With this getting out of hand should everytime a player goes down injured and physio comes on, they have to go of field for at least a minute similar to soccer?
I presume you were at the Down game yesterday, they would have been better trying to win by playing football instead of trying to get men sent off.
Sure every county is at it, but we were embarrassing yesterday.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 06, 2023, 12:59:49 PM
With this getting out of hand should everytime a player goes down injured and physio comes on, they have to go of field for at least a minute similar to soccer?
Down goalie was on the ground like a sniper took him out, physio and doctor out around him. Seconds later he was making a lung bursting run up the line to get make himself available for a pass. A joke
I think the management are bringing in a new mentality. Kilcooesque
The rewards are great for feigning injury, a scorable free kick, getting a free out of defence despite being outnumbered, getting a player booked, wasting time near the end of a game, wasting time while a player is Black Carded.
On the other side referees will almost never punish anyone who tries this.
Thus making it a win-win situation for the cheater!
When anything bad comes into the game, Soccer is conveniently blamed. When you own up to your own shortcomings, you get closer to solving the problem.
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
I think the management are bringing in a new mentality. Kilcooesque
Sure every county is at it?
A couple of simple fixes.
First, if you need physio attention, and you don't need to be substituted, then you will spend one minute on the sideline from when the game is restarted. No exceptions. No hard luck stories. Same rule for goalkeepers. Attempt to return before one minute and you get an automatic black card. This could be written into the rules as a player welfare need, at the drop of a hat.
Extend the black card rule to include "clear and obvious timewasting" and "attempting to gain an opponent an unwarranted card". Referees would almost never use this tool, but the threat of it should keep our game more honest .
The rot started this year with Emmet O'Shea going down as if shot by a sniper in the All-Ireland Junior Final. There needs to be retrospective bans handed out to players for feigning injuries.
Quote from: clarshack on March 06, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
The rot started this year with Emmet O'Shea going down as if shot by a sniper in the All-Ireland Junior Final. There needs to be retrospective bans handed out to players for feigning injuries.
I remember Pat Spillane in the late 70's / Early 80's going down and rolling on the ground as if he was about to die!
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 02:13:52 PM
A couple of simple fixes.
First, if you need physio attention, and you don't need to be substituted, then you will spend one minute on the sideline from when the game is restarted. No exceptions. No hard luck stories. Same rule for goalkeepers. Attempt to return before one minute and you get an automatic black card. This could be written into the rules as a player welfare need, at the drop of a hat.
Extend the black card rule to include "clear and obvious timewasting" and "attempting to gain an opponent an unwarranted card". Referees would almost never use this tool, but the threat of it should keep our game more honest .
Players receiving treatment from a medic should be removed from the field for assessment for at least 1 minute and cannot return to the field until the next break in play and cannot return without receiving permission from the referee.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 02:13:52 PM
A couple of simple fixes.
First, if you need physio attention, and you don't need to be substituted, then you will spend one minute on the sideline from when the game is restarted. No exceptions. No hard luck stories. Same rule for goalkeepers. Attempt to return before one minute and you get an automatic black card. This could be written into the rules as a player welfare need, at the drop of a hat.
Extend the black card rule to include "clear and obvious timewasting" and "attempting to gain an opponent an unwarranted card". Referees would almost never use this tool, but the threat of it should keep our game more honest .
Only issue i have with this is if a player has a genuine injury such as cramp or a knock i.e something that can resolve fairly quickly why should their team be punished by having to play with a person down for a minute?
Don't think its at all fair to compare GAA and soccer with physios tending to players. Soccer is now next to a non-contact sport, there's seldom really heavy collisions like in GAA or Rugby where guys a competing really hard for loose possession. I think it would be highly unfair if a midfielder contested a ball didn't win it but took a hard knock whilst trying to get the ball and then had to go off for 1 minute and have his team compete with 14 players.
Quote from: Nanderson on March 06, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 02:13:52 PM
A couple of simple fixes.
First, if you need physio attention, and you don't need to be substituted, then you will spend one minute on the sideline from when the game is restarted. No exceptions. No hard luck stories. Same rule for goalkeepers. Attempt to return before one minute and you get an automatic black card. This could be written into the rules as a player welfare need, at the drop of a hat.
Extend the black card rule to include "clear and obvious timewasting" and "attempting to gain an opponent an unwarranted card". Referees would almost never use this tool, but the threat of it should keep our game more honest .
Only issue i have with this is if a player has a genuine injury such as cramp or a knock i.e something that can resolve fairly quickly why should their team be punished by having to play with a person down for a minute?
