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Title: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Ballybrittas Boy on December 01, 2022, 04:30:41 PM
O'Byrne Cup 2023

Group A: Kildare, Louth, Westmeath, Wexford

Group B: Longford, Carlow, Meath, Laois

Group C: Dublin, Wicklow, Offaly

Wednesday, 4 January 2023: Wexford v Kildare; Louth v Westmeath; Laois v Longford; Carlow v Meath; Wicklow v Dublin; Offaly Bye

Saturday, 7 January 2023: Westmeath v Wexford; Kildare v Louth; Longford v Carlow; Meath v Laois; Offaly v Wicklow; Dublin Bye.

Wednesday, 11 January 2023: Wexford v Louth; Westmeath v Kildare; Laois v Carlow; Meath v Longford; Dublin v Offaly; Wicklow Bye.

Sunday, 15 January 2023: Semi-Finals, Winners A v Winners C, Winners B Bye to Final.

Friday, January 20 2023: Final
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 01, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
Any idea what kind of a line up we can expect Wednesday?
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: SCFC on January 02, 2023, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Butch Cassidy on January 01, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
Any idea what kind of a line up we can expect Wednesday?
It would be pure guesswork to try predict that team.
Scott Osborne in goals might be something to see. Maybe the return of Piggott and Murphy. And a few new outfield lads in the squad might get a run like Sean O'Neill, Patrick Kirwan and Damon Larkin.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 03, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Apart from having a poor manager, we are now deciding that average players from outside the county are eligible.  They keep finding new lows.   
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 03, 2023, 06:04:29 PM
What's this BallyroanAbu?
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 03, 2023, 06:14:28 PM
1 – Killian Roche (Killeshin)
2 – Sean Greene (Emo)
3 – Seamus Lacey (Ballylinan)
4 – Alex Mohan (Portarlington)
5 – Padraig Kirwan (Emo)
6 – Sean O'Flynn (Courtwood)
7 – Darragh Carolan (Stradbally)
8 – Damon Larkin (Portlaoise)
9 – Cathal Doyle (Ballyroan-Abbey)
10 – Kevin Swayne (Portlaoise)
11 – Lee Walker (Graiguecullen)
12 – Dylan Kavanagh (The Heath)
13 – Niall Corbet (Clonaslee-St Manman's)
14 – Brian Daly (St Joseph's)
15 – Colm Murphy (Portarlington)
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 03, 2023, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on January 03, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Apart from having a poor manager, we are now deciding that average players from outside the county are eligible.  They keep finding new lows.

I 100% agree with you Ballyroanabu . I know the player(s) you are talking about too .
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 03, 2023, 07:28:21 PM
Sort out our underage, at least begin to tackle our problems. It's  16 years since we have won any Minor/U21/20 Leinster Titles.  Dublin haven't dominated here so that excuse is a non runner.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Giovanni on January 03, 2023, 08:25:42 PM
Nothing particularly new about using average players from outside the county. And we're not the only ones.

I'm glad to see a new look side who might come with fresh energy and interest.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 03, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
They won't, I'd say we have the same cliches every year.   Last year we were getting optimistic in the O Byrne Cup with a fresh team.  That turned out well, we simply wander along aimlessly.  No plan or strategy and hope for a result.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Laois man on January 03, 2023, 10:42:43 PM
Lads ye may take over the footballers cause ye know what all the problems are. Not a ball kicked this year yet are yer giving out.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 04, 2023, 12:06:31 AM
Doesn't matter nobody cares that much,  drives me mad.  But less so as years go on,  nobody wants to hear it as some relative, pal is somewhat connected.  But our demise over 15 years has been brutal.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Giovanni on January 04, 2023, 10:29:43 AM
There is no doubt that our demise over the last 15 years has been brutal.

I don't have a lot of time for Billy Sheehan (as a player or a manager) but what can you expect him to do? If he goes with the same old soldiers, he is guaranteed to get the same results (or worse) than before. So he is right to go with a new team. I don't know if this is the best that's available to him or if he's managed to get everyone on board but we should wait and see and give him a chance.

