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Israel doesn't mark today. They picked another date to go with their ideology.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.639209

"Ultimately, in 1951, Israel's Yom HaShoah (literally, Holocaust Day) was scheduled close to the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. The choice of date was an attempt to focus on those who fought against the Nazis, rather than on those who never had that chance. Those who "went like sheep to the slaughter," as it was phrased in those days, were an embarrassment to the so-called "new Jews" of Israel. The official name of the new memorial day—Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Day—reflected this mindset: It was, in large part, a commemoration of the lucky few who had been able to fight, rather than the unfortunate majority. In effect, Israel's version of Holocaust memorial day was not a commemoration, but a denial of memory. "

Is Archers in Ardnaree in Sligo ?

When I saw the thread title I feared the worst but I'm glad to see lots of intelligent discussion here.

I visited Auschwitz myself a few years ago and it will stay with me forever. I'm glad I went but it was truly, truly awful. Really brings the horror of the whole thing home.

All the major death camps were on Slav territory in the East. Not in occupied France. The Nazis saw Slavs as vermin and the favour was returned in 1945. 
France was far more civilised. the Nazis had standards in Western Europe, except in the Netherlands where they murdered most of the Jews.
Belzec and Majdanek were probably worse than Auschwitz but the Nazis destroyed them before the Red Army arrived.

I've been in Majdanek, where some of the camp remains as the Russians arrived before it was fully dismantled, although I am sad to see looking it up that some of it burned down in 2010.
This thread is unfortunate, the Nazis were a different order of magnitude from pretty much anyone, which does not excuse Gaza in any way.

Was sobibor the other one that they pulled down? Finkelstein's parents were in Majdanek.

I think only 50 people survived Sobibor

Very disheartening post, lawnseed.  I thought you were better than that.  Would you feel the same if someone felt no empathy for the victims of the Famine simply because of the actions of the Provos?

NetanYahoo is a despicable weasel, but his policies have no bearing on the atrocities that befell Jews during the Holocaust.

Hardy is right about the thin veneer of civilization, and the Milgram experiment or the Stanford prison experiment show how perfectly "decent" people are capable of the most heinous acts. 

I've seen some moving video of when victims of Khmer Rouge torture confronted their torturers, people who could be Everyman.  Sadly, genocide is not an exclusively Nazi specialty.  It abounds in human history--Russia, Armenia, Cambodia, Rwanda, Sudan and on and on. 

Not to feel for the victims is either callous or a sign that it so commonplace that we've become inured to it.

One of the main features of genocides is that it is extremely rare for anybody to be punished for them .
Because who wants to go back to the past? I mean, there was loads of Jewish property suddenly available and it would have been too complicated to go back and rake up the coals.

When I saw the thread title I feared the worst but I'm glad to see lots of intelligent discussion here.

I visited Auschwitz myself a few years ago and it will stay with me forever. I'm glad I went but it was truly, truly awful. Really brings the horror of the whole thing home.

All the major death camps were on Slav territory in the East. Not in occupied France. The Nazis saw Slavs as vermin and the favour was returned in 1945. 
France was far more civilised. the Nazis had standards in Western Europe, except in the Netherlands where they murdered most of the Jews.
Belzec and Majdanek were probably worse than Auschwitz but the Nazis destroyed them before the Red Army arrived.

Btw, I visited Auswitz a number of years ago and it was quite thought provoking. While I was there, a couple of bus loads of jews arrived and I have to say I was not impressed by their attitude. They would push you out of the way and walk all over you.

Is this a joke? If it isn't it's worse than Lawnseed's lame attempt at trolling because you're actually tarring a group based on anecdotes.

No, its true. A couple of other visitors were disgusted at their behaviour. I didnt intend to tar the whole Israel tribe, and it purely is an anecdotal story.

By the way, has anyone ever asked why? Why did Hitler hate the Jews? Why did the Germans/Nazi'z hate the Jews? Why has that attitude been around in Europe for 1,000 years or more?

I'm not endorsing what the Nazi's did -  I'm just interested in why and root cause.