Or a player is milled by a fair shoulder, why should a team have to play with 14 men just because one of their players came off worse in a collision.
Sad thing is very little that can be done about this, ref cannot make an assessment in real time how injured a player really is. The posters above have pointed out a guy who is genuinely injured from a collision should not be punished. Best punishment might be being humiliated on the Sunday game for lying down and then jumping up and sprinting the length of the field!
Off the point, I think a team who has a sub/mentor sent off should lose a player on the field as punishment.
The best way to curtail it is to say that all physio interventions not related to fouls should be limited to 20 seconds or some number like that. Mostly lads have no need for a physio they just want to catch their breath after a bad belt or walk off a slight dead leg. Give them a few seconds relief if needs be but none of this minutes of physios holding their heads and rolling it about like the bolts have come loose.
I was at Down game but not about that. Sean Kelly playacting for Galway shocking. I've seen Ethan Rafferty pushed in back recently going down and holding face. Needs to be stamped out.
Quote from: trileacman on March 06, 2023, 03:31:42 PM
The best way to curtail it is to say that all physio interventions not related to fouls should be limited to 20 seconds or some number like that. Mostly lads have no need for a physio they just want to catch their breath after a bad belt or walk off a slight dead leg. Give them a few seconds relief if needs be but none of this minutes of physios holding their heads and rolling it about like the bolts have come loose.
I've said it in a previous post elsewhere - its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to run on and play along with this charade when they know there is sweet FA wrong with them.
There has been a noticeably bigger reaction to a few of the incidents over the weekend so it'll be in referees minds over the next few weeks I'd imagine.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 06, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
I was at Down game but not about that. Sean Kelly playacting for Galway shocking. I've seen Ethan Rafferty pushed in back recently going down and holding face. Needs to be stamped out.
When players are doing it to waste time and run down the clock the referees shouldn't just add on the time wasted, they should add an additional minute on top for every time he can see there is obviously a feigned injury. If teams see an additional 10 or 12 minutes being played they will think twice about playacting to try to hold on to a slim lead.
And who will decide it was a feigned injury?
Will the GAA have an independent doctor at every match?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2023, 05:39:28 PM
And who will decide it was a feigned injury?
Will the GAA have an independent doctor at every match?
When a lad holds his face after been touched in chest it's feigning.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2023, 05:39:28 PM
And who will decide it was a feigned injury?
Will the GAA have an independent doctor at every match?
It would be easy to implement for the top county games. The fourth official could watch action replays and get the message on to the ref to add further additional time as a consequence of cheating/feigning injury. The ref is miked up so it shouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: trileacman on March 06, 2023, 03:31:42 PM
The best way to curtail it is to say that all physio interventions not related to fouls should be limited to 20 seconds or some number like that. Mostly lads have no need for a physio they just want to catch their breath after a bad belt or walk off a slight dead leg. Give them a few seconds relief if needs be but none of this minutes of physios holding their heads and rolling it about like the bolts have come loose.
The problem is you can't enforce a rule like this. If there's blood involved or a head hits the ground, no referee is going to enforce it, which just means they once again have to interpret things rather than apply rules, and will be subject to verbal abuse from all and sundry.
Quote from: Maurice Moss on March 06, 2023, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
I think the management are bringing in a new mentality. Kilcooesque
Sure every county is at it?
And that makes it alright then. Kilcoo have taken this play acting to a whole new level never seen before in football, only natural that the Down manager would put this into his players now as many of the underhand tactics in Kilcoo are down to him.
Use the same countdown clock the ladies game uses and this problem would vanish pretty much overnight.
All the current rules do is disadvantage any honest player and reward the cheats.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 06, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
I was at Down game but not about that. Sean Kelly playacting for Galway shocking. I've seen Ethan Rafferty pushed in back recently going down and holding face. Needs to be stamped out.
galway are quite bad for it. been part of their time wasting locker for a couple of years now.
How many of these bollacks would last in the physicality stakes with the old Meath Team. Them f**kers had be shot to go down, only thing is they expected the same machoism in return. I seen Keith Barr hit Colm O'Rourke a shoulder that stretchered him, and him Coming back on 10/15mins later. That physical toughness is long gone. Now we left with certain teams, and in other cases players on other teams diving, cheating, pretending they hurt. About time their own counties and team mates called them out on it. But u wonder if this is been coached into them, if so. Its shameful.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 06, 2023, 08:59:30 PM
How many of these bollacks would last in the physicality stakes with the old Meath Team. Them f**kers had be shot to go down, only thing is they expected the same machoism in return. I seem Keith Barr hit Colm O'Rourke a shoulder that stretchered him, and him Coming back on 10/15mins later. That physical toughness is long gone. Now we left with certain teams, and in other cases players on other teams diving, cheating, pretending they hurt. About time their own counties and team mates called them out on it. But u wonder if this is been coached into them, if so. Its shameful.
