all day bound to be sick this evening!
Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Congratulations to all the Tyrone posters. Enjoy the celebrations
Quote from: pbat on September 11, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
Mayo got what they deserved, especially O Shea and Horan. When AOS done a Baywatch spread in the Sunday World and Horan letting it happen, you do these when you've a pocket full of medals. Them two men are all about themselves and not willing to make the sacrifices need to win Celt Crosses. Dave Hickey or Bernard Flynn a few years ago were not far wrong.
Alot of truth in that, Aido made a gobshite of himself. Lee Keegan on the other hand is a serious bit of stuff, feel sorry for him, hes a winner most of his team mates are losers
Well done Tyrone. Best team by far on the day.
Mayo had too many passengers. The soccer shite for the penalty annoyed me.
Lee Keegan was Mayo's only soldier.
As for Aidan O'Shea.............sweet Jesus.
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Nothing to do with the rest of us.
I expect his family will be mortified though.
What a gobshite.
Well Done Tyrone you were excellent today and were the best team by far. Glad to see Sam coming over the border again. they had to play against Mayo and a referee who had no black cards to give Mayo along with the biased RTE commentary.
Enjoy your night 😊😊
That Donegal fan should be banned from receiving all ireland final tickets for a while. He obviously knows someone receiving tickets for a final his county isn't involved in.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 06:30:37 PM
There would have been some odds available for that particular pairing at the outset, but sin é.
Bring it on! :)
22/1 before the Ulster Final
Stuck £2.50 on it.
Tyrone were 16/1 to win the AI at the time
Stuck £5 on that.
I'd £5 on Tyrone -5 :(
How the fk did Horan leave AOS on the entire game?! I was cheering for Mayo at the start but that annoyed me no end.
Tyrone much more composed and assure of themselves on the ball. Fair play to them and I hope they give Dublin/Kerry many more challenges to come.
O'Shea was poor, but there were 6 or 7 players even poorer than him today, don't see anybody mention them.
What's this about the Donegal man?
Tyrone far and away the better team. Thoroughly deserved champions.
Mayo lost their heads completely. That was almost painful watching them implode in that last 15 minutes. Total lack of leadership and composure, and no scoring forwards. Just a disorganized rabble in the end.
And I'm someone who was shouting for them on account of my mother and her extended family.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2021, 07:06:45 PM
What's this about the Donegal man?
Some young bellend sitting first row over Hampsey's left shoulder making a complete show of himself making obscene gestures.
Thankfully the camera moved him out of the viewer.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2021, 07:06:45 PM
What's this about the Donegal man?
Behind Hampsey at the beginning of the captain's speech. Gesturing with his fingers!
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Quote from: tonto1888 on September 10, 2021, 06:02:21 AM
I can't see a thing other than a Tyrone win.
Scoreline prediction - Tyrone 2.13 Mayo 0.14
Not a bad prediction if I do say so myself.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2021, 07:06:45 PM
What's this about the Donegal man?
Gobshite making rude gestures behind the presentation podium.
On Twitter.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 07:06:05 PM
O'Shea was poor, but there were 6 or 7 players even poorer than him today, don't see anybody mention them.
That can be the only answer as to why Horan didn't take him off like he did v the Dubs. I wouldn't say there was anyone poorer, but there were a few as bad.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 07:06:05 PM
O'Shea was poor, but there were 6 or 7 players even poorer than him today, don't see anybody mention them.
Name them.. I'd argue Hennelly was maybe worse than him but that would be it
Quote from: J70 on September 11, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Nothing to do with the rest of us.
I expect his family will be mortified though.
What a gobshite.
Spoiled rotten brat with rich parents, could do with a good kick up the hole.
Tyrone were the better team throughout. Mayo were the making the same routine mistakes which I thought they would have rectified. ]
Tyrone bench was also very strong and made a bg impact. McShane and Canavan.
Quote from: Rudi on September 11, 2021, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 11, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Nothing to do with the rest of us.
I expect his family will be mortified though.
What a gobshite.
Spoiled rotten brat with rich parents, could do with a good kick up the hole.
What did he do?
(I couldn't watch any more)
Quote from: pbat on September 11, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
Mayo got what they deserved, especially O Shea and Horan. When AOS done a Baywatch spread in the Sunday World and Horan letting it happen, you do these when you've a pocket full of medals. Them two men are all about themselves and not willing to make the sacrifices need to win Celt Crosses. Dave Hickey or Bernard Flynn a few years ago were not far wrong.
Absolutely. When there's a "running on a beach in speedos for the newspaper" championship, he'll win the medal.
Quote from: Rudi on September 11, 2021, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 11, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Nothing to do with the rest of us.
I expect his family will be mortified though.
What a gobshite.
Spoiled rotten brat with rich parents, could do with a good kick up the hole.
Can be that rich.
Thon jersey is from 20 years ago!
Beating the Dublin streak is a bit like winning an All Ireland. ;D
Quote from: screenexile on September 11, 2021, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
Was brilliant all day bound to be sick this evening!
Have te say I agree with yous lads, an absolutely incredible footballer.
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The Iceland thunderclap?? ;D
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 11, 2021, 07:12:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 07:06:05 PM
O'Shea was poor, but there were 6 or 7 players even poorer than him today, don't see anybody mention them.
Name them.. I'd argue Hennelly was maybe worse than him but that would be it
Conor Loftus had a not too difficult 1-3, and finished with 0-0.
Diarmuid O'Connor was very quiet.
AOS is great for the throw-ins , but did very little positive work otherwise.
Not really fair to say who was worse, but Horan had a lot of options regarding who to take off.
Loftus, O'connor, Ruane, K McLoughlin, young ginger lad playing wing forward, and that's just the forwards
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Downfall in AI finals for Mayo under Horan was conceding goals.
2012 v Donegal 2-11 to 0-13 (13 scores each)
2013 v Dublin 2-12 to 1-14 (14 scores v 15)
2020 v Dublin 2-14 to 0-15 (16 scores v 15)
If Tyrone are to win the final i feel they'll have to score at least 2 goals, easier said that done especially if Mayo defend as well as they did against Dublin.
Same downfall for Mayo under Horan in AI final and Tyrone got both goals easier than expected.
Well done Tyrone enjoy the celebrations.
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 06:44:51 PM
It's seems fairly mad that Tyrone are going to win Sam here and I wouldn't have had them near the top of the contenders this year, and I don't even think they were especially impressive today.
But at the end of the day they got through all their games, and they've certainly been the better team today. So it's not undeserved at all.
Absolutely deserving winners.
And must be some teams in Ulster especially who think they are very close to Tyrone. Teams who thought they were a million miles away from Sam and now might think it's something to realistically aim for.
Only good Mayo men were S Coen and Keegan, with Durkan, and the 2 Mayo corner forwards not too bad but still guilty of misses their team needed.
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Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
Was brilliant all day bound to be sick this evening!
Have te say I agree with yous lads, an absolutely incredible footballer.
Yeah, but if a Tyrone man had done the sledging he did against McKenna in first half you'd be whining like bitches
FFS. ::)
There were plenty of Tyrone men shown mouthing away during the game.
Enjoy the win and stop whining like a bitch yourself.
Taking off O'Hora instead of O'Shea was criminal. Horan has a lot to answer for yet again after a failed AI final.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
The greatest player ever hahahahahhahaha
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2021, 07:25:33 PM
Only good Mayo men were S Coen and Keegan, with Durkan, and the 2 Mayo corner forwards not too bad but still guilty of misses their team needed.
Conroy was very sharp, but they didn't get him on enough ball. Albeit the poor connection for the goal chance (after a fantastic run) wasn't good.
I think the Mayo defenders (apart from the keeper) all played between reasonably well and very well. But from midfield up was a different story.
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Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
The greatest player ever hahahahahhahaha
Certainly in the running for the greatest defender ever. I can't think of a better one from the last 30 years, although a few you could throw in the mix.
Not good enough at kicking points or even foot passing to be in the mix for greatest player ever.
Tyrone got Mayo to fit into their Procrustean bed.
Well done Throne.
But where in the namajaysus does this leave Mayo?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 11, 2021, 07:30:15 PM
Taking off O'Hora instead of O'Shea was criminal. Horan has a lot to answer for yet again after a failed AI final.
I completely agree. O Shea must have naked photos of Horan. First the captaincy ahead of Keegan, then two absolutely terrible performances in the semi and final.
Good enough game of football. May be biased but felt mayo got a few soft calls. The first was the the first point should have been called for charging, the clear black card, going down as soon as they reach the scoring zone.
Couldn't understand some of the real hype around mayo. There 2nd half against dublin involved some wonder points. They never come off all the time and mayo seemed to rely on them in the second half.
Overall I felt tyrone deserved it.
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
Tyrone deserved it, but it was not a good game of fball. Tight for spells and a good 20mins in the first half but the standard of fair was pretty poor. Tyrone not care regardless.
What I liked about this was that the management kept McKenna on, knowing he was probably good for one moment. Same as McCurry in the semi. Under Harte, they'd have been hooked.
Excellent performances from McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and Sludden. Two mids had their best game.
Feel for Mayo people.
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
Poor game and Mayo got found out in the 2nd half. They stumbled past the dubs bit when they needed their forwards int he 2nd half yet again they let them down.
I was amazed Mayo were favorites based on their poor forward line. Tyrone have a far more rounded team (better bench) and that was key. Some of the efforts by the Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were embarrassing and must have been heart breaking for the rest of the team as they're dominating the Tyrone kick out.
Aidan O'Shea is a great fielder but what does he work on in training? His point shooting is embarrassing for an inter county footballer.
It's a pity he never played under Jim Gavin. I genuinely think he'd have made him work on his ball skills and he'd have made him some player
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
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Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
And also, without any doubt whatsoever, Lee Keegan is the greatest player never to win an All Ireland. Might well be the greatest player ever. He's just extraordinary.
The greatest player ever hahahahahhahaha
Certainly in the running for the greatest defender ever. I can't think of a better one from the last 30 years, although a few you could throw in the mix.
Not good enough at kicking points or even foot passing to be in the mix for greatest player ever.
Not even close
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Donegal lad behind Hampsey making a show of himself and his county 😆
Nothing to do with the rest of us.
I expect his family will be mortified though.
What a gobshite.
Spoiled rotten brat with rich parents, could do with a good kick up the hole.
What did he do?
(I couldn't watch any more)
Let's say he made it obvious he was from Donegal & hated Tyrone. Mayo headband with various finger gestures. If he was my own lad I bate him senseless. I live in Donegal & they have no love for Tyrone or Mayo after the way their supporters were treated by Mayo ones in the quarter final 2013.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
Mayo needed to turn up.in the first instance. And take the blind fold off ffs, Tyrone stood up when it counted
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
That is nonsense Sid. The better team won. They were the better team by a good bit. How many Mayo players won their individual battles?
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
You're usually not far off, but that's a bit off.
Game was played on Tyrone's terms for about 60 mins of the 77.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 11, 2021, 08:09:20 PM
That is nonsense Sid. The better team won. They were the better team by a good bit. How many Mayo players won their individual battles?
None of the forwards (except O'Donoghue)
It was groundhog day. Like all the All Irelands against Dublin they can compete all over the pitch but when it come to forwards who can kick a point they are a long way short
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2021, 07:54:26 PM
What I liked about this was that the management kept McKenna on, knowing he was probably good for one moment. Same as McCurry in the semi. Under Harte, they'd have been hooked.
Excellent performances from McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and Sludden. Two mids had their best game.
Feel for Mayo people.
I was crying for McKenna to be subbed just before he set up goal, was having a poor game. Shows what I know. Midfield was excellent, but look back on it, Petey was superb.
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
You're usually not far off, but that's a bit off.
Game was played on Tyrone's terms for about 60 mins of the 77.
Yep agree with this. I wanted Mayo to win but they just weren't good enough individually or collectively.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2021, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
Absolute nonsense.
Wise up. Tyrone were the better team and it never really was in doubt after the penalty miss. That was our easiest all ireland final win by a stretch!
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
You're usually not far off, but that's a bit off.
Game was played on Tyrone's terms for about 60 mins of the 77.
Yeah, Tyrone were comfortable all evening.
Mayo were butchering chances because they were shite all evening. One of their worst AI final performances. Peak 6 in a row Dublin or Tyrone of 15 years ago would've beat them by 20 points. They were that bad.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
Congrats to Tyrone. Felt apart from a good start by Mayo, Tyrone looked the more cohesive team after that and played some outstanding football, and took some really great scores. They had some poor wides in the 3rd but McShane's goal settled them. Very tough on Mayo to lose another All-Ireland. They had too many players that seemed to play with fear, indecisive in front of goals, and their bench as had been noted in advance did not have quality of Tyrone. Old warriors like Keegan did level best to rally them. He is a credit to the county. Their traditional game plan was not effective against Tyrone backs and there wasn't a plan B. A final word on Tyrone - they are simply great GAA people and the treatment by GAA HQ was not right. They were almost gone by out of touch administrators. They are an example to every county on how to stand up for themselves. They full deserve to be called best team in the land today. And as we know in Ros, Mayo will always be back. And fair play to them, too.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Well done Tyrone, best team by a long way and while Mayo left a few scores behind them so did Tyrone. Mayo I an afraid, just have a mental issue around the big day. How else can you explain them performing few % down on the semi. Thought McQuillan did good enough job although I think 2 yellows for the two boys fighting was the sensible callat the end as the game was over. There was me thinking Cavan would take Tyrone in Ulster and I wasn't that impressed with them but they've deservedly bet everyone in their path this year when it mattered.
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It's seems fairly mad that Tyrone are going to win Sam here and I wouldn't have had them near the top of the contenders this year, and I don't even think they were especially impressive today.
But at the end of the day they got through all their games, and they've certainly been the better team today. So it's not undeserved at all.
Absolutely deserving winners.
And must be some teams in Ulster especially who think they are very close to Tyrone. Teams who thought they were a million miles away from Sam and now might think it's something to realistically aim for.
I think Monaghan in particular will be kicking themselves. They gave Tyrone a head start and ended up only losing by a point when they really deserved at least a draw. That game and indeed the Kerry game was a lot closer than today.
Maybe we all ready too much into the Dublin game. Dublin had just ran out of steam. I expect they will be back next year with a chip on their shoulder
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 11, 2021, 07:30:15 PM
Taking off O'Hora instead of O'Shea was criminal. Horan has a lot to answer for yet again after a failed AI final.
OHora was on a yellow and getting precariously close to another one. I thought it was a good call. Doesn't excuse Leaving OShea on though. Nothing does.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Look out. The Bottom Inspectors are in the building. Clench those cheeks.
The post match sky commentary was very interesting with Donaghy, McGuiness, WJ and Canavan. The loss to Kerry in Killarney seems to have been a massive turning point in their mindset.
Gutted for Mayo and particularly for the likes of Lee Keegan but on the other hand seeing Petey Harte at the end with the child was very uplifting after the disappointments he has had.
On another note I hope we keep the knockout all Ireland and forget this super 8(or similar) business.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Look out. The Bottom Inspectors are in the building. Clench those cheeks.
What are you on about? Do you not want to know the rules?
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
What in the name of God are you on about. Tyrone were the far better team. This glorification of Mayo needs to stop. It really does. They were very average.
Mayo were comfortably the better team for the first 25 minutes and butchered two gilt edged goal chances. Again Mayo totally dominated the first 25 minutes of the second half and proceeded to butcher pretty much every chance they got, which was a lot. Tyrone got two sucker punch goals. Harte's mark was the key play in staving off a comeback.
Tyrone won because they made few mistakes. Mayo's game was a tale of utter butchery.
They may throw their collective hats at it now.
Sorry but this is miles off what happened. Tyrone were in control throughout. They did what they do. Defend in droves with discipline and then pick off scores on the break. They did it in the Donegal, Monaghan and Kerry games and did it again today. Mayo should have been ready for it but weren't. If anything Mayo got some handy enough frees which in many cases they didn't make much use off. Even the penalty came from a poorly kicked free kick. I think a good manager would get them closer. Build around the younger lads. They can't keep making the same mistakes every year and expect a different outcome.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Look out. The Bottom Inspectors are in the building. Clench those cheeks.
What are you on about? Do you not want to know the rules?
It shouldn't have been taken in the first place never mind retaken - it was a square ball.
As for MOTM, Morgan and Meyler were brilliant today.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
I think, in fairness, we are all guilty of only seeing things through [insert county] tinted glasses. There were moment where I feared Mayo might come back into it or Tyrone might let them back into it, but Tyrone were clearly the better team, on the day. They were clearly the best team this year. Next year, who knows?
Tyrone shut down all Mayo's key men. I absolutely expected Mayo to win at Midfield and it seemed Tyrone's big weak point, but Tyrone won there. Tyrone also had some very easy opportunities which should have been put away; Mayo got away with one very clear black card and there were a couple of questionable frees which went their way in the first half. Mayo fluffed a lot of chances, but that wasn't just down to Mayo, it was down to Tyrone's pressure.
I think this is a young Mayo team where most of the player's haven't been there and there abouts as Tyrone's players over recent years. The championship, for once, looks very exciting going forward, with more games, and several teams who could win it. Though I must say, Tyrone can still potentially improve significantly.
Well Done Tyrone! Who would have thought earlier on in the year!
The better team won today and Mayo Posters need to such it up and move on.
Talk of the worst team ever to win an AI is poor form.
This team has won the AI on merit. Talk of how great they are lies in the years ahead.
But today they are the best in Ireland.
Once again well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations into the new year.
I'm afraid Mayo's decade is over. Probably end of the line for O'Shea(s), Boyler, McLaughlin, maybe Keegan. Too many poor performers on the day, (Loftus had a nightmare. Commentary mentioned AOS had possible foot injury, why was he there?). Bad shooting, taking ball into contact, no penetration near goal. Donoghue one of Mayo's best but he looked too hyped up for the peno. Midfield had their worst outing of the year. They may win Connacht again next year but Galway really want to start getting their house in order and mounting some sort of sustained challenge.
Well done to Tyrone. As in the past, forced the opposition to play on their terms, and were defensively excellent. They may not be vintage champions, but you are champions for that particular year because you're the best at the end, not aggregated on what you do over several seasons. Brian Dooher is one hell of a legend in the Red Hand.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2021, 08:53:27 PM
Well Done Tyrone! Who would have thought earlier on in the year!
The better team won today and Mayo Posters need to such it up and move on.
Talk of the worst team ever to win an AI is poor form.
This team has won the AI on merit. Talk of how great they are lies in the years ahead.
But today they are the best in Ireland.
Once again well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations into the new year.
Tyrone were definitely the best team in Ireland THIS year.
Whether the standard overall was as strong as previous years is a different discussion.
In fairness, the vast, vast majority of Mayo fans have been good sports, which is a credit given what they have been through. Some of my best friends are from Mayo and I avoided watching it with them, knowing it would kill my buzz should we win!
I think there's a lot more potential in this Tyrone team and there are a lot of teams competing, so the championship could be as exciting as it has been for many, many years. I am sure Kerry, Dublin, Mayo and the other lights of Ulster will be sore... and plotting.
Congratulations Tyrone. Deserving champions and a conveyor belt to keep them at the top table for another while. I'm sure most people at best had Tyrone in the tier below Dublin, Kerry and Mayo but they showed what's possible. They have good players, had a good bench and they can fight it out with anyone. Dooher and Logan can take massive credit.
Someone will pull together a highlights reel of the moments when Mayo blew it, snapping at chances, missing the penalty and Loftus had an almost open net in the first half. But Tyrone fluffed a few as well and Mayo rode a few refereeing decisions. The 'Mayo can't win finals' thing will be overdone.
What goes on in Lee Keegan's head I do no know. So many heartbreaks and he's still a complete warrior. O'Hora being subbed will become one of those infamous Horan decisions.
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What I liked about this was that the management kept McKenna on, knowing he was probably good for one moment. Same as McCurry in the semi. Under Harte, they'd have been hooked.
Excellent performances from McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and Sludden. Two mids had their best game.
Feel for Mayo people.
I was crying for McKenna to be subbed just before he set up goal, was having a poor game. Shows what I know. Midfield was excellent, but look back on it, Petey was superb.
I said in the semi and was saying it today mckenna is a big game player he works hard and when u need him he will do something...... the pass was unbelievable. Usually when u watching on TV u can see the pass as u have the vantage of angles etc but when he was going through the pass wasn't even obvious on the TV and he delivered it to perfection.
Long live mckenna.
As an Armagh fan and as much as I don't like Tyrone....Congratulations on your fourth AI win. A lot of people were thinking Tyrone were done for when Harte left and they got smashed by Kerry in the league. However, they have managed to turn their season around quite dramatically. A lot of teams would have fell apart after losing to Kerry in a condensed season but Tyrone didn't. I do admire how they controlled their own destiny.
Mayo were woeful. Not too sure where Mayo go from here. Horan does so much for Mayo but the amount of losses they have accumulated over the last few years is going to be psychological issue that will pass down generations.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 11, 2021, 07:30:15 PM
Taking off O'Hora instead of O'Shea was criminal. Horan has a lot to answer for yet again after a failed AI final.
Can we finally stop this crap about oshea being a top quality player. Scored 1 poor from play in all the finals prior to this game. Is too slow, takes the ball into the tackle and goes down everytime at any contact.
Will this be the last year of the knockout format?
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Look out. The Bottom Inspectors are in the building. Clench those cheeks.
What are you on about? Do you not want to know the rules?
What rules? Sure the refs haven't a clue about the black card, let alone anything else.
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 11, 2021, 07:30:15 PM
Taking off O'Hora instead of O'Shea was criminal. Horan has a lot to answer for yet again after a failed AI final.
Can we finally stop this crap about oshea being a top quality player. Scored 1 poor from play in all the finals prior to this game. Is too slow, takes the ball into the tackle and goes down everytime at any contact.
OShea has been treading water for couple of years. Horan showed balls in semi, but calved the big decision in final. We were delighted to see him in team.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Worst final defeat ever. Mayo defeated themselves. They played the occasion, not the match.
I can only rationalise it by thinking that Mayo have Stockholm Syndrome and their identity is too attached to losing finals. This is one they should never have lost. They had the winning of that match and then some. They should have been winning it by seven or eight points.
All this has to stop. It's too painful for the rest of the country, never mind Mayo.
Tyrone are the most average team to win an All-Ireland for a loooong time.
Like in last years All-Ireland final with Dublin winning 2-14 to 0-15 Tyrone fully deserved their 5 point win.
In the terms of defeating themselves and one's they should never have lost then look no further than the 2013,2016 drawn and 2017 finals. Today Mayo was simply beaten by the better side on the day individually and collectively.
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
O'Shea wasn't the problem today.
Ruans went missing for maybe the first time in his life. loftus made a mess of everything in the final third. McLaughlin couldn't get into it. Walsh was found wanting. DOC was largely a passenger.
Aidan generally did okay without ever threatening the game. Better than most.
His role / position was beyond confused. But he didn't do much wrong in my book.
This is a final where the analysis is simple. A story of one team taking their goal chances the other didn't. The result would be been reversed if Mayo took their gl chances and Tyrone had not. Congratulations Tyrone on a deserved All Ireland
Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.
He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.
How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.
He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.
How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
He sort of reminds me of someone who at underage had a massive physical advantage over everyone else but once they get to senior level the balance swings against them and they can get found out for lack of skill
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.
He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.
How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
And just to emphasise the point. He won the 2nd half throw in and duly kicked it to a Tyrone lad. There wasn't a Mayo player within 10 years of the Tyrone player. That's him all over. No end product.
I'm not going to resort to personal insults or anything like that. I've never met him and probably never will. Off the pitch he's probably sound. However he's not good enough at this level and i can't understand how Mayo continue to try to build their game around him. In the semi final after he went off Mayo unleashed the shackles and played some great football. Why wasn't he taken off at say the 2nd water break when it was patently obvious that we wasn't contributing anything. That's on Horan and not O'Shea. Its not his fault he wasn't taken off.
Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2021, 09:42:56 PM
This is a final where the analysis is simple. A story of one team taking their goal chances the other didn't. The result would be been reversed if Mayo took their gl chances and Tyrone had not. Congratulations Tyrone on a deserved All Ireland
What do you think?
Mayo
A missed penalty (0 goals)
2 clear cut goal chances (0 goals)
2 half chances (0 goals)
Tyrone
2 clear cut goal chances (1 goal)
1 half chance (1 goal)
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.
He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.
How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
He sort of reminds me of someone who at underage had a massive physical advantage over everyone else but once they get to senior level the balance swings against them and they can get found out for lack of skill
I'm being honest here. I watched him in 2008 minor final and replay, I've never been impressed. For lad that size he went down far, far too easy. Sorry he'll never win an All Ireland, but.......
Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
That's our Aidan! Scores 5 or 6 against Leitrim or London.
Aidan O'Shea is one of ther most overrated GAA players of his generation, watch how many times he drops or juggles a ball in every game, you should not be picked on size, its your ability that counts. That said too many Mayo players mis-placed or dropped simple hand passes. How many chances do we need? This was not a great Tyrone side
Can RTE really not find any other Tyrone ex-players to get on? Cavanagh is hard enough to listen to just once, but him being on both for the live game and the highlights show is really pushing it.
Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Can RTE really not find any other Tyrone ex-players to get on? Cavanagh is hard enough to listen to just once, but him being on both for the live game and the highlights show is really pushing it.
It seems to go by playing ability unfortunately. Tomás Ó Sé is quite good in fairness, but Gooch is not great for instance.
Enda McGinley would be an excellent contributor, very intelligent.
McGinley is an excellent analyst. Very similar to Oisin McConville.
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Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2021, 09:42:56 PM
This is a final where the analysis is simple. A story of one team taking their goal chances the other didn't. The result would be been reversed if Mayo took their gl chances and Tyrone had not. Congratulations Tyrone on a deserved All Ireland
What do you think?
Mayo
A missed penalty (0 goals)
2 clear cut goal chances (0 goals)
2 half chances (0 goals)
Tyrone
2 clear cut goal chances (1 goal)
1 half chance (1 goal)
Tyrone had 3 clear cut goal chances.
Fair play Tyrone, deserving winners. More composed on the ball and better organised. Defensively impressive. Enjoy the celebrations, sound group of Tyronies around us. We were very poor, turned over consistently and forcing play. Credit the pressure on us all game long.
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Quote from: Schkite on September 11, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Can RTE really not find any other Tyrone ex-players to get on? Cavanagh is hard enough to listen to just once, but him being on both for the live game and the highlights show is really pushing it.
It seems to go by playing ability unfortunately. Tomás Ó Sé is quite good in fairness, but Gooch is not great for instance.
Enda McGinley would be an excellent contributor, very intelligent.
Gooch is excellent you fool, he knows his stuff
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2021, 08:53:27 PM
Well Done Tyrone! Who would have thought earlier on in the year!
The better team won today and Mayo Posters need to such it up and move on.
Talk of the worst team ever to win an AI is poor form.
This team has won the AI on merit. Talk of how great they are lies in the years ahead.
But today they are the best in Ireland.
Once again well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations into the new year.
That's real class From the Bunker, fair play to you.
Still hard to believe for me. I called for Mickey to go in recent years because I believed - despite his fantastic service and huge knowledge - that his conservatism and micro management was holding a good team back. But I never believed that simply changing management would sort everything and I felt any new manager would need time to implement their ideas. For Logan and Dooher and co to have done this in a hugely shortened season is incredible.
Small margins again but I do think we deserved it. We'll enjoy this first and who knows what the future holds, but tantalising to think what we could do with a fully fit McShane at full forward after a run of games and likewise Canavan properly bedded in and a role found for McKenna that maximises his considerable talent. This team can still be better.
