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johnnycool

Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.


Ash Smoker

Labour have morphed into an urban, ultra-woke party and will continue to lose the support of blue collar voters.

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.
Starmer was bought  by the Israeli lobby. The last thing Israel wants is a left wing Government.
Starmer was also bought by the plutocrats. The last thing they want is a left wing Government.

But it is inevitable.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ash Smoker

Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2021, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.
Starmer was bought  by the Israeli lobby. The last thing Israel wants is a left wing Government.
Starmer was also bought by the plutocrats. The last thing they want is a left wing Government.

But it is inevitable.

Inevitable?
A left wing government in Britain looks a million miles away right now.
Apart from Blair's New Labour, the party has been in the wilderness for most of the past 50 years.

Too many working class British people lap up the Tory propaganda from The Sun and other places.

Taylor

Quote from: Ash Smoker on May 07, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2021, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.
Starmer was bought  by the Israeli lobby. The last thing Israel wants is a left wing Government.
Starmer was also bought by the plutocrats. The last thing they want is a left wing Government.

But it is inevitable.

Inevitable?
A left wing government in Britain looks a million miles away right now.
Apart from Blair's New Labour, the party has been in the wilderness for most of the past 50 years.

Too many working class British people lap up the Tory propaganda from The Sun and other places.

So true.

Many get their news and opinions and 'knowledge' from these places and the likes of Facebook.

Hence Brexit - they were fed a load of nonsense and that was that

Angelo

What genuinely differentiates Starmer's Labour to the Tories.

Labour under Starmer are just a Diet Tory party, washed down Tory policies with a little more of a liberal touch but they'll do f**k all for the working class.

Corbyn and the left leaning element of Labour have lost out and should really break away at this point and set up a genuine leftist party. No doubt the media campaign against them would be fierce and relentless but it's needed.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

mouview

Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
What genuinely differentiates Starmer's Labour to the Tories.

Labour under Starmer are just a Diet Tory party, washed down Tory policies with a little more of a liberal touch but they'll do f**k all for the working class.

Corbyn and the left leaning element of Labour have lost out and should really break away at this point and set up a genuine leftist party. No doubt the media campaign against them would be fierce and relentless but it's needed.

Tories really do f**k all less for the working class, besides using them as a vehicle to further their own gains. You really don't know whether to feel pity or disdain for the working class in England, they appear to be so clueless that, as pointed out above, they take their informed opinions from the Sun and other rabid right-wing papers.

bennydorano

I got my new UK Global Health Insurance Card today, emblazoned with a big gaudy Union Jack.

Flegs...

armaghniac

This is the contempt that they have for the GFA, they could have produced a NI version without the Butcher's Apron.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

imtommygunn

It is laughable that the people fundamentally against the gfa are now trying to use it for their own good.

bennydorano

BBC News - Brexit negotiator says NI Protocol talks 'not hugely productive'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57147783

Been reading Tony Connolly's tweets all day, the vibe is - is this guy for real?

When he was appointed I said Frost will burn bridges everywhere and then resign, leaving someone else to clear up his mess. Still expect it.  Frost is fanning the flames of the situation he says they're trying to avoid.

seafoid

Quote from: Ash Smoker on May 07, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2021, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.
Starmer was bought  by the Israeli lobby. The last thing Israel wants is a left wing Government.
Starmer was also bought by the plutocrats. The last thing they want is a left wing Government.

But it is inevitable.

Inevitable?
A left wing government in Britain looks a million miles away right now.
Apart from Blair's New Labour, the party has been in the wilderness for most of the past 50 years.

Too many working class British people lap up the Tory propaganda from The Sun and other places.
The working class is split everywhere by means of culture war and polarisation.
Neoliberalism is dying . When it croaks things will get very interesting. The working class will be reunited via cultural organisations . In the past the job was done by the Boy Scouts and the GAA in Ireland . The rich will be taxed to their oxters. The left will run the transition.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on May 07, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2021, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 07, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 07, 2021, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm sure Hartlepool has had an MP in some shape or form for a lifetime but this constituency is only on the go since the 1970s.