Sugrue was the only one in recent years who made the team greater than the sum of its parts and although it was painful to watch at times, it was effective. I would hope that Billy Sheehan can find a way to make the team more effective.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 04, 2023, 10:54:06 AM
The current management background team wouldn't exactly inspire you with confidence Conway aside .
Regardless best of luck to the lads Involved. Division 4 will be a struggle particularly with the transition we are going .
Demise there to be seen . This is our level now for the foreseeable until the ground work is revitalised in the county which is a long way away unfortunately.
Still have to support the lads in Division 4 and the Taiteann Cup as they'll need it and it's something we have to get used to now going forward.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: mcwregor on January 04, 2023, 02:53:39 PM
Agree with most of the above. It really shouldn't be that difficult to put a long term plan in place. Stop ploughing so much money into our senior teams and invest in underage. We only need to look over the ditch at offaly and take note. They are moving to strengthen all areas around coaching and development. Offaly realise that rome wasn't built in a day but they are making headway in as many areas as they can and its clearly a plan for the future more so than now. Laois set up is more like carrying on to carry on. Its short term success driven which is a waste of time, its hap hazard, non transparent, nobody outside of the co board can see any tangible progress. Even the newly proposed works at the COE appear great, ball wall and 5g pitch but will we have players to play their in 10 years time?. The co board deserve credit for the facility we have at COE but we should now be looking at investing in the future of our games hurling and football.
Our co secretary lashed out at ppl for bemoaning our development squads whole declining to get involved. Anybody i have spoken to that has been involved over the years have been left disappointed with a lack of leadership and lack of real ambition from HQ.
Bottom line the priority of our co board needs to  be the schools(primary and secondary), development squads, clubs underage structures and setanta programmes etc need to be managed properly with proper investment. Otherwise we will forever be division 4 team.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Smellyball on January 04, 2023, 11:00:31 PM
Unlucky tonight, we're well in it until the last couple of minutes.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Giovanni on January 05, 2023, 12:11:58 PM
I wasn't at it but I understood we were 15 or 16 points down at half time?
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: SCFC on January 05, 2023, 12:44:41 PM
That was very sobering last night. Would remind you of the first game last year down in Wexford. Both games were over at half time. Both games had a load of reasonably decent but average enough club players making their debuts. At the end of the day, when we play Sligo in the first league game at the end of the month, we are likely to be looking at Trevor Collins, Eoin Lowry, Paddy O'Sullivan, Paul Kingston, Mark Barry, James Finn, Evan O'Carroll and Brian Byrne all starting. Possibly Piggott and Lillis too.

