Should An Glenn object?

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/01/kilmacud-mull-over-gaa-decision-to-order-a-replay-of-final/

"It is believed there are differing opinions within the Stillorgan club as to what move they should make next. An appeal to the CAC is unlikely to prove successful and so it would be more a means to an end as regards Crokes navigating through the GAA's disciplinary process to arrive at the Disputes Resolution Authority.

The CAC rules largely on procedural grounds and the GAA's Official Guide states appeals shall only be upheld where: '(i) there has been a clear infringement or misapplication of Rule by the Decision-Maker or (ii) the Appellant's right to a fair hearing has otherwise been compromised to such extent that a clear injustice has occurred.'"

[twohands!!!]

How many GAA finals have an asterisk beside them? I know Mayo people are sore about the 1925 all Ireland. They were the 1925 Connacht champions but Galway were the 1925 all Ireland champions...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_Final

There was no All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final in 1925. The 1925 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship ended in chaos, with first Mayo, and then Galway being proclaimed champions after Kerry and Cavan were disqualified. Instead, a new inter-provincial tournament was organised by the GAA Central Council, of which the final was played between Galway and Cavan on 10 January 1926.

Some book about the founding and early days of the GAA, I read a few years back had a good bit on disputes and finals and stuff decided in committee meetings on rules. Can't remember the specifics off-hand but there was a right chunk of the early championships that could have different results based on what was decided in committee meetings. It's pretty much one of the longest running traditions of the Association at this stage.

[J70]

How many GAA finals have an asterisk beside them? I know Mayo people are sore about the 1925 all Ireland. They were the 1925 Connacht champions but Galway were the 1925 all Ireland champions...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_Final

There was no All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final in 1925. The 1925 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship ended in chaos, with first Mayo, and then Galway being proclaimed champions after Kerry and Cavan were disqualified. Instead, a new inter-provincial tournament was organised by the GAA Central Council, of which the final was played between Galway and Cavan on 10 January 1926.

Some book about the founding and early days of the GAA, I read a few years back had a good bit on disputes and finals and stuff decided in committee meetings on rules. Can't remember the specifics off-hand but there was a right chunk of the early championships that could have different results based on what was decided in committee meetings. It's pretty much one of the longest running traditions of the Association at this stage.

So no prospect of the GAA getting its shit together with respect to rules and regulations any time soon then?

[Milltown Row2]

How many GAA finals have an asterisk beside them? I know Mayo people are sore about the 1925 all Ireland. They were the 1925 Connacht champions but Galway were the 1925 all Ireland champions...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_Final

There was no All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final in 1925. The 1925 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship ended in chaos, with first Mayo, and then Galway being proclaimed champions after Kerry and Cavan were disqualified. Instead, a new inter-provincial tournament was organised by the GAA Central Council, of which the final was played between Galway and Cavan on 10 January 1926.

Some book about the founding and early days of the GAA, I read a few years back had a good bit on disputes and finals and stuff decided in committee meetings on rules. Can't remember the specifics off-hand but there was a right chunk of the early championships that could have different results based on what was decided in committee meetings. It's pretty much one of the longest running traditions of the Association at this stage.

So no prospect of the GAA getting its shit together with respect to rules and regulations any time soon then?

These things take time!!

[J70]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/01/kilmacud-mull-over-gaa-decision-to-order-a-replay-of-final/

Anatomy of a controversy
(Three minutes of added time were announced for the end of the game. The following timelines are taken from TG4′s live coverage)
61:39 – As Glen goalkeeper Connlan Bradley prepares to take his kickout, a wide camera angle shows two Kilmacud subs on the sideline waiting to be introduced.
62:09 – Conor Ferris makes a brilliant save from a Conor Glass shot, the Kilmacud goalkeeper steering the ball behind for a 45.
62:44 – As Danny Tallon prepares to take the resulting 45, he is alerted to Kilmacud substitutions by a linesman standing on the 45-metre line, with his flag raised. Tallon looks over towards the Hogan Stand sideline, from where the players are emerging.
62:52 – The camera shows sub Tom Fox, wearing 10, entering the fray and running towards the Kilmacud goal. The graphic says Fox is replacing Mannion.
63:03 – Camera switches to Mannion, who is close to goal. As Fox jogs by him, Mannion initially looks confused. He turns and appears to look up at the big screen.
63:07 – Mannion, realising he was being replaced, starts jogging away from goal.
63:09 – Camera changes to sub Conor Casey, wearing 19, entering the pitch and running towards the Kilmacud goal. The graphic says Casey is replacing Dara Mullin.
63:14 – Casey arrives in the large square and goes to take up a central position. He quickly turns around to face the ball just as the whistle goes for play to resume.
63:17 – Referee Derek O'Mahoney blows his whistle for Tallon to take the 45. Tallon goes short to McGuckian. When the kick is taken, Mannion is still on the field but standing out near the sideline.
McGuckian fires in a low shot from the 20m line, which bounces just wide of the left post. The ball whizzes by Fox, who is standing on the edge of the small parallelogram. Mullin is one of three Kilmacud players standing on the goal-line, along with Theo Clancy and Cillian O'Shea, as the ball goes wide. Both Fox and Mullin start jogging out the field with the rest of the players to prepare for the kickout.
63:47 – Having seemingly been made aware that Crokes have too many players on the field, O'Mahoney holds his right hand aloft and delays Ferris from taking the kickout as he orders Mullin off the field. Mullin, by that stage between the 45m and 65m lines, starts making his way over towards the sideline. Using the TG4 timeline, Mullin was on the field erroneously for 38 seconds – though there would have been a few seconds either side of when the camera focused on him going off and Casey going on.
63:58 – The referee watches Mullin make his way to the sideline before taking down his hand. He then blows the whistle for the kickout to proceed.
64:05 – The final whistle is blown.

