One All Ireland since 2009.
Keane's 3rd Year with only one Munster title to his name.
The humiliation of 2020 beaten by a non contender Cork Team.
The have the players and the panel
Legacy weight on their shoulders.
Nothing less that an All Ireland is failure, pressure is on.
No pressure on the Dubs, New management in Tyrone, they wont expect miracles straight way, no one will tip Mayo, etc.
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 13, 2021, 11:54:54 AM
One All Ireland since 2009.
Keane's 3rd Year with only one Munster title to his name.
The humiliation of 2020 beaten by a non contender Cork Team.
The have the players and the panel
Legacy weight on their shoulders.
Nothing less that an All Ireland is failure, pressure is on.
No pressure on the Dubs, New management in Tyrone, they wont expect miracles straight way, no one will tip Mayo, etc.
Bit harsh, you're counting his 3rd year before he even starts it. He has 1 Munster title out of 2 played so far to be more accurate. They did rightly his first year, brought Dublin to a replay, and had their chances to win it. I think after a long winter after being caught on the hop in poor weather by Cork (it was smash and grab with the goal, lets be fair, despite how poor they played), and despite losing some personnel, they'll be in a better place this year and looking to challenge. I wouldn't say anything less than an AI when this Dublin team is around is failure, but they do need to have a good year.
If Kerry don't win this year, Keane will be out the door, harsh or not that's the way it is in Kerry, they are the most ruthless hoors/winners in the country.
They have very little chance of winning it.
Kerry aren't good enough defensively to win this year's All-Ireland and they got rid of a good coach that may brought the improvement needed in defence.
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If Kerry don't win this year, Keane will be out the door, harsh or not that's the way it is in Kerry, they are the most ruthless hoors/winners in the country.
That's the truth for sure. I can't understand how he survived the winter given how it panned out for them last Autumn.
Kerry have been trying to defend the top spot in the roll of honour with no support from the GAA.
The Dubs will walk it again. It used to be a sport
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2021, 03:23:48 PM
Kerry have been trying to defend the top spot in the roll of honour with no support from the GAA.
The Dubs will walk it again. It used to be a sport
Use to be or? Only 6 teams have won it in 20 years, And 3 of them teams only won it once.
Kerry group are not pub sponsor. . .
Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
Who cares? The interest is dying. Covid has helped disguise the demise of the football inter-county game.
True, Kerry are the only ones really worried about all this. Their great team of the 70/80's has been over shadowed by the Dubs of the 2010's and on.
Dublin are only 7 Titles behind Kerry in the number of titles. They were 14 behind just over a decade ago!
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Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
PSG for some daft reason got rid of Tuchel. Juventus likewise got rid of experienced manager only worse they replaced him with a rookie. Celtic not worth talking about.
Not really comparable with Dublin. Dessie Farrell has already landed the All Ireland a smooth transition from the departure of smirking Jim Gavin. The only team under pressure is Dublin as its basically Dublins All Ireland to lose however I don't think they'll be put under much pressure as the challengers are either in transition and not good enough to challenge.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on May 14, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
PSG for some daft reason got rid of Tuchel. Juventus likewise got rid of experienced manager only worse they replaced him with a rookie. Celtic not worth talking about.
Not really comparable with Dublin. Dessie Farrell has already landed the All Ireland a smooth transition from the departure of smirking Jim Gavin. The only team under pressure is Dublin as its basically Dublins All Ireland to lose however I don't think they'll be put under much pressure as the challengers are either in transition and not good enough to challenge.
Dublin are also constantly in transition from being a great team to continuing to be a great team!
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Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
PSG for some daft reason got rid of Tuchel. Juventus likewise got rid of experienced manager only worse they replaced him with a rookie. Celtic not worth talking about.
Not really comparable with Dublin. Dessie Farrell has already landed the All Ireland a smooth transition from the departure of smirking Jim Gavin. The only team under pressure is Dublin as its basically Dublins All Ireland to lose however I don't think they'll be put under much pressure as the challengers are either in transition and not good enough to challenge.
Dublin are also constantly in transition from being a great team to continuing to be a great team!
This thread will get your juices flowing. I suppose we'll have this for the next few months ago 😉😉
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Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
PSG for some daft reason got rid of Tuchel. Juventus likewise got rid of experienced manager only worse they replaced him with a rookie. Celtic not worth talking about.
Not really comparable with Dublin. Dessie Farrell has already landed the All Ireland a smooth transition from the departure of smirking Jim Gavin. The only team under pressure is Dublin as its basically Dublins All Ireland to lose however I don't think they'll be put under much pressure as the challengers are either in transition and not good enough to challenge.
That's the long and the short of it; it is very definitely Dublin's to lose and will be for the foreseeable future. They just might be caught on the hop occasionally as happened with Donegal in 2014 and Mayo and Kerry brought them to replays but there was no doubt in each replay that Dublin were the better side and there was no doubting the result from an early stage.
Kerry's days of dominance are over and while I could see them snatching an odd win, it will be a case of Dublin losing rather than Kerry (or anybody else) winning in any given year.
Tradition doesn't count for much in the modern game. Money counts more than anything else and Mayo, Tyrone and maybe three or four other counties can hire the best coaching personnel and provide the best training facilities than can be had. None of them will fear Kerry. Dublin is another matter but the days when other teams were intimidated by the sight of a Kerry jersey have gone forever.
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
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Kerry have been trying to defend the top spot in the roll of honour with no support from the GAA.
The Dubs will walk it again. It used to be a sport
Use to be or? Only 6 teams have won it in 20 years, And 3 of them teams only won it once.
Kerry group are not pub sponsor. . .
Separate but linked to give hope to others, this year alone, PSG, Juventus , Celtics hold on their respective leagues has been broken . . .
Going back to 1884 the Dubs and Kerry won about half of all Sams with the rest available to the other counties. Sam used to travel around the country.
https://youtu.be/Jwv2B4W9brk
Now the Dubs win 100% of available Sams.
It's far worse than the European Super League. As Phil Neville would say "in this country".
It's worse than the Glazers. It's the blazers.
"No matter how well written or delivered, a speech cannot divert whole societies from a well established course of action. "Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion " Steve Walt
I think the rest of the counties should pull out of the All Ireland. Many players are already deciding not to bother on an individual basis anyway.
the gaa miss the chance by not going to a 32 team open draw
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the gaa miss the chance by not going to a 32 team open draw
Ah but sure you'd never have had the romance of Tipperary and Cavan last year if we did that! ;D
Don't think they have the defence to win the All Ireland. I would put them together with Donegal at a level below the Dubs and the runner up this season will be one of those two.
Kerry giving an exhibition of football. Mayo will hammer Galway in Connacht final. Like their hurley counterpoints they have a soft underbelly. At least Kevin Welsh had them set up proper defensivily.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Two good lads without a doubt but you need a lot more than two to win an AI and Kerry come up short in too many positions. Geaney appears to have fallen out with Peter Keane and Moran is getting a bit too long in the tooth to stick the pace with Dublin for a full game.
I can't think of anyone else who'd cause Dessie Farrell to lose any sleep.
Like Mayo before them, Kerry ran Dublin close in the '19 final but got swept away in the replay. They didn't have the aerobic fitness to last the pace.
Clifford, for instance, was out on his feet for the last 20 minutes or so- he had been dragged all over the field by Jonny Cooper, a much older man. In truth, all the Kerry players were banjaxed by the end. Same as Mayo in the '15 replay, the Dubs' superior fitness was the deciding factor in the end.
There is always the chance that the Dubs could have an occasional off-day but I won't hold my breath waiting for this to happen.
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 13, 2021, 11:54:54 AM
One All Ireland since 2009.
Keane's 3rd Year with only one Munster title to his name.
The humiliation of 2020 beaten by a non contender Cork Team.
The have the players and the panel
Legacy weight on their shoulders.
Nothing less that an All Ireland is failure, pressure is on.
No pressure on the Dubs, New management in Tyrone, they wont expect miracles straight way, no one will tip Mayo, etc.
Don't think the pressure was on Kerry until this thread started. All changed now.😕
The hand of history on TheGreatest's shoulder
zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Kerry have better forwards than the dubs.
No they don't. David Clifford would make the Dublin team and maybe geaney. Not sure many others would.
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zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Kerry have better forwards than the dubs.
They don't. Only David Clifford would be a starter among Dublins six best forwards.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Kerry only 3 weeks training . Wait til they have 3 months done.
The Gas thing is the GAA world is looking to Kerry to save Gaelic football. It's a bit like looking to Rangers to save Scottish football.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2021, 11:24:14 PM
The Gas thing is the GAA world is looking to Kerry to save Gaelic football. It's a bit like looking to Rangers to save Scottish football.
Like looking to Dublin, late 70s and 80s....
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The Gas thing is the GAA world is looking to Kerry to save Gaelic football. It's a bit like looking to Rangers to save Scottish football.
Like looking to Dublin, late 70s and 80s....
In fairness it was Dublin in the 70's that were overhauled by Kerry. Dublin won a AI against the head in '83. Just like Kerry did in 2014.
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
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zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Kerry have better forwards than the dubs.
They don't. Only David Clifford would be a starter among Dublins six best forwards.
And SO'S.
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zero chance of Dublin losing this year
they have 30 players better than almost every other team.
and better conditioned too.
Kerry have better forwards than the dubs.
They don't. Only David Clifford would be a starter among Dublins six best forwards.
And SO'S.
Instead of who?
With Paul Mannion away Dublins strongest starting 6 forwards
Niall Scully, Con O'Callaghan, Brian Howard
Cormac Costello Dean Rock, Ciaran Kilkenny.
They already have good free takers in Costello, Rock.
Pressure on Kerry assumes there is a competition. There isn't.
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Gas, posters putting faith in a Kerry team who couldn't beat a Cork team who couldn't beat a Tipperary team.
Kerry are not under pressure to win Munster, they are expected to win Munster. There is huge pressure on them to topple Dublin. Their standing as a football county depends on it. Derry have no such standing to worry about!
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Dublin have it sewn up so anyone with any sense knows that.
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yerra, musha, they are saying that every year. ;D
They won easy enough against a piss poor Galway side and the likes of Brolly are talking up their chances of going the whole way this year. Sure, Clifford is class but Dublin took care of him in the replay game in 2019 and did the same for Ó Se.
Kerry would need at least another thirteen like the pair of them to stand a chance.
Having said that, I won't expect either manager to show his hand on Sunday. I can't see either side going flat out.
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Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yerra, musha, they are saying that every year. ;D
They won easy enough against a piss poor Galway side and the likes of Brolly are talking up their chances of going the whole way this year. Sure, Clifford is class but Dublin took care of him in the replay game in 2019 and did the same for Ó Se.
