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I'd say you could only really gripe about 2012 and 2014 as poor years.
...didn't beat Dublin - that was the entire country for eight of those years!

That team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.

Not sure Peter Harte had options going forward that time - I thought the same - but not clear on TV view? He would normally be looking for an opportunity to play it in if available.
Some poor enough play at various stages of the game - I thought Tyrone even in development mode would have enough for this Galway team but some tackling and closing off seemed poor - including the goal - and almost a second goal!
Difficult choices for an equalising chance - not sure any great shot option was on - may have been cuter to work it for a mark.
Difficult on size and strength - i think there are quite a few who need the S&C time in the gym and another year or two of development - but Con o Callaghan, Eoin Murchan, Lee Keegan, etc. all under 6'. Maybe you just can't have too many of them at any one time!
No real mention of Tierney's collision tackle and a possible red - not that I wanted to see one - but Conn Kilpatrick must have felt even more hard done by.

I thought Tyrone are looking better than previous two years - although that doesn't say too much - a lot of players to come back in - but they will need a certain amount of luck for any sort of run this year. A lot of fresh faces employed in league games so far who are just about doing OK and will benefit from the exposure.
Galway something similar - a different team if they can get players back on the pitch - but cant be too optimistic for them this year either.
Dublin, Kerry and Derry look out on their own - just depends who comes up against who in latter stages of the Championship.

Would the league be even more important if  after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.

It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.

I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.

We need the league to matter more and both suggestions above would help.

I see a few mentioning the importance of winning Ulster for Ulster sides, but I've been saying for a while, once people realise the futility of it, the allure will diminish and crowds will start to drop off. I'd like to see Derry win again this year, simply for 3 in a row, but they might be better served by an early exit. That said, there's definitely a few Ulster teams who really could do with that win - Donegal, Down and Armagh should all be focused on Ulster success.
As for Derry fans thinking Mickey is the missing element guaranteed to bring us Sam, I can assure you, there's plenty of us who think his last decade with Tyrone did them no favours and weren't in favour of his conservative approach coming to Derry - the jury is very definitely out, McKenna cup or not!!

I never understand this kind of thinking. It's the Ulster Championship ffs. The league is downplayed, McKenna mocked and now the provencial.
Talking about a team being better off out of Ulster as it might give your county a better shot at winning Sam..? I just can't understand this thinking. A tournament (All Ireland) that at the start of the year, 2 or 3 teams can realistically win.
I'd love to see Derry win Ulster again, and not just because it would be 3 in row, because it's the Ulster title, the best county in the province.
I'd love 6 or 7 in a row. If you're winning Ulster, you're not a million miles off...

Some think Harte kept a poor Tyrone team competitive for quite a few years when they had no right to be and with a few new quality additions they were just becoming really competitive again. The AI winning team could be described as Harte's team - although possibly with a bounce from new management - and a degree of luck, which all teams need. Harte also made huge improvements to Louth - Derry are probably hoping he can do similar with them - although incremental improvements often get harder and harder to achieve.

It's a difficult balancing act and impossible to satisfy everyone - but ultimately it's essential that no-one loses sight of the fact that it is a game - a bit of fun - important in itself but also of no importance at all!
We play a lot of blitzes at underage where there is a cup, a shield, a plate, etc. - where everyone always has something to play for - that way each team get fairly equal game time and have a chance to 'win' something in a fairly equal competitive games. We encourage the kids to go out and not to be afraid to make loads of mistakes - but to always get involved in games, look for the ball and get the ball in their hands as often as possible - everything that follows after that is all development for each child.
The problem with a lot of games is that 2-3 dominant players get 75% of the ball and there is a real danger that many kids do not touch the ball, do not develop skills and do not enjoy the game - with a resulting drop out. At very young underage levels physical size is a huge factor and therefore the zones, rotation, etc. are all invaluable.
I can understand a lot of mentors and coaches looking back on their experiences and thinking they do not want to make the same mistakes they were subject to - that will nearly always be the case - even now when the current kids look back on their time - they will look to improve things and do things better - informed by their own experiences.
One significant change I'd like to see from the current set up is all underage - right up to U17 - playing on smaller pitches - appropriate reduction in width and length to average kicking distance.

Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.
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That's extremely harsh judgement on what Harte achieved with Tyrone.
Last 38 games show Tyrone in a League Table place of third overall - that's during Mickey's lean years to put it in greater context!
I think a lot of people would acknowledge the players he had available during that period were not quite at the level of the Noughties.
He had to be fairly inventive with his tactics to counter stronger teams and counter developing tactics from others.
Regardless of Mayo and Kerry in a few games, they lost to a peak Dublin in a semi-final and a final - at a time when no-one else could beat them.

The team that won the 2021 All-Ireland were as much a reflection of Harte as Logan & Dooher.
If Logan & Dooher have a similar record over 3, 5, 10, 15 years, or whatever their tenure, I would also consider it a great achievement.
I'd agree they need a lot more time before they can be properly judged - but this year has been a disappointment.

All for throw-in analysis - and any other type of analysis.
Thrown in is the only time a team are in traditional 15 positions - a great opportunity for two scores if a team can win it and get their attack right.

The game is getting smarter all the time and every advantage counts.

Very little analysis on why Tyrone were so poor - most newspaper reports describe the game - with no thought as to the why!

He had a few issues with it last year as well.
Needs careful managing of it - yoga and pilates may be just as critical as S&C for him.
5 weeks for a hamstring injury is tight - unless he came off as a precaution.

I don't think he was behind the line when he took it.

Vicky Wall was 13. She's had a big impact on the team since she's come in to the squad. Perhaps we got a bit of luck with the goal but we fought hard for everything and deserved it in the end.

Not sure how much luck there was - the goal was a reward for pressuring the kickout with 11 players in the Dublin half and winning the ball. They had a similar turnover and chance just before that where they could have had a quick shot at goal from a tighter angle with the keeper scrambling back but they recycled the ball instead and took a point. The goal chance fell into the right hands with Emma Duggan - she has confirmed since she was going for the goal.

Difficult to come to any conclusions on the Cavan game - they certainly didn't manage to raise the intensity to anywhere near where they were last year - and they fell away as the game went on - probably would have been more only for the sending off. I thought it was a harsh red but it possibly looks worse than it was from the view of the umpires or linesmen. Daft reaction but I did wonder what was going on or said to cause the reaction - Mc Namee is a very experienced player and should be able to laugh off a lot of nonsense.

Shame for Derry - they played great but you always sensed Donegal had a little bit extra to win.

I feel next week is still too early for Mc Shane and it's going to take big performances from the rest of the team and a few extra answers from management.

Mc Shane has always been a very good player even before he went into full forward.
Remember it was his superb distance point against Meath that brought us level and kept us in the championship just a few years ago.
Logan mentions about bringing him back as he regains fitness - probably a good way to do that than in a challenge game.
We should expect nothing more but for him to be completely off the pace - may just make it back in time as an impact sub.

Morgan needs a bit more focus as a keeper and not get himself distracted or worse, bored - always a danger with outfield players in nets - they want to be involved.
His kickouts need to improve but I've always thought that needs to improve as a team strategy rather then just pointing at him.

bigtogs
"Take a look at McKenna's position when Gavin White Lobbed our Keeper he never made an effort to get across and get pressure on the kicker which was disappointing"

Something similar in the Armagh game for their first goal.
I think he's a good player but may be asking a lot for him to come back to Tyrone and be a dominant force immediately.
He was a little bit of an unknown quantity for the few games last season and may have benefitted against opposition defences for that.

All players need protection - but as long as spectators admire and praise all the fouling that suits their own team it wont happen.

If there was a real desire to see all the off the ball fouling, the pulling and pushing and the verbals eradicated it would be gone in a single league campaign.

Need to actually empower the linesmen and the umpires a lot more - and actully train them to a suitable level.

Longer term solution for the bigger games might actually be another official monitoring off the ball stuff.
If players realise they will get found out for it - it stops automatically.

I'd prefer to see good football being played without the fouling but until there is a real desire for that the cynicism will remain a big part of the game.

Watch the two D1 semi-finals this weekend with any degree of objectivity and it will be evident that all four teams will be involved in displays of cynicism.