My condolences to Mayo. Form guide was so limited that it was hard to be sure what to read into the semis. I did wonder were Dublin 2021 really not that great. Maybe not, but today did suggest Mayo were perhaps over rated on the back of that win. I wish Mayo all the best though and I hope their day comes very soon.
To everyone associated with Tyrone: congratulations :D
Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2021, 09:42:56 PM
This is a final where the analysis is simple. A story of one team taking their goal chances the other didn't. The result would be been reversed if Mayo took their gl chances and Tyrone had not. Congratulations Tyrone on a deserved All Ireland
Very lazy analysis. Tyrone were always In control of the game. If Mayo had scored a goal (a big if) Tyrone would almost certainly have come back.. As a Derry man it pains me to say Tyrone were in a different class today. They fully deserved it. No ifs, no buts.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
McGinley is an excellent analyst. Very similar to Oisin McConville.
I agree, also Declan Bogue and Thomas O Se. Their podcasts are thuraly enjoyable.
Bogue is possibly the best GAA journalist out there.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-more-excuses-please-from-footballs-great-time-wasters-40841976.html
Brolly lettin rip....
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-more-excuses-please-from-footballs-great-time-wasters-40841976.html
Brolly lettin rip....
I hope he's hurting, the Derry w**ker ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2021, 12:09:14 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-more-excuses-please-from-footballs-great-time-wasters-40841976.html
Brolly lettin rip....
Funny he thought they were the best thing since sliced bread after the Dublin game. Joe goes with the wind.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
They never mentioned it in commentary or on rte at all but I thought Morgan was off his goal line before the penalty was taken. Should it not have been retaken?
You watch too much soccer.
They have a point
(b) For the goalkeeper defending a penalty kick to
move nearer than 11m before the kick is taken.
PENALTY -
If a goal is not scored, the referee shall
allow the penalty kick to be retaken.
Although i don't think i've ever seen it enforced in GAA
Look out. The Bottom Inspectors are in the building. Clench those cheeks.
Key point about the penalty was that Conn Kilpatirck was fouled when catching the ball, pushed from behind by Conroy I think, when the, very bad, free was kicked in. It should have been a free out. So justice was done in the end.
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-more-excuses-please-from-footballs-great-time-wasters-40841976.html
Brolly lettin rip....
Funny he thought they were the best thing since sliced bread after the Dublin game. Joe goes with the wind.
Funny he thought Mayo were dysfunctional before the Dublin semi and Dublin would destroy them. Then he produced no column the week after when Mayo beat them. Funny that. Asshole.
Normally when an Ulshter team are in the All Ireland we close ranks and cheer on our own. This year I've heard Ulshter man after Ulshter man expressing a will for Mayo to triumph. It makes me ponder....are Tyrone a bunch of hateful koontz?
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Good lad Larry. It's cause of fans like you and coffee shops in mayo giving out free drinks cause use were certain you won win that cost mayothst game. Constantly hyping up teams which never make it over the line. I can guess Lee Keegan isn't smiling in mckennas face anymore tonight.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
Overcoming Dublin I suppose...
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
Overcoming Dublin I suppose...
Did they though. They needed a dodgy referees decision just to get to extra time to beat the dubs.
Embarrassing from the Mayo forward line today. Yet again their piss poor forwards have been found out on the big day
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Embarrassing from the Mayo forward line today. Yet again their piss poor forwards have been found out on the big day
Fortunately, those piss poor forwards were good enough to beat overfunded Dublin.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 01:00:10 AM
Embarrassing from the Mayo forward line today. Yet again their piss poor forwards have been found out on the big day
Fortunately, those piss poor forwards were good enough to beat overfunded Dublin.
How many All Ireland titles/medals have those Dublin players? This year you had a Dublin squad who were running on empty and their priorities were other things than winning another All Ireland.
The reality is this Mayo squad isn't anywhere near the quality of the sides that pushed Dublin so close and they are as far away from winning Sam as they've ever been
When Dublin were knocked out this year there some hope that some of the begrudging ballbags that support them would also be knocked out, but no, the attention seeking gurriers still linger past their sell time date to squeal about their petty grievances.
Jesus lads, I'm sick
Well done to all the Tyronies on here, the better team on the day won. Enjoy it lads
We'll come again as unlikely as that may seem tonight. Maigh Eo abú
Congratulations Tyrone, I'm just in the door after a long day. Deserved winners and no complaints from our side.
I thought this year would be ours. Worthy champions Tyrone, enjoy the celebrations.
Quote from: Main Street on September 12, 2021, 02:12:29 AM
When Dublin were knocked out this year there some hope that some of the begrudging ballbags that support them would also be knocked out, but no, the attention seeking gurriers still linger past their sell time date to squeal about their petty grievances.
Well done you. You've somehow managed to have to have a dig at the dubs after an All Ireland final between Mayo and Tyrone. That's some serious bitterness there lad
Well done Tyrone better team won no question.
I thought you tightened up a tiny bit after the second goal and left the door slighty ajar for us but not long after you realised we were stuck in panic mode and drove it home with ease.
We were poor, error strewn on and off the pitch and seemed to be fighting against ourseleves as well as Tyrone to try and get into the game.
The scars from previous final losses I thought were evident today especially after the penalty miss when the harder we were trying the deeper we sank into a hole we couldn't get out of!
The second goal from Tyrone was quality and delivered at the perfect time and for me summed up the composure all Tyrone players showed once they got to the pitch of the game.
I feel for O'Shea as he is the lighting rod for all the annoyance of other counties who are sick of us wasting our chances in finals over and over again. Truth be told his time is likely done with Mayo now.
Horan needs to keep the youth drive going and I think Stephen Coen had quietly a great season for us.
One thing we haven't got right all season is our half forward line, from the very first league game it has been inconsistent in both play and selection.
Lastly to the couple of Dubs posters on here money can move you up a class but you are great example how money can never seem to buy you class.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Good lad Larry. It's cause of fans like you and coffee shops in mayo giving out free drinks cause use were certain you won win that cost mayothst game. Constantly hyping up teams which never make it over the line. I can guess Lee Keegan isn't smiling in mckennas face anymore tonight.
I know is probably over exhurberance after your deserved win but this post is complete horseshit in fairness. Enjoy the celebrations anyway though.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 12, 2021, 02:44:51 AM
Well done Tyrone better team won no question.
I thought you tightened up a tiny bit after the second goal and left the door slighty ajar for us but not long after you realised we were stuck in panic mode and drove it home with ease.
We were poor, error strewn on and off the pitch and seemed to be fighting against ourseleves as well as Tyrone to try and get into the game.
The scars from previous final losses I thought were evident today especially after the penalty miss when the harder we were trying the deeper we sank into a hole we couldn't get out of!
The second goal from Tyrone was quality and delivered at the perfect time and for me summed up the composure all Tyrone players showed once they got to the pitch of the game.
I feel for O'Shea as he is the lighting rod for all the annoyance of other counties who are sick of us wasting our chances in finals over and over again. Truth be told his time is likely done with Mayo now.
Horan needs to keep the youth drive going and I think Stephen Coen had quietly a great season for us.
One thing we haven't got right all season is our half forward line, from the very first league game it has been inconsistent in both play and selection.
Lastly to the couple of Dubs posters on here money can move you up a class but you are great example how money can never seem to buy you class.
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Good post Crete but unfair, the dubs posters you reference aren't reflective of the real supporters here like hound, the hill is blue, etc. All decent gaa people and dead sound.
We lost today but we'll be back, we know no other way
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 01:00:10 AM
Embarrassing from the Mayo forward line today. Yet again their piss poor forwards have been found out on the big day
Fortunately, those piss poor forwards were good enough to beat overfunded Dublin.
How many All Ireland titles/medals have those Dublin players? This year you had a Dublin squad who were running on empty and their priorities were other things than winning another All Ireland.
The reality is this Mayo squad isn't anywhere near the quality of the sides that pushed Dublin so close and they are as far away from winning Sam as they've ever been
That's the poorest excuse I've ever heard. Their priorities were other things. That's a cracker ;D ;D ;D
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 01:00:10 AM
Embarrassing from the Mayo forward line today. Yet again their piss poor forwards have been found out on the big day
Fortunately, those piss poor forwards were good enough to beat overfunded Dublin.
How many All Ireland titles/medals have those Dublin players? This year you had a Dublin squad who were running on empty and their priorities were other things than winning another All Ireland.
The reality is this Mayo squad isn't anywhere near the quality of the sides that pushed Dublin so close and they are as far away from winning Sam as they've ever been
And what were their priorities if not winning San? You are the sorest loser of anyone on this site
Quote from: Sportacus on September 11, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
AOS
History repeats itself
https://youtu.be/t8Myb8i13qY
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360697.html
Three-time All-Ireland winner Hickey described Mayo as a "tragic outfit" prior to last December's final clash with Dublin
Well done to Tyrone, as I expected they won the game comfortably and had it under control from early on. I think at this stage they've pushed themselves up the rankings and are now probably the second best team in the country after Dublin with Kerry third.
Get some scientists in to study this strain of covid that the Tyrone boys caught.
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https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360697.html
Three-time All-Ireland winner Hickey described Mayo as a "tragic outfit" prior to last December's final clash with Dublin
That article is pure comedy gold..lamenting the hard done by Dubs and begrudgingly tipping Mayo to beat Kerry in the final.....with not a mention of Tyrone.
Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
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Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
Analysis by Joe brolly
Mayo are shite this week
Funny story that never happened no 1
Funny story that never happened no 2
Mayo are shite
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Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
Didn't see it but my guess is:
RTE quiz joke
Loads of pints last night
Received a text msg from a former player
Aidan O'Shea is a joke
https://www.otbsports.com/football/padraig-hampsey-speech-1250647
That's the link to Padraig's winning speech. A very under rated player.
A credit to his county unlike the Donegal supporter behind him!
Fair play to Tyrone - worthy winners and hats off to their fans too, all of whom I found to be very gracious in victory. Some other counties' fans could learn a lot from them on how to behave themselves.
On the game itself - that was a very disappointing performance but you'd have to give credit to Tyrone for how they defended and managed their opposing players.
Leeroy once again outstanding for us, as was Stephen Coen. Other than those 2 with perhaps the odd exception, there was little to cheer in terms of performance.
We created a number of chances but just didn't convert them and that was pretty much the story of the day. The absence of Cillian is unquantifiable. Don't know if he would have been able to close the 5 point difference, but that's by the by now.
Yesterday was Tyrones day and I wish them well and may they enjoy their celebrations, they Certainly deserve it.
It was a better game than I expected and congratulations to Tyrone on a well deserved victory. Some achievement by Dooher and Logan in their first year in management and you have to have a grudging admiration for their ability to get the job done. It's only a matter of time now before they steal Downs mantle as the most successful team in the 6 counties.
For Mayo they just failed to perform and had about 5 good goal chances yet took none of them. They have an abundance of good running half backs but have a severe shortage of good inside forwards who can finish. They will come back again but that is no consolation the day after another devastating defeat.
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Well done Tyrone better team won no question.
I thought you tightened up a tiny bit after the second goal and left the door slighty ajar for us but not long after you realised we were stuck in panic mode and drove it home with ease.
We were poor, error strewn on and off the pitch and seemed to be fighting against ourseleves as well as Tyrone to try and get into the game.
The scars from previous final losses I thought were evident today especially after the penalty miss when the harder we were trying the deeper we sank into a hole we couldn't get out of!
The second goal from Tyrone was quality and delivered at the perfect time and for me summed up the composure all Tyrone players showed once they got to the pitch of the game.
I feel for O'Shea as he is the lighting rod for all the annoyance of other counties who are sick of us wasting our chances in finals over and over again. Truth be told his time is likely done with Mayo now.
Horan needs to keep the youth drive going and I think Stephen Coen had quietly a great season for us.
One thing we haven't got right all season is our half forward line, from the very first league game it has been inconsistent in both play and selection.
Lastly to the couple of Dubs posters on here money can move you up a class but you are great example how money can never seem to buy you class.
Only on gaaboard every discussion turns to Dublin. Plenty other threads for that. This is Tyrone day.
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-more-excuses-please-from-footballs-great-time-wasters-40841976.html
Brolly lettin rip....
Funny he thought they were the best thing since sliced bread after the Dublin game. Joe goes with the wind.
Funny he thought Mayo were dysfunctional before the Dublin semi and Dublin would destroy them. Then he produced no column the week after when Mayo beat them. Funny that. Asshole.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-end-of-dublins-decade-of-dominance-was-sad-to-see-but-not-as-sad-as-i-thought-it-would-be-40752413.html (https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-end-of-dublins-decade-of-dominance-was-sad-to-see-but-not-as-sad-as-i-thought-it-would-be-40752413.html)
Long day yesterday, but a great days craic and atmosphere even with half the crowd.
Tyrone just seem to be better set up and there was some big performances by that Tyrone team. Not least in midfield were I was worried we would be overrun. McCurry has been a class act this year and I hope he uses it to push on over the next few years. And if him, McKenna, McShane, Canavan all continue to develop then it's an attack that can challenge with any County.
Mentions for Harte and Morgan as well as they were outstanding.
Can't not feel for the Mayo supporters. Such a deserving group and I really hope they manage to get across the line at some point. Brought so much excitement to the championship the last decade. For Keegan alone it would be great. A rolls Royce player.
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Get some scientists in to study this strain of covid that the Tyrone boys caught.
Tyronavirus.
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https://www.otbsports.com/football/padraig-hampsey-speech-1250647
That's the link to Padraig's winning speech. A very under rated player.
A credit to his county unlike the Donegal supporter behind him!
Great speech. Some great leaders in that Tyrone camp, who conduct themselves well. Gutted for Mayo , but I think they still lack enough marquee forwards. Would agree re Lee Keegan being outstanding, incredible athleticism and drive but ultimately not enough product from that, whilst McKenna for example didn't really play well but produces the best play of the game which essentially win the match.
Well done Tyrone
Congrats and well done to Tyrone. Got the goals at right time. Niall Morgan restarts were top class. Tyrone midfielders Kennedy and Kilpatrick stood up today. Ben McDonnell caught great ball when entered pitch. McCurry had a great season. Niall Sludden had a good first half. Special mention to Meyler and McGeary brilliant all year, always thought their discipline was poor but this year they channelled their aggression excellently. From their winning 2015 u21 Hampsey, Meyler, McGeary, Burns and McShane are the central spine of current team.
Commiserations to Mayo. Probably one of the toughest defeats to take. Stephen Coen, Lee Keegan and Paddy Durcan were excellent. O'Donoghue and Conroy faded as Tyrone tightened up at back. Leaders Ruane and O'Connor were very quiet.
After all that we now have the club championship look forward to. Looking forward to getting to club games and watching on TG4.
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Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
Analysis by Joe brolly
Mayo are shite this week
Funny story that never happened no 1
Funny story that never happened no 2
Mayo are shite
Some quote from the Art of War by Sun tzu.
Meet kieran mcgeary walking his dog in Pomeroy during the week and told him to give Mayo hell.
Had pints with Dooher last night and told him he thought tyrone would win.
Aidan o shea
Dig at RTE
Been watching tyrone train all week.
Knows padraig hampseys granda
Another dig at RTE
A small mention for Burns, I had my reservations about him starting tbh, but covers an enormous amount of ground and spoiled a lot of play on Mayo!! Was critical to turnovers, which is central to our game plan this year.
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A small mention for Burns, I had my reservations about him starting tbh, but covers an enormous amount of ground and spoiled a lot of play on Mayo!! Was critical to turnovers, which is central to our game plan this year.
Some engine on Burns. Not the best footballer but has serious heart. I think he had the most possessions against Kerry in semi final.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 12, 2021, 09:21:04 AM
A small mention for Burns, I had my reservations about him starting tbh, but covers an enormous amount of ground and spoiled a lot of play on Mayo!! Was critical to turnovers, which is central to our game plan this year.
Thought Burns was crucial to Tyrone's game plan all year. Tackles on the edge but positionally very good and wins a serious amount of possession.
Mayo played better in last years final. The 4 week gap wouldn't have helped but the lack of composure was very poor.
Noticeable for 2 teams in a All Ireland that they hadn't a player to take frees from either angle. McCurry took from both sides,took one in the first half which wasn't on for a left footer. O Donaghue the same for Mayo, dropped a free which lead to the goal. It was a free for a left footer
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Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
Didn't see it but my guess is:
RTE quiz joke
Loads of pints last night
Received a text msg from a former player
Aidan O'Shea is a joke
I'm so great
Everyone looking a selfie with me
The winners are great fellas and I knew they'd win
The losers are prima donnas and i knew they'd lose
The winning team all texted me afterwards
I'm so great
Claire Byrne has it right when its comes to Brolly, turn the wee bollix off. Hes a disgrace to the wonderful men he played with. You would wonder how lads like Anthony Tohill, Sean Marty etc tolerated an eggit like him.
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Quote from: knockitdown on September 12, 2021, 08:24:39 AM
Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
Didn't see it but my guess is:
RTE quiz joke
Loads of pints last night
Received a text msg from a former player
Aidan O'Shea is a joke
I'm so great
Everyone looking a selfie with me
The winners are great fellas and I knew they'd win
The losers are prima donnas and i knew they'd lose
The winning team all texted me afterwards
I'm so great
:) :).
Bang on!
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Premium
No more excuses please from football's great time wasters
Joe Brolly
Mayo is full of cliques and favourites as culture will not change under Horan who made Tyrone's job easy
September 11 2021 10:08 PM
Time wasters. A lot of other counties would give their right arms to be here. The people of Mayo put their heart and soul into their team. And this is what they get?
A manager on the sideline making choices based on political considerations. A protected captain who does not lead and never will.
Substituting Pádraig O'Hora in the 51st minute after he had surged forward to win a free inside the Tyrone half and had been taking the game to Tyrone? Leaving passengers on the field?
It was embarrassing and enraging, even if it was inevitable. The shame is that with a high-performance culture based on merit, Mayo could be so much more than this. I got a text from Pat Gilroy on the final whistle. It said "culture".
At the highest level, the best culture wins. Which is why, in the end, a middling Tyrone team still learning their trade won easily. They are serious.
With Dooher, Logan and Peter Canavan leading the group, there is a merciless search for success. No passengers. No favourites. Winning big games, as they know, is war without guns.
The six in-a-row Dubs might have been highly skilled, highly conditioned, and expertly coached, but they would not have won without bringing war. Tyrone were up for it. Mayo, with a few exceptions, were not. How could they be? They have too many distractions.
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The game was finally over in the 25th minute. Aidan O'Shea was presented with the easiest goal chance I have seen in a final. The Tyrone keeper was caught out and had left his goal empty, chasing back fearing the worst.
His life must have flashed before his eyes. He needn't have worried. "Oh for f**k sake" the Mayo man beside me said. My brother Proinsias texted me, "As I said our boy".
When there are individuals who are undroppable and a manager has favourites, cliques form and it is not a team.
The players know this, and the true bonds of loyalty and togetherness that are compulsory for success are missing.
The manager talks a good game but it is merely talk. I feel bad for Mayo and its people and its wonderful clubs but until this malaise is rooted out, this will continue to be their reality.
Straws will be clutched at. Mayo missed a penalty when they were two points down. But when everything isn't right, nothing is right.
The feeling of liberation at the absence of Dublin and the hope that Mayo might perform was soon replaced with a feeling that nothing has changed. Tyrone, all calm and composed and ruthless when it came to it, won by five points.
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It could have been worse, if for the second game in a row, the 'Son of God' hadn't missed what for him was an easy goal chance.
I have watched him with excitement since he was a teenager and have never seen him miss a goal chance. It must be the Carrickmore in him. He has his first Sam Maguire already. His father, who did not win his first until he was 33, must be well pleased.
I wrote last week that what happened in the last quarter of the Dublin game and in extra-time was not a game plan. It was a crazy, unpredictable, emotional energy that an underdog sometimes taps into.
Tyrone, meanwhile, gloved Kerry, with a miraculous performance from David Clifford keeping Kerry in it. Finals are unsentimental affairs. It is kill or be killed. It is culture v culture. And when one team's philosophy is not based on the principles of logic and merit, defeat is inevitable. The back-to-the-drawing-board bull* does not cut it.
Good culture is the backdrop for the decisive contributions that are required to win an All-Ireland. I think of the Meath team of Colm O'Rourke, all loyalty and stubbornness and refusal to accept defeat, winning All-Irelands against better teams on paper.
Or the 2008 Tyrone team. Or Down of 1991. Or us in 1993. Or the Dubs from 2011 onwards. Mayo's manager will say, "We lost by a point" or "we missed a penalty" or "we couldn't repeat our semi-final performance" but this is just bull*.
Tyrone, a team picked on merit, with a culture of heads down, no commercial distractions and playing for the people of Tyrone, easily won. Two expertly-taken goals will be the headline, but the truth is that their culture is a world away from their opposition's.
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There were any number of moments where we turned to each other and said, "Well that's the end of that", but the truth is that this contest was over before it began.
Tyrone came in at half-time two up, after O'Hora had surged forward defiantly to win a 20-metre free that Ryan O'Donoghue easily converted. But the wheels of this sentimental, public-relations merry-go-round came off altogether in the second half.
McShane came on and fisted a superb goal from a terrific long diagonal ball. The 'Son of God' came on shortly afterwards and played with the precision and expertise one would expect from a Canavan.
The inevitable second Tyrone goal followed, a thrilling long kick-out from Morgan leading to an expertly-taken finish. Calm, precise, serious. Just what you'd expect from a serious team.
Thing is, Tyrone did not expect to be All-Ireland champions at the start of this season. But when they got Mayo in the final, they knew, and we knew, that it was going to happen. In the end, it is a question of culture.
Under this manager, Mayo are time wasters. Soul destroying for good footballers and good clubs. Soul destroying for the people.
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Good lad Larry. It's cause of fans like you and coffee shops in mayo giving out free drinks cause use were certain you won win that cost mayothst game. Constantly hyping up teams which never make it over the line. I can guess Lee Keegan isn't smiling in mckennas face anymore tonight.
I know is probably over exhurberance after your deserved win but this post is complete horseshit in fairness. Enjoy the celebrations anyway though.
Not horseshit at all. Mayo apparently had the game won before it started. Year after year they mayo are hyped beyond believe.
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The intensity they brought to the kerry game was good but just as much about Kerry's lack of intensity (donnie buckley replaced by mountain climber ) . Mayo players wont just match Tyrone intensity they'll murder them . Some of these bucks like o hora and mullin are off the scale in this department , you'll see .
I must be in the minority but I thought Kerry played well in the semi and I didn't think they lacked intensity.
You only have to look at the pressure they exerted on the Tyrone kick outs and their harrying of the Tyrone defenders.
Maybe that was the Tyrone master plan, let Kerry burn themselves out. It is what they did with Clifford, let him kick points until is leg got too tired.
Shame they didnt put some pressure on the goal scorers from Tyrone. Kerry were shite and Tyrone aren't much better , like I've said a million times you'll see sat , our bucks will makes bits of them
Good lad Larry. It's cause of fans like you and coffee shops in mayo giving out free drinks cause use were certain you won win that cost mayothst game. Constantly hyping up teams which never make it over the line. I can guess Lee Keegan isn't smiling in mckennas face anymore tonight.
I know is probably over exhurberance after your deserved win but this post is complete horseshit in fairness. Enjoy the celebrations anyway though.
Not horseshit at all. Mayo apparently had the game won before it started. Year after year they mayo are hyped beyond believe.
David Brady put out a tweet yesterday morning saying that they would remember this day for the rest of their lives and that they would be waking up Sunday morning with medals. He never said what colour though.
Tyrone were worthy winners, I thought this was finally going to be Mayo's day but players like Ruane, O'Shea, O'Connor, Mullin - to name just a few - who they needed to be at the top of their game, weren't. Horan found badly wanting on the sideline in a final again in terms of personnel changes and assessing who's actually playing well and who might need to be introduced to change things.
Mayo people are defensive of this team and rightly so, have played and won on so many big days bar the final day, but surely at this stage even the locals must see that some players are not being unjustly used as lightning rods for criticism by outsiders, if players are injured or not at full tilt to the point where they can't perform then you trust the panel, otherwise don't put that out as an excuse for poor performance.
Mayo have had umpteen chances but it was another no show yesterday in the composure stakes from too many of them and all my sympathies today lie with Lee Keegan, what a player this man is and has been for the last ten years. If I had to nail down my all time greatest 15 I've seen in person, he'd walk onto it ahead of other players with multiple AI's in the back pocket, an absolute warrior again yesterday. I realise that "deserves got nothing to do with it" but he is surely the greatest player not to have the Senior Inter County medal at this stage.
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Tyrone were worthy winners, I thought this was finally going to be Mayo's day but players like Ruane, O'Shea, O'Connor, Mullin - to name just a few - who they needed to be at the top of their game, weren't. Horan found badly wanting on the sideline in a final again in terms of personnel changes and assessing who's actually playing well and who might need to be introduced to change things.
Mayo people are defensive of this team and rightly so, have played and won on so many big days bar the final day, but surely at this stage even the locals must see that some players are not being unjustly used as lightning rods for criticism by outsiders, if players are injured or not at full tilt to the point where they can't perform then you trust the panel, otherwise don't put that out as an excuse for poor performance.
Mayo have had umpteen chances but it was another no show yesterday in the composure stakes from too many of them and all my sympathies today lie with Lee Keegan, what a player this man is and has been for the last ten years. If I had to nail down my all time greatest 15 I've seen in person, he'd walk onto it ahead of other players with multiple AI's in the back pocket, an absolute warrior again yesterday. I realise that "deserves got nothing to do with it" but he is surely the greatest player not to have the Senior Inter County medal at this stage.
I think Mayo will bounce back like they always do but that defeat will likely have a lasting effect moreso than all of the Dublin finals. Until they address the lack of natural scorers or finishers they will always struggle to get over line though.
Would agree on Keegan, that was one of the great AI final performances. Not quite sure who judged McCurry as having played better than keegan but they must have been watching a different match, no way was McCurry MOTM.
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Mayo have had umpteen chances but it was another no show yesterday in the composure stakes from too many of them and all my sympathies today lie with Lee Keegan, what a player this man is and has been for the last ten years. If I had to nail down my all time greatest 15 I've seen in person, he'd walk onto it ahead of other players with multiple AI's in the back pocket, an absolute warrior again yesterday. I realise that "deserves got nothing to do with it" but he is surely the greatest player not to have the Senior Inter County medal at this stage.
Lee Keegan is my favourite player outside of Tyrone, and has been for a long time. I felt most for him yesterday, and definitely in the modern game he is one of the best not to have a medal.
Comhbhrón Maigh Eo :'(
Comhghairdeas Tír Eoghain! :D
Yeoooooww!
Feel for Mayo, but they didn't rise to the necessary levels of "intinsity" (copyright Spillane) yesterday.
Some of the southern sports "pundits" need to take a long, hard look at themselves, and ditch the tinted glasses.
That Tyrone team may be some time, so they had better get used to it. ;)
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Well Done Tyrone! Who would have thought earlier on in the year!
The better team won today and Mayo Posters need to such it up and move on.
Talk of the worst team ever to win an AI is poor form.
This team has won the AI on merit. Talk of how great they are lies in the years ahead.
But today they are the best in Ireland.
Once again well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations into the new year.
That's real class From the Bunker, fair play to you.
Still hard to believe for me. I called for Mickey to go in recent years because I believed - despite his fantastic service and huge knowledge - that his conservatism and micro management was holding a good team back. But I never believed that simply changing management would sort everything and I felt any new manager would need time to implement their ideas. For Logan and Dooher and co to have done this in a hugely shortened season is incredible.
Small margins again but I do think we deserved it. We'll enjoy this first and who knows what the future holds, but tantalising to think what we could do with a fully fit McShane at full forward after a run of games and likewise Canavan properly bedded in and a role found for McKenna that maximises his considerable talent. This team can still be better.