Kerry would need at least another thirteen like the pair of them to stand a chance.
Having said that, I won't expect either manager to show his hand on Sunday. I can't see either side going flat out.
A glance at the stats shows Clifford scored 5 points in that final replay, 4 from play. I would say that's good going for any player in an All-Ireland final, let alone a 20-year-old in hi second season at senior level. O'Shea also got 5 points, 2 of them from play.
Agree the weekend's game will mean little when it comes to serious business in the championship - Galway's performance was one of the worst seen in a div 1 game in recent years.
Dublin will be very happy with Kerry's massacre of Galway last weekend. It was the first big game of the season and generated plenty of attention and now the media are over hyping this Kerry side.
They proved that they have some top quality forwards but we knew that already. What we don't know is whether they have improved sufficiently from numbers 1-9. There are still big question marks which, given the nature of the season, will probably go unanswered until an AI SF showdown with probably Donegal. There are also doubts about their mental fortitude in tight games from which they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the last 2 years.
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yerra, musha, they are saying that every year. ;D
They won easy enough against a piss poor Galway side and the likes of Brolly are talking up their chances of going the whole way this year. Sure, Clifford is class but Dublin took care of him in the replay game in 2019 and did the same for Ó Se.
Kerry would need at least another thirteen like the pair of them to stand a chance.
Having said that, I won't expect either manager to show his hand on Sunday. I can't see either side going flat out.
A glance at the stats shows Clifford scored 5 points in that final replay, 4 from play. I would say that's good going for any player in an All-Ireland final, let alone a 20-year-old in hi second season at senior level. O'Shea also got 5 points, 2 of them from play.
Agree the weekend's game will mean little when it comes to serious business in the championship - Galway's performance was one of the worst seen in a div 1 game in recent years.
Watch Galway look like AI contenders this weekend
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yerra, musha, they are saying that every year. ;D
They won easy enough against a piss poor Galway side and the likes of Brolly are talking up their chances of going the whole way this year. Sure, Clifford is class but Dublin took care of him in the replay game in 2019 and did the same for Ó Se.
Kerry would need at least another thirteen like the pair of them to stand a chance.
Having said that, I won't expect either manager to show his hand on Sunday. I can't see either side going flat out.
A glance at the stats shows Clifford scored 5 points in that final replay, 4 from play. I would say that's good going for any player in an All-Ireland final, let alone a 20-year-old in hi second season at senior level. O'Shea also got 5 points, 2 of them from play.
Agree the weekend's game will mean little when it comes to serious business in the championship - Galway's performance was one of the worst seen in a div 1 game in recent years.
True, but he waqs held scoreless in the last 15 minutes or so when Dublin put on the pressure and looked out on his feet at the final whistle. Dublin's level of aerobic fitness was far superior to kerry's.
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Dublin will be very happy with Kerry's massacre of Galway last weekend. It was the first big game of the season and generated plenty of attention and now the media are over hyping this Kerry side.
They proved that they have some top quality forwards but we knew that already. What we don't know is whether they have improved sufficiently from numbers 1-9. There are still big question marks which, given the nature of the season, will probably go unanswered until an AI SF showdown with probably Donegal. There are also doubts about their mental fortitude in tight games from which they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the last 2 years.
People love this narrative that Kerry have no defenders. Con O'Callaghan and Mannion barely got a kick in the drawn final in 2019!
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?
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They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?
Because Kerry demand All Irelands, probably have the best footballer in the country and huge success at minors in recent year.
Obviously Dublin will be favourites but the Kerry public is very demanding. Hard to see Keane surviving unless they give Dublin a close run in Championship at the worst.
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Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?
Because Kerry demand All Irelands, probably have the best footballer in the country and huge success at minors in recent year.
Obviously Dublin will be favourites but the Kerry public is very demanding. Hard to see Keane surviving unless they give Dublin a close run in Championship at the worst.
Didn't translate into U20 and U21 All Ireland success in recent years.
Three years of U20 and Kerry didn't even reach All Ireland final. 2017 was the last year of the U21 grade and it was 2008 the last time Kerry reached and won that All-Ireland.
Senior players weren't allowed to play though and they had quite a few.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 21, 2021, 05:29:44 PM
Senior players weren't allowed to play though and they had quite a few.
Biggest loss at U20 level was Clifford. U21 level 2015 to 2017 they had teams filled with minor All-Ireland winners and two of those years they didn't even win Munster.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 17, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 15, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park, hard to get excited about it in that sense .
Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO
A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.
Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .
Yes, that's what I'm saying. A few years ago there would be pressure on Kerry but not now, well no real pressure imo. Such is Dublin's dominance atm, is anyone tipping anyone else to win the All Ireland this year? So why would there be pressure on Kerry?
Because Kerry demand All Irelands, probably have the best footballer in the country and huge success at minors in recent year.
Obviously Dublin will be favourites but the Kerry public is very demanding. Hard to see Keane surviving unless they give Dublin a close run in Championship at the worst.
Didn't translate into U20 and U21 All Ireland success in recent years.
Three years of U20 and Kerry didn't even reach All Ireland final. 2017 was the last year of the U21 grade and it was 2008 the last time Kerry reached and won that All-Ireland.
If Clifford and the rest of the lads from the good minor teams had played U20/21's they'd have fared differently.
I put 100 on Kerry 1 weeks @8/1. The jackeens are in decline.
Stick fiver on Kerry to win now. 11/2 with the wind and due a couple penalties from referee. Gave everything to Dublin in first half.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-kerry-have-a-real-chance-of-knocking-the-dubs-off-their-perch-and-winning-the-all-ireland-this-year-40487762.html
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Useful media eejit time again.
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.
The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."
Oscar Wilde
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.
The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."
Oscar Wilde
Competition has got weaker.
Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.
The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."
Oscar Wilde
Competition has got weaker.
Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.
Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.
You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.
Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.
The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."
Oscar Wilde
Competition has got weaker.
Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.
Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.
You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.
Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.
It means plenty. Few seem to question the lack quality of the competition/contenders when talking about Dublins dominance.
Dublin regardless of personal has stayed at consistent level 2011 to present. The media are desperate to talk up teams like they are doing with Kerry now even though this Kerry team aren't as good as they were 6 or 7 years ago and got knocked out of the championship last year by a mediocre Cork outfit.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Gaslighting about Kerry is designed to draw attention away from what funding Dublin uniquely has done to Gaelic Football.
The Dubs have perfected the game but they have no competition.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it."
Oscar Wilde
Competition has got weaker.
Kerry while hyped up by some aren't as good as they were in 2011 to 2015. Mayo aren't at the level they were 2012 to 2017. Tyrone a long way from their 2005, 2008 All Ireland winning teams. Galway, Monaghan, Donegal etc will be happy if reach All Ireland semi final this summer.
Your comparisons mean nothing. This is a county going for 7 in a row. 9 AI's out of the last available 11. The players who started out this journey are almost all gone bar a handful. Even replacements have moved on. It's a constant work in progress. They have the structures, the population and the money.
You cannot compare Dublin to any other county because there has never been anything like this before. Never! The Stats alone tell us that.
Kerry circa 1975-1986 are the closest. But they had the guts of the same team the whole way through. They also had to only win 3 games to win an AI.
It means plenty. Few seem to question the lack quality of the competition/contenders when talking about Dublins dominance.
Dublin regardless of personal has stayed at consistent level 2011 to present. The media are desperate to talk up teams like they are doing with Kerry now even though this Kerry team aren't as good as they were 6 or 7 years ago and got knocked out of the championship last year by a mediocre Cork outfit.
Last year Dublin won the Leinster Final by over 20 points. Who is going to bother with the Leinster Championship this year ?
The media's job is to generate excitement around matches but there is no point is there is no competition.
Kerry don't get the funding that Dublin do. They used to have a psychological edge over Dublin but they have nothing now.
Breheny was spouting stuff a few weeks ago that the opposition to Dublin have gone back and he had the statistics to prove it.
He seemed to overlook the fact that Dublin were winning all round them.
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
It's almost a perfect system for Dublin. The Achilles Heel is the GAA's dependence on match income to fund its activities.
Whenever Covid finishes, takings from football matches will be way down on pre Covid levels. It's a Ponzi scheme.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2021, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
It's almost a perfect system for Dublin. The Achilles Heel is the GAA's dependence on match income to fund its activities.
Whenever Covid finishes, takings from football matches will be way down on pre Covid levels. It's a Ponzi scheme.
You will never get the crowds that used to follow Donegal, Tyrone and especially Mayo. Most fans in these counties Know deep down the game is up!
Kerry beating Dublin won't solve the problem. Kerry are renowned for their poor support.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Shows how much the standard of challenger has dipped. 2013,2016 was two All Ireland finals where Dublin was there for the taking and Mayo found ways to lose both of them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Shows how much the standard of challenger has dipped. 2013,2016 was two All Ireland finals where Dublin was there for the taking and Mayo found ways to lose both of them.
Shows how much further Dublin has pulled away. 2013, 2016, the Dublin team found a way to beat a golden generation from Mayo at the peak of their powers.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Shows how much the standard of challenger has dipped. 2013,2016 was two All Ireland finals where Dublin was there for the taking and Mayo found ways to lose both of them.
Ah, yeah blame the main contender. They were not up to it and others that have followed them have failed to lead the way! Thems the breaks. It's a relief that their time has passed.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 02, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Shows how much further Dublin has pulled away. 2013, 2016, the Dublin team found a way to beat a golden generation from Mayo at the peak of their powers.
Debatable if Dublin are better now than they were in 2013 and 2016. Right now has no challenger to push them to pin of their collar like those Mayo sides did yet it won't stop the media trying to convince us that Kerry are capable this summer.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Ah, yeah blame the main contender. They were not up to it and others that have followed them have failed to lead the way! Thems the breaks. It's a relief that their time has passed.
Mayo had no one to blame but themselves for not winning at least one of those finals. Individuals errors on and off the field cost Mayo and the overriding feeling should be regret not relief.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Most teams outside of Division 1 the best club players never represent their county. Happening in likes of Wicklow, Carlow, Limerick, Derry and Tipp the last 30 years.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 02, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
Dublin have burned off most of the opposition. Leinster counties don't get all their good players to play inter-county for them anymore. The Mayo, Tyrones, Donegal and Kerry's have to travel to Dublin to play them in important games.
Let alone the money. All the rest is a litany of structures that pander to Dublin. And i know Dublin fans will be saying ''Most of them were there when Dublin were like the rest of us''. Now we are left with embarrassing mismatches at the business end of the championship like the Leinster final v Meath and AI Semi-final v Cavan, and even the AI final v Mayo where Dublin showed us how to win a game in 2nd gear.
