Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[tonto1888]

so the potential for hypocrisy from Ukraine is there then

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Not sure how Ukraine can expect worldwide support and not even do something as simple as support for a ceasefire in Gaza.

An abstention is the wisest choice for a country in Ukraine's position.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

if there was any pressure on Ukraine would it not have been to vote against the ceasefire like the US did?

Who knows but an abstention would be the natural choice for any country which finds itself in an awkward situation with regard to allies voting one way at the UN and perhaps not wanting to anger them.

If your allies are supporting Israel it's time to get new allies...

Puerile nonsense.

[Keyser soze]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows. 

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

[tonto1888]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

Not really, when your very survival is reliant on aid and weapons from a wavering US. And an abstention is not a vote against, as I've pointed out many times already.

[tonto1888]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

Not really, when your very survival is reliant on aid and weapons from a wavering US. And an abstention is not a vote against, as I've pointed out many times already.

so you keep saying. An abstention may not be a vote against but it is certainly not a vote for. And as I said, it's odd from Ukraine. Until you consider that Zelensky is pretty much pro israel

[PadraicHenryPearse]

al Jazeera reporting that women and children excuted in a school by the IDF.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

Not really, when your very survival is reliant on aid and weapons from a wavering US. And an abstention is not a vote against, as I've pointed out many times already.

so you keep saying. An abstention may not be a vote against but it is certainly not a vote for. And as I said, it's odd from Ukraine. Until you consider that Zelensky is pretty much pro israel

There are 40 Million Ukrainians. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

[tonto1888]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

Not really, when your very survival is reliant on aid and weapons from a wavering US. And an abstention is not a vote against, as I've pointed out many times already.

so you keep saying. An abstention may not be a vote against but it is certainly not a vote for. And as I said, it's odd from Ukraine. Until you consider that Zelensky is pretty much pro israel

There are 40 Million Ukrainians. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

many of whom are suffering at the hands of russia in the same way Palestinians are suffering at the hands of israel. Odd decision from Ukraine

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

Yeah I am sort of foolish like that tbf. Chagrined now that you've pointed it out.

Silly old me, I Find myself liking people more when they vote against dropping high explosives on babies than when they don't.

Wish I was a bit more sensible and pragmatic like yourself, maybe when I grow up who knows.

The Ukrainians know all about having high explosives dropped on them. I'm sure all they need is a good dose of your idealism to see them through this tight spot they're in.

which makes their decision to abstain even odder

Not really, when your very survival is reliant on aid and weapons from a wavering US. And an abstention is not a vote against, as I've pointed out many times already.

so you keep saying. An abstention may not be a vote against but it is certainly not a vote for. And as I said, it's odd from Ukraine. Until you consider that Zelensky is pretty much pro israel

There are 40 Million Ukrainians. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

many of whom are suffering at the hands of russia in the same way Palestinians are suffering at the hands of israel. Odd decision from Ukraine

IMO quite understandable given their reliance on the US. I wish it were otherwise. The US is an unreliable ally.

[seafoid]

Ukraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Ireland was not a member of the Axis. It was politically impossible for Ireland to go to war with the Brits less than 20 years after the Black and Tans and partition but some help was provided all the same.

The Brits giving up the Treaty ports in 1938 was very short-sighted. 

[seafoid]

Ukraine needs the US and the EU to keep their support going. It needs €41nn just to keep Government going. The budget is allocated to the military.  It cannot afford political grandstanding.  Give them a break. 

[Eire90]

so hamas just threatened brits so does that mean the uk now have a right to put boots on the ground in gaza.