Goalkeeper position is a concern too. 3 of the last 4 starting senior goalies for Laois are not avavilable (Brody, Bolger and Byron) and the fourth, Corbett, is playing outfield.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 05, 2023, 12:53:17 PM
Glorified challenge match against a Longford side who had by all accounts a more established starting 15 . Our fitness and S&C is so far behind other counties and without Brody in goals we will concede goals regularly. But we already know all this ..  Navan could be ugly Saturday.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 05, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
How does Sheehan have them setup? Regardless of personnel, to concede that much in football at that level is alarming. Surely after the Wicklow game last year there would be some sort of defensive structure in place.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 05, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
He isn't very good, I know we're average but so are Longford.  Doesn't matter he will prob stick out his best team on Sat.  We win, crisis over till Sligo match.  I explained this years ago, Club Football will now take precedent in Laois so as we don't have to acknowledge how bad we are.  25 years ago we were on the edge of a golden age, 1 Leinster in hindsight was a poor return.   I like a lot of lads on the County Board personally but questions have to be asked.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Chrimtain on January 05, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
Does anyone believe that Billy Sheehan has any clue about what he is doing or what he is attempting to achieve? What happened against Wexford last year should not have been allowed to happen again this year.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 05, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
Getting rid of Sheehan or keeping Sheehan won't make much of a difference at all in the long term . Our problems go FAR beyond just Billy Sheehan. We are a mess from top to bottom . Our minor footballers last year for example suffered 20 point defeats to both Offaly and Dublin in the championship.
We were a mess before Sheehan arrived and we are still a mess with him . We need a complete rebuild from underage grassroots the whole way up to senior intercounty . You can't solve the problems at senior intercounty without solving the problems at schools , club and underage level too. What went on in Port last night is only the tip of the iceberg, it's the end product of years of taking our eye off the ball . We have sleepwalked into this mess
The next manager that comes in after Sheehan will have the very same problems . The frightening part is I'm not sure whether the expertise nor the appetite is their in Laois to overhaul our structures and change this mess . I honestly think we are going to just limp on the way we are . Truth be told whether we come out of division 4 or not this year it won't make a whole lot of difference in the long run . When we start playing teams in the higher divisions again we are going to be badly shown up again and then back to square one  .
Id like to see all our resources poured into the underage , giving them the best coaching , the best S and C and the professionalism that they would recieve in counties like Dublin for example . We have to put in the hard yards and prepare these young players for senior intercounty football down the line . Simply sitting back and hoping that a " Golden bunch " will come along simply won't work anymore in this age of pace , power and S and C . You won't break even with the likes of Dublin or Kildare for example by sitting Back and hoping we will "magically " improve .  When we get a conveyor belt of good underage teams coming again we will see the knock on affect at senior in maybe 5/6 years .
I have never doubted the ability in Laois but one thing we don't have is the pace and power and size to match any of the semi decent intercounty teams . That thank god can all be worked on put it is going to take a LOT of hard work and patience . I've heard a lot of people say that we are in "transition " . Where exactly are we transitioning to ? As it stands we will be transitioning between division 3 and 4 for the next 10 years unless we roll up the sleeves and put in the hard yards at underage .
Look at Port vs Kilmacud for example . Some very good "footballers"  on that Port team but they simply couldn't deal with the power and pace and size that kilmacud possessed from years of hard work on the S and C side of things . Them Port players have never been exposed to that level of attention to their S and C from a young age like the kilmacud lads . Give them Port lads the same attention to training from a young age as the kilmacud lads and Port would EASILY break even with Kilmacud.
Us people in Laois want the end result of a rebuild without having to go through the actual rebuild process itself . It's going to take a lot of work . I'm not sure we have the expertise and appetite to do it but if we want to become competitive again we will have to do it . LaoisAbu
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Gmac on January 05, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Chrimtain on January 05, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
Does anyone believe that Billy Sheehan has any clue about what he is doing or what he is attempting to achieve? What happened against Wexford last year should not have been allowed to happen again this year.
wicklow ? Spoke to county secretary last July and he said he was very confident he would turn it around , make of that what you want .
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Giovanni on January 05, 2023, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on January 05, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
Getting rid of Sheehan or keeping Sheehan won't make much of a difference at all in the long term . Our problems go FAR beyond just Billy Sheehan. We are a mess from top to bottom . Our minor footballers last year for example suffered 20 point defeats to both Offaly and Dublin in the championship.
We were a mess before Sheehan arrived and we are still a mess with him . We need a complete rebuild from underage grassroots the whole way up to senior intercounty . You can't solve the problems at senior intercounty without solving the problems at schools , club and underage level too. What went on in Port last night is only the tip of the iceberg, it's the end product of years of taking our eye off the ball . We have sleepwalked into this mess
The next manager that comes in after Sheehan will have the very same problems . The frightening part is I'm not sure whether the expertise nor the appetite is their in Laois to overhaul our structures and change this mess . I honestly think we are going to just limp on the way we are . Truth be told whether we come out of division 4 or not this year it won't make a whole lot of difference in the long run . When we start playing teams in the higher divisions again we are going to be badly shown up again and then back to square one  .
Id like to see all our resources poured into the underage , giving them the best coaching , the best S and C and the professionalism that they would recieve in counties like Dublin for example . We have to put in the hard yards and prepare these young players for senior intercounty football down the line . Simply sitting back and hoping that a " Golden bunch " will come along simply won't work anymore in this age of pace , power and S and C . You won't break even with the likes of Dublin or Kildare for example by sitting Back and hoping we will "magically " improve .  When we get a conveyor belt of good underage teams coming again we will see the knock on affect at senior in maybe 5/6 years .
I have never doubted the ability in Laois but one thing we don't have the is pace and power and size to match any of the semi decent intercounty teams . That thank god can all be worked on put it is going to take a LOT of hard work and patience . I've heard a lot of people say that we are in "transition " . Where exactly are we transitioning to ? As it stands we will be transitioning between division 3 and 4 for the next 10 years unless we roll up the sleeves and put in the hard yards at underage .
Look at Port vs Kilmacud for example . Some very good "footballers"  on that Port team but they simply couldn't deal with the power and pace and size that kilmacud possessed from years of hard work on the S and C side of things . Them Port players have never been exposed to that level of attention to their S and C from a young age like the kilmacud lads . Give them Port lads the same attention to training from a young age as the kilmacud lads and Port would EASILY break even with Kilmacud.
Us people in Laois want the end result of a rebuild without having to go through the actual rebuild process itself . It's going to take a lot of work . I'm not sure we have the expertise and appetite to do it but if we want to become competitive again we will have to do it . LaoisAbu