Only for Cillian O'Connor hitting the post Mayo could have been going for 7 in a row
Shows how much the standard of challenger has dipped. 2013,2016 was two All Ireland finals where Dublin was there for the taking and Mayo found ways to lose both of them.
Shows how much further Dublin has pulled away. 2013, 2016, the Dublin team found a way to beat a golden generation from Mayo at the peak of their powers.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 02, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Shows how much further Dublin has pulled away. 2013, 2016, the Dublin team found a way to beat a golden generation from Mayo at the peak of their powers.
Debatable if Dublin are better now than they were in 2013 and 2016. Right now has no challenger to push them to pin of their collar like those Mayo sides did yet it won't stop the media trying to convince us that Kerry are capable this summer.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Ah, yeah blame the main contender. They were not up to it and others that have followed them have failed to lead the way! Thems the breaks. It's a relief that their time has passed.
Mayo had no one to blame but themselves for not winning at least one of those finals. Individuals errors on and off cost Mayo and the overriding feeling should be regret not relief.
Donal Vaughan close line on Small will haunt him. He stays Mayo have the game won. The various mayo managers inability to control the discipline of Keegan, Vaughan and O'Connor brothers cost them at vital stages an d referee often turned a blind eye to their antics too. Colm Boyle took the head off HP McGeary above in Tyrone and no sanction. McNulty done same to Keegan and gets straight red. Same game Moran pushes Deegan no further action taken.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 02, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Shows how much further Dublin has pulled away. 2013, 2016, the Dublin team found a way to beat a golden generation from Mayo at the peak of their powers.
Debatable if Dublin are better now than they were in 2013 and 2016. Right now has no challenger to push them to pin of their collar like those Mayo sides did yet it won't stop the media trying to convince us that Kerry are capable this summer.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Ah, yeah blame the main contender. They were not up to it and others that have followed them have failed to lead the way! Thems the breaks. It's a relief that their time has passed.
Mayo had no one to blame but themselves for not winning at least one of those finals. Individuals errors on and off cost Mayo and the overriding feeling should be regret not relief.
Yeah, no team ever has anyone but themselves to blame when they lose a game. There are exceptions - Louth Leinster final 2010. Individual errors are part of the game. Tell me a game where there were no individual errors? Individual errors are magnified in finals. Dublin made a lot of Individual errors, but these are never scrutanised because they won.
There is no regret. I had nothing to do with Mayo not winning Sam. I was disappointed. It's easier being so far away from sealing the deal. Being near and knowing the disadvantages that had to be overcome became annoying. Nobody really said anything about Mayo in the AI final last year. There was nothing to say. The game is dead!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
Yeah, no team ever has anyone but themselves to blame when they lose a game. There are exceptions - Louth Leinster final 2010. Individual errors are part of the game. Tell me a game where there were no individual errors? Individual errors are magnified in finals. Dublin made a lot of Individual errors, but these are never scrutanised because they won.
There is no regret. I had nothing to do with Mayo not winning Sam. I was disappointed. It's easier being so far away from sealing the deal. Being near and knowing the disadvantages that had to be overcome became annoying. Nobody really said anything about Mayo in the AI final last year. There was nothing to say. The game is dead!
Errors are part of the game I'd agree however in Dublins case it was mostly minor errors. Mayo made major errors that swung contests. It's only natural to have regrets and living in denial if you really think it had nothing to do with not winning Sam Maguire.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2021, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
Yeah, no team ever has anyone but themselves to blame when they lose a game. There are exceptions - Louth Leinster final 2010. Individual errors are part of the game. Tell me a game where there were no individual errors? Individual errors are magnified in finals. Dublin made a lot of Individual errors, but these are never scrutanised because they won.
There is no regret. I had nothing to do with Mayo not winning Sam. I was disappointed. It's easier being so far away from sealing the deal. Being near and knowing the disadvantages that had to be overcome became annoying. Nobody really said anything about Mayo in the AI final last year. There was nothing to say. The game is dead!
Errors are part of the game I'd agree however in Dublins case it was mostly minor errors. Mayo made major errors that swung contests. It's only natural to have regrets and living in denial if you really think it had nothing to do with not winning Sam Maguire.
Errors had everything to do with Dublin winning Sam. The better team always make less errors. I don't get your point?
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:51:41 PM
Errors had everything to do with Dublin winning Sam. The better team always make less errors. I don't get your point?
Unforced and self inflicted errors by Mayo is what proved costly. For example in the 2016 drawn All-Ireland final one can't say Dublin was the better team.
Tell me the self inflicted errors from 2016?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 03, 2021, 12:24:39 AM
Tell me the self inflicted errors from 2016?
To name but a few. The choice to play Kevin McLoughlin as a sweeper who ended up scoring an OG. Aidan O Shea wasted at full forward for half of the game when he was needed in the middle 8 to help out. Confusion over who was meant to be marking Paddy Andrews when introduced. After that game the bizarre decision to change the goalkeeper and his replacement gifted a goal to Dublin in the replay.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2021, 01:17:05 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 03, 2021, 12:24:39 AM
Tell me the self inflicted errors from 2016?
To name but a few. The choice to play Kevin McLoughlin as a sweeper who ended up scoring an OG. Aidan O Shea wasted at full forward for half of the game when he was needed in the middle 8 to help out. Confusion over who was meant to be marking Paddy Andrews when introduced. After that game the bizarre decision to change the goalkeeper and his replacement gifted a goal to Dublin in the replay.
Alright, you are blaming the sideline - I thought you were blaming individual errors from players on the pitch. Lets just face it - Mayo were good but just not good enough. Simple as! I mean Mayo lost to an average Galway team early on (who later lost in the quarterfinals to Tipperary), what was going on there?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 02, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-kerry-have-a-real-chance-of-knocking-the-dubs-off-their-perch-and-winning-the-all-ireland-this-year-40487762.html
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Perfect example of a pundit trying to hype up a non competitive championship. It's in the media's interest to sell the product, the more that debate is triggered the more that media can generate interest.
In a once off match anything can happen and Kerry could beat Dublin once in five games maybe. On the other hand they might not make the AI final as they are also capable of losing to some other contenders (as we seen with Cork last year). Kerry had a golden opportunity to beat the Dubs in the 2019 final after the Dubs were reduced to 14 men for the last 45 minutes but Kerry failed to see the match out and the inevitable result followed in the replay.
The title thread suggests that all the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an AI title this year. I don't see that at all though as I don't know of many people who expect them to actually win it, perhaps some within their own county do. There may be a general expectancy that they are capable of making the final but even that is dubious. There are still too many question marks for me. I do think that Keane needs to get them to an AI final this year though to stay in the post.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 02, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-kerry-have-a-real-chance-of-knocking-the-dubs-off-their-perch-and-winning-the-all-ireland-this-year-40487762.html
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Perfect example of a pundit trying to hype up a non competitive championship. It's in the media's interest to sell the product, the more that debate is triggered the more that media can generate interest.
In a once off match anything can happen and Kerry could beat Dublin once in five games maybe. On the other hand they might not make the AI final as they are also capable of losing to some other contenders (as we seen with Cork last year). Kerry had a golden opportunity to beat the Dubs in the 2019 final after the Dubs were reduced to 14 men for the last 45 minutes but Kerry failed to see the match out and the inevitable result followed in the replay.
The title thread suggests that all the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an AI title this year. I don't see that at all though as I don't know of many people who expect them to actually win it, perhaps some within their own county do. There may be a general expectancy that they are capable of making the final but even that is dubious. There are still too many question marks for me. I do think that Keane needs to get them to an AI final this year though to stay in the post.
Kerry until this last decade were the Top cats of Gaelic football. But gradually over the last decade their records are being superseded by Dublin. The Pressure is on Kerry's vanity to stop this. Nobody was within an arses roar of their over all titles a decade ago. Dublin are a real threat to their throne.
Quote from: Tatler Jack2 on June 03, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
QuoteI HAVE been involved in sports punditry for over 30 years.
By its nature, it's subjective; everybody has an opinion. Mine are evidence-based, whereas others pluck their sound bites from thin air
Hilarious. It's the way he tells them ;D
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Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/tomas-o-se-hopes-kerry-can-find-greater-consistency/
A bit of yerra from Tommy
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
Psychologically it was. Normally a Tyrone team would be back the next year to build on the lost final with the experience gained.
But that didn't happen, did it?
And Tyrone are a strong county.
This is not a Tyrone thing. It happens to ali the other top counties with the exception of 1.
Tyrone were so well behind around 50 minutes that for the first time ever I switched off the AI Final. A number of people I know did the same.
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
When its six points that could have been ten had they been bothered, as most Dublin games tend to be.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Tyrone were so well behind around 50 minutes that for the first time ever I switched off the AI Final. A number of people I know did the same.
Off course you did 🙄🙄
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
When its six points that could have been ten had they been bothered, as most Dublin games tend to be.
Tyrone hit 6/7 with kicking outside of boot. They same against Kerry the following year. Bit more composure of front of post and could have won.
:D :D🤣🤣
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
It may as well have been 66
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
Hammering no but it was Dublins biggest winning margin in All Ireland final since the late 70s.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012. The Mayo/Dublin rivalry was a myth. It was a procession of Dublin dominance. ;)
Most people don't pay attention. Because recent finals were reasonably close they think the game is fine.
Because Mayo had a very good team from 2015 on it looked as though the processes were solid.
But once that team ran out of time there wasn't going to be a replacement anywhere. There can't be because the
normal progression from the pack to Sam doesn't work any more. Counties would get to a semi, then lose a final and
have a good chance of winning the year after. Time and experience. Not any more.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 but were hammered. They didn't make any progress.
Kerry didn't even get out of Munster last year
Meath have been building a team for a while and lost the Leinster final by 22 points.
The psychology of the competing teams is a huge issue. Dublin is a juggernaut that destroys everything in its path.
The RTE analysts with the exception of Spillane looked into the void last November,.
Whelan
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1330254398535176204
Orourke
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1340326486474186753
Panel
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335305360815632385
Gooch
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1335712179580973063
Tyrone lost final by 6. Is 6 points considering a hammering now??
Hammering no but it was Dublins biggest winning margin in All Ireland final since the late 70s.
The dubs have never put a team away like great Kerry teams of 70s and noughties
they put teams away routinely. They just haven't happened to blitz the scoreboard in a final. A game like that may have had 6 points in it but it was more than a six point game really.
Are you saying they were sitting in 4th gear?
He's saying that Dublin kept Tyrone at arms length.
They build up a lead then play keep ball. Finals are different too. Once you get in a winning position it's just about holding onto it.
They hammered Tyrone psychologically. That Tyrone team was broken. Tyrone are 20/1 this year.
It's a completely different ball game now.
