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AI club final controversy

Yes - Typical Dubs up to no good as usual
30 (19.1%)
No - Typical Nordies causing mischief as usual
21 (13.4%)
Should not have to. GAA HQ should already have called a replay
106 (67.5%)

Total Members Voted: 157

Voting closed: January 26, 2023, 11:37:12 AM

Author Topic: Should An Glenn object?  (Read 31788 times)

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #285 on: January 25, 2023, 05:25:29 PM »
Anyways, lets see how KC approach this when given their options by Croke, we need to take away the ambiguity of the rules, they are so open to 'abuse' they ain't clear cut and the process of appeals seems flawed also.

Westbound, KC didn't send on 16 or 17 players they started each half with 15 and made subs during that time, the process of games being restarted after a sub was made wasn't adhered to, that wasn't KC's fault, we are talking about 30 seconds or so, there was a mistake, no doubt unwittingly by some official and this is what we have.
KC management also made a mistake in ensuring that the FF didn't leave the pitch. You can't blame everything on the officials.

It's a balls up by the officials. How do KC get any sort of message onto the field in the madness of the closing stages of the game. Either Tallon took the 45 too quick or the ref didn't hold play up to facilitate the sub. Either way blaming this solely on KC is ridiculous.
It's a small referring error, it happens in nearly every game. Glen ought to get over it. They wouldn't have won had they played on until Monday. Joe and his band of goons on twitter would want to move onto the next issue that they want to batter the GAA with.

Don't think many are solely blaming kc however they choose to send 2 players on injury time to waste time so they have to accept a large part of the responsibility. Hopefully the gaa will do something about running on subs to waste time but I doubt it. They really are useless at addressing aspects of the game which actually need addressed.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #286 on: January 25, 2023, 05:27:15 PM »
The GAA need a faster process for high profile advanced shithousery that goes beyond the authority of the ref such as destroying goalposts, reducing pitch size and playing more than 15 players . It's Wednesday evening and there is still a void where there should be clarity. Rules are about compliance. There have to be defined processes for non compliance for all Ireland finals.
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #287 on: January 25, 2023, 05:35:03 PM »
Anyways, lets see how KC approach this when given their options by Croke, we need to take away the ambiguity of the rules, they are so open to 'abuse' they ain't clear cut and the process of appeals seems flawed also.

Westbound, KC didn't send on 16 or 17 players they started each half with 15 and made subs during that time, the process of games being restarted after a sub was made wasn't adhered to, that wasn't KC's fault, we are talking about 30 seconds or so, there was a mistake, no doubt unwittingly by some official and this is what we have.
KC management also made a mistake in ensuring that the FF didn't leave the pitch. You can't blame everything on the officials.
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It's a balls up by the officials. How do KC get any sort of message onto the field in the madness of the closing stages of the game. Either Tallon took the 45 too quick or the ref didn't hold play up to facilitate the sub. Either way blaming this solely on KC is ridiculous.
It's a small referring error, it happens in nearly every game. Glen ought to get over it. They wouldn't have won had they played on until Monday. Joe and his band of goons on twitter would want to move onto the next issue that they want to batter the GAA with.
Number of players is not a refereeing error. It's rule 6.44 which doesn't mention how many seconds.
And it was a one score game at the time. It doesn't take 30 seconds to score a goal
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #288 on: January 25, 2023, 05:47:33 PM »
Has anyone questioned what the many officials was at to allow the game re-start with the too many Kilmacud Crokes players on the field? Those officials won't or shouldn't be getting another All-Ireland final anytime soon.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #289 on: January 25, 2023, 06:34:34 PM »
Has anyone questioned what the many officials was at to allow the game re-start with the too many Kilmacud Crokes players on the field? Those officials won't or shouldn't be getting another All-Ireland final anytime soon.
It can and does happen. It was very chaotic at the time and the onus (rightly or wrongly) is on the teams to get their subs off.
But for what happened afterwards, being informed of the error and just ignoring it and blowing up the game, for experienced officials in a game of such magnitude, it most definitely should be a huge blot on the copy book.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #290 on: January 25, 2023, 06:38:34 PM »
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #291 on: January 25, 2023, 06:39:06 PM »
The more this goes on the more I think KC will be awarded the title with no sanction at all. They did everything by the book. They sent the subs to the sideline to go on and it was the fault of the officials who didnít ensure 2 players left the field first. The ref seems to have been aware that the players hadnít left the field but allowed Glen the quick 45 and they almost got a goal from it. Immediately after the 45 the ref ensured the player went off. This rule is intended for teams who try to sneak players on without going through the correct procedures.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #292 on: January 25, 2023, 06:55:54 PM »
Has anyone questioned what the many officials was at to allow the game re-start with the too many Kilmacud Crokes players on the field? Those officials won't or shouldn't be getting another All-Ireland final anytime soon.
It can and does happen. It was very chaotic at the time and the onus (rightly or wrongly) is on the teams to get their subs off.
But for what happened afterwards, being informed of the error and just ignoring it and blowing up the game, for experienced officials in a game of such magnitude, it most definitely should be a huge blot on the copy book.
But then again if the ref blows his whistle and stops the quick forty-five because a substitution is still in progress thereíd be a crying session as well. They canít win sometimes. Itís easy being an expert on it with the benefit of hindsight.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #293 on: January 25, 2023, 07:01:34 PM »
Has anyone questioned what the many officials was at to allow the game re-start with the too many Kilmacud Crokes players on the field? Those officials won't or shouldn't be getting another All-Ireland final anytime soon.
It can and does happen. It was very chaotic at the time and the onus (rightly or wrongly) is on the teams to get their subs off.
But for what happened afterwards, being informed of the error and just ignoring it and blowing up the game, for experienced officials in a game of such magnitude, it most definitely should be a huge blot on the copy book.
But then again if the ref blows his whistle and stops the quick forty-five because a substitution is still in progress thereíd be a crying session as well. They canít win sometimes. Itís easy being an expert on it with the benefit of hindsight.