Good post. These really are all the important points.

Having said that, a decent manager should be able to ensure a better performance than that, no matter the makeup of the team. It's only o Byrne Cup and the result doesn't matter but you really need  to see some evidence of a way doing things that can actually work. This is no good for anyone.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Sideline12 on January 05, 2023, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on January 05, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
Getting rid of Sheehan or keeping Sheehan won't make much of a difference at all in the long term . Our problems go FAR beyond just Billy Sheehan. We are a mess from top to bottom . Our minor footballers last year for example suffered 20 point defeats to both Offaly and Dublin in the championship.
We were a mess before Sheehan arrived and we are still a mess with him . We need a complete rebuild from underage grassroots the whole way up to senior intercounty . You can't solve the problems at senior intercounty without solving the problems at schools , club and underage level too. What went on in Port last night is only the tip of the iceberg, it's the end product of years of taking our eye off the ball . We have sleepwalked into this mess
The next manager that comes in after Sheehan will have the very same problems . The frightening part is I'm not sure whether the expertise nor the appetite is their in Laois to overhaul our structures and change this mess . I honestly think we are going to just limp on the way we are . Truth be told whether we come out of division 4 or not this year it won't make a whole lot of difference in the long run . When we start playing teams in the higher divisions again we are going to be badly shown up again and then back to square one  .
Id like to see all our resources poured into the underage , giving them the best coaching , the best S and C and the professionalism that they would recieve in counties like Dublin for example . We have to put in the hard yards and prepare these young players for senior intercounty football down the line . Simply sitting back and hoping that a " Golden bunch " will come along simply won't work anymore in this age of pace , power and S and C . You won't break even with the likes of Dublin or Kildare for example by sitting Back and hoping we will "magically " improve .  When we get a conveyor belt of good underage teams coming again we will see the knock on affect at senior in maybe 5/6 years .
I have never doubted the ability in Laois but one thing we don't have the is pace and power and size to match any of the semi decent intercounty teams . That thank god can all be worked on put it is going to take a LOT of hard work and patience . I've heard a lot of people say that we are in "transition " . Where exactly are we transitioning to ? As it stands we will be transitioning between division 3 and 4 for the next 10 years unless we roll up the sleeves and put in the hard yards at underage .
Look at Port vs Kilmacud for example . Some very good "footballers"  on that Port team but they simply couldn't deal with the power and pace and size that kilmacud possessed from years of hard work on the S and C side of things . Them Port players have never been exposed to that level of attention to their S and C from a young age like the kilmacud lads . Give them Port lads the same attention to training from a young age as the kilmacud lads and Port would EASILY break even with Kilmacud.
Us people in Laois want the end result of a rebuild without having to go through the actual rebuild process itself . It's going to take a lot of work . I'm not sure we have the expertise and appetite to do it but if we want to become competitive again we will have to do it . LaoisAbu
great post all that the truth, just hope you won't be repeating the same post in another few years.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 06, 2023, 09:17:29 AM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on January 05, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
Getting rid of Sheehan or keeping Sheehan won't make much of a difference at all in the long term . Our problems go FAR beyond just Billy Sheehan. We are a mess from top to bottom . Our minor footballers last year for example suffered 20 point defeats to both Offaly and Dublin in the championship.
We were a mess before Sheehan arrived and we are still a mess with him . We need a complete rebuild from underage grassroots the whole way up to senior intercounty . You can't solve the problems at senior intercounty without solving the problems at schools , club and underage level too. What went on in Port last night is only the tip of the iceberg, it's the end product of years of taking our eye off the ball . We have sleepwalked into this mess
The next manager that comes in after Sheehan will have the very same problems . The frightening part is I'm not sure whether the expertise nor the appetite is their in Laois to overhaul our structures and change this mess . I honestly think we are going to just limp on the way we are . Truth be told whether we come out of division 4 or not this year it won't make a whole lot of difference in the long run . When we start playing teams in the higher divisions again we are going to be badly shown up again and then back to square one  .
Id like to see all our resources poured into the underage , giving them the best coaching , the best S and C and the professionalism that they would recieve in counties like Dublin for example . We have to put in the hard yards and prepare these young players for senior intercounty football down the line . Simply sitting back and hoping that a " Golden bunch " will come along simply won't work anymore in this age of pace , power and S and C . You won't break even with the likes of Dublin or Kildare for example by sitting Back and hoping we will "magically " improve .  When we get a conveyor belt of good underage teams coming again we will see the knock on affect at senior in maybe 5/6 years .
I have never doubted the ability in Laois but one thing we don't have is the pace and power and size to match any of the semi decent intercounty teams . That thank god can all be worked on put it is going to take a LOT of hard work and patience . I've heard a lot of people say that we are in "transition " . Where exactly are we transitioning to ? As it stands we will be transitioning between division 3 and 4 for the next 10 years unless we roll up the sleeves and put in the hard yards at underage .
Look at Port vs Kilmacud for example . Some very good "footballers"  on that Port team but they simply couldn't deal with the power and pace and size that kilmacud possessed from years of hard work on the S and C side of things . Them Port players have never been exposed to that level of attention to their S and C from a young age like the kilmacud lads . Give them Port lads the same attention to training from a young age as the kilmacud lads and Port would EASILY break even with Kilmacud.
Us people in Laois want the end result of a rebuild without having to go through the actual rebuild process itself . It's going to take a lot of work . I'm not sure we have the expertise and appetite to do it but if we want to become competitive again we will have to do it . LaoisAbu