Religious minorities , women and sexual minorities tend to get shafted when society enters crisis situations. CF Iraq now where the Sunni turn on the Yazidis, ISIS drive their women into slavery and Afghanstan where gay people are murdered.

Other well off minorities who are/were  periodically targeted are Chinese in Indonesia , Lebanese in West Africa , Greeks around the Med.
Human nature can be diabolical and the Germans industrialised it.   
 

On Hitler and his extreme antisemitism, where did it stem from?

From being an evil, cruel and stupid piece of shit.

That's being a little simplistic, why vent all this mostly on the Jews? He put a huge bit of resource into it all the same!

I'm not denying he wasn't all of those things you mention.

Hitler couldn't have done it all on his own. (Though he supposedly contracted syphilis from a Jewish prostitute, which may have influenced his actions.) How did a whole regime morph into a extremist genocidal machine? There were loads more of a similar mind who found refuge among the Nazi cadres.

It wasn't just the Nazis. A lot of Europeans were very happy to shunt the Jews off to the Middle East.
It suited the Zionists too. It is a very depressing story. 

I went to Auschwitz a few years ago. An evil place. Such a fucked up ideology.

One of the stories I read about it that really struck me was that of  Lajos Schlinger, born in 1896 in Cluj in Romania. He was a Jewish doctor who used to be visited by a Bayer rep called Capesius. He was sent to Auschwitz in 1944 with his family. The man who met him on the ramp at Auschwitz was Capesius. He assured him that his wife would be taken care of. She was selected for immediate execution. The lies.

It's explained here in German :

http://www.auschwitz-prozess-frankfurt.de/index.php?id=65

The Germans only imprisoned a handful of the people who were involved in the death camp system. There was no justice for the dead.
Nobody wanted to talk about it after the war.
And Israel is still traumatised by it. And will be for many generations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M
   

This is very smooth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6WRzf8WYz8

Violent Romance & Gav Memnos - Give Me Love (Michael Janson's Alternate Remix)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/30955902

Still a **** but I agree with him on a lot of the stuff in his interview.

He's like a richer version of Chet Evans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYpcCzhXoIg

Those global poverty figures are shite. India always manipulates its figures to give the illusion of progress and around 60% of the "global poor" with subsistence level incomes live in India.

I've a lot of sympathy for Kevin but at the same time, if this had happened to him in his back garden, or at the gym, or in the supermarket, he'd probably be dead.
And it could have happened anywhere.
He didn't incur an injury, he had a heart attack.

He suffered a life changing accident on a GAA pitch, he should be covered full stop in my opinion. We look after our own, at least I thought we did.

how is the fund funded ? If they exclude pre existing conditions the cost is reduced.
C'est Lavey.

How far from a full strength Ros team would ye say that was yesterday lads?
Just curious.
Our full back line problems look to be no closer to a resolution.
It is far and away the weakest area of our squad and has been for a long time.

I was under the impression that the full back line was left heavily exposed by the half back line yesterday, just what I'd read from elsewhere.

From that team yesterday there's probably on Bradshaw, O'Curraoin & Walsh that are nailed on to start in the Championship. Need to get off to a good start on Sunday, win the home games and we'll be pushing for promotion although that may depend on how many games the Corofin lads and Conroy will miss.

Getting the club all Irelands over before Christmas would be a great idea

One of our lads, in his final year at Uni, is just about to begin a dissertation on the above topic. He intends covering it from a number of different angles, eg the games/competitions, health and fitness benefits, economic positives/negatives, social benefits for both young and old. Any suggestions from the Board on what areas he might consider would be welcome.

Local pride and what it means to people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtEzZlXCfI
at around 4 minutes


Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CcDIdd2ycQ

positive role models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr6LRCRM6Dk&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534

Bringing the Nordies into the national conversation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BQ1nOyLDsI

I think it's a case of "nice to win it but..." with us lot.

Maybe there is something stirring Rossfan. It's not going to happen overnight but ye do have some good skillful players and  are due a good run because it has been a while since the last one.   

Matt Williams is interesting on twitter talking about rugby. I saw one tweet of his about NZ- he said they have skill, energy and razor sharp intent. If Evans can hone the skills and intent ye could do a lot of damage.