My condolences to Mayo. Form guide was so limited that it was hard to be sure what to read into the semis. I did wonder were Dublin 2021 really not that great. Maybe not, but today did suggest Mayo were perhaps over rated on the back of that win. I wish Mayo all the best though and I hope their day comes very soon.
To everyone associated with Tyrone: congratulations :D
Coming into this game, I had a feeling of 2012 all over again. We beat reigning champions Dublin with a young team that year.
That 2012 final closed out pretty much like yesterdays game.
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Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Well done to Tyrone and congrats to their supporters here.
Still hurting this morning though. Too many big names let themselves down yesterday on the Mayo side unfortunately. I could go on an all out rant, but nothing would change. But can anyone tell me why did James Carr only see 2 minutes, Aiden Orme about 5 more or so when it was blatently clear that our forwards were not up to scratch? I'm not Carr's biggest fan by any means, but putting him on in the middle of injury time beggars belief.
I would definitely question some of Horans decision making on the line. Obviously he knows the players better than anybody but some of his substitutions or lack of them were not based on performance alone.
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Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Ridiculous statement about the curse.
I'm of a certain age and for the first forty years of my life the curse didn't exist, it's a modern invention, spurred aging by a headline grabbing media.
Was there a meal etc after the match, if so where was it held?
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Ridiculous statement about the curse.
I'm of a certain age and for the first forty years of my life the curse didn't exist, it's a modern invention, spurred aging by a headline grabbing media.
Yeah, there was no talk of the Curse in 1985 or 1989.
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Was there a meal etc after the match, if so where was it held?
Armagh City Hotel
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Was there a meal etc after the match, if so where was it held?
Armagh City.
Homecoming in omagh today at 2.30
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Was there a meal etc after the match, if so where was it held?
Armagh City Hotel
Thanks. Usually its in the city west. Was it televised
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Watched a bit of the game when I got home last night and I couldn't help but notice Horan's body language on the line, it just wasn't good.
Going forward I think Mayo need to bring in a manager that has experience of winning the All-Ireland in order to get them over the line.
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Anyone able to post Brollys full analysis from the independent?
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No more excuses please from football's great time wasters
Joe Brolly
Mayo is full of cliques and favourites as culture will not change under Horan who made Tyrone's job easy
September 11 2021 10:08 PM
Time wasters. A lot of other counties would give their right arms to be here. The people of Mayo put their heart and soul into their team. And this is what they get?
A manager on the sideline making choices based on political considerations. A protected captain who does not lead and never will.
Substituting Pádraig O'Hora in the 51st minute after he had surged forward to win a free inside the Tyrone half and had been taking the game to Tyrone? Leaving passengers on the field?
It was embarrassing and enraging, even if it was inevitable. The shame is that with a high-performance culture based on merit, Mayo could be so much more than this. I got a text from Pat Gilroy on the final whistle. It said "culture".
At the highest level, the best culture wins. Which is why, in the end, a middling Tyrone team still learning their trade won easily. They are serious.
With Dooher, Logan and Peter Canavan leading the group, there is a merciless search for success. No passengers. No favourites. Winning big games, as they know, is war without guns.
The six in-a-row Dubs might have been highly skilled, highly conditioned, and expertly coached, but they would not have won without bringing war. Tyrone were up for it. Mayo, with a few exceptions, were not. How could they be? They have too many distractions.
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The game was finally over in the 25th minute. Aidan O'Shea was presented with the easiest goal chance I have seen in a final. The Tyrone keeper was caught out and had left his goal empty, chasing back fearing the worst.
His life must have flashed before his eyes. He needn't have worried. "Oh for f**k sake" the Mayo man beside me said. My brother Proinsias texted me, "As I said our boy".
When there are individuals who are undroppable and a manager has favourites, cliques form and it is not a team.
The players know this, and the true bonds of loyalty and togetherness that are compulsory for success are missing.
The manager talks a good game but it is merely talk. I feel bad for Mayo and its people and its wonderful clubs but until this malaise is rooted out, this will continue to be their reality.
Straws will be clutched at. Mayo missed a penalty when they were two points down. But when everything isn't right, nothing is right.
The feeling of liberation at the absence of Dublin and the hope that Mayo might perform was soon replaced with a feeling that nothing has changed. Tyrone, all calm and composed and ruthless when it came to it, won by five points.
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It could have been worse, if for the second game in a row, the 'Son of God' hadn't missed what for him was an easy goal chance.
I have watched him with excitement since he was a teenager and have never seen him miss a goal chance. It must be the Carrickmore in him. He has his first Sam Maguire already. His father, who did not win his first until he was 33, must be well pleased.
I wrote last week that what happened in the last quarter of the Dublin game and in extra-time was not a game plan. It was a crazy, unpredictable, emotional energy that an underdog sometimes taps into.
Tyrone, meanwhile, gloved Kerry, with a miraculous performance from David Clifford keeping Kerry in it. Finals are unsentimental affairs. It is kill or be killed. It is culture v culture. And when one team's philosophy is not based on the principles of logic and merit, defeat is inevitable. The back-to-the-drawing-board bull* does not cut it.
Good culture is the backdrop for the decisive contributions that are required to win an All-Ireland. I think of the Meath team of Colm O'Rourke, all loyalty and stubbornness and refusal to accept defeat, winning All-Irelands against better teams on paper.
Or the 2008 Tyrone team. Or Down of 1991. Or us in 1993. Or the Dubs from 2011 onwards. Mayo's manager will say, "We lost by a point" or "we missed a penalty" or "we couldn't repeat our semi-final performance" but this is just bull*.
Tyrone, a team picked on merit, with a culture of heads down, no commercial distractions and playing for the people of Tyrone, easily won. Two expertly-taken goals will be the headline, but the truth is that their culture is a world away from their opposition's.
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There were any number of moments where we turned to each other and said, "Well that's the end of that", but the truth is that this contest was over before it began.
Tyrone came in at half-time two up, after O'Hora had surged forward defiantly to win a 20-metre free that Ryan O'Donoghue easily converted. But the wheels of this sentimental, public-relations merry-go-round came off altogether in the second half.
McShane came on and fisted a superb goal from a terrific long diagonal ball. The 'Son of God' came on shortly afterwards and played with the precision and expertise one would expect from a Canavan.
The inevitable second Tyrone goal followed, a thrilling long kick-out from Morgan leading to an expertly-taken finish. Calm, precise, serious. Just what you'd expect from a serious team.
Thing is, Tyrone did not expect to be All-Ireland champions at the start of this season. But when they got Mayo in the final, they knew, and we knew, that it was going to happen. In the end, it is a question of culture.
Under this manager, Mayo are time wasters. Soul destroying for good footballers and good clubs. Soul destroying for the people.
Thank you sir
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Ridiculous statement about the curse.
I'm of a certain age and for the first forty years of my life the curse didn't exist, it's a modern invention, spurred aging by a headline grabbing media.
The veracity or otherwise of Mayo's "curse" doesn't matter. The truth is everybody in Mayo including the players and management now has a massive mental block from losing all these finals and that is going to be very difficult for them to overcome. The idea of winning an All-Ireland has taken on such an enormity that it sends brains haywire and turns legs to jelly. It weighs like a ton on them. That
is a curse.
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Well Done Tyrone! Who would have thought earlier on in the year!
The better team won today and Mayo Posters need to such it up and move on.
Talk of the worst team ever to win an AI is poor form.
This team has won the AI on merit. Talk of how great they are lies in the years ahead.
But today they are the best in Ireland.
Once again well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations into the new year.
That's real class From the Bunker, fair play to you.
Still hard to believe for me. I called for Mickey to go in recent years because I believed - despite his fantastic service and huge knowledge - that his conservatism and micro management was holding a good team back. But I never believed that simply changing management would sort everything and I felt any new manager would need time to implement their ideas. For Logan and Dooher and co to have done this in a hugely shortened season is incredible.
Small margins again but I do think we deserved it. We'll enjoy this first and who knows what the future holds, but tantalising to think what we could do with a fully fit McShane at full forward after a run of games and likewise Canavan properly bedded in and a role found for McKenna that maximises his considerable talent. This team can still be better.
My condolences to Mayo. Form guide was so limited that it was hard to be sure what to read into the semis. I did wonder were Dublin 2021 really not that great. Maybe not, but today did suggest Mayo were perhaps over rated on the back of that win. I wish Mayo all the best though and I hope their day comes very soon.
To everyone associated with Tyrone: congratulations :D
Coming into this game, I had a feeling of 2012 all over again. We beat reigning champions Dublin with a young team that year.
That 2012 final closed out pretty much like yesterdays game.
Not a dig at you Bunker but this is narrative by plenty about this current team before and after this final.
The average age of Mayo starting 15 yesterday was 27, only 3 are under 25. O'Donoghue, Conroy, Mullin.
Oisin Mullin has a few offers from AFL Clubs,he might not be around next year. Talks were put on hold under after the All Ireland
I hope this is just a one-off for Tyrone, a sequence of Sams would be an unbearable proposition.
I wouldn't begrudge them this deserved AI title but like all the rest of Ulster, would look forward to them being knocked off their perch next year.
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I think that Brolly article is on the ball. The fans deserve an explanation
Brolly best ignored. It seems like every text he receives is perfectly appropriate for that situation. What about the hundreds of texts and whatnot he gets that are wide of the mark. A great man for hindsight is Joe.
Funny how any of the teams who Tyrone have beat have all had bad games, been flat, didn't get the rub of the green, didn't get going, etc. The managers of these teams need to ignore that strain of commentary, realise that Tyrone were better, regroup and improve for next year. To say that you had a bad game is a dangerous thing. Looking forward to the 'new' versions of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Monaghan, Donegal next year. On cloud nine and proud of how these Tyrone players have conducted themselves. Morgan has given some very honest interviews. Great to finally put voices to the players! Big Kennedy did Derrylaughan proud!
Quote from: CK_Redhand on September 12, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
Brolly best ignored. It seems like every text he receives is perfectly appropriate for that situation. What about the hundreds of texts and whatnot he gets that are wide of the mark. A great man for hindsight is Joe.
Absolutely. He's a desperate attention seeker. Was finally kicked off RTE for a good reason.
Some scenes in Ballygawley and Omagh. They're going to Coalisland for 5.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on September 12, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
Brolly best ignored. It seems like every text he receives is perfectly appropriate for that situation. What about the hundreds of texts and whatnot he gets that are wide of the mark. A great man for hindsight is Joe.
Absolutely.
Mayo dethrone 6 in a row Dublin by 3, but sure it's just a fluke. Tyrone beat Kerry by 1, and it's miraculous? Aye, right Joe.
Funny how all his columns he knew the match was over before it even started. As for this culture bullshit... feck off joe ya gobshite.
Canavan seems a decent player. Not as good as his da, but was the Carrickmore thing meant as a joke or a belittling ? And he's never seen Canavan miss a goal chance? He missed one v Kerry. Or maybe that don't count because it ruins his argument.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Ridiculous statement about the curse.
I'm of a certain age and for the first forty years of my life the curse didn't exist, it's a modern invention, spurred aging by a headline grabbing media.
The veracity or otherwise of Mayo's "curse" doesn't matter. The truth is everybody in Mayo including the players and management now has a massive mental block from losing all these finals and that is going to be very difficult for them to overcome. The idea of winning an All-Ireland has taken on such an enormity that it sends brains haywire and turns legs to jelly. It weighs like a ton on them. That is a curse.
Dubs got slagged for years for getting caught up in the hype and getting carried away about how good they were. Gilroy and then Gavin got rid of all that. Being the capital city players can get away from the build up that players from counties like Mayo can't. They must get people constant recognizing them, bringing up the game and mentioning the curse. The senior players have lost so many finals now it has to have an impact on their psychology.
Dub hurlers were pushing in Leinster and couldn't make the breakthrough until Anthony Daly was appointed. He was a winner and brought a huge difference to the team's mentality. I wonder would Jim McGuinness get involved with Mayo.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
Tyrone were worthy winners. Shot selection/decision making/skill levels were piss piss poor form Mayo while Tyrone made their chances count.
What did Mayo work on in training all season. The pressure came on today and the Mayo forwards were embarrassingly bad . Didn't want to know and when pressure came on tonight.
Serious questions need to be asked of Horan and his mangement team. Shambolic is the only way to describe that Mayo performance and once again Aidan O'Shea scores nothing on All Ireland finals day when the pressure osoon
The dynamic between Horan and especially one of his management team younger fella black hair was bad during the match with Horan turning away in near disgust after the other fella had been very strongly putting points (or giving out). They destroy themselves. The thing is curses only work if you believe them and Mayo, in the back of their minds, clearly do believe that 'curse'.
Ridiculous statement about the curse.
I'm of a certain age and for the first forty years of my life the curse didn't exist, it's a modern invention, spurred aging by a headline grabbing media.
The veracity or otherwise of Mayo's "curse" doesn't matter. The truth is everybody in Mayo including the players and management now has a massive mental block from losing all these finals and that is going to be very difficult for them to overcome. The idea of winning an All-Ireland has taken on such an enormity that it sends brains haywire and turns legs to jelly. It weighs like a ton on them. That is a curse.
Dubs got slagged for years for getting caught up in the hype and getting carried away about how good they were. Gilroy and then Gavin got rid of all that. Being the capital city players can get away from the build up that players from counties like Mayo can't. They must get people constant recognizing them, bringing up the game and mentioning the curse. The senior players have lost so many finals now it has to have an impact on their psychology.
Dub hurlers were pushing in Leinster and couldn't make the breakthrough until Anthony Daly was appointed. He was a winner and brought a huge difference to the team's mentality. I wonder would Jim McGuinness get involved with Mayo.
Jim McGuinness as manager would get Mayo over the line I feel. It wouldn't be pretty but I don't think most Mayo fans would care about that.
McGuinness has almost got his soccer A licence I doubt if he'd just ditch the career change at this point without having had a proper go at managing on his own. I'd say he's more likely to pop up in the LOI than return to top end GAA management.
His first stint as a soccer manager didnt go well ?
https://www.the42.ie/jim-mcguinness-charlotte-indepedence-sacked-4679401-Jun2019/
Quote from: clarshack on September 12, 2021, 04:29:08 PM
Jim McGuinness as manager would get Mayo over the line I feel. It wouldn't be pretty but I don't think most Mayo fans would care about that.
Mayo would be hard pressed to play any more of a boring style than they do under Horan. Any sort of fluid and accurate passing is pushed aside in favour of just charging at the opposition and hoping for a soft free.
I'm not diminishing McGuinness's influence. He changed football forever. The belief he instilled in Donegal was exceptional. But after 8-9 years it really should have filtered through the masses that those tactics he brought to the game only work if you have at least 2 full forwards capable of both winning any/every type of ball presented to them, and taking scores from everywhere.
Mayo don't currently have those players. In fact, apart from Andy Moran, you'd need to dig through the history books to find any of them produced by the county.
They're (largely) a running team for a reason.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on September 12, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
Brolly best ignored. It seems like every text he receives is perfectly appropriate for that situation. What about the hundreds of texts and whatnot he gets that are wide of the mark. A great man for hindsight is Joe.
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The pattern is brutal.
Donegal and Tyrone won on the first go.
There is something wrong in Mayo.
Brolly says it's the culture
Why can't they execute ?
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
He overachived in his first period also. I do wonder where Mayo would be if he never became Mayo senior manager. I reckon closer to Galway in recent years than the consistently competitive outfit in the business end of the championship we have seen the last decade.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
I'd agree about Horan but it seems to be an unpopular opinion. A lot of people on social media seem more intent in piling on to him and O'Shea as the scapegoats. A combination of hindsight and anonymous accounts .
Tyrone were the last Ulster county to get the Sam account opened in 2003 and in the year of our Lord 2021 they are just 1 off Down and Cavan
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
Agree totally. With rare exceptions, AI champions get there because they have better players, every Tyrone player that played yesterday and several others in the squad have an exceptional skill set . Much as I want to see Mayo get over the line, they still lack the depth of quality in the final third required to win AI. O'donoghue and Conroy will get up to the level required, but they will need more than that. Several Tyrone attackers provided creative attacking quality when it counted. Mayo football ethos emphasises athleticism over flair . No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent. Athleticism alone can get u over most teams but when u get to AIF where athleticism is a given in both teams, it's going to take something special to win out. If Mayo want to persist with loading their attack with big athletes they'll never get over the line. Mcshane and matty Donnelly have been exceptional footballers in past few years, but ultimately the additional attacking flair of McKenna , Canavan and a revitalised mccurry was required to get them the AI.
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No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
Agree totally. With rare exceptions, AI champions get there because they have better players, every Tyrone player that played yesterday and several others in the squad have an exceptional skill set . Much as I want to see Mayo get over the line, they still lack the depth of quality in the final third required to win AI. O'donoghue and Conroy will get up to the level required, but they will need more than that. Several Tyrone attackers provided creative attacking quality when it counted. Mayo football ethos emphasises athleticism over flair . No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent. Athleticism alone can get u over most teams but when u get to AIF where athleticism is a given in both teams, it's going to take something special to win out. If Mayo want to persist with loading their attack with big athletes they'll never get over the line. Mcshane and matty Donnelly have been exceptional footballers in past few years, but ultimately the additional attacking flair of McKenna , Canavan and a revitalised mccurry was required to get them the AI.
That's some load of old codswallop !
Quote from: seafoid on September 12, 2021, 07:22:06 PM
Tyrone were the last Ulster county to get the Sam account opened in 2003 and in the year of our Lord 2021 they are just 1 off Down and Cavan
Maybe ask the Ernemen or the Saffrons on this...yet to open their account afaik
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
McGuinness has almost got his soccer A licence I doubt if he'd just ditch the career change at this point without having had a proper go at managing on his own. I'd say he's more likely to pop up in the LOI than return to top end GAA management.
People really do need to look at what McGuiness actually achieved with teams Irish, Scottish and Chinese (and how long he stayed with each job) then read carefully the pseudo philosophy and crypto psychology in his media articles and think carefully before hiring him.
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
As Sylvie observed, you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers
Horan's changes have to be questioned.
Dublin looked like a side waiting to be put out of their misery. Throwing kitchen sink at it is not a gameplan.
People on about genius in taking a o shea off in semi...he brought Conor o shea on in same game. Dublin under gavin win that game by 6.
Match ups & length of time guys who were overwhelmed were left on the last day is another question. Had Tyrone not had 3rd quarter jitters (sludden, mcshane free, Mckenna mark) when walking thru mayo it would have been worse.
Players didn't look mentally prepared & had no gameplan to fall back on. Contrast that with Tyrone.
Then take off O Hora who had the balls to run the gauntlet with intent & bring on 'needs his own Ball' Coen & Orme for his first taste?
Then blame players decision making & skills.
I don't agree with the O Shea bashing; what was his role tho? His confidence looked shook & he's been so good in so many games it's hard on him. When used inside for ten in first half he won frees...then he's out around half back line?
Horan vs Dooher/ Logan...that was the big match-up
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
I'd agree about Horan but it seems to be an unpopular opinion. A lot of people on social media seem more intent in piling on to him and O'Shea as the scapegoats. A combination of hindsight and anonymous accounts .
O'Shea was poor as he's been touted for years as one of Mayos main men but was very poor last 2 days out. Horan deserves serious praise for getting to 2 finals with almost a totally different team than 16 and 17. He also deserves criticism for some of the tactics and personnel decisions made. O'Shea should have been off.
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The good news for Mayo is that the graph is still pointing upwards. It won't have felt like it wading through the ankle-deep mud of another All-Ireland defeat but it bears pointing out all the same. They have been - and will continue to be - derided for falling short on Saturday night. But if nothing else, they have enough experience of these things to know how to separate the noise from the reality.
In each of the three seasons since James Horan returned, it has taken the All-Ireland champions to beat them in Croke Park. Along the way, Horan has completely reconfigured the playing staff. Seven of their starting team on Saturday have made their championship debut since 2019. Ditto four of the five subs. All of them have played in at least one All-Ireland final now and the majority of them have played in two.
Seen in that light, plenty of counties would love to be as badly off as Mayo. Whatever format the championship takes next year, they will still be among the top four teams. Counties striving to compete with them - your Donegals, your Monaghans, your Galways, your Armaghs, your Kildares - have nothing like their base of experience and development put together. If any of them could start 2022 where Mayo are, they'd be delighted.
But like Brad Pitt says in Moneyball, when you lose the last game of the season, nobody gives a *. Mayo started an All-Ireland final as favourites and finished it as flops. Quite why their failures seem to get so far up the noses of so many people is a mystery best left between the righteous and their therapists. For Mayo, there are far more important matters to interrogate now.
The consensus on Saturday night seemed to be that this was their worst final performance since the bad old days of 2006. Certainly, the fact that so many Mayo players left no real imprint on the biggest game of the year would put anyone in mind of those torchings from Kerry in the mid-2000s. It's one thing to have the experience of playing in a couple of finals. It's another to be on the pitch as they pass you by.
But where this final differs from back then is the fundamental truth that it wouldn't have taken very much for it to turn Mayo's way. For all that Tyrone were the better side with the more pointed gameplan and the smoother execution, the two teams created more or less the same amount of scoring chances. Tyrone made more of theirs. So Tyrone are champions.
Shotmap
Mayo took 31 shots across the game and scored 0-15. Tyrone took 28 shots and scored 2-14. None of Mayo's shots were from outlandish positions - the Armagh-based analyst Colin Trainor posted their shotmap online on Sunday morning and showed that no Mayo player tried a shot from play from outside the 45 or anywhere near the sidelines. They shot, in the main, from the places you're supposed to shoot from. They just shot really badly.
Conor Loftus missed 1-3 and had a nightmare all around. Tommy Conroy was busy and willing and always seemed to have the beating of Pádraig Hampsey but he also missed a brilliant goal chance when Mayo were rampant. Bryan Walsh got hassled out of one goal chance and tried to burst the net with another but blazed wide when a handy fisted point was the obvious option.
Even Ryan O'Donoghue, who was the one Mayo attacker who was clearly loving the stage all day, made a mess of his penalty by trying to be too clever with it. Granted, Niall Morgan definitely came off his line but that's a cop-out. A penalty in an All-Ireland final should be scored - you're too close to the goal to be forgiven a miss, especially when you're trying to pick out the top corner with it. Low and inside the post does it every time.
Is there a common thread to these misses? Possibly. It's no new insight to point out that Mayo's greatest strength can also be their most debilitating weakness. They thrive when the game is taken to that place where only they can live with the intensity. Turnovers, tackles, pouring forward like the 13th Infantry coming over the hill with bayonets drawn.
But too often on Saturday night, they looked to be trying too hard to force that emotional weight onto the game. All three misses listed above needed a more professional execution. Conroy had skinned Hampsey and looked to send Croker into orbit with his shot, so much so that he lashed at it and pulled it wide and didn't for a second consider Aidan O'Shea standing unmarked in the middle of the goal.
Walsh had been anonymous for much of the game and was like a boxer trying to get back into the fight by landing one massive haymaker, rather than jabbing away with a fisted point - or again, slipping to O'Shea in the centre of the goal. And as for O'Donoghue, it wasn't enough to score his penalty, he wanted to score one that people would purr over, a reminder to everyone that he had been a schoolboy soccer international once upon a time.
Cooler heads
Horan was quoted in the build-up as wanting to take the bull* out of Mayo football. His job now is to define for his players exactly what constitutes bull*. He most likely means all the extraneous stuff - the hype, the nonsense of the curse, all that jazz. But when he watches this final back, he will have to reckon with the fact that with cooler heads, Mayo would have scored more of the ample chances they created.
Horan also needs to either find a role in which O'Shea can prosper or end his torment once and for all. Along with Lee Keegan and Kevin McLoughlin, he has now played in seven All-Ireland final matches and never won and never scored. Worse, he has begun to look like a bad footballer, which he is not. His miss on 21 minutes was unforgivable, especially since McLoughlin had created a screen to give him the yard of space on his good foot on the edge of the D to swing over a regulation point.
At 31, it has long been obvious that he isn't an inside forward. But it can't be beyond the wit of the Mayo management to find a job for someone with his physical gifts, his handling, his passing and his fielding ability.
There must be personal responsibility on O'Shea's side too - not for the first time, he has played badly in the biggest game of the year. He has to properly and honestly face up to why this happens.
That can be said of Mayo in general too, of course.
Nothing new there.
Watched it today. Thought it was a good entertaining game for the neutral. Tyrones unheralded midfield really impressed me, Kennedy and Kilpatrick. Great tackling and fielding by the whole team and they were able to switch up their style of play which is crucial in today's game but so few teams seem to be able to do it well. Well done to Brian and Feargal. They did some job in changing that team around from the league hammering against Kerry.
Mayo could have won it too but those missed goal chances, especially in the start of the second half you could see the writing was on the wall. I don't think Mayo were as bad a people are saying but they need another way of playing and attacking. Aiden O'Shea was again not in his best position I feel, needed to be at 11 to help secure midfield, link play and create pressure high up the field when Tyrone have possession.
Tyrone could be double contenders but Ulster is always minefield.
To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
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No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.
In the final anyway
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Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Heaney Cassidy Barton : all 6 quality forwards.
That Derry team would have one at least two only for meeting a Down team in first round who won the all-ireland that year pulling up.
You don't win an all-ireland without quality productive attackers. Dublin won last 6 on that basis . Tyrone's forwards yesterday were all productive , to think that they took off mattie Donnelly one of the best footballers in ireland over past 10 years , and didn't weaken . Much as people focus on Mayo , Tyrone were superb yesterday , and they set the standard for the rest of us
Congratulations to Tyrone. Best team in Ireland. They won Ulster, the hardest Championship there is to win, they beat Kerry (again) and they beat last year's finalists and this year's favourites.
Judging from afar and confessing I might be missing all manner of stuff that would be known to Tyrone people themselves, I think Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher are due a huge amount of credit for this win. Mickey Harte's were big boots to fill and fill them they did. I know they had a few close squeaks in Ulster but nothing is easy in Ulster. Against Kerry and against Mayo Logan and Dooher out-generalled the opposition and well done to them.
As for Mayo, I see a lot of "where do Mayo go from here?" articles in the papers. Well, back into the pot for the 2022 Championship is the answer there. Where else can they go? Maybe some older players will retire, maybe some will carry on, maybe some will be dropped. Some newer players will be better than what went before, some will be worse, some will be about the same. Maybe there'll be a change on the sideline, maybe there won't. There's a long winter to figure all that out. The chief thing I'd be hoping is that crowds will be able to go to games again. The past two years have been a pain in the ass.
Finally, in the context of this thread, a tip of the cap to Seafóid for his erudite Procrustean reference, and to whichever Tyrone poster came up with the Tyronavirus. Top class work. Up Mayo.
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
Agree totally. With rare exceptions, AI champions get there because they have better players, every Tyrone player that played yesterday and several others in the squad have an exceptional skill set . Much as I want to see Mayo get over the line, they still lack the depth of quality in the final third required to win AI. O'donoghue and Conroy will get up to the level required, but they will need more than that. Several Tyrone attackers provided creative attacking quality when it counted. Mayo football ethos emphasises athleticism over flair . No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent. Athleticism alone can get u over most teams but when u get to AIF where athleticism is a given in both teams, it's going to take something special to win out. If Mayo want to persist with loading their attack with big athletes they'll never get over the line. Mcshane and matty Donnelly have been exceptional footballers in past few years, but ultimately the additional attacking flair of McKenna , Canavan and a revitalised mccurry was required to get them the AI.
That's some load of old codswallop !