Spot on with the analysis
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Oblivious on January 06, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
Some of the observations I would agree with Laoisabu but the same comments regarding underage structures and s&c have now been on this forum for a number of years without much enthusiasm to alter the path but I always think its unfair to discuss underage football and then bringing in Dublin or in your post Dublin and Offaly. All football comes done to money and numbers, its irrelevant that the minors lost to Dublin and Offay. They beat Louth, Carlow and Westmeath. The also lost to Wexford but were down injuries. Laois rely upon a golden crop at any stage to compete. In 2021 Laois minors were well beaten by a much stronger Louth Team , massive strength and it was men against boys. This year the minors beat Louth, surely Louth had also gone through the same rigorous S&C programme .

The difference is that was a good crop for Louth in 2021 and not so good in 2022. Offaly this year at Minor and Hurling and football was their golden crop. Some of the same Laois  lads who played minor football also played minor hurling and the training and S&C assisted them or maybe it was a good crop. Sligo will be strong and at Minor level over the last few years they have won Connaught and competed with Mayo and Galway, they just cant bring it into the senior squad.

Kilmacud Crokes probably within their club have about the same number of people playing as all the Laois clubs combined. They have excellent facilities at their own grounds unlike all other Laois senior clubs and the underage S&C training also takes place both within the clubs and at secondary school level, as a number of the clubs would have pupils who attend fee paying schools that play rugby, so core strength and S&C goes in tandem. Kids can also either walk or jump on a bus to a range of sports facilities and grounds without relying upon daddy or mammy taxi.       

Kids and teenagers and adults want success, they want to feel ,they can achieve it and they want to experience it. Can you see that being the case currently. Its all historical success and that's not attractive to the player or punter   

Underage at school levels in Laois  is usually based on an all inclusive participation as opposed to focusing on  core strength and stability and also most schools in Laois would be mixed schools at primary level due to numbers as opposed to larger urban areas in Dublin which may lead to more sports driven focused PE.