The 'Everybody wants to play Dublin and beat Dublin in Croke Park' has got a bit lame the last couple of years. The Kerry pundits don't use it anymore. They now realise that 1978 is not going to happen any day soon. It's a classic line and adds to Dublin maintaining home advantage. Anyone who says otherwise is painted as unappreciative of Gaelic Games tradition. You could not make this stuff up!
Quote from: seafoid on June 05, 2021, 02:12:40 PM
They hammered Tyrone psychologically. That Tyrone team was broken. Tyrone are 20/1 this year.
It's a completely different ball game now.
I think the Kerry men will have put permanent scar on Tyrone boys too. Wont be beating Kerry for another while.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2021, 01:36:02 AM
The 'Everybody wants to play Dublin and beat Dublin in Croke Park' has got a bit lame the last couple of years. The Kerry pundits don't use it anymore. They now realise that 1978 is not going to happen any day soon. It's a classic line and adds to Dublin maintaining home advantage. Anyone who says otherwise is painted as unappreciative of Gaelic Games tradition. You could not make this stuff up!
Yes I agree with a lot of the posters on here. Kerrt are the best footballing side in the country and there was a few years in the past . Few years that Dublin won we were better footballers than but Dublin won the big prize. I think Kerry have improved their squad considerably this year with someone our bench being as good as the starters that is what has won Dublin there 6 in a row. Money bought fitness and money bought back room teams of expecters yes I know it is boring to bring up again but they will forever be flawed champions.. They never had a maurice. Fitz. They never had a Gooch. They never had a David Clifford. The skills these guys have and had cannot be bought or thought. It is some thing that comes naturally.. As always my heart says kerry. But the robots may win again
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 02, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-kerry-have-a-real-chance-of-knocking-the-dubs-off-their-perch-and-winning-the-all-ireland-this-year-40487762.html
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Perfect example of a pundit trying to hype up a non competitive championship. It's in the media's interest to sell the product, the more that debate is triggered the more that media can generate interest.
In a once off match anything can happen and Kerry could beat Dublin once in five games maybe. On the other hand they might not make the AI final as they are also capable of losing to some other contenders (as we seen with Cork last year). Kerry had a golden opportunity to beat the Dubs in the 2019 final after the Dubs were reduced to 14 men for the last 45 minutes but Kerry failed to see the match out and the inevitable result followed in the replay.
The title thread suggests that all the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an AI title this year. I don't see that at all though as I don't know of many people who expect them to actually win it, perhaps some within their own county do. There may be a general expectancy that they are capable of making the final but even that is dubious. There are still too many question marks for me. I do think that Keane needs to get them to an AI final this year though to stay in the post.
They're very robotic in everything they do , when you see lads like Jack mac and Mannion walking away from a winning team at 26/27 years old, Jack mac saying he got depressed when he heard there was no extra time in the 2019 final and that the thought of having to do 2 more weeks made him sick says it all really, I doubt there are any young lads in dublin or anywhere else in the country trying to replicate the dublin players sprinting around the place hand passing the ball and trying to bore the other young lads to death.
Funny thing while I was watching our game v Tyrone on Saturday and King David missed a punched goal I turned to my son and angrily said Gooch wouldn't have missed that, that'll tell you how spoilt we are in the kingdom.
Kerry are Kerry - they will always be around and I don't think the pressure will bother them one bit.
Quote from: Solo_run on June 15, 2021, 09:20:22 PM
Kerry are Kerry - they will always be around and I don't think the pressure will bother them one bit.
The pressure got to them last year!
Quote from: Solo_run on June 15, 2021, 09:20:22 PM
Kerry are Kerry - they will always be around and I don't think the pressure will bother them one bit.
Make no mistake about it Kerry and Peter Keane are under serious pressure to beat Dublin this year. Keane must know after last year's disaster if they don't win the All Ireland this year he'll be replaced.
Dublin are also breaking records set by Kerry teams/players years ago that the locals thought would never happen and all of a sudden Dublin are getting close to Kerry's number of All Ireland victories which is only adding to the pressure
After the 5 in a row Fitzmaurice said :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
The gap between the 2 counties in the roll of honour is now 7 .
Can Dublin win 13 in a row? I don't think punters or advertisers would stand for it.
The WTF factor would be too high. The All Ireland Final is already very hard for journalists to cover.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
After the 5 in a row Fitzmaurice said :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
The gap between the 2 counties in the roll of honour is now 7 .
Can Dublin win 13 in a row? I don't think punters or advertisers would stand for it.
The WTF factor would be too high. The All Ireland Final is already very hard for journalists to cover.
I think it is close to a racing certainty that Dublin will overtake Kerry within 10 years in the roll of honour. The players lives are resourced beyond all other counties to facilitate their excellence and will win 4 or 5 out of every 6 future all Irelands. Fair play to them, I like their style of football.
Quote from: macker15 on June 15, 2021, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 02, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-kerry-have-a-real-chance-of-knocking-the-dubs-off-their-perch-and-winning-the-all-ireland-this-year-40487762.html
::)
Perfect example of a pundit trying to hype up a non competitive championship. It's in the media's interest to sell the product, the more that debate is triggered the more that media can generate interest.
In a once off match anything can happen and Kerry could beat Dublin once in five games maybe. On the other hand they might not make the AI final as they are also capable of losing to some other contenders (as we seen with Cork last year). Kerry had a golden opportunity to beat the Dubs in the 2019 final after the Dubs were reduced to 14 men for the last 45 minutes but Kerry failed to see the match out and the inevitable result followed in the replay.
The title thread suggests that all the pressure is on Kerry to deliver an AI title this year. I don't see that at all though as I don't know of many people who expect them to actually win it, perhaps some within their own county do. There may be a general expectancy that they are capable of making the final but even that is dubious. There are still too many question marks for me. I do think that Keane needs to get them to an AI final this year though to stay in the post.
They're very robotic in everything they do , when you see lads like Jack mac and Mannion walking away from a winning team at 26/27 years old, Jack mac saying he got depressed when he heard there was no extra time in the 2019 final and that the thought of having to do 2 more weeks made him sick says it all really, I doubt there are any young lads in dublin or anywhere else in the country trying to replicate the dublin players sprinting around the place hand passing the ball and trying to bore the other young lads to death.
Funny thing while I was watching our game v Tyrone on Saturday and King David missed a punched goal I turned to my son and angrily said Gooch wouldn't have missed that, that'll tell you how spoilt we are in the kingdom.
You have jumped right on board the Kerry hype train anyway, there is certainly no yerra yerra stuff with you!
I heard Peter Keane interviewed after the Tyrone match on Sunday where he said with a straight face that if you took the 6 goals that they scored out of the match, then there was very little between the 2 sides!!
Quote from: rrhf on June 16, 2021, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
After the 5 in a row Fitzmaurice said :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
The gap between the 2 counties in the roll of honour is now 7 .
Can Dublin win 13 in a row? I don't think punters or advertisers would stand for it.
The WTF factor would be too high. The All Ireland Final is already very hard for journalists to cover.
I think it is close to a racing certainty that Dublin will overtake Kerry within 10 years in the roll of honour. The players lives are resourced beyond all other counties to facilitate their excellence and will win 4 or 5 out of every 6 future all Irelands. Fair play to them, I like their style of football.
They are fantastic to watch. But sport needs competition. So what if Kerry win one Sam.
Dublin have won 8 of the last 10. With 3 different teams.
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 16, 2021, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
After the 5 in a row Fitzmaurice said :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
The gap between the 2 counties in the roll of honour is now 7 .
Can Dublin win 13 in a row? I don't think punters or advertisers would stand for it.
The WTF factor would be too high. The All Ireland Final is already very hard for journalists to cover.
I think it is close to a racing certainty that Dublin will overtake Kerry within 10 years in the roll of honour. The players lives are resourced beyond all other counties to facilitate their excellence and will win 4 or 5 out of every 6 future all Irelands. Fair play to them, I like their style of football.
They are fantastic to watch. But sport needs competition. So what if Kerry win one Sam.
Dublin have won 8 of the last 10. With 3 different teams.
Good quiz guestion. Can you name 45 players who have won all irelands medals?
45 would be pretty easy. 45 from Dublin would be tough enough I suspect.
They should play the all Ireland final in killarney. . No crowds no reason it needs to be in croke park
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
After the 5 in a row Fitzmaurice said :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
The gap between the 2 counties in the roll of honour is now 7 .
Can Dublin win 13 in a row? I don't think punters or advertisers would stand for it.
The WTF factor would be too high. The All Ireland Final is already very hard for journalists to cover.
Kerry no devine right to be top dog no longer, nor do the Dubs for the matter, times have changed, next 50 will be different from the last 50 Years.
The annual "Kerry will dethrone the Dubs" narrative is now in full swing
Quote from: larryin89 on June 17, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
They should play the all Ireland final in killarney. . No crowds no reason it needs to be in croke park
Why should Kerry get special treatment?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2021, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 17, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
They should play the all Ireland final in killarney. . No crowds no reason it needs to be in croke park
Why should Kerry get special treatment?
As are the kings of gaelic football.
Eric Lowndes gone now, also Kev Mc(In Tokyo ). john Small, Cooper and Murchan all fitness doubts , Cluxton, list goes on. Not the same team.
Definitely Kerry's to lose, It has been good while it lasted.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 13, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Eric Lowndes gone now, also Kev Mc(In Tokyo ). john Small, Cooper and Murchan all fitness doubts , Cluxton, list goes on. Not the same team.
Definitely Kerry's to lose, It has been good while it lasted.
Would you quit. Dubs have lost Connolly, McCaffrey and Brogan in last few years without batting an eyelid, lads who'd be in the conversation for an all time best 15.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 13, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Eric Lowndes gone now, also Kev Mc(In Tokyo ). john Small, Cooper and Murchan all fitness doubts , Cluxton, list goes on. Not the same team.
Definitely Kerry's to lose, It has been good while it lasted.
I don't know what your modus operandi is but you seem to be on some sort of crusade to hail kerry as the greatest team that ever played the game before they have even won one AI title. I think this is slightly premature but I do think with all the defections Dublin have had in the last 18 months, that Kerry have a glorious chance to win it this year now.
Dublin have lost so many stalwarts that they could now be considered to be going through a transitionary period. Any county that gets their act together over the next few years will have a better chance of winning an AI and Kerry appear to be the team best positioned. I would even go as far as to say that they probably now have better players all over the pitch than Dublin. Psychologically they have questions to answer though as they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory during the closing stages in big championship games in the last 2 seasons. Until they win an AI those questions will remain unanswered.
some craic if it ended up a Tyrone v Mayo final.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 13, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 13, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Eric Lowndes gone now, also Kev Mc(In Tokyo ). john Small, Cooper and Murchan all fitness doubts , Cluxton, list goes on. Not the same team.