Yeah, that Meath team were real role models. ::) Thank god that sort of sh1te is gone out of the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 06, 2023, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 06, 2023, 08:59:30 PM
How many of these bollacks would last in the physicality stakes with the old Meath Team. Them f**kers had be shot to go down, only thing is they expected the same machoism in return. I seem Keith Barr hit Colm O'Rourke a shoulder that stretchered him, and him Coming back on 10/15mins later. That physical toughness is long gone. Now we left with certain teams, and in other cases players on other teams diving, cheating, pretending they hurt. About time their own counties and team mates called them out on it. But u wonder if this is been coached into them, if so. Its shameful.
Yeah, that Meath team were real role models. ::) Thank god that sort of sh1te is gone out of the game.
I'd say that old Meath team would beat today's counterparts, even though most of them are in their 60s
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 06, 2023, 03:31:42 PM
The best way to curtail it is to say that all physio interventions not related to fouls should be limited to 20 seconds or some number like that. Mostly lads have no need for a physio they just want to catch their breath after a bad belt or walk off a slight dead leg. Give them a few seconds relief if needs be but none of this minutes of physios holding their heads and rolling it about like the bolts have come loose.
The problem is you can't enforce a rule like this. If there's blood involved or a head hits the ground, no referee is going to enforce it, which just means they once again have to interpret things rather than apply rules, and will be subject to verbal abuse from all and sundry.
Correct and possibly opening themselves and GAA to legal repurcussions should the player actually have a serious injury.
Its a mess. Out of interest what happens in a similar injury scenario(feigned or genuine) in Aussie rules?
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Quote from: grounded on March 06, 2023, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 06, 2023, 03:31:42 PM
The best way to curtail it is to say that all physio interventions not related to fouls should be limited to 20 seconds or some number like that. Mostly lads have no need for a physio they just want to catch their breath after a bad belt or walk off a slight dead leg. Give them a few seconds relief if needs be but none of this minutes of physios holding their heads and rolling it about like the bolts have come loose.
The problem is you can't enforce a rule like this. If there's blood involved or a head hits the ground, no referee is going to enforce it, which just means they once again have to interpret things rather than apply rules, and will be subject to verbal abuse from all and sundry.
Correct and possibly opening themselves and GAA to legal repurcussions should the player actually have a serious injury.
Its a mess. Out of interest what happens in a similar injury scenario(feigned or genuine) in Aussie rules?
In Aussie rules, you never let the bastard know he hurt you.
Rugby (both codes) is a fascinating example of how sports can get their on-field culture so right. There's an implicit respect for referees, and when a man is down, he's down for a reason.
Unfortunately, as is our way, we take our influences from English football, and worse again it's combined with a cultural yearning and even respect for acts of shithousery, that borders on sado-masochistic; we will blindly defend one of our own when gouges an opponent, and blithely condemn one of them for getting upset about it.
It could take generations to reverse this culture. But the quickest way to get there would be to make sure that management and supporters always roar for their team to get back on their feet after a collision. Hence that suggestion for a rule change: if you need to see a physio, then you must be hurt. So you're taking a full minute on the sideline while the game carries on.
Easiest way to change it, is through management, who are alot to blame as they can come down on the players, but I feel they encourage it. Pat Gilroy came in and changed a whole pile of previous Shithousery and they won a All-Ireland, so that's the starting point, another is the pansy attitude of players. In recent years the only 2 serious injuries are recall are 2leg injuries. Possible on games been reviewed each week a man faking Injury should have a case to answer,. Hope they found the sniper in the Cavan v Down game.
How are you going to prove feigning injury though?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 07, 2023, 12:54:02 AM
How are you going to prove feigning injury though?
There was one or two on Sunday that were obvious as there wasn't even contact and lads went down holding their head and the referee waved at them to get up. When there is contact it is hard to tell if they are feigning or not and the referee isn't in a position to make that call and will always go on the side of caution. One thing that is frustrating is players getting tackled and there is contact made to the shoulder or back and they are going down holding their head.
I think play needs to go on for all injuries until the next break in play as the doctors and Physios go onto the field anyway and stopping play isn't going to make them recover any quicker and in some cases you will find they will recover quickly. You don't see the play been stopped in Rugby unless the play goes near the player on the ground and i think similar would help our game.