Anyway the post is getting off the point, the O'Byrne Cup is a trial period to see who can cut the mustard and the team will change over the coming weeks and they will get beaten by the rest of Leinster but if there wasn't new players coming in , there would be several posts bemoaning the management sticking with tried and tired players.

                   
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: SCFC on January 06, 2023, 03:47:59 PM
Quote from: Oblivious on January 06, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
if there wasn't new players coming in , there would be several posts bemoaning the management sticking with tried and tired players.
The O'Byrne Cup has always been used to look at new players.
I'm just a bit concerned that there are lads in on the panel who aren't as good as others out there who aren't involved.
I'm particularly thinking of Davin McEvoy and Sean Fitzpatrick of Ballyroan Abbey. I'd also like to see Saunders, Tyrrell, a chap from Joseph's whose name is gone on me and the 2 Dunnes, Eoin and Niall off the under 20 squad a few years back getting a chance. Not to mention 2 or 3 more Port lads.
Maybe they've all been asked and said no but it's a pity to lose them.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: High Fielder on January 06, 2023, 07:44:04 PM
Most of those have had a go. Even though they undoubtedly had potential, they didn't persevere. Unless they come back wanting it more, why would you chase around after them? We are where we are for a million different reasons. I'm sad to say that there have been far too many lads with so much talent who have f**k all fire in their belly. They're no addition to any team
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: SCFC on January 06, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on January 06, 2023, 07:44:04 PM
Most of those have had a go.
Have they? I don't remember any of them on a Laois senior squad except possibly Tyrrell. And you're right, if they've been asked and turned it down, no loss. But I don't know if that's the case.
Anyway, we have who we have. No point speculating now with the league 3 weeks away
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: High Fielder on January 06, 2023, 09:11:30 PM
I don't like singling lads out but guaranteed two have been on a panel and the others all asked at least. They don't want to be there. Their choice I suppose

Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 07, 2023, 01:06:31 PM
There was over 45 lads requested in for training with the county in December.  Work that one out . We simply have to work with what we have . Clearly the interest in representing your county is clearly not what it was for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 07, 2023, 04:06:34 PM
Or they voted with their feet
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: redsetanta on January 07, 2023, 04:07:50 PM
Decent result today.

Lack of goals would be a concern because we're not keeping them out!
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Tier2 on January 07, 2023, 04:30:17 PM
Close enough to a starting team with a few obvious exceptions.
Hopefully a strong team goes out against Carlow who got a trimming from Longford on Wednesday.
Evan o Carrol was extremely lively and effective dropped into the middle to collect a few as well.
Far More positive thankfully
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 07, 2023, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 07, 2023, 04:07:50 PM
Decent result today.

Lack of goals would be a concern because we're not keeping them out!

Here we go
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Tony on January 07, 2023, 05:56:34 PM
Good performace today. I live near Navan so I said I'd have a look. Was decently impressed. Evan O C the top performer. It's a pity that we don't have everybody involved, but once the 15 lads on the pitch try their best for the jersey, that's as much as I want to see to be honest. And while we're at it - we're not exactly a sleeping giant are we? 0 all irelands and 1 leinster in the last many many years. I think we have to temper our expectations a bit. When were we last a good side in the top tier? 20 years ago. Some lads from counties such as Laois have to work outside the county. It's not exclusive to Laois that lads aren't committing. But I think a discussion about the hours it takes to train with a county side is one for another day.