Insightful intelligent response , I want Mayo to win an AI but Groundhog Day , not enough quality forwards. They need to address that or they'll never win one
Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2021, 10:53:20 PM
To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
In fairness , Mayo were poor enough yesterday.
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
As Sylvie observed, you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers
Not so. Galway 98-01 were nearly as pure a footballing side as you'd get. Sure, they'd men that could mind themselves, but never cynical or robustly physical.
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No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Heaney Cassidy Barton : all 6 quality forwards.
That Derry team would have one at least two only for meeting a Down team in first round who won the all-ireland that year pulling up.
You don't win an all-ireland without quality productive attackers. Dublin won last 6 on that basis . Tyrone's forwards yesterday were all productive , to think that they took off mattie Donnelly one of the best footballers in ireland over past 10 years , and didn't weaken . Much as people focus on Mayo , Tyrone were superb yesterday , and they set the standard for the rest of us
Derry's front six weren't six quality forwards by All-Ireland winning standards. Gormley was the only one who was All-Ireland standard as an all round forward including score taking.
Derry won because they had superior fitness and tactics to Cork, superior work rate, and a brilliant platform from midfield and half back.
Not because of their forwards.
The Cork team that day had superior forward class in Colin Corkery, Joe Kavanagh, Mick McCarthy and John O'Driscoll.
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All the experts who never won a thing on here slagging AOS. Wise up. He is what he is, has good days and bad days. Twice the player almost every person on this board ever was.
Very true. Measured by his All -Ireland medals.
Bullshit. If he was a Dublin player under Jim Gavin he'd have dropped him. He's a great fielder but in all his years he's never worked on the other parts of his game.
He's actually unlucky he never had Jim Gavin as his manager. He wouldn't accept his poor football/shooting skills and he'd have made him work on them or he'd have dropped him from the panel.
How can a lad who's been playing inter county football for so many seasons gave such poor football skills
He sort of reminds me of someone who at underage had a massive physical advantage over everyone else but once they get to senior level the balance swings against them and they can get found out for lack of skill
Exactly
I just saw a clip of that Donegal buck making gestures during the presentation ceremony yesterday
Lifetime ban from Croke Park would be a good start
Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2021, 10:53:20 PM
To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"
Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
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Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
As Sylvie observed, you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers
Not so. Galway 98-01 were nearly as pure a footballing side as you'd get. Sure, they'd men that could mind themselves, but never cynical or robustly physical.
Maybe that was an exception
There is a lot of violence in GF.
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
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Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Why would Mayo be looking to get rid of Horan anyway, if anything he has overachieved with a team in transition.
Odd that runners up often get more criticism than the 30 counties they finished ahead of.
As do Galway hurlers. What's seldom mentioned is the effort it took to get them there in the first place.
There's no secret to it. You'll win AIs if you have enough good players and if you can minimise the damage done on your weak links. Finding that sweet spot is key.
As Sylvie observed, you'll.win nothing if you don't have a few tinkers
Very poor post
Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2021, 10:53:28 PM
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.
In the final anyway
I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.
Congrats to Tyrone on a great win.
The big thing I'll take from the semi-final and final is that Tyrone won't beat themselves.
That's a great start when discussing a team. Stay cool and do what you can...no need to try the impossible.
Be calm - over the two games this was best shown by Peter Harte who always looked comfortable and in the right place at the right time. Not sure if that can be coached.
Well done Tyrone, Brilliant all year, best team won it outright.
No comment on Mayo.
Some points from the game Saturday
Mullen not Rob Hennelly was at fault for McShanes goal.
Aidan O Se is too big & has zero mobility, S&C a major issue here.
Horans decision making during a game is poor, otherwise he is good, but can't think on his feet.
Mayo players should lose the tabloid craving image, even the daft pink boots.
Some of their supporters now look daft counting their chickens before they hatch, free coffee etc.
Left footed free taker from the right hand side of the pitch.
Need to get someone to work on their heads for an All Ireland final.
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Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.
In the final anyway
I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship)
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Quote from: 6th sam on September 12, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
No county has won AI without exceptional attAcking talent.
Derry 1993.
Brolly, Gormley, Seamus Downey.
Brolly 0-1, Downey 1-0, Gormley must've got 0-5 or 0-6. The half forwards didn't score. Not prolific by any means.
In the final anyway
I think brolly got 0.2 in the final but he scored 0.5 in the semifinal v Dublin. Derry not only had a balanced forward line but also had at least 2 great forwards on the bench in dermot mcnicholl and eamon burns. At that time short kickouts were unheard of so that's why Derry had barton and heaney in the half forward line. Both of them could easily have played midfield on most county teams and were great ball winners from kickouts.
Brolly only scored 0-5 throughout the '93 C'ship - 0-3 v Monaghan (sub) 0-1 v Dublin and 0-1 v Cork. Cassidy was probably Derry's best forward in the Ulster Champ, but didn't really perform to the best of his ability in the AI series.
Back to the 2021 AI Final. Tyrone were just to good for a Mayo side that didn't take any of their goal chances. Even if they had, you could sense that Tyrone would still have come out on top. Logan/Dooher got the best of Horan.
Tyrone made subs at the right time and the right men were taken off. Mickey Harte's old rule of get a yellow card, get taken off has stopped. Mayo throwing a man on deep into stoppage time was bizarre, as was O'Donoghue opting for a point with the last free.Not much difference getting beat 5 or 6pts.
O'Shea wasn't at the races at all, won both throw-ins, but a passenger after that. Didn't seem match fit. At one point in the second half (around the Tyrone 21yd line, as Tyrone were trying to pass the ball out of defence) he pointed at a teammate to pick up his man who was running away (towards the Tyrone goal) from him and he was gonna pick up the Tyrone man who was just walking/jogging out in his general direction.
Tyrone have a few lads in the 30+ bracket. Plenty in the 25-27 bracket and the likes of Canavan in their early 20's. Question is who gets dropped for McShane and Canavan starting next year?? Of the forwards, McKenna, McCurry, Donnelly, Meyler and Sludden are all there on merit. O'Neill might be under pressure to hang on to his place.
I think Ball Hopper summed it up very well - Tyrone wont beat themselves.
We were much more composed throughout the game - especially in front of the posts.
Some of the Mayo shooting/decision making was a shambles.
Our midfield was immense as was Morgan, Harte & Myler.
Sludden made a fantastic save on the line which reminded me of the workrate Dublin forwards show.
Special mention to Logan & Dooher - they trusted the lads to play the game
Thought Tyrone were so comfortable in possession. Each one of the full back line and half backs looked so composed with ball in hand, able to side step and glide past their opposite number. Never looked rattled at any stage in the game. Not sure what Meyler needs to do to get a MOTM award, thought he was outstanding again and player of the year for me. Always available for the pass and so hard to take the ball from. Great pass for the McShane goal and even better vision for Canavan's chance. Morgan after a blip at the start was excellent. A clear tactic to bomb the restarts down the middle and let them battle for it. I suppose when you have a weapon like that, why not use it. Scored with the free kicks and done all that was asked of him. Some pass to McKenna for McCurry's goal chance. Peter Harte probably had his best year in a Tyrone jersey and couldn't be happier for him. He takes some grief from supporters but the lad is quality and such a civil fella. Deserves all the praise he gets.
You can talk about attitude and tactics but the most pleasing thing for me was how good the players were in possession. The skill levels with the ball and some of the kick passing were top drawer. Was it McKernan that kicked the ball 50 yards to Hampsey from under the Hogan Stand side of the field? Hampsey didn't have to break stride to collect the pass. After the first 10 minutes and when Tyrone settled, you just didn't feel that they would loose that game. Even if Mayo had scored from the penalty, Tyrone you feel would have still pushed on.
Tyrone did have plenty of good breaks during the year but can't argue that they were not the best team in this year's championship. Some achievement from that buch of players. Well deserved.
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
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Some points from the game Saturday
Mullen not Rob Hennelly was at fault for McShanes goal.
Aidan O Se is too big & has zero mobility, S&C a major issue here.
Horans decision making during a game is poor, otherwise he is good, but can't think on his feet.
Mayo players should lose the tabloid craving image, even the daft pink boots.
Some of their supporters now look daft counting their chickens before they hatch, free coffee etc.
Left footed free taker from the right hand side of the pitch.
Need to get someone to work on their heads for an All Ireland final.
Mullen took a gamble in marking McShane from the front and lost but Hennelly got caught in no mans land. Once he made the decision to come off his line he should have took ball man the whole lot.
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No more excuses please from football's great time wasters
Joe Brolly
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The game was finally over in the 25th minute. Aidan O'Shea was presented with the easiest goal chance I have seen in a final.
Hyperbole much?
Between those scored and those missed, it wasn't even in the top 3 easiest goal chances on Saturday.
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
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Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
That's something that cannot be underestimated. The impact of the Troubles on the Ulster counties was immeasurable (I include Monaghan and Donegal in that as they were very directly impacted upon due to proximity and you could throw Louth in also. Cavan less so). The start of the 90's saw a massive change in mentality. Even though there was still a war going on there was a real self belief building within the northern GAA. No more were we going to be talked down or held back by what was going on on our doorstep. The wins from 91-94 were a platform to build on. Tyrone should have won in 95. Could have won in 96. We weren't far off in 99 but on the other side of it during that time my team was dominating the club scene which was helping to grow the confidence. It's no coincidence that since the turn of the 90's and the ceasefire Ulster teams have pushed on, 10 county AI wins and 9 club wins. Prior to that, 3 county wins and 3 club wins.
This Tyrone team has 2-3 AIs in them. Donegal if they got their shit together could push hard, Armagh and Monaghan not a million miles off. Now that the Dublin train has been stopped there is a belief in other counties that it can be done. Why not us now people should be asking?
Some thoughts following the game.
Some mayo fans need to dial down the expectation, business doing free coffees as they expected to win, fans saying tyrone are in for a tanking etc.
Never have and never will understand the hype around AOS. Fails to deliver on every big occasion.
Mcquillan again done tyrone no favours. Mayo 1st point should have been a free out, never seen a more obvious example of a player charging, ohora should have been black carded, AOS should have been black carded on 68 min as he took out mckernan who was running past him, Mcquillan was in full view. The penalty should have been a free out for a square ball then for a mayo player pushing a tyrone player in the back.
Those sorts of call could have costed tyrone, thankfully it didn't.
Overall tyrone were more composed and should have scored more.
Mayo need to drop AOS and get new management in.
Quote from: tiempo on September 13, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
Boylesports odds 2022
Dublin 11/8
Kerry 13/8
Mayo 13/2
Tyrone 10/1
I think the general consensus is that the jury is still out on the merit of this Tyrone team but I didn't think they would be quite that far down the pecking order.
As a begrudging Derry man.....hats off to Tyrone. Absolutely deserved it both on the pitch and on the line.
Midfield is the single biggest improvement in this team since the new management came in. That Kilpatrick lad in particular I though was brilliant.
Defensively mature, potent in attack and an unshakeable belief. You have to give to them, worthy winners.
A special mention to Peter Harte too, I thought over the last couple of years he was finished. But he has really stood out this year and whether it's new management or what ever the reason was, he was a real asset in both the SF an final.
Whilst a feel sorry for Mayo, they really need to get over themselves too. The number of missed chances, too much loyalty to certain players who are quite obviously passed it and a lack of depth on the bench. They can't have any complaints about the result. It feels like they need a fresh management team in to progress, though in saying that it's a relatively young team.
I think with the forward line at their disposal and the emergence of a strong MF, Tyrone are going to be there or thereabouts for a while to come.
We'll probably get drew against them in the first round of Ulster next year!
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 13, 2021, 02:04:13 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2021, 10:53:20 PM
To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"
Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
Or sometimes teams actually do beat themselves and lose a game they should have won hands down. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two big championship games in recent years where Tyrone beat themselves rather than have the opposition do it for them - 2010 against Dublin and 2016 against Mayo. They should have had both of those in their pockets and conspired to throw them away with ridiculous profligacy. That's what Mayo did on Saturday.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2021, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 13, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
Boylesports odds 2022
Dublin 11/8
Kerry 13/8
Mayo 13/2
Tyrone 10/1
I think the general consensus is that the jury is still out on the merit of this Tyrone team but I didn't think they would be quite that far down the pecking order.
It's mad to think kerry are far better favourites than tyrone. However I think normal service will resume next year with Dublin back as strong as ever. Nothing much has changed, they still receive majority of the funding, population is still there, talent pool and set up is still there. I expect dublin to win 4-5 of the AIs until to 2030.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 13, 2021, 10:48:33 AM
We'll probably get drew against them in the first round of Ulster next year!
Cute Derry hoor, I still have mental scars from 2006 when you came to Healy Park!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
The flip side of the psychology of losing is that there is a way to win. Tyrone's mantra was "no goals"
There is no reason why Mayo couldn't learn it.
There is also the element of luck. Mayo never got to play Kildare during the run of 11 losses since 89
Quote from: tiempo on September 13, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/goalposts-smeared-with-excrement-in-newtownabbey-before-young-gaa-players-due-on-the-pitch-40842959.html
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 13, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2021, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 13, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
Boylesports odds 2022
Dublin 11/8
Kerry 13/8
Mayo 13/2
Tyrone 10/1
I think the general consensus is that the jury is still out on the merit of this Tyrone team but I didn't think they would be quite that far down the pecking order.
It's mad to think kerry are far better favourites than tyrone. However I think normal service will resume next year with Dublin back as strong as ever. Nothing much has changed, they still receive majority of the funding, population is still there, talent pool and set up is still there. I expect dublin to win 4-5 of the AIs until to 2030.
A lot has changed with Dublin.
Cluxton and Gavin are gone. A gifted generation of players has largely moved on and the hangers on from that generation have little time left. The 2011 minor generation who are now or should be the core of the team will all be 29 next year and what's replacing what's leaving is a serious downgrade.
The new manager is not nearly as good.
Dublin are just another contender now and other teams should not fear them.
O'Connor was an absolutely huge loss to Mayo - it cannot be under estimated.
Mayo needed a leader up front - someone who could bring the game to us with an element of nastiness as well as guaranteed scores.
I would hazard to say our defenders couldnt believe how toothless the Mayo attack was on Saturday
Before the start of the year if you'd said that Mayo starting 15 would go into the final as favourites people from Mayo would have thought you were crazy but that was the reality. In fairness everyone I met from either county was very confident and expected to win.
Both teams created a similar amount of chances but Tyrone certainly have more forwards who carry more of a threat inside the 45. 0-1 between 4 forwards is not good enough.
I reckon Horan would tell you his midfield pairing will score more then any other but they were dreadful, Loftus in particular missed so many chances that you'd expect him to score.
Mayo give away too many goal chances, that's always been the case under Horan and that's not going to change now. Their always going to have to hit around 20 points to win an All Ireland with the Dublin game been an anomaly. Talent wise their not that far away but you'd have to wonder what lasting affects this defeat will have.
Credit to Tyrone, they played at the level I expected them too and were deserved winners. Players like McGeary, Meyler and McCurry have really surprised me this year; Miles better players then I thought they were.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
It's a fatalism complex, what can go wrong will go wrong, it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy. Winning All-Irelands is put on such a pedestal that it becomes paralysing.
Armagh 1999-2006 had it too. If you go through those years, it showed up again and again.
1999, they froze against Meath when in a great position and collapsed.
2000, they gave away a stupid free to cost themselves a win in the drawn semi-final against Kerry. In the replay, they fell back into defence when in a great position.
2001, they had a systematic underperformance against Galway, somehow got themselves level, and then threw it away by stupidly getting blocked down.
In 2002 they won in spite of themselves. They collapsed against Sligo and should have been buried, even in the replay against Sligo they fell over the line. In the semi against Dublin they were the better team but did exactly what they did against Kerry in 2000, gave away a soft free to equalise the game right at the end - but whereas Kerry had Maurice Fitzgerald, Dublin had Ray Cosgrove.
In the final they were the better team, but still missed a penalty and gave Kerry the chance to get a draw out of it at the end. They hung on in spite of themselves.
2002 should have been the end of Armagh's fatalism complex, but it wasn't.
In 2003 they systematically underperformed in the final.
In 2004 they lost a game they should have been winning 100 times out of 100 with a systematic underperformance.
In 2005 they let it slip against Tyrone from a winning position.
In 2006 they handed Kerry the clinching goal in a game they were still very much in, with a terrible defensive mistake.
Quote from: Taylor on September 13, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
O'Connor was an absolutely huge loss to Mayo - it cannot be under estimated.
Mayo needed a leader up front - someone who could bring the game to us with an element of nastiness as well as guaranteed scores.
I would hazard to say our defenders couldnt believe how toothless the Mayo attack was on Saturday
Agreed. Conroy seemed to have the beating of Hampsey everytime but it largely just didn't happen for him. If they get O'Connor and McLaughlin back for next year and get O'Shea off the pitch they'll have as good a chance as anyone next year. O'Connor playing instead of O'Shea on Saturday and Mayo would have put up a far better score although whether Tyrone would have matched that we'll never know.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2021, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
It's a fatalism complex, what can go wrong will go wrong, it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy. Winning All-Irelands is put on such a pedestal that it becomes paralysing.
Armagh 1999-2006 had it too. If you go through those years, it showed up again and again.
1999, they froze against Meath when in a great position and collapsed.
2000, they gave away a stupid free to cost themselves a win in the drawn semi-final against Kerry. In the replay, they fell back into defence when in a great position.
2001, they had a systematic underperformance against Galway, somehow got themselves level, and then threw it away by stupidly getting blocked down.
In 2002 they won in spite of themselves. They collapsed against Sligo and should have been buried, even in the replay against Sligo they fell over the line. In the semi against Dublin they were the better team but did exactly what they did against Kerry in 2000, gave away a soft free to equalise the game right at the end - but whereas Kerry had Maurice Fitzgerald, Dublin had Ray Cosgrove.
In the final they were the better team, but still missed a penalty and gave Kerry the chance to get a draw out of it at the end. They hung on in spite of themselves.
2002 should have been the end of Armagh's fatalism complex, but it wasn't.
In 2003 they systematically underperformed in the final.
In 2004 they lost a game they should have been winning 100 times out of 100 with a systematic underperformance.
In 2005 they let it slip against Tyrone from a winning position.
In 2006 they handed Kerry the clinching goal in a game they were still very much in, with a terrible defensive mistake.
Agreed. Thanks for digging up old scars ffs. The only consolation is that we did get that one win. Should have had at the very least one more, if not another 2 or 3.
A few comments mentioning Tyrone players being better than people thought. I think a lot of this is down to management trust. In the past mccurry would have been off after 20 minutes against Kerry. Management now know to stick with the plan and the players will deliver. Even in the final mckenna was playing poorly but produced a moment of magic for the goal. Also decision making has improved. Maybe because they have lost a bit of fear, not looking over their shoulder at the line to see who is warming up to replace them.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on September 13, 2021, 11:35:01 AM
A few comments mentioning Tyrone players being better than people thought. I think a lot of this is down to management trust. In the past mccurry would have been off after 20 minutes against Kerry. Management now know to stick with the plan and the players will deliver. Even in the final mckenna was playing poorly but produced a moment of magic for the goal. Also decision making has improved. Maybe because they have lost a bit of fear, not looking over their shoulder at the line to see who is warming up to replace them.
McKenna apart from the goal was woeful on the ball, got so much wrong. Would imagine his ability to run and the hope and that he'd produce one moment of magic kept him on which turned to be the case.
Spot on regarding the management, had full belief in the plan and never waivered from it. They knew all day long their was a goal on from the long kickouts. They've done an outstanding job that nobody saw coming.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 13, 2021, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2021, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
It's a fatalism complex, what can go wrong will go wrong, it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy. Winning All-Irelands is put on such a pedestal that it becomes paralysing.
Armagh 1999-2006 had it too. If you go through those years, it showed up again and again.
1999, they froze against Meath when in a great position and collapsed.
2000, they gave away a stupid free to cost themselves a win in the drawn semi-final against Kerry. In the replay, they fell back into defence when in a great position.
2001, they had a systematic underperformance against Galway, somehow got themselves level, and then threw it away by stupidly getting blocked down.
In 2002 they won in spite of themselves. They collapsed against Sligo and should have been buried, even in the replay against Sligo they fell over the line. In the semi against Dublin they were the better team but did exactly what they did against Kerry in 2000, gave away a soft free to equalise the game right at the end - but whereas Kerry had Maurice Fitzgerald, Dublin had Ray Cosgrove.
In the final they were the better team, but still missed a penalty and gave Kerry the chance to get a draw out of it at the end. They hung on in spite of themselves.
2002 should have been the end of Armagh's fatalism complex, but it wasn't.
In 2003 they systematically underperformed in the final.
In 2004 they lost a game they should have been winning 100 times out of 100 with a systematic underperformance.
In 2005 they let it slip against Tyrone from a winning position.
In 2006 they handed Kerry the clinching goal in a game they were still very much in, with a terrible defensive mistake.
Agreed. Thanks for digging up old scars ffs. The only consolation is that we did get that one win. Should have had at the very least one more, if not another 2 or 3.
I also agree. If Conor Gormley doesn't make that block in 2003 and we win back to back then we win another 2-3. Gormley makes the block, Tyrone win and a beast is created.
Various bits from the Irish Times
Ten of the players Tyrone used against Mayo had been beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2018. Back then, it looked like Jim Gavin was building a forever empire and the idea that Tyrone – risk-averse, massed defence, one-man-up Tyrone – would be the ones to finally bring the Dubs' All-Ireland streak to an end would have seemed preposterous.
But they did it.
"The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
Harte is a nephew of Mickey Harte, the manager of Tyrone's first three All-Ireland wins. He is also a son-in-law of Peter Canavan, the county's most celebrated Gaelic football player. He is immersed in a culture of All-Ireland winning know-how.
"No goals, no goals! That was the big thing," says Logan when asked what went through his mind as the clock ran down.
"There does come a tipping point in the line when you think 'you know what, we might be home,' but then you're even afraid to think that, because we've all had our shocks in football matches. So no goals was the big thing, and just who was out on their feet, and had we anybody left to put in.
"So essentially that, and the same principles apply to all matches."
Tyrone stretched their lead in every quarter. They had greater composure on the ball and without it.
Mayo had possession and won the battle of the restarts - as did Kerry in the semi-final - but they struggled to execute what chances they created. In fact they did at times what former captain Andy Moran had warned about, running the ball at the Tyrone defence and into trouble.
Aidan O'Shea saw a good bit of ball but often didn't have the option of support attackers running off him and was fairly quickly shut down and rendered ineffective. The great Mayo conundrum of how best to deploy him isn't getting any easier to solve.
Tyrone stretched their lead in every quarter. They had greater composure on the ball and without it.
Mayo had possession and won the battle of the restarts - as did Kerry in the semi-final - but they struggled to execute what chances they created. In fact they did at times what former captain Andy Moran had warned about, running the ball at the Tyrone defence and into trouble.
Mayo had nearly the same number of turnovers and some smart tackling and dispossessions - Pádraig O'Hora's hand in on Mattie Donnelly 10 minutes into the second half for instance - but they had nothing like the same intensity on the ball.
Tyrone's tackle count dwarfed their opponent's - by more than two to one or according to Sky Sports statistics three to one.
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: tiempo on September 13, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
Horan should watch Groundhog day
https://youtu.be/GncQtURdcE4
I would be pissed off to be passed out on the roll of honour.
Tyrone didn't have an arse on their trousers in 1951
Now they are purring.
I wonder how many AI's Kerry and Dublin would have if 50%+ of their population was of an ingrained anti-Irish disposition and therefore not taking part in games, while the GAA fraternity of the day were on the defensive against a brutal regime intent on wiping out any semblance of Irish culture.
In another era Padraig Hampsey and any number of lads could have been caught up in the horrors of conflict and war. It makes the team getting to the 86 final so remarkable, Down's achievements of the 60s were off the scale in this context, and Crossmaglen too in the 90s noughties.
Continued political change in the north and integration of the wider populous in playing the games will only strengthen Tyrone's position going forward; 9/1 with the bookies to retain the title next year suggests they see this title as a flash in the pan, I'd suggest its the emerging of a powerhouse. At the present time Tyrone should be looking at 2-3 AI's per decade. Basically replicate Mayo's frequency of getting to the final but not shit the bed every time.
Nice to be team of the decade 2 out of 3 so far since the turn of the millennium ;)
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/goalposts-smeared-with-excrement-in-newtownabbey-before-young-gaa-players-due-on-the-pitch-40842959.html
That's the club I'm involved with these days. Had stuff stolen over the summer and put on bonfires too in loyalist areas. The problems still exist and I know from direct experience that it is institutional on so many levels but we still go out on the pitch, we still fill the fields with kids at the weekend, we keep the heart still beating and we will continue to. This club is in the heartland of a loyalist are that had to close down due to the Troubles. I was a very proud (and a very sore) man when we put a team out for the championship this year for the first time in 50 odd years.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
Interesting but also surely that is too simplistic given that at that point in time Mayo would not have had anywhere near the same level of fatalism attached to them.. How did that even manifest itself, did the Mayo player break down after being sledged about losing All Ireland finals?
I don't believe in any of the curse nonsense. When that last sole survivor passes away Mayo will still have to overcome the mental barrier of winning an AI final.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
Interesting but also surely that is too simplistic given that at that point in time Mayo would not have had anywhere near the same level of fatalism attached to them.. How did that even manifest itself, did the Mayo player break down after being sledged about losing All Ireland finals?
I don't believe in any of the curse nonsense. When that last sole survivor passes away Mayo will still have to overcome the mental barrier of winning an AI final.
Said player had been dominating the kick outs and play in general. He reacted to what was said to him and lost his focus on the game and we went on to push on for the win. At that time they had been in a few AIs and had shit themselves when they should have won. There was the talk at the time about the curse and whether or not they were doomed. He choked and his team choked.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2021, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 13, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
Interesting but also surely that is too simplistic given that at that point in time Mayo would not have had anywhere near the same level of fatalism attached to them.. How did that even manifest itself, did the Mayo player break down after being sledged about losing All Ireland finals?
I don't believe in any of the curse nonsense. When that last sole survivor passes away Mayo will still have to overcome the mental barrier of winning an AI final.
Said player had been dominating the kick outs and play in general. He reacted to what was said to him and lost his focus on the game and we went on to push on for the win. At that time they had been in a few AIs and had shit themselves when they should have won. There was the talk at the time about the curse and whether or not they were doomed. He choked and his team choked.
I'm sure there is a certain psychology involved at this stage, the mental baggage is too much for there not to be some level of doubt. Conversely for the opposition there must be some level of psychological boost in facing Mayo in an AI final knowing their history. But a curse, no I don't buy into that. They will still have to overcome the same mental barrier after the last remaining survivor from 1951 passes away.
The curse is nonsense but losing 11 finals in 30 years is the real curse and it weighs down heavily on everyone in Mayo, its not going to be easy to shake off. Think they've always taken something from losing to Dublin as they arguably the greatest team of all time but losing to Tyrone is different. There's no positives at all.
Not quoting @yellowcard as the thing will get too long but I agree with you to a point. I don't believe there is a 'curse' but I believe that subconsciously the fatalism of it all plays on the players minds and the supporters. Once the man dies this 'curse' is gone. There is no 'excuse' then and the media will stop talking about it. The real 'curse' then needs to be broken, the curse of not truly believing you are good enough. That's the curse of losing so many finals. That will be very hard to overcome
Was this against Ballina BC?
Horan has to take a lot of the responsibility for that Mayo performance on Saturday. Firstly a manager needs to change your the tactics somewhat throw in a curveball to keep opposition guessing but it was the same high press which was totally ineffective leaving the defence exposed and man on man with, the Tyrone forwards. Tyrone exploited this with long kickouts and long passes into full forward line. The 2 goals came from this tactic as well as the goal chance in first half. A huge part of preparation for a game nowadays is analysis of opposition- if you use same tactics every game the opposition will come up with a plan to take advantage of it. Horan is very rigid in his tactics and it is not helping the team.
