Kicks off in Germany 2moro
Overall betting with Skybet-
Froome 11/8
Porte 9/4
Quintana 6/1
Contador 14/1
Aru 14/1
Chaves 50/1
Open enough betting for a change. Porte has the form going in and it could be a generous 9/4, possible value in Quintana if he's came out of the Giro ok. Chaves is a big price there , 1/4 odds for top 3.
Ropey enough weather forecast for a few days, some of the big guns normally come a cropper.
Thibaut Pinot 11/4 to finish inTop 10 is a value bet. Taking a chance after his Giro efforts but I think I'll have a rattle at that.
Main players are short prices so going for Bardet and chaves ew with Navarro and pantanno for top 10 finishes 14/1 & 16/1 on those 2.
Was looking at the route earlier and there don't seem to be many mountain top finishes or TTs. Does this help or hinder Froome?
Good interview with kimmage on OTB on Thursday night, particularly where he talked about dropping out of the 1987 tour
Big start to the Tour for Sky, Froome & Thomas. Could be the winning of it already. Valverde out with a broken leg & dislocated knee.
None of the Irish lads born in Ireland?
Being irish is a state of mind
Shit, Sagan DQ'd. On first viewing it looked a blatant elbow but after a few viewings I'm not so sure.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 04, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
Shit, Sagan DQ'd. On first viewing it looked a blatant elbow but after a few viewings I'm not so sure.
i'm not either. the frontal view is the best. Looked like a racing accident to me
That's shit news! Sagan is one of the most entertaining out there. I don't think he meant it, though if it was Cavendish I would probably have thought he meant it!
think it was a very harsh decision to disqualify sagan from the tour, dont think it was deliberate although it could be said it was an overly aggressive movement across cavendish that caused the crash. only he will know if he meant it or not.
dont think anyone would have argued with the original punishment of docked points and placed to last position on todays stage. hopefully cavendish is able to continue.
Cavendish out of tour de france... broken shoulder. Blow for the tour to lose him and sagan.
Deliberate. Overhead shot shows him firing the elbow out. Cav appeared to have his head riden over by whoever was behind him.
That's sprinting for you. Its a bit like hurling on bikes. Sagan should have been placed last on stage and given wrap over knuckles. Disqualified from race - no way.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 04, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
Deliberate. Overhead shot shows him firing the elbow out. Cav appeared to have his head riden over by whoever was behind him.
I thought that first too, but disagree completely now. You have to look at both the overhead and the front on, and there's a still shot from overhead that is actually misleading. When it's slowed down, its clear Sagan's elbow only comes out immediately after the collision. Cav is already on his way down and Sagan's elbow comes out to help himself balance. I think Cav was gone whether the elbow came out or not.
At least that's my view! The 30 sec penalty may have been justified for closing the door, but it seems extraordinarily harsh to kick him out.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2017, 11:43:32 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 04, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
Deliberate. Overhead shot shows him firing the elbow out. Cav appeared to have his head riden over by whoever was behind him.
I thought that first too, but disagree completely now. You have to look at both the overhead and the front on, and there's a still shot from overhead that is actually misleading. When it's slowed down, its clear Sagan's elbow only comes out immediately after the collision. Cav is already on his way down and Sagan's elbow comes out to help himself balance. I think Cav was gone whether the elbow came out or not.
At least that's my view! The 30 sec penalty may have been justified for closing the door, but it seems extraordinarily harsh to kick him out.
And he's not even from Dublin!
Shall look again. I thought the front on footage showed a bit of movement in the elbow but was fairly innocuous. I thought the overhead showed a clear elbow to Cav. Will check it out. Would agree that is harsh to DQ him but Cav is fucked so he'll not shed many tears over him.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
Shall look again. I thought the front on footage showed a bit of movement in the elbow but was fairly innocuous. I thought the overhead showed a clear elbow to Cav. Will check it out. Would agree that is harsh to DQ him but Cav is fucked so he'll not shed many tears over him.
TG4 just showed it there. I don't think there's any question that the elbow came out after Cav was already going down, so played no part in the fall. But he did veer over towards Cav in the first place.
From the overhead angle, it looks like the elbow is designed to make sure Cav stays down, so it does look really bad at first glance. But as I said, it was a split second after the event, and from the front angle I believe the elbow only went out as a balancing act.
