China Coronavirus

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Heard on radio if we can get 47,000 more people vaccinated in NI then hospitals admissions will for Covid will drop by 20%.

If hospital admissions continue to rise the government will take action. And I would fully support those who are unvaccinated to have restrictions put on their everyday life. People need protecting. The vaccination program will not run indefinitely so people need to choose if they are happy with those limitations or not. If they are then that is fine but if they complain they should be shot down immediately.

Yes it will. People will constantly have to get jabbed, whether it's been proven to work or not.

Canada for one have purchased booster shots for well into 2024. The vaccination program ain't ending anytime soon.

Vaccinations have been around for years, why would it end any day soon?

We've been vaccinated and have had ours kids vaccinated, that will continue, unless we want smallpox  TB and other such illnesses coming back
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

J70

#15856
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57940347

Hopefully reading this is a wake up call for all those who refuse the vaccine.

So is this also saying 40% of those admitted to hospital with Covid have had the vaccine?

Yeah, good point. But they conveniently didn't mention that bit.

What's your alternative to the vaccine?

Ivermectin.

So you don't want the vaccine, which comes with overwhelming medical and scientific support behind it. Instead you want Ivermectin, a drug which even the manufacturer says has not been proven to have any real effect on Covid?

https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/

Do you only "trust" science and "expertise" when it comes from the anti-government, anti-intellectual sphere?

lenny

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2021, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Heard on radio if we can get 47,000 more people vaccinated in NI then hospitals admissions will for Covid will drop by 20%.

If hospital admissions continue to rise the government will take action. And I would fully support those who are unvaccinated to have restrictions put on their everyday life. People need protecting. The vaccination program will not run indefinitely so people need to choose if they are happy with those limitations or not. If they are then that is fine but if they complain they should be shot down immediately.

Yes it will. People will constantly have to get jabbed, whether it's been proven to work or not.

Canada for one have purchased booster shots for well into 2024. The vaccination program ain't ending anytime soon.

Vaccinations have been around for years, why would it end any day soon?

We've been vaccinated and have had ours kids vaccinated, that will continue, unless we want smallpox  TB and other such illnesses coming back

There have always been anti science, anti vaccine nutters around. It's laughable now but when the smallpox vaccine was created a substantial minority refused to get it and there were protests in London and America. The reluctance of these sceptics led to many more deaths and to smallpox hanging around for much longer than necessary.

armaghniac

Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:38:34 AM
I find it strange that suddenly there's s spike in cases aged 18-35 just when they're pushing the vaccine for that group. The weathers better, people are outside more, the schools are closed. If we were to see a spike in cases, surely it would have been when kids were still at school, congregated indoors in classrooms, buses etc, and the weather was worse.

Of course there is an increase in cases among 18-35 because these have less vaccinations than everyone else and that is why they are pushing the vaccine. The British government opened things up in July to get the cases over before the schools reopen, but there will be a surge in the autumn if people remain unvaccinated.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

trueblue1234

Quote from: J70 on July 23, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57940347

Hopefully reading this is a wake up call for all those who refuse the vaccine.

So is this also saying 40% of those admitted to hospital with Covid have had the vaccine?

Yeah, good point. But they conveniently didn't mention that bit.

What's your alternative to the vaccine?

Ivermectin.

So you don't want the vaccine, which comes with overwhelming medical and scientific support behind it. Instead you want Ivermectin, a drug which even the manufacturer says has not been proven to have any real effect on Covid?

https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/

Do you only "trust" science and "expertise" when it comes from the anti-government, anti-intellectual sphere?

It's unreal. There's just no logic behind this position.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Rossfan

How many of ye would go to Benny instead of a doctor if ye got sick?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

trailer

Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Heard on radio if we can get 47,000 more people vaccinated in NI then hospitals admissions will for Covid will drop by 20%.

If hospital admissions continue to rise the government will take action. And I would fully support those who are unvaccinated to have restrictions put on their everyday life. People need protecting. The vaccination program will not run indefinitely so people need to choose if they are happy with those limitations or not. If they are then that is fine but if they complain they should be shot down immediately.

Would you be happy for the unvaccinated to be thrown into some kind of internment camp for people's protection?

No. But we ALL have a responsibility to protect each other. So if people want to smoke they have to do that in a safe environment that protects those who don't wish to smoke. If Motorcyclists want to race their bikes they do that on closed roads. We take precautions everyday for a whole range of things. Covid is no different. We have to wear masks, endure lockdowns etc. This shouldn't be a surprise to the unvaccinated.

mackers

Quote from: armaghniac on July 23, 2021, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:38:34 AM
I find it strange that suddenly there's s spike in cases aged 18-35 just when they're pushing the vaccine for that group. The weathers better, people are outside more, the schools are closed. If we were to see a spike in cases, surely it would have been when kids were still at school, congregated indoors in classrooms, buses etc, and the weather was worse.

Of course there is an increase in cases among 18-35 because these have less vaccinations than everyone else and that is why they are pushing the vaccine. The British government opened things up in July to get the cases over before the schools reopen, but there will be a surge in the autumn if people remain unvaccinated.
Listened to Prof Neil Ferguson on Andrew Marr on Sunday morning.  He suggested the next 6-8 weeks are massive.  He stated that previous waves were stopped by lockdowns but that this wave would only be stopped by herd immunity.  Maybe I'm giving BoJo too much credit here but I presume that that is the risk he is taking now (I'm not saying he's correct).  He's looking to reach herd immunity before the winter.  Marr asked Ferguson what percentage of the population needed to have antibodies to get to that point but he did not confirm any specific figure but said his guess would be 90% of the adult population with the current guestimate being that 70% have antibodies at the minute.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

johnnycool

Quote from: Last Man on July 22, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
Bozo's let it RIP policy taking effect

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2021/0722/1236563-australia-and-new-zealand-pull-out-of-world-cup/
Nothing to do with them making such a mess of vaccinations then? You certainly can't accuse Bojo of that.

ahem,
    Questions being asked as to why 12 to 18 yo's aren't being vaccinated and it seems Bozo and his mates didn't procure enough BioNTec which is deemed to be the best for this age group.

