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[When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Is it really? Them is plural. Believe it or not however open minded people try to be, it is a bit of a jump addressing one person in the plural.

It can be plural.

I was talking to Jim the other day. They asked about you.

Ok 

[When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Is it really? Them is plural. Believe it or not however open minded people try to be, it is a bit of a jump addressing one person in the plural.

It doesn't outrage me at all but 'them' is not a person's name..
Them is a pronoun that refers to more than one person... how can one person be 'them'?
With it all I mean for practical reasons not that religious fundamentalism?
Teacher pointing at students: 'you-you-you and them, stand up!'

Hypothetically if someone drives into you and you don't know anything about them yet, you would be right in saying "they drove into me, the damage to my car was done by them".

Even if it was a big bearded muck savage wearing wellingtons from the Loup?  Not him.. the hure?!

You're adding more confusion here, no one outside the tight family circle will really know 😁

  don't know why I got involved in this debate... can't make head or tail of the whole thing! apart from Enoch being a fundamentalist idiot.
And shouldn't have dragged the good people of the Loup into it    

It doesn't outrage me at all but 'them' is not a person's name..
Them is a pronoun that refers to more than one person... how can one person be 'them'?
With it all I mean for practical reasons not that religious fundamentalism?
Teacher pointing at students: 'you-you-you and them, stand up!'

That doesn't make any sense.

They/them is used instead of she/her or he/him, not you.

Right enough plural 'you' as well. All hypothetical.. I haven't met anyone who asked to be referred to as 'they' or 'them'.. so when it happens... 🤷

It doesn't outrage me at all but 'them' is not a person's name..
Them is a pronoun that refers to more than one person... how can one person be 'them'?
With it all I mean for practical reasons not that religious fundamentalism?
Teacher pointing at students: 'you-you-you and them, stand up!'

Hypothetically if someone drives into you and you don't know anything about them yet, you would be right in saying "they drove into me, the damage to my car was done by them".

Even if it was a big bearded muck savage wearing wellingtons from the Loup?  Not him.. the hure?!

It doesn't outrage me at all but 'them' is not a person's name..
Them is a pronoun that refers to more than one person... how can one person be 'them'?
With it all I mean for practical reasons not that religious fundamentalism?
Teacher pointing at students: 'you-you-you and them, stand up!'

What about "yousuns"?

What about ' our blade'? (Surely blades don't  have a gender?)

Tyrone folk  seem to use that a lot.

Blade is female... totally. Have never heard blade refer to a male.

Be interested to know the details of part (2)...
He certainly likes to grandstand!

Widely available, for years now, if you cared to look.

Strangly usually had better things to do. If it's anything like the family's performances in court and other public places is well away from children.
As for calling one person they... not in a hundred years would I do it. If a man decides he's a woman, 'she' no bother but 2 persons for 1 individual is taking the p*ss.. not even possible.
Although I think God claimed to be 3 persons in 1 🤷

[Calling someone they if you don't know their gender is correct English usage.]

I'm not sure I could bring myself to call a person 'they'. Nothing to do with religion, I just dont understand how one person can be two persons.
However that's not the full story and I'm sure he could have got round that...
Court paper states:
Mr. Burke has been dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct arising out of (1) his refusal to obey a direction of the school that a transgender pupil be addressed by the surname "they" and
(2) because of his gross misconduct at a school religious service (and other events) and the manner in which he conducted his objection to transgenderism.
Be interested to know the details of part (2)...
He certainly likes to grandstand!

Calling someone they if you don't know their gender is correct English usage.

On 2, he got an email asking staff to call a kid he didn't teach they. He hunted down the headmistress and found her at a church service which he disrupted to physically confront her. He was dragged out by other church goers.

When he received an email telling him he was on a disciplinary for the above, he repeated the trick and physically confronted her in a resteraunt, also having to be dragged out by the general public.

Hypothetically I don't know anyone's gender, that I've just met until they tell me. The 'they' attitude aside...
On the behaviour he used to deal with it, deserves all he gets. Like the rest of his family an old testament attention seeker.

I'm not sure I could bring myself to call a person 'they'. Nothing to do with religion, I just dont understand how one person can be two persons.
However that's not the full story and I'm sure he could have got round that...
Court paper states:
Mr. Burke has been dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct arising out of (1) his refusal to obey a direction of the school that a transgender pupil be addressed by the surname "they" and
(2) because of his gross misconduct at a school religious service (and other events) and the manner in which he conducted his objection to transgenderism.
Be interested to know the details of part (2)...
He certainly likes to grandstand!

Obviously has no regard for the children relentlessly bringing that circus to their school gate and previouly wandering the corridors. Would not want him teaching my children. Fundamentalist fanatic born at the wrong time. Would have been well suited to 1970s and before here.

Hoping to see an influx of band uniforms in the bars in town lol!

DUP MLAs on social very triumphant about Commonwealth flag issue. Does anyone, other than themselves, really care about the Commonwealth games or what flag they carry?

I'm not sure what the craic is here? Someone from the games committee said lets try something else, no one complained when it went to the Hill and then when people did complain those that didn't do something about complained? 

Don't know - don't care. A load DUP MLAs put up similar message bout it this morning and followers then gloating at the outcome... I was then thinking: who cares? Why they gloating?

DUP MLAs on social very triumphant about Commonwealth flag issue. Does anyone, other than themselves, really care about the Commonwealth games or what flag they carry?

Irish News reporting that anti-Allianz motions won't be allowed to go before annual GAA Congress next month.
Neil McManus suggesting 'politically aware' players should make protest gestures during the league and Pascal Canavan saying he can't see how any captain could lift an Allianz trophy this year.
League about to be a PR disaster for GAA/Allianz sponsorship.
Leading campaigners are furious.

I have visited the States under Bush x 2, Obama x 2, Trump and Biden and not really noticed a difference at all. It's still the same country with the same people, good and bad but mostly good.

Unless you happen to be brown.

Are you brown? Or just want to be?

Neither, but I'd prefer a world where brown people can walk up the street without being detained by a bunch of masked lunatics....

Careful what you wish for...

Meaning?

I have visited the States under Bush x 2, Obama x 2, Trump and Biden and not really noticed a difference at all. It's still the same country with the same people, good and bad but mostly good.

Unless you happen to be brown.

Are you brown? Or just want to be?

Neither, but I'd prefer a world where brown people can walk up the street without being detained by a bunch of masked lunatics....

Careful what you wish for...

Meaning?

Meaning he's racist.