Definitely Kerry's to lose, It has been good while it lasted.
I don't know what your modus operandi is but you seem to be on some sort of crusade to hail kerry as the greatest team that ever played the game before they have even won one AI title. I think this is slightly premature but I do think with all the defections Dublin have had in the last 18 months, that Kerry have a glorious chance to win it this year now.
Dublin have lost so many stalwarts that they could now be considered to be going through a transitionary period. Any county that gets their act together over the next few years will have a better chance of winning an AI and Kerry appear to be the team best positioned. I would even go as far as to say that they probably now have better players all over the pitch than Dublin. Psychologically they have questions to answer though as they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory during the closing stages in big championship games in the last 2 seasons. Until they win an AI those questions will remain unanswered.
Not at all, its them or no one imo.
Maybe the best thing to happen to Mayo is not having to rely on O Connor and bring other players into it,
I honestly think we will be beaten this year. Finally.. at what stage I don't know, no team, not even Dublin can absorb the personal changes and current injury list.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/malachy-clerkin-dublin-won-t-win-the-all-ireland-this-year-1.4621345
Malachy Clerkin: Dublin won't win the All-Ireland this year
For the first time in almost a decade, they've the look of a team who lack firepower
Malachy Clerkin
Dublin won't win the All-Ireland this year. Somebody will beat them at some stage over the next seven weeks. Could be Kerry at the end, could be Mayo in the semi-final, could be one of the northern teams if one of the other two fall before then. We know not the day nor the power. But it will happen.
This is not meant to be provocative. Truth be told, it's as much a shock to this column as it is to anyone to realise it. If it feels like an outlandish thing to declare, that's only because this is the first time in the past nine years when you could have felt confident even bringing it up.
Think back over it. At no stage during the six-in-a-row could you have banged your fist on the table and declared the Dubs would be beaten. The last time they lost a championship game was, famously, in 2014, a game that Donegal went into as the biggest outsiders in an All-Ireland semi-final for 20 years. The year before that was Jim Gavin's first, when he unleashed Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock et al on the championship and danced them all into submission.
For the first time in almost a decade, they have the look of a team who lack the firepower to pull it off
Oh, there have been your hunches and your feelings and your just-might-bes down the years. The mind drifts to Colm Parkinson's podcast the week before the Dubs played Tyrone in 2017 where neither of his guests predicted a Dublin win. Stevie McDonnell and Conan Doherty - no mug, either of them - got to the verdicts at the end and went for a draw (McDonnell) and a Tyrone win (Doherty). Woolly himself was the rock of sense in the group but even he went for Tyrone to cover the three-point spread.
The point is, we've all taken a swing from time to time. We've all written match previews where we were, in Seán Moran's great phrase, "attempting to look wise after the event, before the event". This column is far from immune, having spent most of the years between 2011 and 2015 indulging in a frankly weird mania for giving the verdict to underdogs in matches against the Kilkenny hurlers. The thinking was probably that it would turn out to be right eventually. What an idiot.
Anyway, this is not that. Obviously if we start predicting on an annual basis that Dublin won't win the All-Ireland, the year will come around where that will be the case. But that's stopped clock stuff, of no use to anybody. It's not the point of the exercise here.
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The loss of Stephen Cluxton is a real thing. Ditto the loss of Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion and Cian O'Sullivan. File photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
No, it's more that we should all take a minute to mark the novelty of the moment we have. Breathe the air, take in the day. Recognise that at the sharp end of things at least, there is a championship afoot. The scandal of kicking the lower orders out after one game is a stain on it all but we can talk about that some other time.
This is about rejoicing in the fact that for this summer at least, the whole thing isn't a done deal. For all of Dublin's inarguable qualities throughout the Gavin era and last year, the chronic predictability of it all has been a pair of concrete slippers for the championship as a whole. We can admire Dublin and still want to puke at how straightforward they have made it.
Mayo's repeated and epic refusals to bow down is what endeared them to so many people along the way. Even at the height of that great rivalry though, you always felt on some level that you were stretching the arguments for Mayo in the build-up to games in a way you didn't have to do for Dublin. There were too many ifs and buts and ultimately, when it came down to it, you half-knew all the time that Dublin's bench would decide it in the end.
Things are different this year. The last time you could sit down mid-championship and be adamant that Dublin weren't going to win it all was in August 2012 when Pat Gilroy's team scraped past Laois in the last eight of their All-Ireland defence. They had already been unconvincing against Wexford and Meath in Leister and the key score in the Laois game was a goal from a deflection by Michael Darragh Macauley. They were anything but back-to-back champions in waiting and so it proved against Mayo next day out.
The championship has changed in the meantime and clearly there is no real danger to Dublin in Leinster. Meath will presumably feel every bit of the great vengeance and furious anger routine this coming Sunday and neither Kildare nor Westmeath are up to it either. But they will have to win two serious games against two serious teams after that. And for the first time in almost a decade, they have the look of a team who lack the firepower to pull it off.
The loss of Stephen Cluxton is a real thing. Ditto the loss of McCaffrey and Mannion and Cian O'Sullivan. But just as real is the gradual erosion of their cast of bit-part heroes. There's no Darren Daly to send on to do a job in any one of the defensive positions. There's no Paddy Andrews or Kevin McManamon to bring in as soon as one of the shooters kicks two wides. There's no Macauley to thud into midfield to change the tempo and tenor of a game.
Maybe these roles are going to be filled by Tom Lahiff and Peadar Ó Coifigh Byrne and the Basquel brothers and Aaron Byrne and Séan McMahon and Seán Bugler and Cillian O'Shea and Shane Carthy. But nobody knows that yet and so there's no reason for anyone to fear the reaper when Dublin start emptying the bench.
It would obviously be wrong to posit that Kerry or Mayo or Donegal or whoever have a more proven squad than Dublin. That is just not true. Dessie Farrell's side did win an All-Ireland just over seven months ago, after all.
But every one of those good teams must surely see Dublin in a reduced state and have immortal words of the British cox in an Olympic rowing event years ago ringing in their ears. If not now, when? If not you, who?
For the first time in years, mark this column down as one who doesn't see the answer being the obvious.
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2021, 01:04:14 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/malachy-clerkin-dublin-won-t-win-the-all-ireland-this-year-1.4621345
Malachy Clerkin: Dublin won't win the All-Ireland this year
For the first time in almost a decade, they've the look of a team who lack firepower
Malachy Clerkin
Dublin won't win the All-Ireland this year. Somebody will beat them at some stage over the next seven weeks. Could be Kerry at the end, could be Mayo in the semi-final, could be one of the northern teams if one of the other two fall before then. We know not the day nor the power. But it will happen.
This is not meant to be provocative. Truth be told, it's as much a shock to this column as it is to anyone to realise it. If it feels like an outlandish thing to declare, that's only because this is the first time in the past nine years when you could have felt confident even bringing it up.
Think back over it. At no stage during the six-in-a-row could you have banged your fist on the table and declared the Dubs would be beaten. The last time they lost a championship game was, famously, in 2014, a game that Donegal went into as the biggest outsiders in an All-Ireland semi-final for 20 years. The year before that was Jim Gavin's first, when he unleashed Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock et al on the championship and danced them all into submission.
For the first time in almost a decade, they have the look of a team who lack the firepower to pull it off
Oh, there have been your hunches and your feelings and your just-might-bes down the years. The mind drifts to Colm Parkinson's podcast the week before the Dubs played Tyrone in 2017 where neither of his guests predicted a Dublin win. Stevie McDonnell and Conan Doherty - no mug, either of them - got to the verdicts at the end and went for a draw (McDonnell) and a Tyrone win (Doherty). Woolly himself was the rock of sense in the group but even he went for Tyrone to cover the three-point spread.
The point is, we've all taken a swing from time to time. We've all written match previews where we were, in Seán Moran's great phrase, "attempting to look wise after the event, before the event". This column is far from immune, having spent most of the years between 2011 and 2015 indulging in a frankly weird mania for giving the verdict to underdogs in matches against the Kilkenny hurlers. The thinking was probably that it would turn out to be right eventually. What an idiot.
Anyway, this is not that. Obviously if we start predicting on an annual basis that Dublin won't win the All-Ireland, the year will come around where that will be the case. But that's stopped clock stuff, of no use to anybody. It's not the point of the exercise here.
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The loss of Stephen Cluxton is a real thing. Ditto the loss of Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion and Cian O'Sullivan. File photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
No, it's more that we should all take a minute to mark the novelty of the moment we have. Breathe the air, take in the day. Recognise that at the sharp end of things at least, there is a championship afoot. The scandal of kicking the lower orders out after one game is a stain on it all but we can talk about that some other time.
This is about rejoicing in the fact that for this summer at least, the whole thing isn't a done deal. For all of Dublin's inarguable qualities throughout the Gavin era and last year, the chronic predictability of it all has been a pair of concrete slippers for the championship as a whole. We can admire Dublin and still want to puke at how straightforward they have made it.
Mayo's repeated and epic refusals to bow down is what endeared them to so many people along the way. Even at the height of that great rivalry though, you always felt on some level that you were stretching the arguments for Mayo in the build-up to games in a way you didn't have to do for Dublin. There were too many ifs and buts and ultimately, when it came down to it, you half-knew all the time that Dublin's bench would decide it in the end.
Things are different this year. The last time you could sit down mid-championship and be adamant that Dublin weren't going to win it all was in August 2012 when Pat Gilroy's team scraped past Laois in the last eight of their All-Ireland defence. They had already been unconvincing against Wexford and Meath in Leister and the key score in the Laois game was a goal from a deflection by Michael Darragh Macauley. They were anything but back-to-back champions in waiting and so it proved against Mayo next day out.
The championship has changed in the meantime and clearly there is no real danger to Dublin in Leinster. Meath will presumably feel every bit of the great vengeance and furious anger routine this coming Sunday and neither Kildare nor Westmeath are up to it either. But they will have to win two serious games against two serious teams after that. And for the first time in almost a decade, they have the look of a team who lack the firepower to pull it off.
The loss of Stephen Cluxton is a real thing. Ditto the loss of McCaffrey and Mannion and Cian O'Sullivan. But just as real is the gradual erosion of their cast of bit-part heroes. There's no Darren Daly to send on to do a job in any one of the defensive positions. There's no Paddy Andrews or Kevin McManamon to bring in as soon as one of the shooters kicks two wides. There's no Macauley to thud into midfield to change the tempo and tenor of a game.
