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ardtole

Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
5 points ahead of Labour in a Britain Elects survey today, unbelievable.

See the French threatening to cut power supplies to GB over fishing rights dispute, no doubt it's bluster and the Brexit w**ks would have a field day if it did happen, but I'd love to see it.

I wonder does Unionism look on atm and see the madness of GB and at least see SOME benefits of AI connections & integration, hopefully they are getting their eyes opened to the cretins & charlatans running the UK.
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Unfortunately I think it will take the chaos to hit the north, and directly affect everyone, nationalist and unionist, before a lot of them take their head out of the sand.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

red hander

Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
5 points ahead of Labour in a Britain Elects survey today, unbelievable.

See the French threatening to cut power supplies to GB over fishing rights dispute, no doubt it's bluster and the Brexit w**ks would have a field day if it did happen, but I'd love to see it.

I wonder does Unionism look on atm and see the madness of GB and at least see SOME benefits of AI connections & integration, hopefully they are getting their eyes opened to the cretins & charlatans running the UK.


Totally believable when you see who is leading Labour. Starmer has provided zero opposition to the Tories and has refused to highlight the bare-faced lies of Johnson. The guy is a bigger charlatan and spoofer than Johnson. This is a man who used his speech at the Labour conference to criticise lack of prosecutions for domestic violence and rapes. FFS, he was Director of Public Prosecutions for years, it was HIS job... Absolute bluffer.

tiempo

Quote from: red hander on October 06, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
5 points ahead of Labour in a Britain Elects survey today, unbelievable.

See the French threatening to cut power supplies to GB over fishing rights dispute, no doubt it's bluster and the Brexit w**ks would have a field day if it did happen, but I'd love to see it.

I wonder does Unionism look on atm and see the madness of GB and at least see SOME benefits of AI connections & integration, hopefully they are getting their eyes opened to the cretins & charlatans running the UK.


Totally believable when you see who is leading Labour. Starmer has provided zero opposition to the Tories and has refused to highlight the bare-faced lies of Johnson. The guy is a bigger charlatan and spoofer than Johnson. This is a man who used his speech at the Labour conference to criticise lack of prosecutions for domestic violence and rapes. FFS, he was Director of Public Prosecutions for years, it was HIS job... Absolute bluffer.

Surely an inside job, Starmer is a Tory/MI5 plant, last week he declared its not right to say only women have a cervix in his attempts to be mature and respectful around trans rights... the establishment has Britain sewn up there is no doubt about that. At the time of the miners strikes Roger Windsor, former NUM Chief Executive, was an MI5 agent sent into the union to destabilise it.

mouview

Quote from: red hander on October 06, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
5 points ahead of Labour in a Britain Elects survey today, unbelievable.

See the French threatening to cut power supplies to GB over fishing rights dispute, no doubt it's bluster and the Brexit w**ks would have a field day if it did happen, but I'd love to see it.

I wonder does Unionism look on atm and see the madness of GB and at least see SOME benefits of AI connections & integration, hopefully they are getting their eyes opened to the cretins & charlatans running the UK.


Totally believable when you see who is leading Labour. Starmer has provided zero opposition to the Tories and has refused to highlight the bare-faced lies of Johnson. The guy is a bigger charlatan and spoofer than Johnson. This is a man who used his speech at the Labour conference to criticise lack of prosecutions for domestic violence and rapes. FFS, he was Director of Public Prosecutions for years, it was HIS job... Absolute bluffer.

I've always had time for Starmer, he's always come across as decent and the kind who wants to do the right thing. His problem is that he felt compelled to back the Brexit deal last year, in case it was defeated, and plunged the nation into an even worse no-deal scenario. It's hard for him now to attack the Tories over Brexit as they can fire back at him that he supported it too. He really should have abstained. His bigger problem is trying to unite a divided party of hard left socialist Corbynistas and more centralist moderate factions. He really should tell the hard left to take a running jump, (who wants to be poor and left-wing?), and merge or come to an understanding with the Lib-Dems (and court the SNP also). About the only way they can defeat the Tories with their overwhelming majority and FPTP system currently.

Saying Starmer is a bigger charlatan and spoofer than BJ is just stupid.

bennydorano

Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

JoG2

Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

screenexile

Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

Labour won't get in until Brexit has disappeared.

