Should An Glenn object?

[jmcgdoire]

Shane Walsh supposedly in Australia.

If it had finished level, was the plan for extra-time and penalties, or a replay?

extra time I believe.

[seafoid]

Expected submissions

KC  - 90 minutes :

Anti Dublin bias
Hundreds of matches have extra players
The players can't give any more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat1Hc9SNwE&t=113s
It's the ref's fault
It didn't change the result
It was only 30 seconds
He didn't touch the ball
We won the match, bud

Watty Grahams- 1 minute

The Rules stipulate 15 players

Will Bronagh be delivering the submission ?

[Milltown Row2]

Expected submissions

KC  - 90 minutes :

Anti Dublin bias
Hundreds of matches have extra players
The players can't give any more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat1Hc9SNwE&t=113s
It's the ref's fault
It didn't change the result
It was only 30 seconds
He didn't touch the ball
We won the match, bud

Watty Grahams- 1 minute

The Rules stipulate 15 players

Will Bronagh be delivering the submission ?

Either way you'll have the popcorn, tissues and hand gel at the ready!!

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/30/kilmacud-and-glen-to-be-informed-of-cccc-decision-on-tuesday/

GAA disciplinary officials will inform Kilmacud Crokes and Glen on Tuesday of their proposal regarding the fate of the controversial All-Ireland club senior football final.

A meeting of the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) and representatives of both clubs took place at Croke Park on Monday night.

The CCCC listened to all sides but did not give a decision on the night, instead telling the clubs they would return on Tuesday having considered all the points raised at the summit.

[Wildweasel74]

Clocking up the odd mileage expenses there.

[Main Street]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

why is the fine out of the question? the rule mentions 'circumstances .   if Glen knew there was 16, why take the 45, why not wait until the ref did his job. the players didnt know there was the extra man. it didn't  figured into the decision of the 45 to go short or the shot to go where it did IMO... I think fine is likely, maybe after some DRA involvement.

[seafoid]

If Crokes admit that keeping Mullin on was deliberate a replay would be generous.

[Main Street]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

why is the fine out of the question? the rule mentions 'circumstances . 

Crokes did nothing wrong, therefore there is no cause to fine them.

if Glen knew there was 16, why take the 45, why not wait until the ref did his job. the players didnt know there was the extra man. it didn't  figured into the decision of the 45 to go short or the shot to go where it did IMO... I think fine is likely, maybe after some DRA involvement.

'If'   is where your flight of fancy falls apart.   

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

why is the fine out of the question? the rule mentions 'circumstances . 

Crokes did nothing wrong, therefore there is no cause to fine them.

if Glen knew there was 16, why take the 45, why not wait until the ref did his job. the players didnt know there was the extra man. it didn't  figured into the decision of the 45 to go short or the shot to go where it did IMO... I think fine is likely, maybe after some DRA involvement.

'If'   is where your flight of fancy falls apart.

if they did nothing wrong there is no cause for a replay or forfeit either but the rules require 1 so I think it will be a fine.

why would Glen disadvantage themselves and knowingly play against 16?

[Gold]

If this was 1st round of the Championship it would be replayed, no issue

Difficulty is it was a final, people feel shit for KC losing the cup and having to replay. Asterisk beside the win forever more  no matter what happens

But the MAJOR thing that is constantly overlooked is this....Glen were 6 to 1 up....a penalty was given for a debatable foul.....but whether it was or it wasn't.. if was DEFO OUTSIDE THE BOX

That is the biggest and totally forgotten about scandal

[PadraicHenryPearse]

If this was 1st round of the Championship it would be replayed, no issue

Difficulty is it was a final, people feel shit for KC losing the cup and having to replay. Asterisk beside the win forever more  no matter what happens

But the MAJOR thing that is constantly overlooked is this....Glen were 6 to 1 up....a penalty was given for a debatable foul.....but whether it was or it wasn't.. if was DEFO OUTSIDE THE BOX

That is the biggest and totally forgotten about scandal

another reffing error, I think scandal is a bit much though... that is a more common reffing issue then not making sure the subs happen correctly.

[Ulster Frank]

Looking forward to replay. Saturday week in Croke Park. Did I hear Shane Walsh is gone travelling?

[lenny]

If this was 1st round of the Championship it would be replayed, no issue

Difficulty is it was a final, people feel shit for KC losing the cup and having to replay. Asterisk beside the win forever more  no matter what happens

But the MAJOR thing that is constantly overlooked is this....Glen were 6 to 1 up....a penalty was given for a debatable foul.....but whether it was or it wasn't.. if was DEFO OUTSIDE THE BOX

That is the biggest and totally forgotten about scandal

In your head only and a few others on here. The record books will show they won and that's all that matters for the vast majority. Jealousy and bitterness against Walsh and the Dubs might make you put an asterisk there but a small minority will view it like that.

[Hound]

The question going forward is do we start replaying games when there are faults made by officials? More serious ones that this happen all the time.

The issue here is that the rule book actually covers what happened with penalties stipulated. There is nothing to say there will be penalties if a ref doesn't give a penalty when he should or sends someone off wrongly etc.

It is irrelevant that Crokes did nothing wrong, the rule is clear about having only 15 players on the pitch, nevertheless the CCC have to examine the circumstances of that extra man being on the pitch. IMO it's clear enough that Glenn were disadvantaged by having to play against 16 players in that last play, however marginal that disadvantage

It's a proven fact that  Crokes had 16 players, the circumstance of that only allow for 3 penalties,  whether Crokes forfeit the game, a replay or a fine.  Imo the fine is out of the question therefore it's likely a replay  more than a forfeiture.

why is the fine out of the question? the rule mentions 'circumstances .   if Glen knew there was 16, why take the 45, why not wait until the ref did his job. the players didnt know there was the extra man. it didn't  figured into the decision of the 45 to go short or the shot to go where it did IMO... I think fine is likely, maybe after some DRA involvement.

Good point. If you accept for the sake of argument that Crokes did wrong (which as MR2 has explained and I agreed with, I don't accept, as I don't see anything they could have done differently to alert the player standing on the line that he was being taken off, given how quick the ref allowed the re-start)

But if you do, then the punishment depends on the "circumstances". So given the actual circumstances, is it possible to work out what was the most likely outcome?

Either the lads remaining on the line would have stood a little further away from each other to cover the gap left by Mullin, or more likely, an extra body would have dropped back, leaving one fewer body out the field.

The 45 was played short. It's reasonably clear that the 45 would have been taken short had Kilmacud only 15 men.  Either Kilmacud would have had the same men in the same positions out the field, or one less man out there, either way a reasonable person would conclude the most likely scenario is the tactic would not have changed.

When the recipient received the ball, two Glen players immediately entered the square. The full back on the near side and another player on the far side. Hard to know why they did this, but not unusual in the heat of the moment, and really no reason they would do anything differently in the revised scenario.

Therefore, "in the circumstances", it was pretty much impossible for Glen to score a legal goal.