Maybe these roles are going to be filled by Tom Lahiff and Peadar Ó Coifigh Byrne and the Basquel brothers and Aaron Byrne and Séan McMahon and Seán Bugler and Cillian O'Shea and Shane Carthy. But nobody knows that yet and so there's no reason for anyone to fear the reaper when Dublin start emptying the bench.
It would obviously be wrong to posit that Kerry or Mayo or Donegal or whoever have a more proven squad than Dublin. That is just not true. Dessie Farrell's side did win an All-Ireland just over seven months ago, after all.
But every one of those good teams must surely see Dublin in a reduced state and have immortal words of the British cox in an Olympic rowing event years ago ringing in their ears. If not now, when? If not you, who?
For the first time in years, mark this column down as one who doesn't see the answer being the obvious.
I agree with this column but I still believe Dublin will win the AI. This is due something not touched on in this report;
The weakness of the other competition.
Don't get me wrong, Kerry are a formidable side that has players like Dave Clifford and Sean O'Shea who have football hanging out of them. However the rest of the field such as Mayo, Tyrone or Donegal are just not on Dublin or Kerry's level. This was proven in Kerry's complete annihilation of the O'Neill County in the league semi-final. Dublin do look exposed this year however I think the minimal fans suits Dublin as they are trained like pro athletes to block out every distraction. I predict Dublin will have their 7 in a row but it won't be as convincing as the past couple of years.
Malachy Clerkin known as a good journalist but poor on predictions.
"For the first time in almost a decade, they've the look of a team who lack firepower"... That's some statement!
Dublin: Evan Comerford; Michael Fitzsimons, David Byrne, Seán McMahon; James McCarthy, Brian Howard (0-2), Robert McDaid; Brian Fenton (0-2), Peadar Ó Cofaigh-Byrne; Paddy Small, Ciarán Kilkenny (0-1), Niall Scully; Ryan Basquel, Con O'Callaghan, Cormac Costello (0-7, 5 frees).
Subs: Tom Lahiff (0-1) for McDaid inj., (34); Seán Bugler for R. Basquel; Colm Basquel (0-1) for Scully (53); Aaron Byrne for Small (56); Dean Rock (0-1) for Byrne (66).
This was their lineup against Wexford. There were a lot of unfamiliar names compared to a peak Dublin and I think that Clerkin is correct in saying that they lack firepower. Their bench for instance no longer frightens teams when previously they were able to bring on All Stars like Connolly, Brogan, Howard, McMahon, O'Sullivan, Mannion etc with 20 minutes to go to see out matches. Now they are bringing in rookies. It's clear that Dublin are going through a transitionary period and it is only the weakness of the opposition that will enable them to win an AI this year. Some of those new players they are bringing in may well be decent but they will inevitably take time to bed in.
In saying all that, I still think that the only team who can beat them this year will be Kerry. On paper they have better players who are further on in their development at this stage. Compare the Kerry bench to the Dublin bench now and there is no comparision really.
Bit of wishful thinking in that article, could Dublin be caught in a one off game this year by Mayo or Kerry? Possibly yes, but to say that they won't win it is a bold statement, albeit there is certainly an arguement to be made that Dublin have not improved. Whether they have declined back to the level of the two closest challengers is unknown as of yet.
Kerry had a golden opportunity to beat Dublin in 2019 and completely blew it, until they actually do it they have serious potential, nothing more.
Malachi playing the role of useful eejit to give the impression there's a vibrant unpredictable AI competition this year.
i happen to think hes bang on the money , i dont understand this complete disgust when some offer an alternative to the commonly held narrative . injuries are also starting to hurt the dubs. look they are still favs but touching even money from 8/13 a couple of months ago. If we beat galway id give our bucks a good chance of actually winning the all ireland. kerry do not frighten me from a mayo perspective .
Quote from: larryin89 on July 16, 2021, 03:04:26 PM
i happen to think hes bang on the money , i dont understand this complete disgust when some offer an alternative to the commonly held narrative . injuries are also starting to hurt the dubs. look they are still favs but touching even money from 8/13 a couple of months ago. If we beat galway id give our bucks a good chance of actually winning the all ireland. kerry do not frighten me from a mayo perspective .
Delusional comment.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 16, 2021, 02:45:42 PM
Dublin: Evan Comerford; Michael Fitzsimons, David Byrne, Seán McMahon; James McCarthy, Brian Howard (0-2), Robert McDaid; Brian Fenton (0-2), Peadar Ó Cofaigh-Byrne; Paddy Small, Ciarán Kilkenny (0-1), Niall Scully; Ryan Basquel, Con O'Callaghan, Cormac Costello (0-7, 5 frees).
Subs: Tom Lahiff (0-1) for McDaid inj., (34); Seán Bugler for R. Basquel; Colm Basquel (0-1) for Scully (53); Aaron Byrne for Small (56); Dean Rock (0-1) for Byrne (66).
This was their lineup against Wexford. There were a lot of unfamiliar names compared to a peak Dublin and I think that Clerkin is correct in saying that they lack firepower. Their bench for instance no longer frightens teams when previously they were able to bring on All Stars like Connolly, Brogan, Howard, McMahon, O'Sullivan, Mannion etc with 20 minutes to go to see out matches. Now they are bringing in rookies. It's clear that Dublin are going through a transitionary period and it is only the weakness of the opposition that will enable them to win an AI this year. Some of those new players they are bringing in may well be decent but they will inevitably take time to bed in.
In saying all that, I still think that the only team who can beat them this year will be Kerry. On paper they have better players who are further on in their development at this stage. Compare the Kerry bench to the Dublin bench now and there is no comparision really.
I think this is correct. For the 6 in a row there hasn't been much between the starting XVs of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry, and the latter two left behind at least 1 AI each in the period. But Dubs bench was miles better than both during that period. That gap has now gone from huge to non-existent.
If I was ranking defence of those 3 teams I'd go
1. Mayo, 2. Dublin, 3. Kerry
But the exact opposite if ranking the attack.
Dubs still should have the edge in terms of the top 6 inches and belief, and still seem to be able to match everyone else for hunger.
The Ulster champions will have an advantage in terms of battle hardness. But the best team in Ulster may not win the Ulster championship
Am i reading that right hound you are saying Mayo have the best defence of the three teams?
Quote from: Hound on July 17, 2021, 08:04:29 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 16, 2021, 02:45:42 PM
Dublin: Evan Comerford; Michael Fitzsimons, David Byrne, Seán McMahon; James McCarthy, Brian Howard (0-2), Robert McDaid; Brian Fenton (0-2), Peadar Ó Cofaigh-Byrne; Paddy Small, Ciarán Kilkenny (0-1), Niall Scully; Ryan Basquel, Con O'Callaghan, Cormac Costello (0-7, 5 frees).
Subs: Tom Lahiff (0-1) for McDaid inj., (34); Seán Bugler for R. Basquel; Colm Basquel (0-1) for Scully (53); Aaron Byrne for Small (56); Dean Rock (0-1) for Byrne (66).
This was their lineup against Wexford. There were a lot of unfamiliar names compared to a peak Dublin and I think that Clerkin is correct in saying that they lack firepower. Their bench for instance no longer frightens teams when previously they were able to bring on All Stars like Connolly, Brogan, Howard, McMahon, O'Sullivan, Mannion etc with 20 minutes to go to see out matches. Now they are bringing in rookies. It's clear that Dublin are going through a transitionary period and it is only the weakness of the opposition that will enable them to win an AI this year. Some of those new players they are bringing in may well be decent but they will inevitably take time to bed in.
In saying all that, I still think that the only team who can beat them this year will be Kerry. On paper they have better players who are further on in their development at this stage. Compare the Kerry bench to the Dublin bench now and there is no comparision really.
I think this is correct. For the 6 in a row there hasn't been much between the starting XVs of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry, and the latter two left behind at least 1 AI each in the period. But Dubs bench was miles better than both during that period. That gap has now gone from huge to non-existent.
If I was ranking defence of those 3 teams I'd go
1. Mayo, 2. Dublin, 3. Kerry
But the exact opposite if ranking the attack.
Dubs still should have the edge in terms of the top 6 inches and belief, and still seem to be able to match everyone else for hunger.
The Ulster champions will have an advantage in terms of battle hardness. But the best team in Ulster may not win the Ulster championship
Surely you are fishing there
The Kerry hype is now in overdrive, so much so that they are now favourites to win the AI over a 7 in a row chasing Dublin. Justifiably so in my opinion but they still have to prove that they can get over the line and win an AI title.
They looked good once they got going yesterday, easily favorites for it now
Quote from: larryin89 on July 17, 2021, 09:53:30 PM
Am i reading that right hound you are saying Mayo have the best defence of the three teams?
In my view, Yes.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 26, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
The Kerry hype is now in overdrive, so much so that they are now favourites to win the AI over a 7 in a row chasing Dublin. Justifiably so in my opinion but they still have to prove that they can get over the line and win an AI title.
More to do with the form of Dublin I'd say. Mayo will beat them if they don't improve on what they showed in the NFL and championship games against Wexford, Meath.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 26, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
They looked good once they got going yesterday, easily favorites for it now
On paper Dublin are better, Kerry haven't even beaten anyone in championship, beat by Cork last year remember, Cork were a shambles yesterday, played 20 minutes of football and opened the gate for 50.
Dublin haven't got out of first gear either. The semis will be the test for all four contenders.
Good price now for Dublin, 11/8, they'll beat Mayo, as they do and beat the other finalists
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 26, 2021, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 26, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
The Kerry hype is now in overdrive, so much so that they are now favourites to win the AI over a 7 in a row chasing Dublin. Justifiably so in my opinion but they still have to prove that they can get over the line and win an AI title.
More to do with the form of Dublin I'd say. Mayo will beat them if they don't improve on what they showed in the NFL and championship games against Wexford, Meath.
Undoubtedly Dublins form is a factor as they are not putting teams to the sword in the manner of previous seasons. The most reliable form guide is still the drawn league encounter between the sides about 2 months back. I think Kerry have more scope for improvement epitomised by Paudie Clifford who is playing like an animal in every match. It's probably the first time in 10 years that the Dubs have not been favourites to win an All Ireland.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 26, 2021, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 26, 2021, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 26, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
The Kerry hype is now in overdrive, so much so that they are now favourites to win the AI over a 7 in a row chasing Dublin. Justifiably so in my opinion but they still have to prove that they can get over the line and win an AI title.
More to do with the form of Dublin I'd say. Mayo will beat them if they don't improve on what they showed in the NFL and championship games against Wexford, Meath.
Undoubtedly Dublins form is a factor as they are not putting teams to the sword in the manner of previous seasons. The most reliable form guide is still the drawn league encounter between the sides about 2 months back. I think Kerry have more scope for improvement epitomised by Paudie Clifford who is playing like an animal in every match. It's probably the first time in 10 years that the Dubs have not been favourites to win an All Ireland.