A lot of EU countries are either catching up or ahead of GB in terms of vaccinated people and will overtake them in getting teenagers vaccinated and back into schools.

Armagh18

Quote from: johnnycool on July 23, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: Last Man on July 22, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
Bozo's let it RIP policy taking effect

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2021/0722/1236563-australia-and-new-zealand-pull-out-of-world-cup/
Nothing to do with them making such a mess of vaccinations then? You certainly can't accuse Bojo of that.

ahem,
    Questions being asked as to why 12 to 18 yo's aren't being vaccinated and it seems Bozo and his mates didn't procure enough BioNTec which is deemed to be the best for this age group.

A lot of EU countries are either catching up or ahead of GB in terms of vaccinated people and will overtake them in getting teenagers vaccinated and back into schools.
They'll pick up the antibodies handy enough if they catch covid.

johnnycool

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 23, 2021, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 23, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: Last Man on July 22, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
Bozo's let it RIP policy taking effect

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2021/0722/1236563-australia-and-new-zealand-pull-out-of-world-cup/
Nothing to do with them making such a mess of vaccinations then? You certainly can't accuse Bojo of that.

ahem,
    Questions being asked as to why 12 to 18 yo's aren't being vaccinated and it seems Bozo and his mates didn't procure enough BioNTec which is deemed to be the best for this age group.

A lot of EU countries are either catching up or ahead of GB in terms of vaccinated people and will overtake them in getting teenagers vaccinated and back into schools.
They'll pick up the antibodies handy enough if they catch covid.

And be lucky if they don't get long Covid?

There's no doubting they are going for herd immunity again now that Boris has vaccinated/killed off all the over 80's whereas NZ are holding off until they've vaccinated everyone from 12 up before reducing restrictions.




BennyCake

Quote from: armaghniac on July 23, 2021, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:38:34 AM
I find it strange that suddenly there's s spike in cases aged 18-35 just when they're pushing the vaccine for that group. The weathers better, people are outside more, the schools are closed. If we were to see a spike in cases, surely it would have been when kids were still at school, congregated indoors in classrooms, buses etc, and the weather was worse.

Of course there is an increase in cases among 18-35 because these have less vaccinations than everyone else and that is why they are pushing the vaccine. The British government opened things up in July to get the cases over before the schools reopen, but there will be a surge in the autumn if people remain unvaccinated.

18-35 group weren't vaccinated back last winter, yet there was no talk of a surge in that group then. Now when the vaccine rollout has filtered down to those ages, suddenly there's a surge. Funny that.

armaghniac

Quote from: johnnycool on July 23, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
ahem,
    Questions being asked as to why 12 to 18 yo's aren't being vaccinated and it seems Bozo and his mates didn't procure enough BioNTec which is deemed to be the best for this age group.

A lot of EU countries are either catching up or ahead of GB in terms of vaccinated people and will overtake them in getting teenagers vaccinated and back into schools.

The British got off to a good start on the vaccines, after much mismanagement of Covid otherwise. Their plan was probably fairly OK for the original variant, get most adults vaccinated and some people with the disease and you'd be pretty much at a level where you have herd immunity. With this Delta though, having 60% of the population with Covid means it still circulates widely, and with so much of it around some of the 60& get it too although usually without serious illness. But Britain more or less declared it all over and so are not now doing many vaccinations, places like Canada and Singapore are passing them out and doing more vaccinations, and the EU countries like Spain and Ireland are not far behind.
But nobody will have a lot of teenagers vaccinated by September.

Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 05:11:51 PM
18-35 group weren't vaccinated back last winter, yet there was no talk of a surge in that group then. Now when the vaccine rollout has filtered down to those ages, suddenly there's a surge. Funny that.

You won't have a surge if things are closed.

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

BennyCake

Quote from: J70 on July 23, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57940347

Hopefully reading this is a wake up call for all those who refuse the vaccine.

So is this also saying 40% of those admitted to hospital with Covid have had the vaccine?

Yeah, good point. But they conveniently didn't mention that bit.

What's your alternative to the vaccine?

Ivermectin.

So you don't want the vaccine, which comes with overwhelming medical and scientific support behind it. Instead you want Ivermectin, a drug which even the manufacturer says has not been proven to have any real effect on Covid?

https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/

Do you only "trust" science and "expertise" when it comes from the anti-government, anti-intellectual sphere?

There's been plenty of success with ivermectin in Asian/African countries. You just don't hear about it on BBC or Sky.

J70

#15869
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 23, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 23, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57940347

Hopefully reading this is a wake up call for all those who refuse the vaccine.

So is this also saying 40% of those admitted to hospital with Covid have had the vaccine?

Yeah, good point. But they conveniently didn't mention that bit.

What's your alternative to the vaccine?

Ivermectin.

So you don't want the vaccine, which comes with overwhelming medical and scientific support behind it. Instead you want Ivermectin, a drug which even the manufacturer says has not been proven to have any real effect on Covid?

https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/

Do you only "trust" science and "expertise" when it comes from the anti-government, anti-intellectual sphere?

There's been plenty of success with ivermectin in Asian/African countries. You just don't hear about it on BBC or Sky.

Evidence?

Did you read the article?

You still didn't answer why dubious treatments which do not yet have scientific or medical support are A-ok, but anything in terms of official government and professional guidelines and vaccines are all a plot or conspiracy.