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 08:29:28 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 07, 2023, 12:54:02 AM
How are you going to prove feigning injury though?
There was one or two on Sunday that were obvious as there wasn't even contact and lads went down holding their head and the referee waved at them to get up. When there is contact it is hard to tell if they are feigning or not and the referee isn't in a position to make that call and will always go on the side of caution. One thing that is frustrating is players getting tackled and there is contact made to the shoulder or back and they are going down holding their head.
I think play needs to go on for all injuries until the next break in play as the doctors and Physios go onto the field anyway and stopping play isn't going to make them recover any quicker and in some cases you will find they will recover quickly. You don't see the play been stopped in Rugby unless the play goes near the player on the ground and i think similar would help our game.
I would agree with that in principal but you'll all of a sudden find that a lot of injuries for the defending team will occur at the top of the D so that play has to be halted.
Ultimately it comes down to players wising up and cutting out the crap. And I'm not sure that will happen any time soon.
I did find this one funny on Saturday:
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1632694189103218688?s=20
Guys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
Someone grabbing their face when the impact is not there is a dick and should be highlighted and a ban placed on him after its been seen to happen on the Sunday game or something, just to put back on players to stop acting the p***k
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Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 08:29:28 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 07, 2023, 12:54:02 AM
How are you going to prove feigning injury though?
There was one or two on Sunday that were obvious as there wasn't even contact and lads went down holding their head and the referee waved at them to get up. When there is contact it is hard to tell if they are feigning or not and the referee isn't in a position to make that call and will always go on the side of caution. One thing that is frustrating is players getting tackled and there is contact made to the shoulder or back and they are going down holding their head.
I think play needs to go on for all injuries until the next break in play as the doctors and Physios go onto the field anyway and stopping play isn't going to make them recover any quicker and in some cases you will find they will recover quickly. You don't see the play been stopped in Rugby unless the play goes near the player on the ground and i think similar would help our game.
I would agree with that in principal but you'll all of a sudden find that a lot of injuries for the defending team will occur at the top of the D so that play has to be halted.
Ultimately it comes down to players wising up and cutting out the crap. And I'm not sure that will happen any time soon.
I did find this one funny on Saturday:
https://twitter.com/m_brosnan/status/1632694189103218688?s=20
I was laughing at that at the time alright ;D
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 06, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
I was at Down game but not about that. Sean Kelly playacting for Galway shocking. I've seen Ethan Rafferty pushed in back recently going down and holding face. Needs to be stamped out.
Ive seen Rafferty do it a couple of times. I hate seeing it from any player but especially from a player from my own county
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2023, 11:07:52 PM
Rugby (both codes) is a fascinating example of how sports can get their on-field culture so right. There's an implicit respect for referees, and when a man is down, he's down for a reason.
apart from Bloodgate which is one of the worst forms of cheating ive ever seen
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/true-story-nigel-owens-bloodgate-16121723
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 07, 2023, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 06, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
I was at Down game but not about that. Sean Kelly playacting for Galway shocking. I've seen Ethan Rafferty pushed in back recently going down and holding face. Needs to be stamped out.
Ive seen Rafferty do it a couple of times. I hate seeing it from any player but especially from a player from my own county
Yeah hate to see it. He went down against Mayo along the sideline as if he'd had head taken off him one time ffs.
Interestingly these issues used to be highlighted on the Sunday Game/League Sunday. This is no longer the case as the mundane, scripted and sanitised commentary/punditry that is now on view is beyond poor - they now focus on less controversial items and simply state the obvious.
The feigning of injury is a stain on our games and the better teams are better at it. Why can the referees not see it?
A black card for diving or rolling around the grass holding their face after barely being touched may assist the issue.
Quote from: ck on March 07, 2023, 12:31:56 PM
Interestingly these issues used to be highlighted on the Sunday Game/League Sunday. This is no longer the case as the mundane, scripted and sanitised commentary/punditry that is now on view is beyond poor - they now focus on less controversial items and simply state the obvious.
The feigning of injury is a stain on our games and the better teams are better at it. Why can the referees not see it?
A black card for diving or rolling around the grass holding their face after barely being touched may assist the issue.
So its a refereeing problem? Its a rule problem and a player problem.
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
they were good at it tho
Brian McGuigan not go down like a bag of crap after poor Greg levelled him with a throw ball??