That league match in May was 19 scores to 13 how likely are Dublin to score 4 goals again if they are to meet Kerry this summer. If Dublin beat Kildare by 10 plus points in the Leinster final they will be back favourites again.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 26, 2021, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 26, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
They looked good once they got going yesterday, easily favorites for it now
On paper Dublin are better, Kerry haven't even beaten anyone in championship, beat by Cork last year remember, Cork were a shambles yesterday, played 20 minutes of football and opened the gate for 50.
Dublin haven't got out of first gear either. The semis will be the test for all four contenders.
Good price now for Dublin, 11/8, they'll beat Mayo, as they do and beat the other finalists
That is true too, havent seen Dublin in full flight, but maybe they wont reach full flight either, Kildare first, lets see.
First time in a decade Dublin are not favorites for the All Ireland
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
First time in a decade Dublin are not favorites for the All Ireland
Bookies trying to generate interest and skin a few extra Rabbits!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
First time in a decade Dublin are not favorites for the All Ireland
Bookies trying to generate interest and skin a few extra Rabbits!
The main reason Kerry are currently favourites is that Kerry only have to win 2 more games to win the All-Ireland versus Dublin having to win 3 games.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 27, 2021, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
First time in a decade Dublin are not favorites for the All Ireland
Bookies trying to generate interest and skin a few extra Rabbits!
The main reason Kerry are currently favourites is that Kerry only have to win 2 more games to win the All-Ireland versus Dublin having to win 3 games.
If it is a Dublin v Kerry final Dublin will be favourites again.
I think it was 2013 Mayo were briefly favourites for the All Ireland after beating Donegal in the quarter final. Dublin had to play Kerry in the semi final but they went back favourites after winning that.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 27, 2021, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
First time in a decade Dublin are not favorites for the All Ireland
Bookies trying to generate interest and skin a few extra Rabbits!
The main reason Kerry are currently favourites is that Kerry only have to win 2 more games to win the All-Ireland versus Dublin having to win 3 games.
Dublin are 1/20 against Kildare so the extra game would have little to no bearing on the price.
The betting is based on how Kerry dismantled Cork after the first 20mins and how Dublin have been in 2nd gear the whole cship.
If Dublin scrape past Kildare then Kerry will stay favs - if the Dubs tank Kildare then expect them to both be around the same price
The fact is Kerry are favorites for the all Ireland, all comments above meaningless.
Dublin were 1/2 two years ago for the All Ireland. . . . .
Although it do see Small, Murch and McDaid are back training, so maybe still in with a chance..
The Dubs have never got the hang of the yerra stuff at all.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2021, 09:39:56 AM
The Dubs have never got the hang of the yerra stuff at all.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40346186.html
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 28, 2021, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2021, 09:39:56 AM
The Dubs have never got the hang of the yerra stuff at all.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40346186.html
You need to study this article more! ;)
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
How many All Ireland titles in total have an asterix beside them?
I may be open to correction but Tyrone won 2 blemished titles in 2005 & 2008, Galway in 2001 and at least one of the Kerry sides of the 00's.
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
Hardly impressive as all of Dublin's titles since back door were bought plain and simple. Without financial doping they'd more than likely still be staring back at 1995 and following soccer.
::) ;D
2 good points above there lads.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2021, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
How many All Ireland titles in total have an asterix beside them?
I may be open to correction but Tyrone won 2 blemished titles in 2005 & 2008, Galway in 2001 and at least one of the Kerry sides of the 00's.
I think thats unfair on Tyrone to say they have an asterisk beside their wins...
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
If Tyrone were in Leinster they wouldn't need qualifiers either.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 29, 2021, 08:22:29 AM
Quote from: Rawhide on July 28, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-open-feel-to-football-championship-may-signal-a-transformation-1.4632097?mode=amp
Since their most recent All-Ireland success in 2014 Kerry they have played Dublin four times in championship, winning none – and extending the sequence to six in succession, a blue stretch unparalleled in relations between the counties; Dublin had never previously won more than two championship matches in a row against Kerry
Tyrone getting to 3 in the noughties is more impressive now reading that. Kerrys to lose this year.
Not overly as Dublins have all been through the front door. No second chances for them making it more impressive.
If Tyrone were in Leinster they wouldn't need qualifiers either.
Dont get involved Redhand
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
I certainly wouldn't be dismissing that Kerry side at all, they were arguably the 3rd greatest side of the last few generations anyway when you consider their consistency in both getting to and winning AI titles. Though not on a scale with the current Dublin, I wouldn't dismiss either the level of resources poured into Kerry football though. There is a strong correlation between resources poured in and ultimate success.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 29, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
I certainly wouldn't be dismissing that Kerry side at all, they were arguably the 3rd greatest side of the last few generations anyway when you consider their consistency in both getting to and winning AI titles. Though not on a scale with the current Dublin, I wouldn't dismiss either the level of resources poured into Kerry football though. There is a strong correlation between resources poured in and ultimate success.
Bottom line is that throughout that decade, when they met Tyrone, they lost. That's not greatness.
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
It was Tyrone and Armagh who started GAA professionalism in the early 00s. A lot to answer for,
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
Technically Cork are now outside the last decade! So it's only Donegal and Kerry.
Kerry lost games in Munster to Cork during that period. If they were as good as you say they were they'd be dominating their Province as well?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2021, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 29, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
This is worth putting some thought into. Only for Tyrone and Armagh in the noughties Kerry would have won every all ireland from 02 - 09. They were an absolutely top notch team and are largely dismissed because fortune favoured the Dubs in the last 10. The only difference in the last 10 years and the previous 10 outside the financial doping of Dublin was that Kerry had genuine opposition in Tyrone and in 02 Armagh. That constitutes 8 in a row but for the Ulster Giants. The last decade everyone has failed to come to the party outside Donegal kerry and Cork in one offs.
Technically Cork are now outside the last decade! So it's only Donegal and Kerry.
Kerry lost games in Munster to Cork during that period. If they were as good as you say they were they'd be dominating their Province as well?
No team in Leinster in the past 10 or so years has been anywhere near the Cork teams at that time.
The Cork team that won the all Ireland were maybe the weakest compared to their stronger outfits the previous couple of years which met a great Kerry team still motoring well. They done though what Mayo needs to do, just stumble over the line in a final.
Cork had some belter teams and the one that won it wasn't as good as ones they had several other years.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
Cork had some belter teams and the one that won it wasn't as good as ones they had several other years.
A lot of the time it is about timing.
Clare hurlers couldn't beat the Cork 3 in a row team. Donegal beat a poor Dublin team when Kerry were weak.
Mayo couldn't beat Dublin. Galway beat Kildare.
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
Cork had some belter teams and the one that won it wasn't as good as ones they had several other years.
A lot of the time it is about timing.
Clare hurlers couldn't beat the Cork 3 in a row team. Donegal beat a poor Dublin team when Kerry were weak.
Mayo couldn't beat Dublin. Galway beat Kildare.
Tipp beat Antrim to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Cork beat Mayo to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2021, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
Cork had some belter teams and the one that won it wasn't as good as ones they had several other years.
A lot of the time it is about timing.
Clare hurlers couldn't beat the Cork 3 in a row team. Donegal beat a poor Dublin team when Kerry were weak.
Mayo couldn't beat Dublin. Galway beat Kildare.
Tipp beat Antrim to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Cork beat Mayo to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Cork were robbed in 88, can't recall a worse decision in an All Ireland Final given it was practically the last kick of the game.
Not sure what business a Kerryman had refereeing a final involving Cork.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 29, 2021, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2021, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
Cork had some belter teams and the one that won it wasn't as good as ones they had several other years.
A lot of the time it is about timing.
Clare hurlers couldn't beat the Cork 3 in a row team. Donegal beat a poor Dublin team when Kerry were weak.
Mayo couldn't beat Dublin. Galway beat Kildare.
Tipp beat Antrim to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Cork beat Mayo to make the breakthrough in 1989.
Cork were robbed in 88, can't recall a worse decision in an All Ireland Final given it was practically the last kick of the game.
Not sure what business a Kerryman had refereeing a final involving Cork.
Yeah the David Beggy Phantom free at the end of the game. You can see Beggy originally loses the ball and thinks the free is against him until he looks around and is relieved to see it's a free for Meath.
Incident happens at 2:06:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npt1GMBQupk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npt1GMBQupk)
Cant see them stopped now, Tyrone wont trouble them and they will win the final well.
Tyrone will give Kerry their fill of it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
Kerry aren't good enough defensively to win this year's All-Ireland and they got rid of a good coach that may brought the improvement needed in defence.
First page of this thread and how it turned out for Kerry.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 13, 2021, 11:06:09 PM
some craic if it ended up a Tyrone v Mayo final.
mighty craic surely
Close this thread!
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 02, 2021, 07:20:59 AM
Cant see them stopped now, Tyrone wont trouble them and they will win the final well.
Not without re-seeing a gem such as this! :D
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 02, 2021, 07:20:59 AM
Cant see them stopped now, Tyrone wont trouble them and they will win the final well.
Oh hoooo!! Here's another.
Football is shite anyhow, fur boys canny hurl
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Quote from: TheGreatest on August 02, 2021, 07:20:59 AM
Cant see them stopped now, Tyrone wont trouble them and they will win the final well.
Not without re-seeing a gem such as this! :D
The Greatest bluffer?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/old-failings-apparent-again-as-kerry-suffer-another-devastating-defeat-1.4659138?mode=amp
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2021, 08:00:32 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/old-failings-apparent-again-as-kerry-suffer-another-devastating-defeat-1.4659138?mode=amp
Fabulous article. Kerry have a long way back.
I'm starting to get a bit fed up already listening to the recriminations and excuses emanating from the media since yesterday's match. Much of the talk has been redirected from potential dynasties pre match (before even one AI has been won) towards 8 year famines and droughts that most other counties would yearn for. They were over hyped before the match due largely to recent success at U-18 level and a couple of star players in Clifford and O'Shea.
Paidi was right all those years ago, they are effing animals and I wouldn't like to be in Peter Keane's shoes over the next few months. I hope for his sake that he gets a proper chance to redeem himself but sadly I think he will have no say in the matter.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
I'm starting to get a bit fed up already listening to the recriminations and excuses emanating from the media since yesterday's match. Much of the talk has been redirected from potential dynasties pre match (before even one AI has been won) towards 8 year famines and droughts that most other counties would yearn for. They were over hyped before the match due largely to recent success at U-18 level and a couple of star players in Clifford and O'Shea.