Anyone notice Mcdonald was not on the sideline for the second half. He was up with the subs in the stand. Was there a disagreement between Mcdonald and Horan during the game.
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To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"
Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
Or sometimes teams actually do beat themselves and lose a game they should have won hands down. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two big championship games in recent years where Tyrone beat themselves rather than have the opposition do it for them - 2010 against Dublin and 2016 against Mayo. They should have had both of those in their pockets and conspired to throw them away with ridiculous profligacy. That's what Mayo did on Saturday.
Don't agree that Mayo beat themselves on Saturday, in the sense that (bar the very early stages), they were never dominant or ahead in the match and contrived to throw away a good lead. Sure, they missed chances they should have taken, but that's no guarantee it would have swung the momentum back their way.
I always have a bit of a blindspot towards Tyrone in that I never rate them too highly; they really rode their luck in the semis against a Kerry team that showed more accuracy in shooting their feet instead of at the posts and I don't think they've ever mounted a great defence the following season when champions. Also, they got lucky off the breaks in the first half with the long kickouts and the first goal was really poor goalkeeping. However, not rating them is my failing, not theirs. Defensively, they gave an enviable masterclass on Saturday. I guess their longer odds for next year is more a reflection of the (presumably) longer, tougher route through Ulster they face than anything else.
Fatalism is a feature of teams in all sports.
Schalke will always lose to Bayern.
But on the other hand psychologically dominant teams can weaken.
https://youtu.be/fG5ktdCndpU
Or else Mayo can beat an even weaker team in a final.
Difference between the teams was the goalkeepers; Morgan was superb, 2 pts from 45s, an effective extra man coming forward, long raking kick-outs, one of which yielded a goal directly, a good save and psyching out Mayo for the penalty (tho he was well out of his goal, thought it might have been re-taken). Rob Hennelly, by contrast, was steady, made a few good saves, but was less comfortable coming forward, missed 2 45s and might have attacked the ball for McShane's goal.
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Was this against Ballina BC?
'Twas
Lovely story , well told.
I remember Ballina winning the Club Football All Ireland a few years ago , also other teams from Mayo like Crossmolina winning it.
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Was this against Ballina BC?
'Twas
Lovely story , well told.
I remember Ballina winning the Club Football All Ireland a few years ago , also other teams from Mayo like Crossmolina winning it.
They did. 2005 Ballina beat Portlaoise in the final. Portlaoise beat us in the semi, definitely one we left behind, but there was a lot of talk of them possibly getting the chance to get one back at us from 99. They should have beaten us that year. Not all Mayo teams have choked at the AI but most have. Knockmore were hit favourites against us in 1997 after their demolition of Eire Og in the semi and they had a star studded forward line but we steamrolled them.
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 13, 2021, 10:45:46 AM
Some thoughts following the game.
Some mayo fans need to dial down the expectation, business doing free coffees as they expected to win, fans saying tyrone are in for a tanking etc.
Never have and never will understand the hype around AOS. Fails to deliver on every big occasion.
Mcquillan again done tyrone no favours. Mayo 1st point should have been a free out, never seen a more obvious example of a player charging, ohora should have been black carded, AOS should have been black carded on 68 min as he took out mckernan who was running past him, Mcquillan was in full view. The penalty should have been a free out for a square ball then for a mayo player pushing a tyrone player in the back.
Those sorts of call could have costed tyrone, thankfully it didn't.
Overall tyrone were more composed and should have scored more.
Mayo need to drop AOS and get new management in.
First point was no free, he looked as if he lost his balance,head went down and the Tyrone defender enabled him to stay on his feet, there was no complaints from any Tyrone players at the time..
He could have given a penalty depending on who he thought fouled the Mayo lad at the end of the first half, McGeary or Harte fouled him, McGeary outside the box and Hartes contact was inside the box. McGeary should have got a yellow as it it was a goal chance opportunity and he'd been noted just before that tackle.
Burns took the player down before the penalty, could have been black. watch the penalty again, both players outside the box and he picked the ball clean up, no issues there as for O'Shea's black, behave shoulder to shoulder
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Quote from: tyrone08 on September 13, 2021, 10:45:46 AM
Some thoughts following the game.
Some mayo fans need to dial down the expectation, business doing free coffees as they expected to win, fans saying tyrone are in for a tanking etc.
Never have and never will understand the hype around AOS. Fails to deliver on every big occasion.
Mcquillan again done tyrone no favours. Mayo 1st point should have been a free out, never seen a more obvious example of a player charging, ohora should have been black carded, AOS should have been black carded on 68 min as he took out mckernan who was running past him, Mcquillan was in full view. The penalty should have been a free out for a square ball then for a mayo player pushing a tyrone player in the back.
Those sorts of call could have costed tyrone, thankfully it didn't.
Overall tyrone were more composed and should have scored more.
Mayo need to drop AOS and get new management in.
First point was no free, he looked as if he lost his balance,head went down and the Tyrone defender enabled him to stay on his feet, there was no complaints from any Tyrone players at the time..
He could have given a penalty depending on who he thought fouled the Mayo lad at the end of the first half, McGeary or Harte fouled him, McGeary outside the box and Hartes contact was inside the box. McGeary should have got a yellow as it it was a goal chance opportunity and he'd been noted just before that tackle.
Burns took the player down before the penalty, could have been black. watch the penalty again, both players outside the box and he picked the ball clean up, no issues there as for O'Shea's black, behave shoulder to shoulder
Would suggest you watch it agian
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_0MVMs4nxx4
2min 34 seconds. Head down running through Petey. Charging.
49min 51 seconds mayo lad in square before ball played and jumps right into back of tyrone player. Square ball and foul on tyrone player. Tyrone player picked ball off the ground after those 2 incidents. Where the hell did you see burns taking down a mayo player?
1 hour 19 second AOS shoulders mckernan off the ball. Shoulder to shoulder doesn't mean anything if its off the ball, it's still a foul. Black card or at least a yellow.
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
Mayo definitely got the "chalk line calls" on Saturday when compared to other recent finals (from a Mayo supporter)
Re: this curse. A lot was made of it when Armagh drew with Sligo in 2002. Suddenly this 'Armagh haven't won a championship match at Croke Park since 1977' began. I'd never heard of it until then and I'd say few others did.
In reality, we only played 4 or 5 games there since the 77 final. It's not like we were getting beat every year there.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:39 PM
I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
Re: this curse. A lot was made of it when Armagh drew with Sligo in 2002. Suddenly this 'Armagh haven't won a championship match at Croke Park since 1977' began. I'd never heard of it until then and I'd say few others did.
In reality, we only played 4 or 5 games there since the 77 final. It's not like we were getting beat every year there.
Exactly, the media made it up.
I don't remember hearing about the Mayo curse in 1996 or 1997 or even in 2004,
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
Re: this curse. A lot was made of it when Armagh drew with Sligo in 2002. Suddenly this 'Armagh haven't won a championship match at Croke Park since 1977' began. I'd never heard of it until then and I'd say few others did.
In reality, we only played 4 or 5 games there since the 77 final. It's not like we were getting beat every year there.
They played five championship games in the 1999-2002 period alone without winning.
Their league record there was poor as well, losing the 1983, 1985 and 1994 League finals and losing to Dublin in the 1999 League semi-final in a replay.
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 13, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Are you Joe Mcquillan by any chance. Wasnt a penalty as he went through a tyrone player to get the ball. I don't have any definition of a black card, I looked at the rules. Burns didn't pull down or leg trip anyone there he couldn't have been black carded.
Also the rule is the ball has to be in the square before the player can be, though as a ref you would have know that
A player may enter the opponents' small rectangle:
DURING PLAY (FOOTBALL) - After the final play of the ball into the small rectangle
SET PLAY (FOOTBALL) - After the ball enters the small rectangle
HURLING - After the ball enters the small rectangle
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To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"
Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
Or sometimes teams actually do beat themselves and lose a game they should have won hands down. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two big championship games in recent years where Tyrone beat themselves rather than have the opposition do it for them - 2010 against Dublin and 2016 against Mayo. They should have had both of those in their pockets and conspired to throw them away with ridiculous profligacy. That's what Mayo did on Saturday.
Don't agree that Mayo beat themselves on Saturday, in the sense that (bar the very early stages), they were never dominant or ahead in the match and contrived to throw away a good lead. Sure, they missed chances they should have taken, but that's no guarantee it would have swung the momentum back their way.
I always have a bit of a blindspot towards Tyrone in that I never rate them too highly; they really rode their luck in the semis against a Kerry team that showed more accuracy in shooting their feet instead of at the posts and I don't think they've ever mounted a great defence the following season when champions. Also, they got lucky off the breaks in the first half with the long kickouts and the first goal was really poor goalkeeping. However, not rating them is my failing, not theirs. Defensively, they gave an enviable masterclass on Saturday. I guess their longer odds for next year is more a reflection of the (presumably) longer, tougher route through Ulster they face than anything else.
Around 60% of all Irelands are won by the Dublin and Kerry franchises.
Maybe this year is seen as similar to the 2013 hurling . A free all Ireland
Normal service to be resumed next year.
Neither Kerry nor Dublin have many obstacles on the way to the semis.
The players were not in the square before the ball was played, watch it, the Tyrone lad was not fouled and he picked it off the ground. Burns brought player down for the free could be defined as deliberate.
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Tyrone player was pushed to the ground inside the box when contesting the high ball in. I admit Burns did touch the ball on the ground after that incident but it s free out to Tyrone.
"Duty of care" Jim on Sky criticised the run-up technique of O'Donoghue ahead of the penalty miss.
What a fvcking moron that man is.
Its a game of inches, I wonder was he as harsh on Michael Murphy when he missed a penalty with the last kick to win an U21 AI, or was his run-up technique beyond reproach and other factors that the grand wizard Jim would invariably know be at play.
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?
as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.
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Re: this curse. A lot was made of it when Armagh drew with Sligo in 2002. Suddenly this 'Armagh haven't won a championship match at Croke Park since 1977' began. I'd never heard of it until then and I'd say few others did.
In reality, we only played 4 or 5 games there since the 77 final. It's not like we were getting beat every year there.
They played five championship games in the 1999-2002 period alone without winning.
Their league record there was poor as well, losing the 1983, 1985 and 1994 League finals and losing to Dublin in the 1999 League semi-final in a replay.
We beat Laois in the NFL semis in 1994. We won QF and SF in 1985 , and the 1983 semis there too. But we didn't play championship in Croke Park from 82 to 99.
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2021, 02:04:39 PM
The players were not in the square before the ball was played, watch it, the Tyrone lad was not fouled and he picked it off the ground. Burns brought player down for the free could be defined as deliberate.
But this was from a set play.
Very close call whether square ball or not. My initial reaction was he timed his run very well, but haven't seen it in slow motion.
There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.
It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.
Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Penalties were further out in those days and were regularly missed. The two metres or whatever it was made a big difference. You've got to be nailing them now.
That's the second crucial penalty Tyrone's opponents put wide this year after Murphy did it for Donegal.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 13, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.
It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.
Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.
It wasnt a square ball, watch it in slow mo. Ball played was in square players came in. It wasn't like some bog of pitch that you can't see lines, it clear . Push? Debatable at best, pick up clear.
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.
Redmond was not an elite penalty taker. His penalties were woejus, he seemed to completely lose the head and have no plan for what to do. As did other Dublin players of the time who took penalties.
Trevor Giles was also a free taking specialist and missed two penalties in All-Irelands. He also scored one. Against Mayo, of course.
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?
as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.
Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.
My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?
as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.
Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.
My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards
Bar the clear cut one on McCurry. Stop now you are embarrassing yourself
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Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.
Redmond was not an elite penalty taker. His penalties were woejus, he seemed to completely lose the head and have no plan for what to do. As did other Dublin players of the time who took penalties.
Trevor Giles was also a free taking specialist and missed two penalties in All-Irelands. He also scored one. Against Mayo, of course.
I preferred it when the Dubs were slipshod.
That 95 all Ireland after 4 years of agony was sponsored by St Jude
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 13, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.
It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.
Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.
You could argue all day long whether it was a square ball or not but it is impossible to tell and I'd always give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.
Burns was not pushed, you can tell from his reaction that he knew he was guilty straight away.
The penalty should have been retaken.
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I watched it and in my assessment as a ref it was a penalty, not inside the box before ball was played no push, the lad was well on his way down before contact, clean off the ground, he should have been blacked carded also by going by your assessment of black cards. McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal.
A charge means he's lifting his feet into another player, this lad lost his balance stumbled into player
If you take your tinted glasses off you'll be fine.
you must be a poor ref :o
So it wasn't a penalty?
Of course burns touched on the ground for the penalty, I don't think anyone is disputing that. Its maybe debatable for the push/square ball before that, but its 50/50, sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't.
Your assessment of the other incidents is bizarre tho.
Are you honestly telling me you think the Burns challenge for the free leading to the penalty was black card, but the O'sea one wasn't?
as for this
"McGeary should have been yellow carded and penalty given either way, cynical foul going in on goal. "
I don't know where to start......Im glad you don't referee in Tyrone anyway.
Before the non penalty call, McGeary was noted for a foul, 2 minutes later he or Harte depending on McQuillian, he fouled leading up to the 21 yard free, it was cynical, as player was in or on the 14 yard line in front of goal, that would be a minimum noting, since noted already it should have been a yellow, again depending on who mcquillian decided who fouled (Hartes contact was inside box) it could have been a penalty.
My view on the game was there was barely any refereeing incidents, could have been a few black cards but there was no Cavanagh style black cards
Bar the clear cut one on McCurry. Stop now you are embarrassing yourself
Ok
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Quote from: RedHand88 on September 13, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
There were a succession of referee/umpire errors for that penalty.
It was square ball so should have been a free out.
Could argue burns was pushed - free out.
For the penalty itself harte was a few metres over the line and impeded - retake.
Morgan was off his line - retake.
Going back to the start, it was square ball so the missed penalty balances that out.
You could argue all day long whether it was a square ball or not but it is impossible to tell and I'd always give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.
Burns was not pushed, you can tell from his reaction that he knew he was guilty straight away.
The penalty should have been retaken.
Burns not pushed but the Tyrone man contesting the high ball in to the square was. Therefore free out to Tyrone.
McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.
This is the most blatant error of all.
Tyrone were more efficient
Mayo missed 4 goal chances.
Tyrone's subs were better
Mayo had more passengers.
https://youtu.be/aPf92gtptFE
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Tyrone were more efficient
Mayo missed 4 goal chances.
Tyrone's subs were better
Mayo had more passengers.
https://youtu.be/aPf92gtptFE
Hard to argue with you there.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2021, 03:12:43 PM
McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.
This is the most blatant error of all.
It's a hard one to call at the time. i watched it a few times and when O'Donoghue does his stutter step Morgan is still on the line. By the time he kicks it he's 2 foot off so technically it should be retaken but I'd have an issue with the stutter step in it's being done to make the goalie make a move.
I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 13, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Mccurrys was and was called at the time, but he backed out of another one later
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McQuillan specifically walked into Morgan prior to the penalty being taken and spoke to him, presumably to tell him to remain on his line so its very curious that the penalty was not retaken. Three officials standing within 10 metres of it and they can't even get that right.
This is the most blatant error of all.
It's a hard one to call at the time. i watched it a few times and when O'Donoghue does his stutter step Morgan is still on the line. By the time he kicks it he's 2 foot off so technically it should be retaken but I'd have an issue with the stutter step in it's being done to make the goalie make a move.
Watch it again, it's really not that hard at all. There are 3 officials involved all within 10 metres and its a set piece so very simple to decipher. Until the stutter step is banned then there is nothing in the rules from preventing it so that should not even enter the equation. I think McQuillan simply bottled it and took the easy option.
If Morgan had saved the shot he would have been 2 yards off his line and it would have been more obvious. But just because the shot went wide does not mean that O'Donoghue was not distracted by a narrowing target after Morgan moved early.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 13, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
If he had saved it it may have become a big talking point
When it was missed-it became a footnote
The way Mayo were playing, I still think they would have found a way to lose
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I genuinely believe that the 'curse' has actually become a curse. The more it is spoken about, coupled with the more often Mayo lose, the more in the minds of people the curse becomes a reality. There is a real subconscious belief in my opinion that they cannot win and this is a real mental block.
Every player in any sport at the top level has an ego. Some wear pinks boots they're that confident, some express it through bleached hair, some just get on with the business of the game and point to the scoreboard when the verbals start. I believe that this 'ego' within the Mayo set up is a false ego. Mentally they think they have it in the, but when push comes to shove they really don't. I often tell a story of an AI club final I played in which we won but never should have. With 10 minutes to go a comment was made to a Mayo legend about Mayo teams crumbling in AI final and you could actually see him physically shrinking in front of you. That's deep seated. That was over 20 years ago. No amount of sports psychologists will break that. It's there forever until that man dies and then there honestly will be a flood of media coverage of it and it will be like a weight off peoples shoulders. I know it isn't real, I know it isn't logical but the mind is not fully understood and if you hear something often enough and repeat it often enough it becomes 'real'.
Interesting but also surely that is too simplistic given that at that point in time Mayo would not have had anywhere near the same level of fatalism attached to them.. How did that even manifest itself, did the Mayo player break down after being sledged about losing All Ireland finals?
I don't believe in any of the curse nonsense. When that last sole survivor passes away Mayo will still have to overcome the mental barrier of winning an AI final.
Was it just the starting 15 from 1951 just cursed because one of the unused subs Mick Loftus is still alive also.
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Penalties in Gaelic football are no gimme, smaller nets than soccer and Morgan is a big lad. He hit the post so not far off target and to beat Morgan would need it in the corner.
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To echo a point made earlier.. its amazing that Tyrone beat Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo on the way to wining an AI and all many of the pundits can talk about is how poor Mayo and Kerry were.
I think pundits do this to excuse their pre-match predictions if they were wrong
ie "I said Mayo would win and I would have been correct if x, y, z didn't happen"
Fans of both sides will naturally focus more on their team - what could have been better, while ignoring (or partly glossing over) the same type of what-ifs for the opposition.
Or sometimes teams actually do beat themselves and lose a game they should have won hands down. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two big championship games in recent years where Tyrone beat themselves rather than have the opposition do it for them - 2010 against Dublin and 2016 against Mayo. They should have had both of those in their pockets and conspired to throw them away with ridiculous profligacy. That's what Mayo did in the 2013, 2016 and 2017 finals
Fixed that for you.
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Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Charlie Redmond missed three crucial penalties in big finals, two of them All Irelands. Whether or not you think he was a great player, he was an elite placed ball specialist.
Redmond was not an elite penalty taker. His penalties were woejus, he seemed to completely lose the head and have no plan for what to do. As did other Dublin players of the time who took penalties.
Trevor Giles was also a free taking specialist and missed two penalties in All-Irelands. He also scored one. Against Mayo, of course.
Anyone know what Kieran McGurks (rip) penalty record was ? Never seen him miss one.
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
Yip this all Ireland will have an asterik beside it as "the one where a penalty should have been retaken that would have put mayo a point up with 30 minutes left to play." \s
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
It's one of a multitude of decisions that go one way or the other in a game. I think your over egging it TBH. I agree the other one could have been called a penalty as well. Just as the McCurry tackle could have been a BC or the first point could have been blown for charging. I think it's usually a good signal when there's been few Mayo fans complaining about it. That tends to signal the significance of the incident.
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
It's one of a multitude of decisions that go one way or the other in a game. I think your over egging it TBH. I agree the other one could have been called a penalty as well. Just as the McCurry tackle could have been a BC or the first point could have been blown for charging. I think it's usually a good signal when there's been few Mayo fans complaining about it. That tends to signal the significance of the incident.
I think probably at this stage that the Mayo fans don't even want to begin thinking about the match, and understandably so. If I was a Mayo supporter the last thing I would want to do is rewatch that match again and I'm not saying that McQuillan was the reason for the defeat. Far from it. The reason I brought it up was to counter the argument that McQuillan was biased against Tyrone which somebody posted up earlier in the thread. Mayo didn't deserve to win imo but that is not to say that those incidents and the non award of a retaken spot kick did not impact the direction of the match.
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Quote from: Sportacus on September 13, 2021, 02:29:45 PM
Jack O'Se missed a penalty in an All Ireland Final. Even the greatest players struggle with penalties in gaelic, it is by no means a gimme. I'm sure there's a stat somewhere showing the conversion rate.
Penalties in Gaelic football are no gimme, smaller nets than soccer and Morgan is a big lad. He hit the post so not far off target and to beat Morgan would need it in the corner.
100%. Its a game of inches, and lets call a spade a spade, Tyrone rode their luck at times to keep a clean sheet.
His technique doesn't come into it, he tried his best to pick his spot under immense pressure, was a solid effort.
Anyone can miss a penalty, its a very indiscriminate affliction, credit to the fella for stepping up.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 13, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
It's one of a multitude of decisions that go one way or the other in a game. I think your over egging it TBH. I agree the other one could have been called a penalty as well. Just as the McCurry tackle could have been a BC or the first point could have been blown for charging. I think it's usually a good signal when there's been few Mayo fans complaining about it. That tends to signal the significance of the incident.
I think probably at this stage that the Mayo fans don't even want to begin thinking about the match, and understandably so. If I was a Mayo supporter the last thing I would want to do is rewatch that match again and I'm not saying that McQuillan was the reason for the defeat. Far from it. The reason I brought it up was to counter the argument that McQuillan was biased against Tyrone which somebody posted up earlier in the thread. Mayo didn't deserve to win imo but that is not to say that those incidents and the non award of a retaken spot kick did not impact the direction of the match.
I don't think McQuillan was biased either. Just missed a fair bit for both sides. Don't think Mayo will be looking back and thinking the ref cost us that one.
Ref had no real bearing on game. Best team won. More belief, better individually, signficantly better tactically.
I don't think there was a turning point. The Tyrone backs were already dominant in the 1st half
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 13, 2021, 05:14:57 PM
Ref had no real bearing on game. Best team won. More belief, better individually, signficantly better tactically.
I'd agree with that. Both teams had a few things they could moan about from the ref but they probably balance out over the course of the game. Mayo lost because Tyrone played better than them on the day.
Exactly. Also people are saying it now gives hope to Meath, Kildare, Monaghan, Armagh etc etc. There are none of those teams capable of putting together a defensive performance like Tyrone did in the semi final or final.
It was like 08 the way they built up in 08. Just got significantly better as a team each game until peak.
N.b. I wanted them to lose if I'm honest but they were excellent on Saturday and were just far too good.
Agree tyrone got better with each game but 4 week break for Mayo and Kerry didn't help them in any way.
First of all, Comhghairdeas Tír Eoghain, you were deserving winners on the day. I've watched Mayo lose a number of finals to Dublin in the last decade and I have to say, Tyrone didn't engage in a fraction of the cycnicism/off the ball shite that the Dubs regularly engage in. The negative rep Tyrone get from sections of the media is tiresome but they won this year's final fair and square. Any of their supporters I met after the match were also very gracious in victory so well done to all involved.
From a Mayo point of view, it was basically our old failing coming back to haunt us again....not enough scoring forwards. We had the chances to win the game but didn't take them, Mayo had 31 shots to Tyrone's 28 but we just couldn't score enough of them. Only 2 of our 6 forwards, Conroy and O Donoghue, looked like threatening the scoreboard from open play and unfortunately, even those 2 missed the chances that could have put us in a winning position.
I would personally be delighted for Aidan if he finally got his hands on a celtic cross and some of the personal abuse he has to put up with is way over the top. At the same time, there are some reasonable questions that can be asked. I've no problem with Gaelic players making a few quid off the back of their status, but was the Sunday World 'baywatch' article, 13 days out from the final really necessary? Particularly after his poor semi final performance. All that stuff does is heap the pressure on him and open himself up to the inevitable criticism afterwards.
Rob Hennelly had his best year in a Mayo jersey, he has taken his kickouts to a new level and they are now up there with the very best in the country. Unfortunately for him, his old issues under the high ball came back once more in the final. I'm not sure it's something he can resolve at this stage in his career but hopefully he can.
On a more positive note, I think if we can get an injury free year out of Cillian and Jason Doherty we'll be well in contention again next year. A forward line containing those 2, Conroy and O Donoghue would be far more dangerous than what we put out at the weekend. A fit again Eoghan McLoughlin and Brendan Harrison would also make a difference.
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
No all Ireland with horan . All this talk of learning every year. Pure cop out
What was the Baywatch article referred to above all about?
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Interesting theme coming through here:
Connacht teams have a terrible record in finals. Galway and Roscommon aren't much to write home about either:
Between them , they have been in 8 and lost 6.
Ulster not bad and Leinster very impressive.
* Win ratio in brackets
Connacht 19 finals - lost 17 (11%)
Ulster, 17 finals - lost 7 (59%)
Munster, 33 finals, lost 15 (55%)
Leinster, 31 finals, lost 11 (65%)
Of course all of this is completely meaningless, except it shows that far from being awake, the West are a pack of sleepy feckers
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:39:35 PM
Interesting** theme coming through here:
Connacht teams have a terrible record in finals. Galway and Roscommon aren't much to write home about either:
Between them , they have been in 8 and lost 6.
Ulster not bad and Leinster very impressive.
* Win ratio in brackets
Connacht 19 finals - lost 17 (11%)
Ulster, 17 finals - lost 7 (59%)
Munster, 33 finals, lost 15 (55%)
Leinster, 31 finals, lost 11 (65%)
Of course all of this is completely meaningless, except it shows that far from being awake, the West are a pack of sleepy feckers
** The word interesting doing a lot of heavy lifting here
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Interesting. Ultimately every final has a loser. The 2 sides have to balance. Without Mayo the losses would have been distributed anongst the other teams.
In 89 Cork beat Mayo. They have the next worst record.
https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/ready-for-the-roar-of-croke-park-aidan-oshea-is-the-man-hoping-to-lead-mayo-to-historic-win-40785444.html
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Are you a cute Kerry hoor by any chance?? Claiming all Ireland's that you didn't actually win
No wonder you have 37 ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Between 1954 and 1981 they only won 2! and won none in the 70's!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
The power of the curse must be wearing off as the years go on, it was deadly strong initially but at least in modern times they've been allowed to win a few connachts and get to a few AI finals.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2021, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Between 1954 and 1981 they only won 2! and won none in the 70's!
No wonder the county went mad in 1989
I was even at the send off up at Knock Airport the day before the game but didn't make the homecoming on the Monday
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgkr7CZ7xRI
Pure madness
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Interesting. Ultimately every final has a loser. The 2 sides have to balance. Without Mayo the losses would have been distributed anongst the other teams.
In 89 Cork beat Mayo. They have the next worst record.
If Cork were in 9 and lost 6, then that means they won 3. But they won 2010, 1990, 1989 and 1973. 4 by my count.
Yeeehooo! 4th All Ireland! 8)
Very satisfied with this one have to say, the team and management showed real resolve and commitment to bring out another fantastic day for the county. We are truly indebted to everything that everyone associated with the squad went through and faced up to this year. Fantastic stuff! thanks folks!
We have been building nicely all year and obviously the Kerry match was the breakout win. The final had a few hairy moments for us, Q3 was poor enough showing in terms of scores, penalty, Mayo goal chances etc but overall (in hindsight) it was much assured win that the semi.