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they introduced it but they were the first team who tolerated a win at all costs mentality. Whether that was sledging, feigning injury or gamesmanship that Tyrone team under Mickey Harte had a win at all costs mentality which still pervades to this day. Players like Jordan, McGuigan, Cavanagh and McCann feigned injury in high profile games before yet the practice never disappeared. While players have to take personal responsibility, it can be easily eradicated by management ensuring that it doesn't become part of the culture. Kieran McGeeney for example would not tolerate a diving culture as it would be anathema to what he believes in.
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 07, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they introduced it but they were the first team who tolerated a win at all costs mentality. Whether that was sledging, feigning injury or gamesmanship that Tyrone team under Mickey Harte had a win at all costs mentality which still pervades to this day. Players like Jordan, McGuigan, Cavanagh and McCann feigned injury in high profile games before yet the practice never disappeared. While players have to take personal responsibility, it can be easily eradicated by management ensuring that it doesn't become part of the culture. Kieran McGeeney for example would not tolerate a diving culture as it would be anathema to what he believes in.
Would exactly be using mcgeeney as a good reference point given the amount of rows his team got involved in and how they tackle the man first ball second.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
Of course not all incodents will be provable. Cases where no contact is made but player reigns injury should be straight forward. Also cases where say contact is made to the chest but player holds his head.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
QuoteGuys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
You changed your view in the last few hours !
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
QuoteGuys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
You changed your view in the last few hours !
The medic is on looking after the player, the game plays on, I'm not a doctor so me stopping it has no bearing on how he's being looked after by the professional, if he's actually injured he's in good hands
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For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
QuoteGuys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
You changed your view in the last few hours !
The medic is on looking after the player, the game plays on, I'm not a doctor so me stopping it has no bearing on how he's being looked after by the professional, if he's actually injured he's in good hands
True but you changed your tune from earlier but playing on is the best way to try and eradicate it.
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Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
QuoteGuys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
You changed your view in the last few hours !
The medic is on looking after the player, the game plays on, I'm not a doctor so me stopping it has no bearing on how he's being looked after by the professional, if he's actually injured he's in good hands
True but you changed your tune from earlier but playing on is the best way to try and eradicate it.
Not really, I've amended my view in that I can't decide if the player is actually injured, the medic (if he actually is one lol) is best for that, playing on won't really interfere with play, rugby manage to do it for periods in the game.
So for me this is the best solution from all the others that have been put out ;)
PS. I'm a ref, I'm never wrong ;D
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 07, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 07, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
For player safety I think all injuries on the field should be treated as real and the game should be stopped for head injuries.
If the ref suspects feigning injury he could make a note of it in his book. If there is corroborating tv evidence then the player should be banned for x days/matches.
Still unprovable in that scenario.
The best is to allow the medic to come on and play on, he'll soon get up when his team hasn't the ball or hasn't won a free
QuoteGuys, I'm not going to take responsibility on getting a call wrong on fake or real injury, and playing on that may result in someone swallowing his tongue from falling to the ground or impact from a fair shoulder charge. It's not a professional sport, it's a passionate sporting pastime, lets put that into perspective.
You changed your view in the last few hours !
The medic is on looking after the player, the game plays on, I'm not a doctor so me stopping it has no bearing on how he's being looked after by the professional, if he's actually injured he's in good hands
True but you changed your tune from earlier but playing on is the best way to try and eradicate it.
Not really, I've amended my view in that I can't decide if the player is actually injured, the medic (if he actually is one lol) is best for that, playing on won't really interfere with play, rugby manage to do it for periods in the game.
So for me this is the best solution from all the others that have been put out ;)
PS. I'm a ref, I'm never wrong ;D
Except when your not right ! :)
Quote from: yellowcard on March 07, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they introduced it but they were the first team who tolerated a win at all costs mentality. Whether that was sledging, feigning injury or gamesmanship that Tyrone team under Mickey Harte had a win at all costs mentality which still pervades to this day. Players like Jordan, McGuigan, Cavanagh and McCann feigned injury in high profile games before yet the practice never disappeared. While players have to take personal responsibility, it can be easily eradicated by management ensuring that it doesn't become part of the culture. Kieran McGeeney for example would not tolerate a diving culture as it would be anathema to what he believes in.
Would he tolerate it from Ethan Rafferty?
Quote from: yellowcard on March 07, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they introduced it but they were the first team who tolerated a win at all costs mentality. Whether that was sledging, feigning injury or gamesmanship that Tyrone team under Mickey Harte had a win at all costs mentality which still pervades to this day. Players like Jordan, McGuigan, Cavanagh and McCann feigned injury in high profile games before yet the practice never disappeared. While players have to take personal responsibility, it can be easily eradicated by management ensuring that it doesn't become part of the culture. Kieran McGeeney for example would not tolerate a diving culture as it would be anathema to what he believes in.