This lad reckons Sagan did no wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297Td7TwkG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297Td7TwkG4)
Brillant ride by dan martin today, a stage win is surely not to far away.
4th overall! Could be interesting. I remember getting excited watching Sean Kelly hold steady in the top ten, until he broke his collarbone. I think that was about 88 or 89ish...
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 06, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
4th overall! Could be interesting. I remember getting excited watching Sean Kelly hold steady in the top ten, until he broke his collarbone. I think that was about 88 or 89ish...
Think the Kelly crash was 87 the year of Roches triple crown.
Quote from: maddog on July 06, 2017, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 06, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
4th overall! Could be interesting. I remember getting excited watching Sean Kelly hold steady in the top ten, until he broke his collarbone. I think that was about 88 or 89ish...
Think the Kelly crash was 87 the year of Roches drug assistedtriple crown.
Fixed that up for you there, no bother at all.
Froome just the type to hang on to Paris in two weeks. Best rider in the best team.
Holy f&*$
I used to watch this guy on the Tour de France
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40529614 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40529614)
f**king hell !!
I remember reading this book in New York in 2009
https://www.amazon.com.au/Search-Robert-Millar-Unravelling-ebook/dp/B002RI9ZYA (https://www.amazon.com.au/Search-Robert-Millar-Unravelling-ebook/dp/B002RI9ZYA)
The only reason I bought it is because I remembered watching him on Ch 4 and wanted something different to read.
Ah well as long as he's happy I suppose.
worlds couped.
ah good luck to him/her. just weird seeing them. thon frank Maloney also
Quote from: Orior on July 07, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Holy f&*$
I used to watch this guy on the Tour de France
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40529614 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40529614)
:o With cycling's reputation its kinda hard not to be suspicious about the root cause... would say that could be B to K Jenner's key factor also.
Gruelling stage today. Porte and Thomas's tours are over through injury after crashes. Dan Martin extremely unlucky to get caught up in the Porte crash and lost time on the yellow jersey. Bad form from Aru attacking when Froome had the mechanical. Photo finish at the end. The stage had everything.
Should they not have waited for Dan?
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 09, 2017, 08:10:01 PM
Should they not have waited for Dan?
No chance, the race was on at that point and there was no way that group could have slowed to wait for Dan and also give the chance for the likes of quintana to rejoin.
Was great stage though its froome's to lose now. Quintana was disappointing and probably still has the giro in his legs. Aru may be able to challenge but can't see it tbh
Just seen the highlights show, brutal brutal stage but had me glued to my screen. Hope bardet has something to offer in coming few weeks. Definitely a chink in sky's armour today and losing Thomas will cost them further down The tour. I've turned from a pro sky fan to anti sky nearly as much as my anti Stephen Hendry stage. Poor Jimmy.......
Some close sprint finishes with Cavendish gone.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 10, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Some close sprint finishes with Cavendish gone.
I think the sprints would be even closer with Cavendish and Sagan involved. Kittel seems to be that bit stronger than Greipel, Demare etc. so far. Should see another sprint finish today.
Seriously tough stage today especially that last couple of km. Not too often you see froome crack like that on a stage in the tour de france. Another great ride by dan martin showing that he deserves to be talked about as a serious GC rider.
Sky tactics worked in breaking down the field but worked against them as they carried Bardet and Aru to the end.
Landa was some machine working at the front all day and finishing ahead of Froome.
Tomorrow will be the real test for all of them as it is a second day in the mountains after such a tough run today.
Bonus seconds are a funny concept, esp today when the top guys have all made it up the mountain.
Froome was still in the tv background as Aru & co passed the line, he ain't finished yet.
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 13, 2017, 09:19:31 PM
Seriously tough stage today especially that last couple of km. Not too often you see froome crack like that on a stage in the tour de france. Another great ride by dan martin showing that he deserves to be talked about as a serious GC rider.
Hanging in there at 5th overall, down 1'40". Would be interesting to see how he'd have done on that wall of a finish if he wasn't injured.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2017, 11:15:29 PM
Bonus seconds are a funny concept, esp today when the top guys have all made it up the mountain.
Froome was still in the tv background as Aru & co passed the line, he ain't finished yet.