There was great performances everywhere but I feel Morgan McCurry and midfield deserve special mention for great performances, were there was questions being placed over their heads as weak areas for Tyrone. McGeary, Meyler and Sludden outstanding too as they have been all year, the latters return to form has been particularly satisfying. All the defence very solid and working as a unit, showed that they can man mark as well as anyone and repaid that trust that was shown to them. P Harte reinvented himself this year again and scored that fantastic point late on, him and Mattie Donnelly have certainly earned their Celtic Crosses, true warriors for Tyrone. Up front we seem to have rediscovered that unique special quality in players like McKenna and McShane, able to think on their feet and do ridiculous things from time to time, what they are capable off if fully fit and functioning together is kinda scary (cant imagine how the opposition must feel about facing them).
Commiserations to Mayo, I don't want to start pointing out where your lost it as I'm sure its obvious to yis but best of luck to ye next year I really do hope you get over this final hoodoo sometime soon.
Very excited for next season! Kerry will be hurting and Dublin will have something to play for again. Not to mention all of our neighbours who all seem to be having (what must be a ripple effect) surge in quality will be chomping at the bit to knock us of our perch.
We still need to push on from this as we are still only up there with the Kildare's and Tipperary's on 4. I see our just position as leading the charge on the "Big Two".
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Emigration
Migration
Politics (who you were)
Money
Culture
Galway being very strong in the 60's
Roscommon being strong in the 70's
The lack of a back door.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Are you a cute Kerry hoor by any chance?? Claiming all Ireland's that you didn't actually win
No wonder you have 37 ;D
1981 is the last final Offaly lost, the year in parentheses (1982) is the year of the last final they were in.
Cork have been in 10 finals since 73 (excl. Replays) losing 6.
Quote from: whitey on September 13, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Longford (Kerry parents)
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
O'Shea's were Mullingar, not Longford. Their father has a couple of Westmeath senior championship medals.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Are you a cute Kerry hoor by any chance?? Claiming all Ireland's that you didn't actually win
No wonder you have 37 ;D
The year in brackets was the last year they played in an AIF - not the last year they lost. Would love to be a cute Kerry huir, but I'm not cute, I'm not from Kerry although I might be a bit of a huir alright.
I did make a mistake with Cork. 10 finals, lost 6 the f**kers.
There are probably other mistakes in there - in fact there definitely is. I couldn't really give a crap to be honest. If any of you want to find them, knock yourselves out ;D
Quote from: APM on September 13, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
I think very often winning is what allows a county to slip into long term mediocrity. Had Mayo won '96 or '97 that may well have happened to them too. They keep reaching finals because they haven't won any. It creates urgency.
Down, Derry, Donegal, Armagh, Meath, Cork and Galway all fell away to varying degrees, probably because subconsciously they were sated by victory.
So did Offaly after 1982.
I actually think Mickey Harte's tenure since the 2003-2008 team broke up has been quite under rated in that regard because Tyrone have consistently stayed a top four team. They never fell away like those other counties, which could easily have happened.
Final ranking of the year from Laoisman with Tyrone at their rightful place at the top of the ladder!! 8) 8)
#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1|▲2|Tyrone|110.14|3.64
2|=|Dublin|107.58|0.00
3|▼-2|Mayo|106.06|-3.64
4|=|Kerry|101.23|0.00
5|=|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|=|Galway|92.84|0.00
7|=|Monaghan|92.56|0.00
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00
11|=|Armagh|89.25|0.00
12|=|Cavan|85.32|0.00
13|=|Derry|85.25|0.00
14|=|Roscommon|85.01|0.00
15|=|Down|82.93|0.00
16|=|Clare|82.33|0.00
17|=|Westmeath|80.86|0.00
18|=|Offaly|78.50|0.00
19|=|Longford|76.71|0.00
20|=|Tipperary|76.17|0.00
21|=|Laois|72.46|0.00
22|=|Limerick|72.10|0.00
23|=|Antrim|72.05|0.00
24|=|Fermanagh|71.77|0.00
25|=|Louth|68.39|0.00
26|=|Wexford|65.63|0.00
27|=|Wicklow|64.12|0.00
28|=|Carlow|63.34|0.00
29|=|Leitrim|62.00|0.00
30|=|Sligo|59.04|0.00
31|=|New York|58.08|0.00
32|=|Waterford|57.60|0.00
33|=|London|50.93|0.00
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Final ranking of the year from Laoisman with Tyrone at their rightful place at the top of the ladder!! 8) 8)
#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1|▲2|Tyrone|110.14|3.64
2|=|Dublin|107.58|0.00
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32|=|Waterford|57.60|0.00
33|=|London|50.93|0.00
Would be good to see movement since last year's final
This is from just after last years final.
1 | = | Dublin | 112.28 | 1.29
2 | = | Mayo | 104.17 | -1.29
3 | = | Kerry | 101.95 | 0.00
4 | = | Donegal | 98.77 | 0.00
5 | = | Tyrone | 98.15 | 0.00
6 | = | Cavan | 97.87 | 0.00
7 | = | Galway | 93.47 | 0.00
8 | = | Meath | 92.45 | 0.00
9 | = | Roscommon | 92.30 | 0.00
10 | = | Armagh | 90.76 | 0.00
11 | = | Cork | 86.53 | 0.00
12 | = | Monaghan | 86.52 | 0.00
13 | = | Laois | 85.56 | 0.00
14 | = | Tipperary | 85.05 | 0.00
15 | = | Kildare | 83.49 | 0.00
16 | = | Westmeath | 81.93 | 0.00
17 | = | Down | 80.98 | 0.00
18 | = | Clare | 79.52 | 0.00
19 | = | Derry | 76.64 | 0.00
20 | = | Longford | 74.96 | 0.00
21 | = | Offaly | 72.49 | 0.00
22 | = | Fermanagh | 71.36 | 0.00
23 | = | Wicklow | 70.21 | 0.00
24 | = | Antrim | 69.34 | 0.00
25 | = | Limerick | 68.18 | 0.00
26 | = | Leitrim | 67.85 | 0.00
27 | = | Carlow | 65.06 | 0.00
28 | = | Louth | 64.87 | 0.00
29 | = | Sligo | 61.82 | 0.00
30 | = | Wexford | 60.16 | 0.00
31 | = | Waterford | 56.59 | 0.00
32 | = | New York | 55.07 | 0.00
33 | = | London | 50.10 | 0.00
Cavan declined quite a bit in that year, but there are 7 Ulster teams in the top half and Antrim have moved off the bottom in Ulster.
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Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Are Keegan's parents Irish then?
I remember reading a book about some of the unfortunate incidents involving Mayo players. Wasn't one fella working in the garda and was shot during an armed robbery? Then another fella Ted Webb was killed crossing the train tracks. Both great prospects it seems.
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Look at the table below (last final in brackets).
In the last 50 years:
Kerry have been in 24 finals, losing 9 (2019)
Dublin have been in 20, losing 7 (2020)
Mayo have been in 11, losing 11 (2021)
Cork have been in 9 finals, losing 6 (2010)
Meath have been in 7, losing 3 (2001)
Tyrone have been in 7, losing 3 (2021)
Galway have been in 7 finals, losing 5 (2001)
Offaly have been in 4, losing 1 (1982)
Down have been in 3, losing 1 (2010)
Donegal have been in 3, losing 1 (2014)
Armagh have been in 3, losing 2 (2003)
Derry has been in 1, losing 0 (1993)
Roscommon have been in 1, losing 1 (1980)
It is very difficult to make it to an All Ireland final. In the last 50 years only 13 counties by my reckoning have reached All-Ireland finals. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, no-one has made it to more than Mayo.
They have lost them all (shocking), but look at Meath, Galway, Cork - big beasts of the football world and 20 year gaps since the last appearance (and getting longer). Bad and all as the last 10 years have been for Mayo, they have been at the top table and they have given a lot of joy (and heartache) to their followers.
However, as Galway and Meath have found out, your place at the top table is not guaranteed. Some year, they won't bounce back and could very well slip into mediocrity.
Are you a cute Kerry hoor by any chance?? Claiming all Ireland's that you didn't actually win
No wonder you have 37 ;D
1981 is the last final Offaly lost, the year in parentheses (1982) is the year of the last final they were in.
Cork have been in 10 finals since 73 (excl. Replays) losing 6.
Ah yes, my mistake.
But you can't be too careful where these cute Kerry hoors are concerned ;D
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Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Are Keegan's parents Irish then?
I remember reading a book about some of the unfortunate incidents involving Mayo players. Wasn't one fella working in the garda and was shot during an armed robbery? Then another fella Ted Webb was killed crossing the train tracks. Both great prospects it seems.
John Morley, played with Mayo seniors 1961–1974. He was 37 when he was killed in 1980. The Connacht U16 competition is named after the late Ted Webb.
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Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Are Keegan's parents Irish then?
I remember reading a book about some of the unfortunate incidents involving Mayo players. Wasn't one fella working in the garda and was shot during an armed robbery? Then another fella Ted Webb was killed crossing the train tracks. Both great prospects it seems.
John Morley, played with Mayo seniors 1961–1974. He was 37 when he was killed in 1980. The Connacht U16 competition is named after the late Ted Webb.
His son Gordon Morley played with Mayo in 1999. Think played club football with Salthill.
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Quote from: chrissears on September 13, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Are Keegan's parents Irish then?
I remember reading a book about some of the unfortunate incidents involving Mayo players. Wasn't one fella working in the garda and was shot during an armed robbery? Then another fella Ted Webb was killed crossing the train tracks. Both great prospects it seems.
Think Keegan was born and lived in Cavan.
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Tyrone08 was spot on about Aidan O'Shea, very overrated for a player who cannot catch a ball cleanly or pass it with hand or foot. Our management team have made a few mistakes this year with some selections but few in the county thought we would get to the AI final last year, let alone this year. That said, we cannot keep coming back each year to accept defeat so easily and making cheap excuses, any of those players who played in the AI final should have been kicking down doors to win this year. Tyrone were the better team on the day, they did the simple things well and some of their scores were top drawer, well done. You give counties like Mayo the hope that one day we will eventually get over the line but we need to change this casual mindset and stop comments like " sure we will be back next year".
100%. There will come a day when we will stop getting to finals regularly. Sure it was 38 years after 1951.
It's mad that Mayo only won 7 Connachts between 1952 and 1989.
Emigration might have had something to.do with it.
Plus Galway and Ros were strong for various stretches
Definitely part of the story
Dermot Earley was full a blown Mayo man-even born in Castlebar and a first cousin of Publican Mick Byrne
His father got a job one mile over the border in Roscommon and slipped through our fingers
Captain of the 1983 U21 team-Gerry Geraghty emigrated to Chicago and was as good if not better than Willie Joe Padden
Pearce Hanley would have developed into one of the top 4 midfielders in the country
On the other hand more recently
Keith Higgins father was a Galway man (must be where he got his hurling skills from)
Donal Vaughan's parents both from Cork (I think)
The O'Sheas were born in Mullingar (Kerry parents) ****corrected*****
Lee Keegan-actually is English born and not a drop of Mayo blood in him
Are Keegan's parents Irish then?
I remember reading a book about some of the unfortunate incidents involving Mayo players. Wasn't one fella working in the garda and was shot during an armed robbery? Then another fella Ted Webb was killed crossing the train tracks. Both great prospects it seems.
Keegan's mother was from Cavan....his father was an Englishman
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/lee-keegan-interview-mayo-s-man-apart-on-how-gaelic-football-was-not-for-him-1.2587486
John Morley was well retired by the time he was gunned down by the INLA. He one of the best players for Mayo that had the great battles with Galway during the 1960s. When Mayo finally bested them in 1967, Morley missed the semi final due to appendicitis and Mayo lost to Meath who then went on to lift Sam
https://www.mayonews.ie/?option=com_content&view=article&id=9514:john-morley-was-mayos-best-number-six&catid=26&Itemid=54
Ted Webb would have been Mayo' s David Clifford or Con O Callaghan
John O Mahoney dropped him home from training and soon after he got a call to pick up a relative from a pub. His car got hit by an unscheduled freight train and was killed instantly
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Cavan declined quite a bit in that year, but there are 7 Ulster teams in the top half and Antrim have moved off the bottom in Ulster.
Cavan did a scenic tour of all the divisions. For a few
years they were tracking Roscommon in bouncing up and down between D1 and D2
but they went their own way to explore D3 and D4
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
It's one of a multitude of decisions that go one way or the other in a game. I think your over egging it TBH. I agree the other one could have been called a penalty as well. Just as the McCurry tackle could have been a BC or the first point could have been blown for charging. I think it's usually a good signal when there's been few Mayo fans complaining about it. That tends to signal the significance of the incident.
I think probably at this stage that the Mayo fans don't even want to begin thinking about the match, and understandably so. If I was a Mayo supporter the last thing I would want to do is rewatch that match again and I'm not saying that McQuillan was the reason for the defeat. Far from it. The reason I brought it up was to counter the argument that McQuillan was biased against Tyrone which somebody posted up earlier in the thread. Mayo didn't deserve to win imo but that is not to say that those incidents and the non award of a retaken spot kick did not impact the direction of the match.
I am an Armagh man, McQuillan was poor for both sides but his poor decisions against Tyrone had a greater impact on the result IMO. He is a poor ref full stop.
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I think we're analysing things to death now. I'd say that penalty could be taken that way 10 times and I doubt a ref would retake any.
Same with the penalty incident. The only clear bit was that it was straight off the carpet so little room for complaints.
I did think the McCurry tackle was as clear a black card as you'll see tho. It was kind of text book for black card.
Or are we only analysing it to death when it is a decision that went massively in Tyrones favour. It was probably the single biggest turning point of the match.
Very few people could see the reason for the Hennelly retaken 45 in the semi final but that penalty was much more obvious for a referee to have spotted. It was a set piece where the play was slowed down and his eyes would have been focussed entirely on the goalkeeper having just spoken to him seconds beforehand presumably to warn him about staying on his line.
I think your away with it. As said before I'd expect the same kick to be allowed 10 out of 10 times. Tyrone win that game regardless of how that penalty went IMO. The Black card for the McCurry tackle was equally as important. Them's the breaks.
Definitely not away with it, I just think you're looking at it with red and white glasses on. O'Hora should have seen black for the McCurry pull down and got 10 minutes in the sin bin. The same player could have easily had a penalty kick instead of a 13m free kick only minutes after that incident. As for how each of those incidents affected the eventual outcome, well that's just opinion. The penalty would have put Mayo 1 point up at a crucial point of the game, maybe they still would have lost the match but thats guesswork.
It's one of a multitude of decisions that go one way or the other in a game. I think your over egging it TBH. I agree the other one could have been called a penalty as well. Just as the McCurry tackle could have been a BC or the first point could have been blown for charging. I think it's usually a good signal when there's been few Mayo fans complaining about it. That tends to signal the significance of the incident.
I think probably at this stage that the Mayo fans don't even want to begin thinking about the match, and understandably so. If I was a Mayo supporter the last thing I would want to do is rewatch that match again and I'm not saying that McQuillan was the reason for the defeat. Far from it. The reason I brought it up was to counter the argument that McQuillan was biased against Tyrone which somebody posted up earlier in the thread. Mayo didn't deserve to win imo but that is not to say that those incidents and the non award of a retaken spot kick did not impact the direction of the match.
I am an Armagh man, McQuillan was poor for both sides but his poor decisions against Tyrone had a greater impact on the result IMO. He is a poor ref full stop.
I thought McQuillan did fine. Jesus you know refs cant get every single call right in 70 minutes of high intensity football. He called both penalties correctly, the black card he didnt give was borderline and couldve went either way. Both teams prob got a soft free or two but thats the way it goes. To say he is a poor ref is just bullshit.
The black card was a massive call and due to the fact Tyrone got 2 in the semi final, it was a poor call. The penalty could have been a free out but when not given I have no qualms over the lift off the ground
McQuillan had a good game. He let football be played, and didn't affect the result. That's pretty much as good as you can hope for in a sport where every single player, mentor and spectator believes that greyness in rules should be exploited by any means necessary when it suits their needs, but enforced to the rigid rule of law, when it doesn't.
He is generally a useless ref, however he didnt get much wrong Saturday from what I can remember.
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He is generally a useless ref, however he didnt get much wrong Saturday from what I can remember.
Yeah that's about right. But it was a clean sort of game , not much shenanigans so that probably helped.
As colm o'rourke said to Sean cavanagh there wasn't any lying down like there was when he was playing ;D
Quote from: An Watcher on September 14, 2021, 09:26:22 AM
The black card was a massive call and due to the fact Tyrone got 2 in the semi final, it was a poor call. The penalty could have been a free out but when not given I have no qualms over the lift off the ground
So a ref should study previous games to check how many black cards a team got and sort of even it up in the next game? Do you actually read back what you are writing there before posting?
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He is generally a useless ref, however he didnt get much wrong Saturday from what I can remember.
100%
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He is generally a useless ref, however he didnt get much wrong Saturday from what I can remember.
Yeah that's about right. But it was a clean sort of game , not much shenanigans so that probably helped.
Maybe it is Dublin that bring that wee bit of trampiness to games, not Tyrone as they often get labelled as doing.
Kevin McStay
Monday morning was overcast and squally in the west of Ireland: an appropriate backdrop to the general emotion in Co Mayo. What is the prevailing feeling for us after the latest All-Ireland final failure?
I think it is probably frustration and resignation edging into anger. We have found yet another county to lose an All-Ireland final to. We might have told ourselves stories in other years when we lost to Dublin to Kerry: 'oh Galway got Kildare when they made their breakthrough in 1998'. We were up against Kerry, against Dublin, against that oppressive tradition. Those are self-deceptions. In 2012 it was Donegal who eclipsed us. And on Saturday it was Tyrone. This time, Mayo were favourites. It made no difference. The losing sequence continued.
My sense is that the numbers are becoming so accusatory now that they are beginning to frazzle the Mayo minds. We have a generation of footballers who have played seven All-Ireland finals, including the 2016 draw, and lost six times. I feel that Lee Keegan is pound for pound the best footballer Mayo has ever produced. Is that the number that will or should be attached to him as a legacy?
My family often accuses me of being cold and clinical in my public analysis of Mayo. I think it might be because of the company I keep over a championship season: people who are informed about the game. And mixing with people like Colm O'Rourke and Seán Cavanagh and Oisín McConville, who have a deep understanding of what it takes to win an All-Ireland.
I travelled to Dublin over the weekend with high hopes founded on logical reasons why Mayo could win this. Modern finals have become real 'events', with a momentum and anticipation which builds up over the week. Media coverage is massive and people have as much fine detail as they want. I love that part of it. But the weekend reminded me of how transient it all is. On Friday night, we bumped into Brian Fenton, walking home in Clontarf with a takeaway under his arm. And I found it kind of amazing that he was suddenly no longer part of this: that it was Mayo and Tyrone's show. He was gracious and wished us well.
Mayo have no complaints about this final. As a county, we have nobody to look to now except ourselves. I think that is a good thing
Then, on Saturday morning I happened upon Peter Canavan at the lift in the hotel. Naturally, his focus was on the family aspect. One of the greatest players of all time was quite rightly just another nervous, proud father of a son who was playing. He was caught up in it. I wished him well. When I next saw Peter, he was standing all alone in the 76th minute caught in the absolute joy of knowing there was another Celtic Cross coming into the family home. What a beautiful moment for him. The contrasts between the Tyrone joy and the crushing realisation that yet another Mayo team were being thrust into the same purgatorial place became very clear and pronounced in those fading minutes of the contest.
The texts came thick and fast after the game from former players and people involved in the sport. The message was: tough loss. But you cannot expect a Mayo team to win when they play like that.
Brilliant fortune
I feel that many fans don't have that same cold perspective. There is a tendency to contextualise and equivocate: we are young! We had a great run! Morgan was off his line for the penalty! Sure we will have Cillian back next year! To former All-Ireland champions, these excuses are irrelevant. To them, this is the truth. The game was beautifully poised at half time. Mayo got the brilliant fortune of a penalty at the perfect time. Young O'Donoghue had a very fine game but I am sure he wishes he could take that penalty again. It wasn't just the miss: it was the embellished run up which drew further attention to the miss.
That moment wasn't the winning and losing of the game. But it set Mayo off into a nightmare closing half hour. In the 50th minute Cathal McShane had a horrible wide for Tyrone from a free. Right then, the wide count was pretty even: Tyrone 7, Mayo 6. It was to be Tyrone's last wide. But for the remaining 27 minutes of the match, Mayo missed a penalty, kicked eight further wides, two others shot into the goalkeeper's hands, had crazy turnovers and fell into a pattern of awful decision making. It wasn't quite a meltdown. But there was a sense that as a group, they were afraid to go and win the All-Ireland final: that they found it hard to muster up the courage to take responsibility and make the right pass and do the right thing.
You cannot keep returning to these finals and repeat the errors of yesteryear. From an analytical point of view, it is unacceptable. I think the Mayo management will be at a loss to understand how it got so bad. The substitutions, rather than add energy, actually sucked energy out of it.
The wides I am talking about aren't just 'wides' as a fan would count them. They are not just missed shots or a statistic. You have to examine what kind of wide it is. And the unsightly part is that that 50 per cent of those wides were down to lack of quality and poor shot selection. I have spoken before about the ASS statistic: It's a simple breakdown which explains so much. The ideal attacks/shots/scores rate is 40/30/20 or better. Mayo on Saturday broke down as: 46/31/15. It was yet another case of a disastrous inability to convert chances into scores. Rather than working hard to create the easy score, the Mayo players began to take snatch shots based on blind hope. I wrote here that five or six wides is where a team needs to be at the end of a game. Our twelfth wide was a simple handpass from Oisín Mullin to Darren Coen that dribbled out over the endline. It summed up the day.
Where did the composure go? And why did it leave Mayo?
After all, Tyrone had issues, too. They had many opportunities to extend a very good lead but failed to capitalise on them. However, the Tyrone attack, whether by design or otherwise, were informed by a sense of purpose and know-how: that they were all reading off the same page. Their two goals were emblematic of this. And they disguised a glaring barren spell for the Tyrone attack also. Tyrone failed to score a point from play from half time until the 67th minute of the second half, when Darragh Canavan fisted a ball over the bar. That is not a system failure but it is not the sign of a rampant team either.
Mayo have no complaints about this final. As a county, we have nobody to look to now except ourselves. I think that is a good thing. We need to be cold. We need to throw off the comfort blankets and the gallows humour and the sense that they will be back next year. This time, the team needs to have a massive post mortem about their second half. Otherwise, they are fated to repeat those mistakes in future big games.
Do we cultivate and create forwards in Mayo? Why have we not gone about fixing the absence of elite Mayo forwards over the past 30 years?
The management must look at their panel again. We must get the balance between athlete and footballer more accurately aligned. Conor Meyler is an incredible athlete. But look at his ball playing skills, too. We don't quite have that. The Tyrone approach negated Mayo's athletic profile. Their big fear, surely, was allowing Mayo to slip into their running game. How did they break it up so effectively? They went man to man high up the field and took a chance on the inside line. They gambled. Mayo had goal chances. But the Mayo running game rarely got into flow. It was a very brave call by Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher and there was risk involved in it. But that is the job of management: to make the assessment and judge the risk. So in the end, Mayo's prime weapon - their running power - looked blunted.
There is a debate I often had in the 1990s with John Maughan. We had a dearth of forwards but endless defenders who kept Mayo in games. Kenneth Mortimer was the prototype. He was a terrific defender but he was so good that he could play forward too. And John did play him at 11 at times. But do we cultivate and create forwards in Mayo? Why have we not gone about fixing the absence of elite Mayo forwards over the past 30 years? It surely has to start down at academy level where we begin to produce and coach specific types of forwards rather than just another fine all round player who often gravitates into defence and becomes these marauding attacking defenders.
Brushstroke dismissals
Look at Aidan O'Shea. Nobody but nobody can agree where Mayo should play him and what his best position is, yet he has been playing for over a decade. Maybe Mayo have done O'Shea a disservice here. Has his role ever been clarified for him? Or has he been asked to be all things for too many Mayo teams down the years? His game has suffered because of that. This was true on Saturday. Aidan had a very decent start. I felt he was one of the top three Mayo players at half time. If people are being honest about it rather than the brushstroke dismissals of him, here is a synopsis.
He wins the throw-in (both halves) and gives a lovely assist for Tommy Conroy and Mayo have a very early and very encouraging score. In the opening 20 minutes he regularly won his ball in front of Ronan McNamee. He then kicked a wide which I felt was the key moment for his day. And it was illustrative of a guy who is a bit low on confidence. He knows the chance is there and he knows he has to take it. But somewhere in his mind he is doubting himself and he just doesn't strike it with enough conviction. Very soon after comes the golden chance: a goal opportunity. And it is the same want of confidence. If this is a league game or a game in Connacht, Aidan scores that all day long. He shows McNamee the ball and lets him skid past him and then he has Morgan at his mercy or Conor Loftus coming on his right. In my opinion, he actually tried to chip a point. And that is why McNamee got the block. Still, he created the penalty shout for Pádraig O'Hora. He had at least 10 positive plays. His second half deteriorated badly - but he was part of a failing unit. He was still on the ball a lot. He still kept showing.
So he was low on confidence. But ask yourself this: if you took the kind of * that is thrown at Aidan O'Shea all the time, wouldn't you be too?
He came in for some harsh treatment on social media on Saturday night. You cannot govern that. But not for the first time, he was central to the criticism of Joe Brolly's latest dissection of Mayo in his newspaper column with the Sunday Independent. I worked with Joe for a long time on RTÉ. We were never close, as they say. He can be good company and he is affable. And Joe has had a privileged platform and influence for many years.
The absence of an All-Ireland medal is a big hole in Aidan's career. I am sure Aidan knows this
You have to be careful how you use that. He puts himself up there when he is talking about the requirement of winning All-Irelands as though he is some kind of leading authority on the subject. He played with a county that made it to an All-Ireland final once - ever - and won it: good luck to him. But he played county ball for many years: by his standard he was a failure in all bar one of those. He personalises Mayo' defeats and puts it down to a failure of moral character. He talks of cliques and of Aidan as "a protected captain" and questions James Horan's authority. None of that equates to what I hear of what goes on within Mayo. We have had a lot of retirements here. If those issues were prevalent, they would have come to the fore. My sense is that they run a very decent show in the Mayo camp.
Not balanced
I felt Joe stepped over the line in his treatment of Aidan and it was lousy: it was personal and not balanced. You can take issue with how a football player presents himself to the world. But it doesn't give you carte blanche to trample all over somebody's personality or reputation. Everyone knows the Mayo effort was not good enough. But you cannot pile it on O'Shea and James Horan. Everyone is entitled to a fair hearing and you cannot manipulate an entire career down to a few games. The absence of an All-Ireland medal is a big hole in Aidan's career. I am sure Aidan knows this. But the manner in which Joe is going after Aidan O'Shea is just bloody wrong.
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years.
I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either. In the meantime, Mayo have to immediately begin to rectify the failures that have repeatedly destroyed us in All-Ireland finals. Change needs to happen in the dressing room and across the county. Otherwise another 70 years will slip by and we will all be pretty old by then.Thanks
Ciarán McDonald is one of the trainers. You would imagine that, given enough time, he could produce a procession of decent forwards
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Ciarán McDonald is one of the trainers. You would imagine that, given enough time, he could produce a procession of decent forwards
You just need to supply him with 20 or 30 single women who are up for serving their county. In 25 years time they should have some good forwards out of that.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
+1
One of the best articles I've read, and I've read many since Saturdays game
McStay and Dessie Dolan got free new suits for the Final.
Cavanagh must have raided a Charity shop for his!
Here McStay you wee w**ker, Derry have been to 2 finals!!
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Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Ciarán McDonald is one of the trainers. You would imagine that, given enough time, he could produce a procession of decent forwards
You just need to supply him with 20 or 30 single women who are up for serving their county. In 25 years time they should have some good forwards out of that.
Very good! Could ye send Lee Keegan up to Armagh as well because we need a few defenders!