They would have lost seat in the last election only the Brexit party refused to stand aside as they thought they'd a real chance, they did but split the vote and Labour got returned. The result is not unexpected no matter what the Tory press say, but it is a sad indictment of  the state (& perhaps decline) of the Labour Party and the continued rise of English Nationalism under the Tories. 

The continual bickering with the EU is a Tory tactic too, it keeps that Brexity conflict flame flickering.

Labour are effectively a centre right party now with a millionaire Sir as the leader.

Not much appeal there for working class voters, they are now just effectively Diet Tories under the leadership of Starmer.

Starmer's background is as working class as they come - father being a toolmaker. Worked hard and made a success of himself, an example to anyone from his upbringing. No comparison between he and the gilded, entitled, public-school attending Tory elite. Whatever his shortcomings are as a party leader, he comes across as a decent, conscientious politician, unlike the incompetent and mendacious charlatans now populating the Tories since BJ shunted the calm and level-headed Remainers from the party.

I too think he's decent and conscientious but he does seem a bit airy fairy on some topics and whilst he cuts Boris a new arsehole every PM's Questions he doesn't instill a fighting spirit within the party and evidently appeal to the working class masses.

The Pro Boris media treat him like the grey man that used to be the moniker of John Major.
Starmer was bought  by the Israeli lobby. The last thing Israel wants is a left wing Government.
Starmer was also bought by the plutocrats. The last thing they want is a left wing Government.

But it is inevitable.

Inevitable?
A left wing government in Britain looks a million miles away right now.
Apart from Blair's New Labour, the party has been in the wilderness for most of the past 50 years.

Too many working class British people lap up the Tory propaganda from The Sun and other places.
The working class is split everywhere by means of culture war and polarisation.
Neoliberalism is dying . When it croaks things will get very interesting. The working class will be reunited via cultural organisations . In the past the job was done by the Boy Scouts and the GAA in Ireland . The rich will be taxed to their oxters. The left will run the transition.

Thatchers greatest trick was to convince working class people that they weren't working class.

They were allowed to buy their council houses which then tied them into the mortgage and money markets, she then stopped building council houses and allowed private development to come in and build "developments" which again tied people into the money markets all centred on London.

Those people's wages have stagnated in real terms over the last few decades but they don't see themselves as working class yet they like a lot of us are only one or two wage packets away from defaulting on a mortgage..


Farrandeelin

Quote from: bennydorano on May 17, 2021, 05:19:28 PM
BBC News - Brexit negotiator says NI Protocol talks 'not hugely productive'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57147783

Been reading Tony Connolly's tweets all day, the vibe is - is this guy for real?

When he was appointed I said Frost will burn bridges everywhere and then resign, leaving someone else to clear up his mess. Still expect it.  Frost is fanning the flames of the situation he says they're trying to avoid.

Yea, I saw on the news last night that they might use force majeur to scrap it - something due to unforseen circumstances. I can't believe they didn't think of the consequences of NI seeing as they were on about 'our bowdahs' etc during the Withdrawal Agreement deal.
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johnnycool

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 19, 2021, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 17, 2021, 05:19:28 PM
BBC News - Brexit negotiator says NI Protocol talks 'not hugely productive'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57147783

Been reading Tony Connolly's tweets all day, the vibe is - is this guy for real?

When he was appointed I said Frost will burn bridges everywhere and then resign, leaving someone else to clear up his mess. Still expect it.  Frost is fanning the flames of the situation he says they're trying to avoid.

Yea, I saw on the news last night that they might use force majeur to scrap it - something due to unforseen circumstances. I can't believe they didn't think of the consequences of NI seeing as they were on about 'our bowdahs' etc during the Withdrawal Agreement deal.

Not being a legal expert is force majeur not some unforeseen event or "act of god".

The actual British negotiator is now saying the thing he and the UK parliament overwhelmingly agreed to and pushed it through has unintended consequences which everyone with a titter of wit has been talking about for years.

The elite educational institutions in England of Eton, Oxford and Cambridge really need to review their entrance criteria as some of their alumni aren't a good advertisement for them.