Sure he was at the front at 300m to go and still with them till about 200 he lost most of the time in the last 100. Im sure hes glad there wasnt another 500
That is a tough day at the office. :o
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/jwOlItRioD4rR9lRDd4qMw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NzM1/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/f61e55993587072b59f5ec599d76ff78)
That pic is crying our for a bit of editing e.g. adding a tiny willy
Today should be a big moving day. I'd be backing froome or Bardet to win. Climb the Galibier and then a descent to the finish. Should suit both of them. Maybe they will let a breakaway build a big lead if there is noone of note in it. We will see however if Bardet has any ambitions of winning he has to attack today and tomorrow to gain some kind of cushion before the TT. Shame about Dan Martin yesterday. Bit of sickness throughout the team and got caught out by the crosswinds.
Quote from: maddog on July 19, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Today should be a big moving day. I'd be backing froome or Bardet to win. Climb the Galibier and then a descent to the finish. Should suit both of them. Maybe they will let a breakaway build a big lead if there is noone of note in it. We will see however if Bardet has any ambitions of winning he has to attack today and tomorrow to gain some kind of cushion before the TT. Shame about Dan Martin yesterday. Bit of sickness throughout the team and got caught out by the crosswinds.
Why was the whole team helping the green jersey though? Surely Martin should have been closer to the front at least.
Have Bardet backed at 20/1 so hopefully he can lead over the top of the Galibier and gain some time on the decent.
Bertie's giving it a lash today. Looks a great stage, chose the wrong day to return to work after holidays :-[
Pinot abandons
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 19, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 19, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Today should be a big moving day. I'd be backing froome or Bardet to win. Climb the Galibier and then a descent to the finish. Should suit both of them. Maybe they will let a breakaway build a big lead if there is noone of note in it. We will see however if Bardet has any ambitions of winning he has to attack today and tomorrow to gain some kind of cushion before the TT. Shame about Dan Martin yesterday. Bit of sickness throughout the team and got caught out by the crosswinds.
Why was the whole team helping the green jersey though? Surely Martin should have been closer to the front at least.
Interesting listening to Boardman last night he thought it was the right call. The Green jersey is something tangible to win / protect. Martin's best chance is (was) Top 3 at very best. So they were playing the percentages; irony now being that Kittel has a savage fight on his hands for green from Matthews. It also could've just been an on the hoof balls up.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 19, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 19, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 19, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Today should be a big moving day. I'd be backing froome or Bardet to win. Climb the Galibier and then a descent to the finish. Should suit both of them. Maybe they will let a breakaway build a big lead if there is noone of note in it. We will see however if Bardet has any ambitions of winning he has to attack today and tomorrow to gain some kind of cushion before the TT. Shame about Dan Martin yesterday. Bit of sickness throughout the team and got caught out by the crosswinds.
Why was the whole team helping the green jersey though? Surely Martin should have been closer to the front at least.
Interesting listening to Boardman last night he thought it was the right call. The Green jersey is something tangible to win / protect. Martin's best chance is (was) Top 3 at very best. So they were playing the percentages; irony now being that Kittel has a savage fight on his hands for green from Matthews. It also could've just been an on the hoof balls up.
Kittel has just abandoned.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 19, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 19, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 19, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 19, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Today should be a big moving day. I'd be backing froome or Bardet to win. Climb the Galibier and then a descent to the finish. Should suit both of them. Maybe they will let a breakaway build a big lead if there is noone of note in it. We will see however if Bardet has any ambitions of winning he has to attack today and tomorrow to gain some kind of cushion before the TT. Shame about Dan Martin yesterday. Bit of sickness throughout the team and got caught out by the crosswinds.
Why was the whole team helping the green jersey though? Surely Martin should have been closer to the front at least.
Interesting listening to Boardman last night he thought it was the right call. The Green jersey is something tangible to win / protect. Martin's best chance is (was) Top 3 at very best. So they were playing the percentages; irony now being that Kittel has a savage fight on his hands for green from Matthews. It also could've just been an on the hoof balls up.
Kittel has just abandoned.
Even before the abandonment I thought it was the wrong call.
Percentage playing going badly wrong there then.
Once again, SBS Australia steps up to the mark and has live footage of every stage from start to finish. Great stuff. The cricket fans don't get it, but I tell them it's like a role reversal.
Eventhough I missed a fair chunk when on holidays it's been the best Tour in a right few years as well.