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had ample opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 14, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Here McStay you wee w**ker, Derry have been to 2 finals!!
Not with Brolly in the side you haven't
Quote from: Aughafad on September 14, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had amble opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
Ah now ! A lot of people in fairness called out Brolly for his attack on Cavanagh, I think that was the start of his downfall in RTÉ .
Fact is, he has become a lot more insidious and nasty in relation to Mayo footballers in the recent past.
These are young men who are amateurs , not Premiership footballers where they have a fat salary to go with the abuse.
First and foremost hard luck to the Mayo lads, Mayo played their brilliant part in a tough, nervy game and the penalty another day, and the wides was their side of the defeat, otherwise I felt our lads deserved it and took the key scores at the key times, our running defence and half forwards and man to man football was key. It was a brilliant season and feels like 03 that we will improve for next year. Lads the online treatment and commentary on O Shea is and for years has been a disgrace. In my opinion Brolly was wrong and Mc Stay pulled him on it.. He is right to do so, as a Mayo man. As a fellow Gael you have to be concerned at the way online behaves when the mob feel someone needs taken down. Tyrone have dealt with this for years. Who cares that Derry have been to 2 all Ireland finals. That is not the the important point here. We stand up to this or we let it happen. Mc Stay felt it was right to stand up to it. Mayo now need to refuse to talk about the past, just the future..as they will be reminded of these final losses for years to come. Control their own narrative.
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Quote from: Keyser soze on September 14, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Here McStay you wee w**ker, Derry have been to 2 finals!!
Not with Brolly in the side you haven't
Just as well, not sure how Brolly would have coped in the pre text 1958 world. "As news came over the wireless of another Derry wide, a carrier pigeon flew in through the window, 'Jim McKeever is shite'".
McStay is right to call him out as the latest Mayo piece was particularly mean spirited. But he is full of it anyway. I remember reading that the Derry team in 1993 didn't listen to Joe. I don't know why the rest of us since bother.
Tbh he can be pretty poisonous and that whole RTÉ survey stuff etc he does on Twitter shows how spiteful he can be.
Mayo didn't have a good day but they didn't go out to give anything other than their best. That's sport. They should hardly be hammered for it.
I think it's about time RTE had a clear out of football commentators, be that Spillane, MM, Kavanagh, McStay, Whelan and o'rourke.
Sky beats them every time when it comes to Football coverage, be that ex-players or proper journalists examining and breaking down the game instead or bullshit stories, personal attacks, "back in the day" diatribes and the same old platitudes.
From a northern perspective Oisin is very good but thats about it
Some posters< >the joke about Derry AI finals
Quote from: Aughafad on September 14, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had ample opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
If someone attacks one of your own it is much more likely that you will jump to their defence than a player from another county. On that basis I'm sure that you think that Tyrone GAA media personalities should be lambasting Brolly now over comments made about O'Shea and O'Horan then? I've yet to see any of them do so and nor do I expect that they will.
I don't think they ever even bother talking about him tbh. I imagine Dooher, Logan etc couldn't give a crap about him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 14, 2021, 01:40:57 PM
I don't think they ever even bother talking about him tbh. I imagine Dooher, Logan etc couldn't give a crap about him.
Yes they wouldn't, Brolly craves attention and will always attack the hot topic which was another All-Ireland final loss for Mayo and attack one of their most high profile players for losing it. I have no doubt Joe is delighted that McStay gave him a mention in the Irish Times.
It is amazing what can be achieved when you go out with an ambition to win rather than not to lose. That extra pep in your step. Go long, take a risk, look for the extra pass to create the goal chance. Fantastic. Brilliant to watch. We were well worth our victory. We got our match ups right and rather than Mayo playing poorly we didn't allow them to play well and there is a difference. We controlled how the game panned out. It was not down to Mayo but down to us and how we managed the game.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
+1
One of the best articles I've read, and I've read many since Saturdays game
Enjoy listening to McStay, he is passionate but never goes full Brolly or Spillane. And as has been said above, he's walked the line. Brolly hasn't and I doubt he ever will.
And I know I'm adding to his oxegen, but the man is a complete clown in his columns. Cavanagh, Skinner, O'Shea etc, all at the receiving end of his venum.
The article, re Mayo : 'Time wasters', 'embarrassing', 'this contest was over before it even began'... Absolute garage, real gutter press writing seeking attention.
At a national level, there's only one like Brolly, and thank god, for these players are all club / community men, amateurs, volunteers. They don't deserve to be getting both barrels from Brolly. The Daily Mail would suit him.
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Quote from: Aughafad on September 14, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had amble opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
Ah now ! A lot of people in fairness called out Brolly for his attack on Cavanagh, I think that was the start of his downfall in RTÉ .
Fact is, he has become a lot more insidious and nasty in relation to Mayo footballers in the recent past.
These are young men who are amateurs , not Premiership footballers where they have a fat salary to go with the abuse.
They are the easy target for losing a number of finals. Narcissists do that, pick on easy prey. You have to wonder if Brollys personal insults/attacks is to disguise the lack of success in his own career as a county footballer. His record doesn't stand up to other pundits like Spillane, O'Rourke, Tomas O'Se, Cooper.
Whatever about Mayo's failures to get over the line, they have come back year after year, regularly competing for AI's. They are amateurs, giving their time and effort, and have given their supporters some great days. Some heartbreaking ones too. But I'd love for us to be competing annually in the latter stages like Mayo.
More than one Brolly. Both Spillane and ORourke have also gone on public agenda driven personal attacks against players. They may not do it as often but the effect on their victim is just as strongly felt.
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Quote from: Halfquarter on September 14, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on September 14, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had amble opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
Ah now ! A lot of people in fairness called out Brolly for his attack on Cavanagh, I think that was the start of his downfall in RTÉ .
Fact is, he has become a lot more insidious and nasty in relation to Mayo footballers in the recent past.
These are young men who are amateurs , not Premiership footballers where they have a fat salary to go with the abuse.
They are the easy target for losing a number of finals. Narcissists do that, pick on easy prey. You have to wonder if Brollys personal insults/attacks is to disguise the lack of success in his own career as a county footballer. His record doesn't stand up to other pundits like Spillane, O'Rourke, Tomas O'Se, Cooper.
Whatever about Mayo's failures to get over the line, they have come back year after year, regularly competing for AI's. They are amateurs, giving their time and effort, and have given their supporters some great days. Some heartbreaking ones too. But I'd love for us to be competing annually in the latter stages like Mayo.
I think he knows that they are just easy prey and won't hit back, its the classic action of a bully with a pen. Neither Dooher, Logan, McGeeney or any of them managers from his own era and closer to home would tolerate that bullshit and he knows that they would rightly call him out were he ever to have a go at them. That is why I am glad that at least McStay had the balls to call him out over it but I know that many others won't and will just shrug it off by saying 'ah thats just Joe' or by trying to brush it off by saying that he is best ignored. When really they are just afraid to call it out for what it is.
Ah McStay, He's no fool. Always pragmatic when Mayo loses another All Ireland. He knows how to plámás the situation. He's a long time on the Sunday Game, gets a lot of the co-commentary gigs. Like most RTE co-commentators he won't rock the boat. He's a safe bet! You have a employee who rolls along, uses the modern jargon like offensive play, high push, percentage score, etc. You know, I almost feel McStay introduced most of this new lingo to the game. Unlike Spillane and O'Rourke he looks further than soundbites and irrelevant stats. But they will always get the limelight because they criticise and belittle. And we as a nation sort of like that. We like to see a dog kicked when they are down especially a rival dog or a dog who got a bit full of himself.
I used to read McStay when he wrote in the local Newspaper 'The Mayo News'. His articles on reflection seem the same as now, I bet one could cut and paste one of those from 10-15 years ago and no-one would notice the difference. The only difference is he has grown indifferent to Mayo football since 2014. It can be noticed in what he does not say more so in what he says. And maybe who can blame him?
Jonny Doyle is a fella I like listening to on the podcasts. A fine player, plenty of insight and just a good feel for the game and the players. It would be great to see some new faces. It's tiresome watching Spillane and Kavanagh interrupt each other. O'Rourke, McStay and Whelan couldn't complain if fresh faces came in.
I like the time the brothers of a well known Mayo player back in the 90s were going to batter Spillane up in Croke Park, and Martin Carney had to smuggle him out of the stadium in the boot of his car
Quote from: Sportacus on September 14, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
Jonny Doyle is a fella I like listening to on the podcasts. A fine player, plenty of insight and just a good feel for the game and the players. It would be great to see some new faces. It's tiresome watching Spillane and Kavanagh interrupt each other. O'Rourke, McStay and Whelan couldn't complain if fresh faces came in.
Johnny Doyle is excelleny but he may be needed in the Kildarw management team
RTE need to do a complete clear out of their commentary teams and pundits, including Cantwell.
Of the current panel, the only ones I would keep are O'Se and Cooper (even though both are Kerry).
Everyone else is dire.
The format needs refreshed imo as it's just tired.
Spillane, McStay, Cavanagh, Whelan....all tripe and soundbites. I don't mind O'Rourke so much but he's rarely on these days).
I've no idea what the Sky coverage is like as I don't have sky and don't agree with a paid for service like that, but it couldn't be any worse than RTE.
I'd love to see the likes of Marty Clarke on RTE. Johnny Doyle could be a good shout. Dessie Dolan seemed to be there for a while and wasn't the worst.
It would be better I think if they had recently retired players only and change it up every year or two. Would keep it fresh. I know you could say Cavanagh fits that profile, but I think he's rubbish and never has anything insightful to say and stutters too much. My opinion only.
As for Joanne cantwell....there has to be a more natural presenter than her. Everything is so scripted with her and it just feels contrived and boring.
As for Mayo - I kind of agree that they were only allowed to play the game on Tyrone terms, but I also believe that they are hamstrung by the fear of losing now given what has happened. Easier to say than do, but they need to play with the confidence of winners and they don't have that confidence as a team or management. Tyrone on the other hand, always play with a swagger where they believe they can win even if they have no right to (not a criticism). It's why they keep surprising people. Their own self belief or arrogance has driven them on many times now....perhaps that's part of why 31 other counties love to see them beat ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2021, 10:41:25 AM
RTE need to do a complete clear out of their commentary teams and pundits, including Cantwell.
Of the current panel, the only ones I would keep are O'Se and Cooper (even though both are Kerry).
Everyone else is dire.
The format needs refreshed imo as it's just tired.
Spillane, McStay, Cavanagh, Whelan....all tripe and soundbites. I don't mind O'Rourke so much but he's rarely on these days).
I've no idea what the Sky coverage is like as I don't have sky and don't agree with a paid for service like that, but it couldn't be any worse than RTE.
I'd love to see the likes of Marty Clarke on RTE. Johnny Doyle could be a good shout. Dessie Dolan seemed to be there for a while and wasn't the worst.
It would be better I think if they had recently retired players only and change it up every year or two. Would keep it fresh. I know you could say Cavanagh fits that profile, but I think he's rubbish and never has anything insightful to say and stutters too much. My opinion only.
As for Joanne cantwell....there has to be a more natural presenter than her. Everything is so scripted with her and it just feels contrived and boring.
As for Mayo - I kind of agree that they were only allowed to play the game on Tyrone terms, but I also believe that they are hamstrung by the fear of losing now given what has happened. Easier to say than do, but they need to play with the confidence of winners and they don't have that confidence as a team or management. Tyrone on the other hand, always play with a swagger where they believe they can win even if they have no right to (not a criticism). It's why they keep surprising people. Their own self belief or arrogance has driven them on many times now....perhaps that's part of why 31 other counties love to see them beat ;D
Sky coverage is well ahead of RTE, they do have better analysis, but in general there is just a different tone to it. RTE seem to want to cater to the casual fan who just tunes in to hear a few sound bites and controversial comments. I feel sky try and go into a bit more depth than that looking at tactics etc. Canavan, McGuiness and Donaghy are all well ahead of anyone on RTE.
Enda McGinley is generally excellent on any of the podcasts he has been on lately, but then a podcast is a very different format to live on national TV.
McConville is generally good, except when tryone are playing as he just cant hide his dislike for them no matter how hard he tries!
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Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2021, 10:41:25 AM
RTE need to do a complete clear out of their commentary teams and pundits, including Cantwell.
Of the current panel, the only ones I would keep are O'Se and Cooper (even though both are Kerry).
Everyone else is dire.
The format needs refreshed imo as it's just tired.
Spillane, McStay, Cavanagh, Whelan....all tripe and soundbites. I don't mind O'Rourke so much but he's rarely on these days).
I've no idea what the Sky coverage is like as I don't have sky and don't agree with a paid for service like that, but it couldn't be any worse than RTE.
I'd love to see the likes of Marty Clarke on RTE. Johnny Doyle could be a good shout. Dessie Dolan seemed to be there for a while and wasn't the worst.
It would be better I think if they had recently retired players only and change it up every year or two. Would keep it fresh. I know you could say Cavanagh fits that profile, but I think he's rubbish and never has anything insightful to say and stutters too much. My opinion only.
As for Joanne cantwell....there has to be a more natural presenter than her. Everything is so scripted with her and it just feels contrived and boring.
As for Mayo - I kind of agree that they were only allowed to play the game on Tyrone terms, but I also believe that they are hamstrung by the fear of losing now given what has happened. Easier to say than do, but they need to play with the confidence of winners and they don't have that confidence as a team or management. Tyrone on the other hand, always play with a swagger where they believe they can win even if they have no right to (not a criticism). It's why they keep surprising people. Their own self belief or arrogance has driven them on many times now....perhaps that's part of why 31 other counties love to see them beat ;D
Sky coverage is well ahead of RTE, they do have better analysis, but in general there is just a different tone to it. RTE seem to want to cater to the casual fan who just tunes in to hear a few sound bites and controversial comments. I feel sky try and go into a bit more depth than that looking at tactics etc. Canavan, McGuiness and Donaghy are all well ahead of anyone on RTE.
Enda McGinley is generally excellent on any of the podcasts he has been on lately, but then a podcast is a very different format to live on national TV.
McConville is generally good, except when tryone are playing as he just cant hide his dislike for them no matter how hard he tries!
There was a time I would fully swerve the pre-match shite talk and mute during half time, but of late have picked up some of the Sky coverage and I have to admit its very good, and when compared to what RTE seem to be doing they are light years ahead of those Neanderthals.
I personally cannot stand McStay. He is another lazy commentator that only knows a bit about the bigger teams and is quite condescending towards everyone else. Dessie Dolan is dire. Tomas O Shea knows the game but is also lazy and knows his two players from each team in the country and that is it. SKY are miles ahead of RTE in every facet. The only one on RTE who has a clue is Oisin McConville. I though the BBC coverage was also very good, having Harte and McConville was great.
McStay ripped into Tyrone for cynical tactics and gamesmanship a few short months before taking that exact approach as manager of St Brigids in their win over Crossmaglen. Standard antics. His article this week on the final was very good though.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 15, 2021, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2021, 10:41:25 AM
RTE need to do a complete clear out of their commentary teams and pundits, including Cantwell.
Of the current panel, the only ones I would keep are O'Se and Cooper (even though both are Kerry).
Everyone else is dire.
The format needs refreshed imo as it's just tired.
Spillane, McStay, Cavanagh, Whelan....all tripe and soundbites. I don't mind O'Rourke so much but he's rarely on these days).
I've no idea what the Sky coverage is like as I don't have sky and don't agree with a paid for service like that, but it couldn't be any worse than RTE.
I'd love to see the likes of Marty Clarke on RTE. Johnny Doyle could be a good shout. Dessie Dolan seemed to be there for a while and wasn't the worst.
It would be better I think if they had recently retired players only and change it up every year or two. Would keep it fresh. I know you could say Cavanagh fits that profile, but I think he's rubbish and never has anything insightful to say and stutters too much. My opinion only.
As for Joanne cantwell....there has to be a more natural presenter than her. Everything is so scripted with her and it just feels contrived and boring.
As for Mayo - I kind of agree that they were only allowed to play the game on Tyrone terms, but I also believe that they are hamstrung by the fear of losing now given what has happened. Easier to say than do, but they need to play with the confidence of winners and they don't have that confidence as a team or management. Tyrone on the other hand, always play with a swagger where they believe they can win even if they have no right to (not a criticism). It's why they keep surprising people. Their own self belief or arrogance has driven them on many times now....perhaps that's part of why 31 other counties love to see them beat ;D
Sky coverage is well ahead of RTE, they do have better analysis, but in general there is just a different tone to it. RTE seem to want to cater to the casual fan who just tunes in to hear a few sound bites and controversial comments. I feel sky try and go into a bit more depth than that looking at tactics etc. Canavan, McGuiness and Donaghy are all well ahead of anyone on RTE.
Enda McGinley is generally excellent on any of the podcasts he has been on lately, but then a podcast is a very different format to live on national TV.
McConville is generally good, except when tryone are playing as he just cant hide his dislike for them no matter how hard he tries!
Can't say I ever sensed that from Oisin.
Mickey Harte is good enough but he tends to get very defensive and a bit hysterical about Tyrone, like Cavanagh does on RTE. That cat fighting between Cavanagh and Spillane during the semi final was brutal viewing. Like two children high on sweets at a birthday party.
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That's a very honest article by McStay, have always thought he was one of the better pundits working in the media and he has walked the line so has seen the GAA from every side.
He makes particularly good points about how Mayo seem to produce an abundance of athletic running type footballers but very few final third finishers. Also raised an interesting statistic about how Mayo had 8 wides, a missed penalty and 2 balls dropped short in the final third of the match. That is a meltdown of bad decision making by anybodys standards.
I'm also glad that somebody from within Mayo football has finally had a go back at Brolly after he stuck the boot in again the morning after an AI final defeat. He needs to be challenged on those personal attacks but a lot are afraid to get drawn in and speak out about it.
Where was McStay's statement on the personal abuse brolly doled out to Cavanagh a few years ago? Not much use calling out that type of personal attack only when it hits close to home. He has had amble opportunities and a TV platform to call Brolly out previously but failed to do so.
Ah now ! A lot of people in fairness called out Brolly for his attack on Cavanagh, I think that was the start of his downfall in RTÉ .
Fact is, he has become a lot more insidious and nasty in relation to Mayo footballers in the recent past.
These are young men who are amateurs , not Premiership footballers where they have a fat salary to go with the abuse.
They are the easy target for losing a number of finals. Narcissists do that, pick on easy prey. You have to wonder if Brollys personal insults/attacks is to disguise the lack of success in his own career as a county footballer. His record doesn't stand up to other pundits like Spillane, O'Rourke, Tomas O'Se, Cooper.
Whatever about Mayo's failures to get over the line, they have come back year after year, regularly competing for AI's. They are amateurs, giving their time and effort, and have given their supporters some great days. Some heartbreaking ones too. But I'd love for us to be competing annually in the latter stages like Mayo.
Getting to finals is great but losing them repeatedly is not
Mullane
https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1198446/
I find it's very difficult, even doing the
radio, in around the All-Ireland finals," the De La Salle man said.
"You do be saying, 'Jesus I would have loved to have gotten over the line just once'.
"It's a nice second or a nice third after winning a Munster Championship, but I would give up all five of them for one All-Ireland medal. It's the ultimate prize at the end of the day.
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
They are certainly not favourites but all things being equal they have probably now been elevated to being the third best team in Ireland on the back of what they have achieved this season. That will be dependent on the structure that the championship takes though. If it moves away from the provincial structure then that will benefit Tyrone and the other Ulster counties.
I think they could easily improve next season (and I think they will) but yet that might not be enough. They will carry the extra confidence from being champions and players like McShane, Canavan and McKenna have plenty of scope for improvement on this years form. Also the shortened nature of the last 2 seasons should reduce any possible player burnout that might have arisen from a normal 9 month season. They will have the added motivation of trying to draw level with Down and Cavan and also retaining the title for the first time. It will help having Dooher as part of the management team since he was part of previous Tyrone teams who dipped badly the year after winning AI titles in the past.
However opposition teams will also have them scrutinised to a greater degree even though I think they will probably evolve further themselves. That is part of what made Dublin great. The fact that opponents looked at them studiously for years yet never worked out a way to beat them tactically. Indeed that appeared to be a large part of Kerrys downfall in 2020, the fact that they almost tailored their entire gameplan trying to prepare for Dublin instead of just taking it game by game and focusing on the opposition in front of them.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
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Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 14, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
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Quote from: Halfquarter on September 14, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson
This seem to be your motto.
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Quote from: Halfquarter on September 14, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson
This seem to be your motto.
;D was thinking the very same. O'Shea should put the weights down, join this forum and pretend he's from Dublin. Time better spent by the sounds of it.
What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?
I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.
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It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
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Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh tonight.
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Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
They have beat Kerry in two all Ireland finals and in the semi in another two and beat Dublin on the way to one so connoisseurs have been beaten.
Down just haven't got it at the minute. They are miles off and by the look of it will be for a long time. They are further off than Galway...
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
That's as bad a take as you could hope to see.
Ulster football pre 1950 was essentially Cavan running riot. When Tyrone won their first Ulster title in 1956, Cavan were on 33. Since then because the rest of Ulster have their house in order Cavan have only added 6 to Tyrone's 16.
So anyway, we're joint second now in Ulster titles and just 1 AI behind Cavan and Down. I know I'd be optimistic about us picking up our next one before either of those teams regardless of how long it takes.
Can we catch Cavan for Ulster titles, who knows, but not in our lifetimes thank god because we now have an actual competitive championship which means something to the teams in it and the fans.
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Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
So Tyrones AI titles in 2003 and 2021 don't mean as much because they didn't beat Dublin or Kerry in the final?
There you go then, more All Ireland's with an asterisk ;D
2003 - handy All Ireland
2005 - a back door All Ireland
2008 - another back door All Ireland
2021 - the Covid bluff All Ireland
You might as well say Tyrone have never yet won the All Ireland
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Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
Did they not beat Kerry in 05 and 08? Thats above beating Dublin (certainly was then anyway)
Every year they have won an ai they have beat Kerry.
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Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
So Tyrones AI titles in 2003 and 2021 don't mean as much because they didn't beat Dublin or Kerry in the final?
There you go then, more All Ireland's with an asterisk ;D
2003 - handy All Ireland
2005 - a back door All Ireland
2008 - another back door All Ireland
2021 - the Covid bluff All Ireland
You might as well say Tyrone have never yet won the All Ireland
Yes lets go with this.
No such thing as an easy All Ireland and it doesn't matter who you beat enroute. But the All Ireland that Dublin won in 2020 must go down as the softest win in recent history.
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Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 15, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
So Tyrones AI titles in 2003 and 2021 don't mean as much because they didn't beat Dublin or Kerry in the final?
There you go then, more All Ireland's with an asterisk ;D
2003 - handy All Ireland
2005 - a back door All Ireland
2008 - another back door All Ireland
2021 - the Covid bluff All Ireland
You might as well say Tyrone have never yet won the All Ireland
Nobody remembers who you beat , but they know how many times youve won it
Down wont win Sam in the next 20 years ! Complete shambles
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It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
They have beat Kerry in two all Ireland finals and in the semi in another two and beat Dublin on the way to one so connoisseurs have been beaten.
Down just haven't got it at the minute. They are miles off and by the look of it will be for a long time. They are further off than Galway...
Two! 05 and 08 quarter finals. Maybe they'll say they don't count because quarter finals didn't exist until 2002 or whatever. Ahhhh I can't keep track of what doesn't count anymore.
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It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
They have beat Kerry in two all Ireland finals and in the semi in another two and beat Dublin on the way to one so connoisseurs have been beaten.
Down just haven't got it at the minute. They are miles off and by the look of it will be for a long time. They are further off than Galway...
Two! 05 and 08 quarter finals. Maybe they'll say they don't count because quarter finals didn't exist until 2002 or whatever. Ahhhh I can't keep track of what doesn't count anymore.
Tyrone's All Ireland's. But you knew that already ;D
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 15, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next year can Tyrone finally do 2 years back-to-back. Even getting to the final in consecutive years would be a new horizon for them. Cavan and Down are the only 2 Ulster counties who've managed to retain Sam Maguire so it's now 60 years since an Ulster county has done so.
Good teams win Sam Maguire. Great teams retain Sam Maguire.
Tyrone would have a long way to go to be spoken off in the echelons of Ulster aristocracy.
Tyrone are one behind Cavan & Down in titles. They'll soon be overtaking them !
Cavan won their last Sam in the 50s and owe their success to the establishment of Norn Irn , the shock that followed and the lack of competition in Ulster. So Tyrone may pass them out.
Down are different. They didn't require any artificial political stimulants. They won't be stuck on 5. If Tyrone pass them out they will respond in due course.
Did Tyrone ever beat Dublin in an all Ireland final ? For connoisseurs of the game, beating Dublin would rate well above beating Armagh and Mayo.
Down aren't going to win an All Ireland any time soon. They will be stuck on 5 for a few decades at least.
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Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson[/b]
This seem to be your motto.
Thats bollocks mate.
Homer in fact said 'if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing'
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 15, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?
I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.
Agreed, hes not the man to win it. I said there was probably no point in him coming back if he hadn't changed the very obvious flaws that he had, on top of alot of good dont get me wrong. His flaws:
1. Having no tactical plan for the opposition, just play "our way" that works to a point but will always be found out eventually
2. Refusing to listen to anyone else, you could see it again Saturday, selectors giving him advice and he just ignoring it. Who does that? I expect some of them to walk away now.
I cant for the life of me, well I probably know its because JH is too stubborn, why the f**k didnt he look for some help from Stephen Rochford? Hes the only man who has actually got us to the point of having a legitimate chance of winning it and is Mr Tactics. If he had been invited to contribute to a tactical plan and been listened to, Mayo would have won on Saturday.
Aidan O'Shea on Kieran Donaghy? JH wouldn't do that in a million years.
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Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson[/b]
This seem to be your motto.
Thats bollocks mate.
Homer in fact said 'if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing'
He may have said both quotes.
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What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?
I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.
Agreed, hes not the man to win it. I said there was probably no point in him coming back if he hadn't changed the very obvious flaws that he had, on top of alot of good dont get me wrong. His flaws:
1. Having no tactical plan for the opposition, just play "our way" that works to a point but will always be found out eventually
2. Refusing to listen to anyone else, you could see it again Saturday, selectors giving him advice and he just ignoring it. Who does that? I expect some of them to walk away now.
I cant for the life of me, well I probably know its because JH is too stubborn, why the f**k didnt he look for some help from Stephen Rochford? Hes the only man who has actually got us to the point of having a legitimate chance of winning it and is Mr Tactics. If he had been invited to contribute to a tactical plan and been listened to, Mayo would have won on Saturday.
Aidan O'Shea on Kieran Donaghy? JH wouldn't do that in a million years.
Did you fancy Mayo with such a big turn over in personal (and no COC for 1 championship) to reach the last 2 finals on the bounce? I certainly didn't, but they did with Horan at the helm.
It's been mentioned on here several times since the 2 semis and finals, win a tight knock out game and you're great, lose and you're shite.
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Phenomenal, and then the bit in bold. That's your opinion. COC back next year, Doherty too, the forwards a year wiser.
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Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Phenomenal, and then the bit in bold. That's your opinion. COC back next year, Doherty too, the forwards a year wiser.
My issue with JH is that he seems to make some very poor decisions on the line when they are under pressure.
Taking O'Hora off when he was one of the few Mayo players pushing up seemed bizarre to me.
He doesn't seem to know where or how to play O'Se and only seems to have a plan A in terms of how they approach each game.
But realistically, who would you replace him with that is an improvement? He obviously prepares them very well and is consistent enough to keep them in that top bracket of teams.