Go with what we have and the lads who want to be there deserve our support. Good showing today. I see us getting out of Div 4 as we have enough talent to do that. Beyond that, probably a short summer but when is it not, really. Once we show passion for the jersey, I'm going to support that.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: on the hop on January 08, 2023, 12:42:45 AM
first time to see the team live this year. wasn't a bad game, ref let a bit of edge in it which helped. gale of a wind  straight down the pitch made it tough at times. both seemed more comfortable against it as it allowed them to put the ball through the hands and use runners, its a pity more long kicking wasn't used as there was space inside at times. meath started with the wind but for some reason would not shoot to the annoyance of their crowd. when they did, a lot of wides and drop shorts, we were doing ok but there scores came from our mistakes especially the goal.we seemed to have problems generally tracking runners and they overloaded a lot on the wings. We  came into it well in the last 15 minutes of the half when evan in particular kicked some great scores from frees especially and play. We really slowed the game down at this time. thought we were more economical with our shooting.

i was hoping after half time with the strong wind and that they were far more experimental than us that we would pull ahead of them. they were well on top of us for most of this half, again the hand passing and running game suited them and we couldn't win a ball in midfield. a bit of indiscipline in the backs which possibly was down to the fitness of players didn't help conceding soft frees. there was a period of a lot of changes and meath probably thought they were over the line but the subs we brought in had a bit more zip and we kicked the last few points to get an unlikely draw.

a bit of work to do before the league, todays team barring injuries is probably the league starting team. osborne will probably be the keeper, i think Piggott is wasted in the corner and he looked to go over on his knee, collins will probably stay at full, greene is a battler but i don't know whether he is a corner man. not a great day for the half back line, the positioning of timmons was baffling so deep, his man was an outlet most times, both wing men had there moments but are not the greatest markers. midfield will probably see lillis and finn as unfortunately damon larkin looked like a hamstring which was a pity as he offered mobility, young doyle has a good bit to go to be considered an option. in fairness swayne did a lot of work but i don't think he is a midfielder. the forwards at times were sluggish, i would prefer o sullivan in the backs but evan was probably the most consistent doing a lot of work. bar walker who brought a bit of zip it looks like the same set of forwards mostly last year, colm murphy i think is a more central player than been in the corner isolated.

in the end 16 points is a good score as we mostly are around 12 scores in the last few years, again goals or even goal chances are a problem. as i said good bit of work to do before the league and hopefully the injuries aren't too bad before the difficult opener in sligo.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 10, 2023, 02:52:11 PM
Laois team V Carlow


1 – Conor Brown (Portlaoise)
2 – Seamus Lacey (Ballylinan)
3 – Trevor Collins (Graiguecullen)
4 – Alex Mohan (Portarlington)
5 – Padraig Kirwan (Emo)
6 – Robbie Pigott (Portarlington)
7 – Dylan Kavanagh (The Heath)
8 – Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise)
9 – Ciaran Burke (Crettyard)
10 – Cathal Doyle (Ballyroan-Abbey)
11 – Paul Kingston (Arles-Killeen)
12 – Kevin Swayne (Portlaoise)
13 – Niall Corbet (Clonaslee-St Manman's)
14 – Brian Daly (St Joseph's)
15 – Lee Walker (Graiguecullen)
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 11, 2023, 12:25:26 PM
Match OFF tonight . Pitch unplayable
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Tier2 on January 12, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
The game between Laois and Carlow was initially postponed from Wednesday evening to the weekend due to weather conditions.

The latest O'Byrne Cup cancellation leaves Laois without an opponent for their last game in the competition.

Carlow were due to play Billy Sheehan's footballers in Stradbally on Wednesday until the game was postponed due to a waterlogged pitch.

Today Leinster GAA were notified that Carlow were unable to fulfil the fixture due to "Sigerson Cup commitments, injuries and sickness ".

The game will now, not take place.

Laois' first game of their division four league campaign will them making the trip to Markievicz Park to take on Sligo.
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 12, 2023, 03:33:55 PM
Hear there playing Kildare in a challenge match next week .
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 13, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on January 12, 2023, 03:33:55 PM
Hear there playing Kildare in a challenge match next week .

Any idea where that game will take place?
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 17, 2023, 12:30:47 PM
Couldn't tell you Junior
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 17, 2023, 12:55:26 PM
Is Donie Kingston involved?
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 17, 2023, 06:58:05 PM
He's not in training with them anyway .
Heard Rioghan Murphy will be available after his Basketball commitments which is good news .
Title: Re: O’Byrne Cup 2023
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 19, 2023, 03:49:50 PM
When are his basketball commitments up? Did the Kildare match go ahead?

Pity Donie isn't training, he would have been a great weapon in division 4.