Paidi was right all those years ago, they are effing animals and I wouldn't like to be in Peter Keane's shoes over the next few months. I hope for his sake that he gets a proper chance to redeem himself but sadly I think he will have no say in the matter.
Peter keane is the culprit. What happens donnie buckley , who replaced him , a mountain climber ? Hes totally out of his depth , he had zero tactical plan for Tyrone. Nah ,I'm not having it that Tyrone are a better side than kerry , management at fault just like cork game last year .
Who is Donie Buckley with now or last with?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2021, 12:24:27 PM
Who is Donie Buckley with now or last with?
Monaghan I think
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone's aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you'd ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you'd swear they were beat out the gate!
2019
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
Mike Quirke, who looks set to be officially confirmed as the new Laois manager in the next 24 hours, echoed Fitzmaurice by describing the mood in Kerry as "absurdly positive", but warned that many feel Peter Keane's charges missed a glorious opportunity to dethrone the champions in the drawn game.
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone's aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you'd ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you'd swear they were beat out the gate!
I'd agree with all of that but still think Keane is out of his depth or simply incompetent as an inter county manager at this level
Quote from: larryin89 on August 30, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
I'm starting to get a bit fed up already listening to the recriminations and excuses emanating from the media since yesterday's match. Much of the talk has been redirected from potential dynasties pre match (before even one AI has been won) towards 8 year famines and droughts that most other counties would yearn for. They were over hyped before the match due largely to recent success at U-18 level and a couple of star players in Clifford and O'Shea.
Paidi was right all those years ago, they are effing animals and I wouldn't like to be in Peter Keane's shoes over the next few months. I hope for his sake that he gets a proper chance to redeem himself but sadly I think he will have no say in the matter.
Peter keane is the culprit. What happens donnie buckley , who replaced him , a mountain climber ? Hes totally out of his depth , he had zero tactical plan for Tyrone. Nah ,I'm not having it that Tyrone are a better side than kerry , management at fault just like cork game last year .
All this talk of culprits and scapegoats is a bit harsh. It's not like Donie Buckley has won an AI title which is the only real currency for success in Kerry.
Football is not an exact science which is always won by the team with the best footballers. Players cannot be absolved of all responsibility and management hung out to dry.
Kerry's big run of Minor successes wasn't followed by u21/20 successes. The latter is where you're more likely to get your senior players from.
The media narrative this week shouldn't be about Kerry embarrassment or failure. It should be about just how difficult it is to win an All Ireland now, compared to the 1980s.... even if a provincial title is a foregone conclusion.
And you know what? Football is a better game for it.
This. Also they were beat by a point - one point.
I understand all that and its certainly not an exact science thank fook but if you're failing to read a game during game time or if you've not prepared to combat the opposition tactics before hand is that down to players or management? For me , tyrone are very good at stopping runners off the shoulder , making it tight as fook, yet kerry kept running into it whilst having some very decent kickers . Might sound old fashioned but take your points might be apt .
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone's aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you'd ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you'd swear they were beat out the gate!
It was the media narrative that put Kerry so far ahead of Tyrone before the games based mostly on the league encounter and Kerry league performance. It was based on weak enough data. So they needed someone to pin the blame on someone. The team lines ups were much closer before the game than many people wanted to admit!!
I think there is a bit of that tbh. I thought Kerry would beat Tyrone by a bit to spare but Tyrone were just better than them on the day.
Larry part of what you say I agree with but he didn't decide to pass the ball to O'Brien in the square, he didn't stand in the square when it was obvious, he didn't go from goal when a fisted point was on, didn't kick from a bad position last kick of the game etc. When the going got tough the decision making of some of Kerry's best players was found wanting. Tactics could have been better too mind you.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 30, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
This. Also they were beat by a point - one point.
they brought Dublin to a draw in 2019. A draw.
They were beaten in 2020 by a last minute goal. A last minute goal
It's not good enough for Kerry.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone’s aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you’d ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you’d swear they were beat out the gate!
Reading this kinda shows why Mayo are favourites for the final. Of the two semi final wins Mayos was the more impressive and they beat a better team who was much harder to beat.
As good as Tyrones hard earned win was against Kerry i doubt they'd be in the final if they played Dublin in the semi final as key to beating Dublin was holding them to 0-14 in 90 minutes.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone's aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you'd ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you'd swear they were beat out the gate!
Reading this kinda shows why Mayo are favourites for the final. Of the two semi final wins Mayos was the more impressive and they beat a better team who was much harder to beat.
As good as Tyrones hard earned win was against Kerry i doubt they'd be in the final if they played Dublin in the semi final as key to beating Dublin was holding them to 0-14 in 90 minutes.
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Various bits from the Irish times
Two issues at half-time: Tyrone were clearly ahead in all of the indicative areas, more tackles and turnovers as well as on the scoreboard and for all Kerry's highly-rated forwards, just two, Seán O'Shea, well marked by Pádraig Hampsey, and David Clifford had exclusively bagged all the scores; they would finish with 0-16 out of a total of 0-22.
Four of the outstanding six points were scored in extra time and so for the first 70 minutes, Kerry's attacks were somewhat predictable.
The goal encapsulated another manifest advantage for Tyrone: their bench added vigour and excitement.
All in all, a big setback for Kerry, who as soon as Dublin went out were written up as overwhelming favourites for the All-Ireland.
Maybe the worst of it for Kerry is that they finish the season with no new lament to sing. They didn't find out anything about themselves on Saturday night that they didn't already know. Or at least, in their heart of hearts, suspect. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Everything that has held them back from adding a 38th All-Ireland title to the pile since their last one in 2014 was evident in abundance against Tyrone. A forward unit relying on a brilliant free-taker to kick his frees and a generational talent to be generational and not get hurt. A middle third of willing, largely interchangeable worker bees. A defence that is quick but light and far too often exposed.
This summer confirmed that losing to Cork like that was a one-off. But it has also confirmed that the much-decried defensive system Peter Keane was trying to impose in 2020 was there for a reason. That reason didn't disappear just because the fallout from the Cork defeat made setting up like that again in 2021 a non-starter.
Fundamentally, Kerry have had a shortage of reliable, knotty defenders for the best part of a decade now. They have one All Star defender from the past five seasons, Tom O'Sullivan's 2019 award standing alone.
For the fourth time in five seasons – and the third in a row – Kerry go out of the championship without scoring a goal in their final game.
Yet even on one leg – and barely on it at that – Clifford was still Kerry's most reliable route to the scoreboard. They scored two more points in those 15 remaining normal-time minutes, one of them an O'Shea free after Clifford was fouled and the other a free that Clifford tapped over himself.
Kerry's dependence on the boy prince isn't healthy for him or them.
Incredibly, this defeat means Kerry have won just one of their last 11 games in league and championship in Croke Park.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
For a team that was supposedly tactically inept and supposedly not prepared for Tyrone's aggression and who missed one of the most gilt edged goal chances you'd ever see, they did draw the game. Against a team playing out of its skin.
Even in extra time, with Kerry out on their feet, down by 5 points, without their talisman, they still managed to give themselves a great chance to snatch a last gasp equalizer.
With some of the post match media analysis, you'd swear they were beat out the gate!
Reading this kinda shows why Mayo are favourites for the final. Of the two semi final wins Mayos was the more impressive and they beat a better team who was much harder to beat.
As good as Tyrones hard earned win was against Kerry i doubt they'd be in the final if they played Dublin in the semi final as key to beating Dublin was holding them to 0-14 in 90 minutes.
Mayo's formline definitely stronger. They are worthy favourites to bring Sam Maguire home and end the hoodoo.
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Told you all the pressure would get to them....
Well done Tyrone..
Well look, Keane will be gone.
Most of the backroom team hail from south west Kerry, his brother up in the stands watching the game and providing radio support.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
Quote from: fearsiuil on September 03, 2021, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
This. He tried to start something and he picked the wrong lad to try to bully. I'd say he's sorry now.
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
Agree Keegan and O'Connor brother getting away with years. Horan appointment on 2011 was game changer Mayo. no more mr nice guys. In fairness has paid off.
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 03, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on September 03, 2021, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
This. He tried to start something and he picked the wrong lad to try to bully. I'd say he's sorry now.
If a Tyrone or Kerry lad done what O'Hora did would be 2 match ban.
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 03, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
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Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
This. He tried to start something and he picked the wrong lad to try to bully. I'd say he's sorry now.
If a Tyrone or Kerry lad done what O'Hora did would be 2 match ban.
Sure why not go the whole hog and claim the Kerry or Tyrone lads would have gotten 9 months of a ban?. If you're going to talk through you hoop you may as well go big or go home.
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 03, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 03, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 03, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on September 03, 2021, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
This. He tried to start something and he picked the wrong lad to try to bully. I'd say he's sorry now.
If a Tyrone or Kerry lad done what O'Hora did would be 2 match ban.
Sure why not go the whole hog and claim the Kerry or Tyrone lads would have gotten 9 months of a ban?. If you're going to talk through you hoop you may as well go big or go home.
You said Walsh picked on wrong lad. No excuse for referee not to take action. Lane missed OShea throwing punches at half time in that game in tunnel and running onto pitch before game finished last day. It strange TSG never highlight.this?
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 04, 2021, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 03, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on September 03, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on September 03, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on September 03, 2021, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 30, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
Especially considering the first half of Mayo v Dublin
Was a carbon copy of the 1st half v Galway and enough evidence not to write Mayo off if Tyrone happen to lead the 1st half of this upcoming final by a couple of points.
Mayos conditioning and ability to up the gears in intensity is what won the Connacht final and All-Ireland semi final.
Plus they took out Shane Walsh. As Sylvie Linnane observed,"lads ye won't win anything without a few tinkers.."
You mean Shane Walsh bit off more than he could chew.
An té nach bhfuil láidir ní foláir dó a bheith glic. Ní raibh Shane glic.
This. He tried to start something and he picked the wrong lad to try to bully. I'd say he's sorry now.
If a Tyrone or Kerry lad done what O'Hora did would be 2 match ban.
Sure why not go the whole hog and claim the Kerry or Tyrone lads would have gotten 9 months of a ban?. If you're going to talk through you hoop you may as well go big or go home.
You said Walsh picked on wrong lad. No excuse for referee not to take action. Lane missed OShea throwing punches at half time in that game in tunnel and running onto pitch before game finished last day. It strange TSG never highlight.this?
I still remember the way an incident involving donie smith was analysed and discussed on rte and he subsequently got punished for it.
Rules are rules and the SG panel should be highlighting when players aren't penalised for foul play or other transgressions like being on the pitch when they should be up in the stands
Depends on the perceived importance of the County, the Competition and the stage of the Competition ::)
Jack O'Connor has resigned as manager of the Lilywhites.
Peter Keane to go next?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30951089.html
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