It's difficult to know where to go from a Mayo perspective. They should improve over the next year or two, with COC back and some more maturity from the new guys, so who knows! Perhaps they need to refresh or add to the backroom team? Or perhaps they just need some more time.
Been reading and listening about the final a lot and the narrative is that Mayo had 4 goal chances taking none and Tyrone had 2 and took both.
Conor Loftus should have picked the ball up and scored his but what a clearance from Sludden. McCurry had his first goal chance but what a save from Hennelly. O'shea"s was a half chance and no better than the shot saved from Canavan near the end and the rebound fisted over by McCurry.
Tommy Conroy ran through and shot for goal while from a similar position canavan fisted over. Mayo also had the penalty......so by my reckoning Tyrone had 5 goal chance and scored 2 2!
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No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Phenomenal, and then the bit in bold. That's your opinion. COC back next year, Doherty too, the forwards a year wiser.
My issue with JH is that he seems to make some very poor decisions on the line when they are under pressure.
Taking O'Hora off when he was one of the few Mayo players pushing up seemed bizarre to me.
He doesn't seem to know where or how to play O'Se and only seems to have a plan A in terms of how they approach each game.
But realistically, who would you replace him with that is an improvement? He obviously prepares them very well and is consistent enough to keep them in that top bracket of teams.
It's difficult to know where to go from a Mayo perspective. They should improve over the next year or two, with COC back and some more maturity from the new guys, so who knows! Perhaps they need to refresh or add to the backroom team? Or perhaps they just need some more time.
I get your point in bold however he made a call by taking of AOS in the semi and look how that turned out?
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Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Phenomenal, and then the bit in bold. That's your opinion. COC back next year, Doherty too, the forwards a year wiser.
My issue with JH is that he seems to make some very poor decisions on the line when they are under pressure.
Taking O'Hora off when he was one of the few Mayo players pushing up seemed bizarre to me.
He doesn't seem to know where or how to play O'Se and only seems to have a plan A in terms of how they approach each game.
But realistically, who would you replace him with that is an improvement? He obviously prepares them very well and is consistent enough to keep them in that top bracket of teams.
It's difficult to know where to go from a Mayo perspective. They should improve over the next year or two, with COC back and some more maturity from the new guys, so who knows! Perhaps they need to refresh or add to the backroom team? Or perhaps they just need some more time.
I get your point in bold however he made a call by taking of AOS in the semi and look how that turned out?
And then didnt do the same thing in the final and look what happened...
Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
The last year without Horan as manager ended in a qualifier defeat to Kildare. That's where Mayo could go again when thinking about a manager change.
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Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson[/b]
This seem to be your motto.
Thats bollocks mate.
Homer in fact said 'if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing'
He may have said both quotes.
Homer also said 'it's ironic that your username is sensethetone and you completely missed the flippant nature of that post' ;-)
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Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson[/b]
This seem to be your motto.
Thats bollocks mate.
Homer in fact said 'if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing'
He may have said both quotes.
Homer also said 'it's ironic that your username is sensethetone and you completely missed the flippant nature of that post' ;-)
I still think he said both..
Quote from: JoG2 on September 16, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.
Phenomenal, and then the bit in bold. That's your opinion. COC back next year, Doherty too, the forwards a year wiser.
Well he is phenomenal to be fair to him, his record by any standard is just that. Semi finals in each of his years, but hes got an issue with tactics and his teams have completely underperformed in 3 finals now. Rochford lost 2 but had the team very well prepared tactically and I think the general consensus was that most of those teams performed to the peak of their powers on the day. Thats all you can ask. It looks like JH will keep the team in the top 3 to 4 but he wont win it. Its been 70 fecken years, 3rd or 4th is no good anymore.
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Kevin McStay
Here's a story. O'Shea lost his fifth final on Saturday, December 19th, 2020. He didn't score. Dublin won with no undue fuss. On Monday, January 18th 2021 a friend of mine had a meeting with a sports consultant in the Sism gym in Castlebar. It is run by a member of the Mayo backroom team. It was a wet damp old morning and as he went into the office, my friend spotted O'Shea doing a weights session. He had started back the week before. People don't see that side of it. He has been doing this for a decade. Joe doesn't see that. Up to recently, Aidan O'Shea hadn't missed a game for Mayo in 10 years. I imagine that he won't miss many next summer either.
Does he not realise how bad that makes O'Shea look? All that effort and he hasn't improved one bit as a player since 2012.
''Trying is the first step toward failure'' Homer Simpson
This seem to be your motto.
;D was thinking the very same. O'Shea should put the weights down, join this forum and pretend he's from Dublin. Time better spent by the sounds of it.
One thing that struck me about O'Shea when i watched it back; second half throw in, he wins a free - but instead of dropping it and leaving it for someone else, while he goes forward to where the ball might land, he tries an outside the boot kick which goes 40 yards to a Tyrone defender with no Mayo man within 10 yards of the ball.
Not a surprise, he is not a good kicker of the ball - but why oh why did he even try to kick it.
Every f*cking time - and that is before we get to his ability slowing the ball down when he gets it, always taking a hop and solo as he has no idea what to do with it.
Also, at one stage in H1, he gets a pass back on his own 14 - so of course off he sets soloing it out of defence like Keith Higgins without the pace but it looks great to the uninitiated, and then is wrecked by the time he gets to midfield and paws it off.
Less gym and more ball and speed would be the way for Aidan.
AOS just needed to look to his left for that free, Conor Loftus was unmarked out on the wing, simple 20 yard pass was on, he never looked, queue boost to Tyrone, they are on the attack.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 15, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?
I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.
Frustration is the word I'd use. There's no doubting Horan's strengths as a manager, great at developing young players, great at instilling confidence in a group, great at getting buy-in from the players.
But when it comes to learning from mistakes....
The scorelines Mayo have conceded in the 4 finals that he's been in charge look like this:
2021: 2-14
2020: 2-14
2013: 2-12
2012: 2-11
Dublin conceded too many goals in the 2014 semi final loss to Donegal. They sure as f**k wern't going to make that mistake again and from that day on they made sure they always had an extra defender back blocking that central channel.
Unless Horan fundamentally changes his tactical approach and implements a proper system that prevents goals then we are not going to get over the line. Unfortunately I just can't see Horan changing at this point.
He's given us some unbelievable days over the last decade but at this stage I have no interest in getting to another final unless we are going to win the f**cking thing.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 15, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?
I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.
Frustration is the word I'd use. There's no doubting Horan's strengths as a manager, great at developing young players, great at instilling confidence in a group, great at getting buy-in from the players.
But when it comes to learning from mistakes....
The scorelines Mayo have conceded in the 4 finals that he's been in charge look like this:
2021: 2-14
2020: 2-14
2013: 2-12
2012: 2-11
Dublin conceded too many goals in the 2014 semi final loss to Donegal. They sure as f**k wern't going to make that mistake again and from that day on they made sure they always had an extra defender back blocking that central channel.
Unless Horan fundamentally changes his tactical approach and implements a proper system that prevents goals then we are not going to get over the line. Unfortunately I just can't see Horan changing at this point.
He's given us some unbelievable days over the last decade but at this stage I have no interest in getting to another final unless we are going to win the f**cking thing.
The biggest problem I'd see is the lack of ability to finish off clear cut goal chances. A penalty miss, a tap in from 7 or 8 yards out missed by loftus, conroy's miss when he should've steadied himself and O'Shea failing to throw an easy dummy to give himself a tap in. Any 2 of those would've been enough to give Mayo a winning score. When I think of Mayo I always think the weakness is in the forwards. If you become more defensive it just takes away more from a weak forward line.
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
I don't think Mayo need to go full blanket or anything but all the top teams have at least one extra man back covering space. I thought Frank Burns did a great job like this for Tyrone in the final. The amount of space in front of the Mayo full back line had to be seen to be believed. When I saw the McCurry goal chance in the first half, I'd a feeling we'd see Tyrone goals in the 2nd half.
I agree about the lack of ability in some of our forwards, it's just that even if we scored one of those goal chances, I wouldn't have been confident about closing the game out and not conceding goals at the other end.
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Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
Ahh got ya, yeah that's a totally fair shout.
There seems to be a vibe from the Tyrone players about feeling a lot freer this year. They're careful not to slight Mickey but it's fairly obvious this year's management decision was spot on by Tyrone. Mickey did 90% of the spadework though. It was good to see that he was in Armagh on Sat night.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
There seems to be a vibe from the Tyrone players about feeling a lot freer this year. They're careful not to slight Mickey but it's fairly obvious this year's management decision was spot on by Tyrone. Mickey did 90% of the spadework though. It was good to see that he was in Armagh on Sat night.
For sure
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
There seems to be a vibe from the Tyrone players about feeling a lot freer this year. They're careful not to slight Mickey but it's fairly obvious this year's management decision was spot on by Tyrone. Mickey did 90% of the spadework though. It was good to see that he was in Armagh on Sat night.
Which all seems to point to the conclusion that while he was bringing them forward he was also holding them back. And you'd have to wonder how long he was holding them back.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
There seems to be a vibe from the Tyrone players about feeling a lot freer this year. They're careful not to slight Mickey but it's fairly obvious this year's management decision was spot on by Tyrone. Mickey did 90% of the spadework though. It was good to see that he was in Armagh on Sat night.
Could you argue that Art and Eugene did 90% of the spadework pre-2003?
They play differently but Mcgeary and Harte to defense are a big change. Canavan a year older, McKenna a bit better, Mc curry playing more.
Tbh I agree on 2018. Maybe they would have done a bit better but Dublin still the best team for years.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2021, 08:49:47 AM
They play differently but Mcgeary and Harte to defense are a big change. Canavan a year older, McKenna a bit better, Mc curry playing more.
Tbh I agree on 2018. Maybe they would have done a bit better but Dublin still the best team for years.
Wouldn't be so sure. While they may not have won they would give it a good rattle if dooher and Co were the managers. Colm cavanagh even said himself once tyrone went 5-1 up within the first 15 mins they didn't know what to do as they hadn't planned to be leading.
What kind of managment is that when a team doesn't expect to be leading? Think harte came at that game with a negative mindset which fed into the players. Now the players are far more confident and have belief in their ability.
About that time though O'Sullivan came off and it just became a different game.
If Dooher and Logan had been managing during the years of Dublin's dominance they would have won nothing either. Tyrone have not improved any from what I can see, the quality from the other teams ie Dublin and Mayo just isn't there to the same level as previous years, all Tyrone had to do was stay at their previous level to be the best.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2021, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
There seems to be a vibe from the Tyrone players about feeling a lot freer this year. They're careful not to slight Mickey but it's fairly obvious this year's management decision was spot on by Tyrone. Mickey did 90% of the spadework though. It was good to see that he was in Armagh on Sat night.
Could you argue that Art and Eugene did 90% of the spadework pre-2003?
I dunno, the main reason Tyrone did well from 2003 on was due to that core group of players that were essentially developed by Harte from 97 onwards in the various underage teams.
As for holding Tyrone back, for most of the noughties Tyrone played the same way all the time. There was no potency in attack and which resulted in very few goals scored. Rarely did you see a Tyrone corner forward come onto the ball and spin his man, put the head down and go direct to goal. It was all about playing the percentages, where the corner forward came rushing toward the ball and instead of following their instinct, they continued their run out and off loaded it to a player coming in who would go for the point. I think a few players have also alluded to the fact that they are now encourage to take risks, whereas under Harte if they did that they knew the curly finger was coming out. I don't think its a coincidence that the talisman from each of the 2004, 2008 and 2010 All Ireland winning minor teams never thrived at senior level. These players took the risks at underage level, played on instinct and ultimately thrived because of this. However, come senior level this approach was not promoted and this curtailed their effectiveness, in my opinion.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2021, 08:49:47 AM
They play differently but Mcgeary and Harte to defense are a big change. Canavan a year older, McKenna a bit better, Mc curry playing more.
Tbh I agree on 2018. Maybe they would have done a bit better but Dublin still the best team for years.
Would a massive change not be the faith put in 2 natural midfielders. Harte never trusted or stuck with midfielders. Logan has stuck with the 2 men this year even when they weren't playing that well and it paid off when they played really well in the final. Those 2 gave Tyrone the option to go really long with kickouts instead of the constant shorts under Harte.
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 17, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
If Dooher and Logan had been managing during the years of Dublin's dominance they would have won nothing either. Tyrone have not improved any from what I can see, the quality from the other teams ie Dublin and Mayo just isn't there to the same level as previous years, all Tyrone had to do was stay at their previous level to be the best.
Unfortunately I think this also, and it's no slight on Dooher or Logan. Timing can make or break managers. I think most teams would have struggled against that Dublin team. They were the most complete team I can remember. But sometimes getting that break, starting off against a Dub team in decline can help start something big as well. They won't go into a game against the Dubs scared anymore. This year should have helped some of the mental scars to heal. Whether that is enough if Dublin get their act together again (Which they will), I don't know.
I would be much more weary of the Dubs than that Kerry team.
I agree with that. The last few years under Mickey the team were superbly conditioned but the style of play was micromanaged and very clearly restricted the players. How often were they scared to really commit to attack or shoot? Scared of being subbed after a mistake or immediately after a yellow. The players invariably made poor calls under pressure. The same players who showed great composure these last few weeks. All those years when we dropped an incredible number of shots short. Hardly saw that this year. There was also a recognisable and consistent spine to the team, something else we didn't have under Mickey and the players flourished with it. Look also at the extra number of bodies up the field. I was watching back and at Canavan's late goal chance there are 6 Tyrone players up in attack. The last few years we almost always tried to defend leads late on against good teams. Here we were 4 up late on in the All Ireland final and trying to score a goal. Even putting Donaghy on as a sub at that stage ;D
Mickey is a legend but he became obsessed by defending and systems which to me meant his teams could never fulfil their potential. That was sad as it was the opposite of his great noughties team. The current lot might well not have beaten the Dubs at their best, but neither would they have been finished after losing an early goal which scuppered their rigid defensive plan. So huge credit to Mickey for his massive achievements and his work in developing many of these players, but he was there a few years too long and was latterly holding them back.
I think it's all too simplistic to say Harte kept them on a lead, Dooher/Logan let them off it.
I know it's all ifs and buts, but the turning point was Donegal game. Three big calls went Tyrone's way. McGee injured (and no card for McKernan - could have been red), the penalty miss, and Murphy's red. Yes it was deserved, but it was a split second thing. Ball fumbled, wild swing. Would Tyrone have won had 2 or 3 of those incidents turned out differently ? I'm not sure.
Then v Kerry, they were 2 points down when McShane goaled, with a minute to go. If that deflection falls differently, Kerry clear it. That's without including the square ball balls-up. Thems the breaks. Harte didn't seem to just get those breaks this last few seasons .
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 17, 2021, 08:07:08 AM
Would it be a widely held view that the current team is a better one than the recent teams Harte had? Or would they be much of a muchness with the current lot just a tad luckier?
Personally I don't think this team would have done any better against the Dublin team of 2018.
If this current team and management were about in 2018 the final would have been a lot tighter. For a start Meyler would not have been overturned directly leading to a Dublin goal. The likes of Hampsey, McGeary and McShane are much better players now while the Midfield has come on leaps and bounds too.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2021, 10:13:56 AM
I think it's all too simplistic to say Harte kept them on a lead, Dooher/Logan let them off it.
I know it's all ifs and buts, but the turning point was Donegal game. Three big calls went Tyrone's way. McGee injured (and no card for McKernan - could have been red), the penalty miss, and Murphy's red. Yes it was deserved, but it was a split second thing. Ball fumbled, wild swing. Would Tyrone have won had 2 or 3 of those incidents turned out differently ? I'm not sure.
Then v Kerry, they were 2 points down when McShane goaled, with a minute to go. If that deflection falls differently, Kerry clear it. That's without including the square ball balls-up. Thems the breaks. Harte didn't seem to just get those breaks this last few seasons .
Fortune favours the brave
I am not up on football tactics and Strategy but to my simple mind this year football seemed more open and exciting to watch (in most cases). I always thought that May-o would not score enough to beat Tie Rone.
In 2018 final the Tyrone tactics stayed the same until near the end when Cavanagh moved to full forward and they lumped a couple of high balls in.
I think logan and dooher give more freedom and there is now variation in attacks throughout the game e.g. Long kickouts mixed with short, high balls mixed with diagonal runs, breaking the tackle. Under harte it was a deliberate switch on the sideline at a certain point in the match. New management trust players to mix things up and choose the best option the fit the situation and keep the opposition guessing.
Harte deserves a lot of credit but his rigidity held the team back in my opinion.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2021, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 17, 2021, 08:07:08 AM
Would it be a widely held view that the current team is a better one than the recent teams Harte had? Or would they be much of a muchness with the current lot just a tad luckier?
Personally I don't think this team would have done any better against the Dublin team of 2018.
If this current team and management were about in 2018 the final would have been a lot tighter. For a start Meyler would not have been overturned directly leading to a Dublin goal. The likes of Hampsey, McGeary and McShane are much better players now while the Midfield has come on leaps and bounds too.
Aww gw'an; if me aunty had ballix she'd be me uncle.
For me Logan and Dooher have been able to bring that bite back to the performances, something that was lacking in very winnable semi finals v Mayo and Kerry that were lost, also think Jim and Jim got into Mickey's head and his inability to free up the forwards to play as forwards was a shame, though he was transitioning between the greatest era in Tyrone football and a slight drop off while other teams improved and peaked. The fact we're still at the top table while Cork Galway Down and Meath flounder is huge credit to Mickey, thankfully appears we won't be having a post-Boylan post-McGrath type plummet.
Will always wonder why he put Melyer on Fenton in the 2018 final, but we were always big underdogs for that one, still feel it was winnable but some of the players were still finding their way and have improved a lot this year with the fresh voice.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2021, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 17, 2021, 08:07:08 AM
Would it be a widely held view that the current team is a better one than the recent teams Harte had? Or would they be much of a muchness with the current lot just a tad luckier?
Personally I don't think this team would have done any better against the Dublin team of 2018.
If this current team and management were about in 2018 the final would have been a lot tighter. For a start Meyler would not have been overturned directly leading to a Dublin goal. The likes of Hampsey, McGeary and McShane are much better players now while the Midfield has come on leaps and bounds too.
How do you know he wouldn't have been overturned?
Quote from: iorras on September 16, 2021, 06:17:54 PM
AOS just needed to look to his left for that free, Conor Loftus was unmarked out on the wing, simple 20 yard pass was on, he never looked, queue boost to Tyrone, they are on the attack.
To me he's the embodiment of Mayo's issues right now, the fact that the management can't help themselves but indulge him.
For a team that has been so consistently perennially so close, closer than we have been over the last decade, for example, it's evident that not much more is required, though we are an example that could be followed here: 90% of the necessary is already in place, but that little extra that only new management could introduce is required.
JH does not seem to be capable for that final push, IMHO; he's good yes, but lacks that
je ne sais quoi where new management with no baggage could take a clear eyed objective view of the deficiencies, and address accordingly, he seems too beholden to vested interests, and too wedded perhaps to the conventional.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2021, 09:46:56 AM
I agree with that. The last few years under Mickey the team were superbly conditioned but the style of play was micromanaged and very clearly restricted the players. How often were they scared to really commit to attack or shoot? Scared of being subbed after a mistake or immediately after a yellow. The players invariably made poor calls under pressure. The same players who showed great composure these last few weeks. All those years when we dropped an incredible number of shots short. Hardly saw that this year. There was also a recognisable and consistent spine to the team, something else we didn't have under Mickey and the players flourished with it. Look also at the extra number of bodies up the field. I was watching back and at Canavan's late goal chance there are 6 Tyrone players up in attack. The last few years we almost always tried to defend leads late on against good teams. Here we were 4 up late on in the All Ireland final and trying to score a goal. Even putting Donaghy on as a sub at that stage ;D
Mickey is a legend but he became obsessed by defending and systems which to me meant his teams could never fulfil their potential. That was sad as it was the opposite of his great noughties team. The current lot might well not have beaten the Dubs at their best, but neither would they have been finished after losing an early goal which scuppered their rigid defensive plan. So huge credit to Mickey for his massive achievements and his work in developing many of these players, but he was there a few years too long and was latterly holding them back.
Very much agree with that.
It's the difference between a pre programmed, systematic, stats obsessed approach. Dooher and Logan trusted and empowered the players to make good decisions on the field.
Harte was very good at preparing a team but his set up left little room for any risk taking. The argument he had on BBC with Oisin McConville around inside forwards not having to win their own ball was very instructive in itself. I don't think Niall Morgan would have been booming kick outs 80 metres up the pitch under Mickey Harte which is where they created many of their key scores in the big matches. This might have not been beneficial for Morgans own possession statistics in a team meeting but it was certainly more beneficial for the team.
The other thing about it is that Tyrone were very predictable for other top opponents to stifle under Harte. Everybody knew how they would set up by playing the percentages via a constant recycling of possession and defending zonally. There was an element of surprise that existed this year which the opposition wasn't ready for.
I think Mickey just never had the same confidence in the new generation that he did in the team he brought through from underage. It may not even have been a conscience thing but if he was comparing McCurry to Canavan, Bradley to Steven O'Neill, McKernan to Ricey, Meyler to Dooher, Hampsey to Gormley then he may just have thought that the current crop just were not at the level required so the defensive systems and structures where introduced to give them a bit of support. Its clear now that this was wrong and the lads thrived under the added responsibility of doing their job and the feeling of being trusted to make a mistake or take a risk enabled them to push on the few percentage points that was required. There's no doubt that this was the most open championship since the Dubs started to dominate and with a little bit of luck along the way, the cards fell nicely for Logan and Dooher and to their credit they took full advantage. The really big test will be next year - can we kick on now and continue to evolve? I suspect McKenna, McShane and Canavan will be much better next year, none of them had the advantage of playing club championship football last year so i think this will further help their progress. The midfield is fledgling but has huge potential to improve and with a few more all stars and an All Ireland in the back pocket other players may just raise a level too. Its going to be some championship next year.
If Tyrone are clear of any injuries and form hasn't dipped from any of their forward line, who is their front 6 for the first rd of next year's Championship?
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 17, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
If Dooher and Logan had been managing during the years of Dublin's dominance they would have won nothing either. Tyrone have not improved any from what I can see, the quality from the other teams ie Dublin and Mayo just isn't there to the same level as previous years, all Tyrone had to do was stay at their previous level to be the best.
Not a chance. This Tyrone team is flying and have been nowhere as good going forward under Harte for a few years. They'd have given Dublin their fill of it, certainly better than the 2017 semi and the 2018 final where they rolled over.
There's no way of knowing that tbf. But I do expect that the next time we meet Dublin, the team will have their AI medals and will go into the game believing they not only could win, but should win. Sometimes that genuine belief can make a huge difference.
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Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.
Sid Wadell made a rare good point a few days ago
QuoteMickey Harte's tenure since the 2003-2008 team broke up has been quite under rated in that regard because Tyrone have consistently stayed a top four team. They never fell away like other counties after winning All Irelands, which could easily have happened.
This year a lot of the breaks went Tyrones way the type of breaks that didn't go the way of Hartes team in recent years, Donegal was always going to be Tyrones main challenger in Ulster and they lost their best player and leader Michael Murphy early in the game. The build up to the Kerry game was ideal for Tyrone. It was a hyped up Kerry team that had serious issues in defence and Tyrone exploited it with 3 goals another break came in the form of David Clifford playing no part in extra time.
Last be not least the final. Unlike 2018 no Dublin standing in their way as Mayo did them a huge favor by taking them out. The majority of pundits basically did the team talk for Tyrone by writing them off. It was remarked beforehand that Tyrone would need goals and both goals came at key stages in the game and longer the game went on you could see the clear desire from Tyrone to not be that team that lost All Ireland final to a supposedly cursed Mayo team.
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.
2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played
Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1
So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.
I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
Sure look at Dublin last year, walked through Leinster, beat a dogged but very average Cavan team who are on their way to Division 4 and then beat Mayo pulling up. Handiest one in manys a day.
Quote from: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.
2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played
Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1
So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.
I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
Was that the year Mattie Ford destroyed us in the quarters? Another one we ballsed up and could have won.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.
2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played
Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1
So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.
I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
Was that the year Mattie Ford destroyed us in the quarters? Another one we ballsed up and could have won.
Aye looks like it. According to Wiki this was his day out...
M Forde 1-5 (1f, 1sl)
He didn't win an All Star that year either//
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.
2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played
Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1
So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.
I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
Was that the year Mattie Ford destroyed us in the quarters? Another one we ballsed up and could have won.
Aye that was another AI we left behind us.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
Sure look at Dublin last year, walked through Leinster, beat a dogged but very average Cavan team who are on their way to Division 4 and then beat Mayo pulling up. Handiest one in manys a day.
Last year was probably the handiest path for the winners since 1997.
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Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.
Hard to argue with any of that.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 17, 2021, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.
Hard to argue with any of that.
Horan didn't butcher about 12 points worth in the 3rd quarter alone. As for negating against the long kickout, it'll happen the odd time. Pushing up on the kickouts, percentage wise is probably the wisest thing to do over the course of the game. When pushing up what spare men have you got?
And, as I'm generally interested, what tactics of Horan's does yourself and Maroon not agree with and what should Horan implement? A couple of cooler heads
on the pitch, Mayo win and Horan is the bee's knees.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 17, 2021, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee. One is done and injuries are catching up with the other. As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences. Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement. They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland. Have dublin or kerry ever done this. They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.
I'm certainly not belittling their achievement. They won the All Ireland for Christ sake!
I'm just of the opinion that they haven't been given the credit they deserve over the last few years. Other than a superb Dublin outfit, they've been as good as anyone.
But, until 2021 that doesn't bear scrutiny -- we did not beat any of the 'top 3' since 2008 until this year, with Dublin, Kerry & Mayo all having our number (despite games we "should have won", we didn't).
Quote from: JoG2 on September 17, 2021, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on September 17, 2021, 07:02:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 17, 2021, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.
Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.
Mayo for a team with so many great individual defenders were opened up a lot, Tyrone missed plenty of easy chances. That 2nd goal was coming from the long kickout had been coming since early on and was a very obvious tactic that Horan had done nothing to negate. I listened to a good few podcasts during the build up and plenty from Mayo thought it needed to be a low scoring game for Mayo to win, conceding 2-14 is always going to make it nigh on impossible to win especially when you've got a half forward line and a full forward who barely contribute to the scoreboard. Even with Cillian O'Connor back next year I don't see Mayo winning it with Horan's tactics, its a definition of madness to keep making the same mistakes time and time again.
Hard to argue with any of that.
Horan didn't butcher about 12 points worth in the 3rd quarter alone. As for negating against the long kickout, it'll happen the odd time. Pushing up on the kickouts, percentage wise is probably the wisest thing to do over the course of the game. When pushing up what spare men have you got?
And, as I'm generally interested, what tactics of Horan's does yourself and Maroon not agree with and what should Horan implement? A couple of cooler heads on the pitch, Mayo win and Horan is the bee's knees.
Even if Mayo had have taken more of the scores you refer to, chances are Tyrone would still have won. There is always goals to be got against Mayo in finals and the Tyrone players knew that as well as anyone.
Horan's tactics or 'Horanball' as its called by some in Mayo, involves pushing the entire half backline forward and leaving the full back line totally exposed. There is no plan B. Look at McShane's goal the last day, he was left one on one and the inevitable happened. It was well taken and fair play to him but it's the exact same shite that happened us with Kieran Donaghy in 2014. Lessons are just not learned. I don't want to be too harsh on Horan because he's done an unbelievable amount for Mayo football, I just have no faith that he's going to be the man to get us over the line.
God you know sometimes the better team wins.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2021, 09:56:10 PM
God you know sometimes the better team wins.
Sin é nothing more needs to be said close her up!!
Fair enough, closing this one, good luck in 2022 all.