Hurling championship 2021

Started by seafoid, April 27, 2021, 09:24:05 AM

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Milltown Row2

Tipps wristy hurling was missing yesterday, dropped too many passes and some poor wides..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.




clonadmad

Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.

neither keeper is up to scratch tbh Aaron Browne is the coming man

Tipp County Board have a key decision to make in the coming few months which will affect the fortunes of tipp hurling well into this decade.

do they give Sheedy 2/3 years to rebuild

if he doesn't want it

do they recruit from within the existing management ?

or do they go bullheaded for Cahill whos 2 years is up with Waterford at the end of this campaign ?

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.

Waterford won't be able to run through the Limerick defence like they have the last two weekends.

Tipp got joy out of bypassing this and knocking the highball down to oncoming runners in the first half of the Munster final. Limerick put a stop to that in the end. Waterford might need a plan B as well. Gleeson is decent in the air but will need to bag a goal or two if his knee isn't bolloxed.

It'll be interesting to see how this new Cork fare against a hard hitting Kilkenny..




clonadmad

Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.

You'd swear Limerick invented the running game

The reality is that tipp and galway were found out this year because they had the greatest number of over 30's in their squads

Tipp had 5 clear cut goal chances in the game v Waterford anytime between 09-19 they would nailed 3/4 of them,but age has caught them in a game of milliseconds

Cork had 10 of the u21eam beaten by tipp in 18,tipp had one

Galway are a disjointed shambles since the league ended,Canning might not be the last of their retirements either,1 all ireland is a poor return for that team.

O'Neill looks increasingly like a dead man walking,Lynskeyis the only and obvious choice for them

johnnycool

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Quote from: clonadmad on August 02, 2021, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 02, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 01, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 31, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
What a game, the last quarter was overdrive by Tipp and after that save on 69 minutes Waterford scores 1-4 or something in 3 minutes!


I wonder will the football,  match that next?  :P

Be tough to match but should be interesting nonetheless.

Liam Cahill to get the call to come home to Tipp before the year is out.
Tipp.have reached the end of the road with that great team.
Rebuilding is going to.take a while.

If Tipp get Cahill back next year and he gets his 2 u20/21 all ireland squads buying into a senior setup

The rebuild could be in place by 2023

Tipp need a keeper/corner back/full back and 2 forwards

It's not an insurmountable problem

Not sure they need a keeper, they've the two Hogans to pick from and TBH any defeats they've had this year or the last were nothing to do with their keepers.

They need to rethink their middle third. They need more power and pace in there as they've been badly exposed in there the last two defeats. Both Waterford and Limerick cut through there like a hot knife through butter. They have some of the players who came off the bench on Saturday who looked like they can cut it at this level in Mark Kehoe and Willie Connors, but they need to find at least a few more as we now see the difference a strong bench can make to teams and is proving essential to having a tilt at an AI win.
Tipp can't cope with the running game.
Neither can Galway.
Would love to see the Deise winning this year.

You'd swear Limerick invented the running game

The reality is that tipp and galway were found out this year because they had the greatest number of over 30's in their squads

Tipp had 5 clear cut goal chances in the game v Waterford anytime between 09-19 they would nailed 3/4 of them,but age has caught them in a game of milliseconds

Cork had 10 of the u21eam beaten by tipp in 18,tipp had one

Galway are a disjointed shambles since the league ended,Canning might not be the last of their retirements either,1 all ireland is a poor return for that team.

O'Neill looks increasingly like a dead man walking,Lynskeyis the only and obvious choice for them

You'd think they'd either go with O'Donoghue or failing that Lynskey considering the job he's done with the minors and now U20's.

There may be a bit of internal politics in not going for O'Donoghue again.

WRT Cork, they were in a pretty non-competitive place against the serious AI contenders and really had to make the drastic changes that Kingston made. He was unpopular for doing it but has been proved right but we'll know a lot more about this project and where it's at this weekend.

Is Sheedy the man to tell a few senior Tipp lads thanks but no thanks for 2022?

He comes across as a ruthless wee bollox at times but maybe he's got too much gra for the likes of the McGraths, Callanan and possibly Paudie Maher and co.


seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

didlyi

Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.

Why are we so quick to not only write off a team but also its game plan when they get beaten. Waterford havent won anything yet unlike tipp.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.

The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.

I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: didlyi on August 04, 2021, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.

Why are we so quick to not only write off a team but also its game plan when they get beaten. Waterford havent won anything yet unlike tipp.

That Tipp team were expected to be there or there abouts at the shake up in the final stages of the AI.

They rode their luck against Clare (who have been badly underestimated all year), got absolutely decimated by Limerick in a half of hurling that will live on in our memories for a long time and then were meant to regroup only for Waterford to blitz them again with similar tactic's to Limericks. They did well to get the game back down to 3 points, only for Waterford to open up the winning margin again.
I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater just yet but fundamental changes need made in Tipp if they are to remain at the top. Some of the subs have shown the players may be there to keep them in the higher echelons but they need a manager to trust them.

Hurling is always evolving and Tipp need to evolve as well.

I'm still not convinced by Kilkenny and if they've evolved their gameplan but we'll know more about them this weekend when Cork try to run through them.


johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 04, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.

The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.

I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!

Limerick and to a lesser extent Waterford are direct runners, happy to go into contact and offload to a runner off the shoulder, Cork are different, they avoid contact and that probably suits their current age and physique team profile.

Kilkenny love and thrive on the physicality, less so chasing shadows..

viperhiggins

Quote from: johnnycool on August 04, 2021, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 04, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-tipperary-s-proven-stalwarts-have-done-the-county-some-service-1.4638231

Maybe Liam Sheedy will stay on but, if he does, there is a major rebuild to be done. Within seven days of each other, they and Galway exited the championship against Waterford. Together with Kilkenny the three counties dominated hurling in the past decade.
They did so playing a traditional, orthodox game, relying on power and strength under the dropping ball and the artistry of their forwards. Tipp in particular with their touch, movement and lethal accuracy.
That time appears to be gone and replaced by the fast-transfer game and relentlessly hard running at the opposition defence – of which Waterford are exemplars.

The body can only take so much, that hard running at players involves a lot of impact, a few players looked to have taken some hits for Waterford last weekend, you can only take so much, the recover time is very limited.

I expect Limerick to get through and face Cork!!

Limerick and to a lesser extent Waterford are direct runners, happy to go into contact and offload to a runner off the shoulder, Cork are different, they avoid contact and that probably suits their current age and physique team profile.

Kilkenny love and thrive on the physicality, less so chasing shadows..

Cork have the youngest average age out of the 4.

seafoid

The Deise have lost 2 finals. Maybe this is their year.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

imtommygunn

They won't lose the final this year unfortunately. It'll be the semi final.