I think that was the intention of Kilmacud, to run down the clock by using the subs as a time wasting mechanism. It's just one reason why the stop clock is badly needed so that managers can't simply use substitutes with the intention of eating into the time left. Then additional time at the end of matches becomes irrelevant since the clock is counting downwards not upwards.   

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #294 on: January 25, 2023, 07:02:35 PM »
Stopping the 45 till the subbed players left the pitch would be the 100% by the Rule thing to do. And add on the requisite amount of  time too.
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #295 on: January 25, 2023, 07:06:22 PM »
Anyways, lets see how KC approach this when given their options by Croke, we need to take away the ambiguity of the rules, they are so open to 'abuse' they ain't clear cut and the process of appeals seems flawed also.

Westbound, KC didn't send on 16 or 17 players they started each half with 15 and made subs during that time, the process of games being restarted after a sub was made wasn't adhered to, that wasn't KC's fault, we are talking about 30 seconds or so, there was a mistake, no doubt unwittingly by some official and this is what we have.
KC management also made a mistake in ensuring that the FF didn't leave the pitch. You can't blame everything on the officials.

By the rules what did KC do wrong? Btw Iím blaming the timing the occasion the hype of those last 30 seconds, Iíve managed our seniors in All Ireland semi and club final at Croke, itís a hazy crazy period when your team is in the melting pot like my semi final was!

Also you really need to lie down and rest your head! Youíve literally lost the run of yourself lately  ;D
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #296 on: January 25, 2023, 07:16:09 PM »
Anyways, lets see how KC approach this when given their options by Croke, we need to take away the ambiguity of the rules, they are so open to 'abuse' they ain't clear cut and the process of appeals seems flawed also.

Westbound, KC didn't send on 16 or 17 players they started each half with 15 and made subs during that time, the process of games being restarted after a sub was made wasn't adhered to, that wasn't KC's fault, we are talking about 30 seconds or so, there was a mistake, no doubt unwittingly by some official and this is what we have.
KC management also made a mistake in ensuring that the FF didn't leave the pitch. You can't blame everything on the officials.

By the rules what did KC do wrong? Btw Iím blaming the timing the occasion the hype of those last 30 seconds, Iíve managed our seniors in All Ireland semi and club final at Croke, itís a hazy crazy period when your team is in the melting pot like my semi final was!

Also you really need to lie down and rest your head! Youíve literally lost the run of yourself lately  ;D
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KC had 16 players on the pitch during a key play. The match will probably be replayed.
Something was definitely wrong . Mullin is probably a great bunch of lads but what was he doing on the goal line ?
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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #297 on: January 25, 2023, 07:19:42 PM »
Has anyone questioned what the many officials was at to allow the game re-start with the too many Kilmacud Crokes players on the field? Those officials won't or shouldn't be getting another All-Ireland final anytime soon.
It can and does happen. It was very chaotic at the time and the onus (rightly or wrongly) is on the teams to get their subs off.
But for what happened afterwards, being informed of the error and just ignoring it and blowing up the game, for experienced officials in a game of such magnitude, it most definitely should be a huge blot on the copy book.
But then again if the ref blows his whistle and stops the quick forty-five because a substitution is still in progress thereíd be a crying session as well. They canít win sometimes. Itís easy being an expert on it with the benefit of hindsight.
I don't know where this quick 45 is coming from. Some people trying to muddy the waters. There was 70 seconds between 45 being awarded and taken, loads of time for KC to have their subs in order so they are not innocent in the chaos that ensued. Had the 45 been stopped or retaken there would absolutely be no issue.
The issue is the 45 being allowed to stand with 16 on the field. Had Glenn scored a winning goal there would have been a shitstorm. They didn't so we have the different shitstorm we currently have.
So 45 absolutely should have been retaken and I'd even argue there should have been an additional play afterwards from the kickout if it resulted in a quick score or wide as the case was.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #298 on: January 25, 2023, 07:38:22 PM »
The more this goes on the more I think KC will be awarded the title with no sanction at all. They did everything by the book. They sent the subs to the sideline to go on and it was the fault of the officials who didnít ensure 2 players left the field first. The ref seems to have been aware that the players hadnít left the field but allowed Glen the quick 45 and they almost got a goal from it. Immediately after the 45 the ref ensured the player went off. This rule is intended for teams who try to sneak players on without going through the correct procedures.

It doesn't matter whether it's the officials fault or KC's fault, the main thing is a rule was broken, that's what determines a rematch not who's fault it was.

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Re: Should An Glenn object?
« Reply #299 on: January 25, 2023, 07:48:32 PM »
I wonder will this impact attendance levels at the Kilmacud Crokes Sevens later in the summer.
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