Would he not aye.
Big, macho, strong, manly men dont believe in that guff.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 07, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: befair on March 06, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
Tyrone introduced diving/feigning injury in the 2000s, but as it's proven to be effective, there's been a culture change, and every team is at it, even at club level. Impossible for a ref to determine if an injury if being feigned, even if they have a MRI in their pocket.
And there are other consequences; with so many faked injuries, identifying the real one becomes more difficult
Lol what a load of nonsense. That team was known for its intensity, running after a ball like your life depended on it. It did not introduce feigning injury into GAA :o
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they introduced it but they were the first team who tolerated a win at all costs mentality. Whether that was sledging, feigning injury or gamesmanship that Tyrone team under Mickey Harte had a win at all costs mentality which still pervades to this day. Players like Jordan, McGuigan, Cavanagh and McCann feigned injury in high profile games before yet the practice never disappeared. While players have to take personal responsibility, it can be easily eradicated by management ensuring that it doesn't become part of the culture. Kieran McGeeney for example would not tolerate a diving culture as it would be anathema to what he believes in.
Would he tolerate it from Ethan Rafferty?
No I don't believe he would tolerate it from any player. I'm not sure if you are referring to a particular incident but I'm certain that it is not something that McGeeney would tolerate never mind encourage in his teams. If an individual player chooses to feign injury then that is something that a manager can't control but it's certainly not something that has been associated with an Armagh team.
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
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Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
Who was the ref who was standing what seemed like six feet away
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
That one was desperate and I'm sure he still gets slagging about it. Any player at that shit should be ashamed.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
Even the way he appealed his ban made it seem like he was proud of his behaviour which sunk his reputation even further.
His real punishment is that his name will live in infamy because of one bad incident rather than of any positive contributions. He's the Tonya Harding of Gaelic Football.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
The ban was "proposed "?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
lol!! WTF does that even mean? like are you justifying that because (in your head) that no one on here has an All Ireland medal that its grand?
Bitterness doesn't even come close to this shite, having a medal gives no one a free pass to be called out every time that comes up, and apologising because he got caught out isnt an excuse either
Quote from: J70 on March 09, 2023, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
The ban was "proposed "?
He got it but ended up getting off. Again the gaa hand an opportunity to stamp this out the but as usual the appeal succeed
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
Even the way he appealed his ban made it seem like he was proud of his behaviour which sunk his reputation even further.
His real punishment is that his name will live in infamy because of one bad incident rather than of any positive contributions. He's the Tonya Harding of Gaelic Football.
Tyrone were right to challenge the ban. It highlighted the hypocrisy and selective action taken by the GAA. As we know this was not the first dive in GAA history. The GAA tried to act outside their own rules, driven by the (justifiable) media hype and had to rescind the ban.
That said, McCann was a clown for his actions and deserved any abuse comes his way for that.
What technicality did Logan use to get him off?
Think basically they showed other incidents of diving that the GAA didn't retrospectively go back and impose a ban for. To be fair it was a bit of a slam dunk. Just highlighted how the GAA were led by the SG outrage rather that the act itself.
(Unless I'm misremembering it!!)
Shitty dive, but the other lad has no business putting his hand on his head to begin with.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 11, 2023, 11:11:05 PM
Shitty dive, but the other lad has no business putting his hand on his head hair to begin with.
Fixed that ffs!!
I can't believe people defending Tiernan McCann.
Your mind would be blown so if you read the original comments on the matter.plenty of one's saying he didn't dive at all!
Obviously he dived. But the other lad put his hand on his head looking for a reaction. He got one. Just not the one he expected.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 11, 2023, 11:51:56 PM
Much the same thing as you well know....
Come up today and see how I deal with that scenario lol
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I can't believe people defending Tiernan McCann.
Who defended McCann?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 09, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
The Hall of Fame for diving in Gaelic football, a one that will never be beaten til the end of time:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/CL6BsFWUwAAGsCy.gif)
Horrible act. I suppose the question should be why has no one been hit with a ban since this. Dives like this should be called out and punished with as ban. Would soon cut it out.
How did this pan out?
There was a ban proposed which is more then has been done to any other team. Fans and the gaa need to look at these issues individually rather than handing out proposed bans because a certain team is involved.
Even the way he appealed his ban made it seem like he was proud of his behaviour which sunk his reputation even further.
His real punishment is that his name will live in infamy because of one bad incident rather than of any positive contributions. He's the Tonya Harding of Gaelic Football.