[Armagh18]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

I think thats how they are meant to happen bar injury the player leaves at nearest point

[yellowcard]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

I believe that is exactly what Kilmacud would have wanted when they made those substitutes. Slow walk off a la soccer with 30 seconds wasted while the substituted player reaches the sideline. It was a time wasting exercise designed to allow them to reset and get back into formation. We need to decide if that is what we want because teams will simply use this to their advantage to run down the clock and reorganise before a free kick.

I personally wouldn't want to see this but if it does get introduced it needs to be in conjunction with a stop clock which imo is long overdue in the game anyway to eradicate blatant time wasting particularly during black card periods and in the latter stages of matches. 

[Cavan19]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

I believe that is exactly what Kilmacud would have wanted when they made those substitutes. Slow walk off a la soccer with 30 seconds wasted while the substituted player reaches the sideline. It was a time wasting exercise designed to allow them to reset and get back into formation. We need to decide if that is what we want because teams will simply use this to their advantage to run down the clock and reorganise before a free kick.

I personally wouldn't want to see this but if it does get introduced it needs to be in conjunction with a stop clock which imo is long overdue in the game anyway to eradicate blatant time wasting particularly during black card periods and in the latter stages of matches.

They may go back to the 3 subs rule.

[seafoid]

 Multiple subs at the fag end of matches is gamesmanship aka shithousery.

[Hound]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

I believe that is exactly what Kilmacud would have wanted when they made those substitutes. Slow walk off a la soccer with 30 seconds wasted while the substituted player reaches the sideline. It was a time wasting exercise designed to allow them to reset and get back into formation. We need to decide if that is what we want because teams will simply use this to their advantage to run down the clock and reorganise before a free kick.

I personally wouldn't want to see this but if it does get introduced it needs to be in conjunction with a stop clock which imo is long overdue in the game anyway to eradicate blatant time wasting particularly during black card periods and in the latter stages of matches.

But any competent ref will add on the time for the substitution. We don't have a 30 second rule, like in soccer, instead the time it takes is added back. Very simple. It doesn't need a stop clock, just a ref who's not incompetent.

A stop clock also won't stop people time wasting during a black card. That needs a rule change (or clarification). 

The one thing a public stop clock might help is people's understanding of the rules. If you ever watched a ladies football game, the clock still runs when the ball is out of play and someone is preparing a goal kick or free or sideline. The clock keeps going when someone is getting carded. The clock stops for injuries of course and the ref can signal for the clock to stop for what he perceives is deliberate time wasting, but rare enough this happens. 

[Milltown Row2]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

Already in the rules and the procedure is adhered to 99% of the time. Injured players can leave at the nearest point.. But KC should have made sure the ref's and 4th official carried out their procedure that they are meant to have carried out

[Armagh18]

Forgive me if its already been discussed (I haven't read all of the thread), but is there any reason why the GAA can't do substitutions the way they do them in soccer?

At the halfway point on the sideline, players come off before substitute goes on. Ref or linesman oversees it?

I believe that is exactly what Kilmacud would have wanted when they made those substitutes. Slow walk off a la soccer with 30 seconds wasted while the substituted player reaches the sideline. It was a time wasting exercise designed to allow them to reset and get back into formation. We need to decide if that is what we want because teams will simply use this to their advantage to run down the clock and reorganise before a free kick.

I personally wouldn't want to see this but if it does get introduced it needs to be in conjunction with a stop clock which imo is long overdue in the game anyway to eradicate blatant time wasting particularly during black card periods and in the latter stages of matches.

But any competent ref will add on the time for the substitution. We don't have a 30 second rule, like in soccer, instead the time it takes is added back. Very simple. It doesn't need a stop clock, just a ref who's not incompetent.

A stop clock also won't stop people time wasting during a black card. That needs a rule change (or clarification). 

The one thing a public stop clock might help is people's understanding of the rules. If you ever watched a ladies football game, the clock still runs when the ball is out of play and someone is preparing a goal kick or free or sideline. The clock keeps going when someone is getting carded. The clock stops for injuries of course and the ref can signal for the clock to stop for what he perceives is deliberate time wasting, but rare enough this happens.

Where do ya get them?

[Hound]

Interesting one from 2015. Soccerball. England U19 women v Norway!

Norway 2-1 up and deep into injury England are awarded a penalty.
Penalty scored, but an English player encroached into the area.
Goal correctly disallowed - however, the game should have been re-started with a retaken penalty, but instead the ref awarded a free out to Norway and match ended 2-1.

While not exactly covered in the rules, the "Uefa Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body" decided the fairest thing was to play the remaining time again.
So the same players returned to the pitch (with a different ref!) 5 days later. The penalty was re-taken (and scored) and final 18 seconds were then played, with no more goals, so finished 2-2.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/09/england-women-u19-replay-norway-referee-penalty-howler

Of course, we are very reluctant to follow soccer, no matter how sensible. When Maurice Deegan was on Newstalk earlier in the week, he was asked should we just copy soccer rules for subs? He said we should follow American Football rules for subs! We wasn't even sure what the NFL rules are, but just didn't want to say copy soccer!

[seafoid]

Certain commentators eg Declan Bogue
https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/otb-gaa-on-off-the-ball/declan-bogue-no-glen-crokes-replay-likely-no-cup-in-a-taxi-and-no-satisfactory-solution
think there will be no replay.

Surely the calculations of KC change with the recent decision. The CCCC ignored KC's arguments and focused on the rules. 
What is in KC's  best interest now given that their arguments were holed under the water ?