Tyrone were right to challenge the ban. It highlighted the hypocrisy and selective action taken by the GAA. As we know this was not the first dive in GAA history. The GAA tried to act outside their own rules, driven by the (justifiable) media hype and had to rescind the ban.
That said, McCann was a clown for his actions and deserved any abuse comes his way for that.
This act sums him up.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 09, 2023, 05:53:31 PM
Think basically they showed other incidents of diving that the GAA didn't retrospectively go back and impose a ban for. To be fair it was a bit of a slam dunk. Just highlighted how the GAA were led by the SG outrage rather that the act itself.
(Unless I'm misremembering it!!)
All fair enough points but the dive was so ridiculous that it just can't be defended. If tyrone had accepted the ban as they should've imo it would've set a precedent and more bans would've followed. The conor cox one last week was a disgrace also, as was sean kelly's. There needs to be an explicit rule allowing retrospective bans for blatant simulation because it'll cause huge controversy in the championship if more of these ridiculous dives result in game changing moments.
Quote from: lenny on March 12, 2023, 11:41:59 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 09, 2023, 05:53:31 PM
Think basically they showed other incidents of diving that the GAA didn't retrospectively go back and impose a ban for. To be fair it was a bit of a slam dunk. Just highlighted how the GAA were led by the SG outrage rather that the act itself.
(Unless I'm misremembering it!!)
All fair enough points but the dive was so ridiculous that it just can't be defended. If tyrone had accepted the ban as they should've imo it would've set a precedent and more bans would've followed. The conor cox one last week was a disgrace also, as was sean kelly's. There needs to be an explicit rule allowing retrospective bans for blatant simulation because it'll cause huge controversy in the championship if more of these ridiculous dives result in game changing moments.
The dive wasn't defended. The GAA processes were rightly challenged. It's not hard to put a rule/ process in place and start the actions from that point. That's how the process should work. And you know that.
This dive was equally pathetic. https://youtu.be/DHuU3EdJ1NQ
But was Kerry, so we'll ignore that and wait for the SG to decide.
There was plenty whataboutery from Tyrone fans at the time. Same as when Marsden got send off, Greg McCartan etc. How about calling out your players instead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2023, 12:16:32 PM
There was plenty whataboutery from Tyrone fans at the time. Same as when Marsden got send off, Greg McCartan etc. How about calling out your players instead.
I know you Derry wans struggle with the reading. But why not read the god damn posts ffs instead of losing the run of yourselves again.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
A slight hint of victim hood there, with a tinge of barely perceptible martyrdom :)
What gets me is that an official had a front seat view for both profile incidents (Tiernan and Aidan O'Mahony), the best in the house yet fluffed their duty spectacularly. A player might have an excuse for losing their rag/head in an intense game but both of those officials have no excuse seeing as they were eyeballing what transpired.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
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Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
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Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant
rant rate.
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
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Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Bit of a silly post. There were at least 2 newspaper articles in the years after it in which he apologised. Never seen too many tyrone fans defending it as it was a stupid action he did. They were right however in pointing out other examples due to the hypocrisy of it. Again this is why he got off with it as the gaa never took action on any of the numerous previous incidents. I would say getting a player sent off in an all ireland final is worse, see a kerry player for that.
The gaa need to take a stand on it and not only when a certain team is involved. These issues happen due to inaction and no clear follow up by the gaa.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant rant rate.
Point me to any article which contains an apology from him. I read numerous articles and interviews with him in the subsequent years where the disgraceful dive was brought up and not once did he apologise. I'm quite content to be proved wrong and will happily apologise if you can show me a link to an apology from mccann.
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant rant rate.
Point me to any article which contains an apology from him. I read numerous articles and interviews with him in the subsequent years where the disgraceful dive was brought up and not once did he apologise. I'm quite content to be proved wrong and will happily apologise if you can show me a link to an apology from mccann.
I never mentioned an apology. There we go with that lack of reading again. Must do better.
I was more interested in your fibs about no Tyrone posters unequivocally condemning his actions. You seem to be unable to separate the actions of McCann and then the subsequent actions of the GAA.
As I said standards are slipping.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant rant rate.
Point me to any article which contains an apology from him. I read numerous articles and interviews with him in the subsequent years where the disgraceful dive was brought up and not once did he apologise. I'm quite content to be proved wrong and will happily apologise if you can show me a link to an apology from mccann.
I never mentioned an apology. There we go with that lack of reading again. Must do better.
I was more interested in your fibs about no Tyrone posters unequivocally condemning his actions. You seem to be unable to separate the actions of McCann and then the subsequent actions of the GAA.
As I said standards are slipping.
You butted into a part of the discussion where Red Hand had claimed McCann had apologised, he was taken to task by Lenny and you offered some bizarre derogatory personal comment whilst missing the germane point of Lenny's reply, namely the 'apology'.
I have read one article where McCann offered some sort of a low level apology, claimed he's been a good boy since, therefore his apology was more defined by his good behaviour since.
Regardless, Darren is on good friendly terms with quite a few from that Tyrone squad and mentioned he has never received a phone call from McCann who was given his number by those 'good tyronies'.
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant rant rate.
Point me to any article which contains an apology from him. I read numerous articles and interviews with him in the subsequent years where the disgraceful dive was brought up and not once did he apologise. I'm quite content to be proved wrong and will happily apologise if you can show me a link to an apology from mccann.
He even uses the word sorry
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/tiernan-mccann-admits-regrets-infamous-11869990.amp
Again this doest change the horrible act that he did however until the gaa take serious action at each case then its going to keep happening
Sorry he got caught ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2023, 07:29:25 AM
Sorry he got caught ;)
There probably is truth to that lol.
Was watching the rugby at the weekend and it really is night and day on how players react. In rugby there is no shouting or hounding at the ref, no diving or fans booing the free taker. The gaa need to start going down this road.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2023, 08:08:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2023, 07:29:25 AM
Sorry he got caught ;)
There probably is truth to that lol.
Was watching the rugby at the weekend and it really is night and day on how players react. In rugby there is no shouting or hounding at the ref, no diving or fans booing the free taker. The gaa need to start going down this road.
A lot of it down to the ref's, first match this season, I booked the first person who showed dissent, there was no talking the rest of the game, move the ball forward at every opportunity and that also happened in the rugby at the weekend, its zero tolerance, whether that is respect or discipline I don't know, though I find it's the latter..
When its done here the cries are "the ref wants to be the center of attention" or " It's all about him" pure bullshit, the ref wants off the pitch as quick and unnoticed as possible.
Did a game last night, unusual as it was a schools all stars selection game, not a peep, nothing the whole game, now I'm not sure if they were told that chit chat with the ref would mark them down or they just got on with trying to impress I don't know, but it flowed well and no hassle
Quote from: Main Street on March 15, 2023, 01:20:51 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2023, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2023, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 09, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
8 week ban for this and he got off on appeal. The rulebook/disciplinary process needs to be rewritten. Hate the game, not the player.
For all the weights these footballers do they go down pretty quick!! No defence for that shite!! Is he still playing?
Rode off into the sunset with his all-ireland medal. Which is one more than anyone here.
He's apologised on the record for it years ago, but that will never satisfy some people who will harbour bitterness towards Tyrone for rest of their life.
I've never seen or read any apology from him. The only thing I ever read was him talking about how he was the real victim in the situation and looking for sympathy which he got in bucket loads from his loyal tyrone fans who could see no wrong in what he did. Even now there's never an unequivocal criticism of him by tyrone fans without some whatabutery included. It's pathetic that they can't just see what a pathetic dive it was and how they might've got a short term win by him getting off but it didn't do tyrone or the game any good in the long run.
Still struggling with the auld reading. Education levels in Derry seem to dropping at a significant rant rate.
Point me to any article which contains an apology from him. I read numerous articles and interviews with him in the subsequent years where the disgraceful dive was brought up and not once did he apologise. I'm quite content to be proved wrong and will happily apologise if you can show me a link to an apology from mccann.
I never mentioned an apology. There we go with that lack of reading again. Must do better.
I was more interested in your fibs about no Tyrone posters unequivocally condemning his actions. You seem to be unable to separate the actions of McCann and then the subsequent actions of the GAA.
As I said standards are slipping.
You butted into a part of the discussion where Red Hand had claimed McCann had apologised, he was taken to task by Lenny and you offered some bizarre derogatory personal comment whilst missing the germane point of Lenny's reply, namely the 'apology'.
I have read one article where McCann offered some sort of a low level apology, claimed he's been a good boy since, therefore his apology was more defined by his good behaviour since.
Regardless, Darren is on good friendly terms with quite a few from that Tyrone squad and mentioned he has never received a phone call from McCann who was given his number by those 'good tyronies'.
I'm entitled to reply to any post I feel the need too. Much the same way you decided to butt into this conversation as well. The more the merrier.
I made a comment in relation to part of Lenny's post about how Tyrone people were not excusing McCann of his actions. Which links to previous posts from other Derry posters on the page previously. I don't have to address his post line by line. If you can't work out the connection then sometimes it's better to remain silent.