They can't touch it because the country wanted to do it and it became such an emotive issue they can't admit they were wrong. The Tories delivered it so until it's no longer on the table people are going to stay loyal to it.

It's minimum 3-5 years before we can think about not talking about real and current Brexit difficulties. I think that's Labours only chance.

Starmer is right to get rid of the nutters!!

RedHand88

Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

Certainly don't have the Guardian, the Observer other outlets such as LBC in their corner. Left wing views have no issue being heard in media.

red hander

Quote from: screenexile on October 06, 2021, 10:56:06 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

Labour won't get in until Brexit has disappeared.

They can't touch it because the country wanted to do it and it became such an emotive issue they can't admit they were wrong. The Tories delivered it so until it's no longer on the table people are going to stay loyal to it.

It's minimum 3-5 years before we can think about not talking about real and current Brexit difficulties. I think that's Labours only chance.

Starmer is right to get rid of the nutters!!

The nutters? Cornyn wanted to nationise railways because how shit they have become, and Mail went ballistic. Tories are now bringing railways back into public ownership because of how shit they are. Labour are a joke, and have always been worst for nationalists than the Tories. Roy Mason anybody? Merlin Rees anybody? I despise the Tories with every fibre of my being, but I hate Labour even more. We need rid of these colonial bastards once and for all, and Brexit is giving us that opportunity. f**k all Brit politicians, whatever their ilk.

johnnycool

Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

You've a point alright with the media and everything in the last election in the UK was looked at through the prism of Brexit which Corbyn and indeed Starmer were weak on and dithery.
Corbyn was portrayed as a "terrorist" supporting, anti-Semitic, commie and you can even hear Boris rabbiting on in a similar vein yesterday yet overlook the misogyny, anti Muslim, pocket lining cronyism of the Tory's.

Has Starmer the wherewithal to overcome this, I don't think so. 

tiempo

Quote from: johnnycool on October 07, 2021, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

You've a point alright with the media and everything in the last election in the UK was looked at through the prism of Brexit which Corbyn and indeed Starmer were weak on and dithery.
Corbyn was portrayed as a "terrorist" supporting, anti-Semitic, commie and you can even hear Boris rabbiting on in a similar vein yesterday yet overlook the misogyny, anti Muslim, pocket lining cronyism of the Tory's.

Has Starmer the wherewithal to overcome this, I don't think so.

Starmer is a Tory mole, right out of the MI5 playbook.

Corbyn was a threat to the establishment, they eviscerated him on the grounds that he was a threat to the homogeneity of the establishment and status quo

Starmer offers no such threat, the Torys will do all they can to keep him in position for years

Someone said a few posts back that David Miliband needs to come back into the fray... what a sliding doors moment that was for British politics when his brother stabbed him in the back to take the leadership, unfortunately Ed was never going to succeed being something of a Milhouse Van Houten clone

seafoid

Quote from: tiempo on October 07, 2021, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 07, 2021, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

You've a point alright with the media and everything in the last election in the UK was looked at through the prism of Brexit which Corbyn and indeed Starmer were weak on and dithery.
Corbyn was portrayed as a "terrorist" supporting, anti-Semitic, commie and you can even hear Boris rabbiting on in a similar vein yesterday yet overlook the misogyny, anti Muslim, pocket lining cronyism of the Tory's.

Has Starmer the wherewithal to overcome this, I don't think so.

Starmer is a Tory mole, right out of the MI5 playbook.

Corbyn was a threat to the establishment, they eviscerated him on the grounds that he was a threat to the homogeneity of the establishment and status quo

Starmer offers no such threat, the Torys will do all they can to keep him in position for years

Someone said a few posts back that David Miliband needs to come back into the fray... what a sliding doors moment that was for British politics when his brother stabbed him in the back to take the leadership, unfortunately Ed was never going to succeed being something of a Milhouse Van Houten clone

Starmer is a neoliberal dog in the manger. His job is to prevent economic change.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1440983693636644864
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

APM

Quote from: seafoid on October 09, 2021, 04:23:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on October 07, 2021, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 07, 2021, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2021, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 06, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Large parts of left wing Labour are insane if Twitter is anything to go by.

Starmer has to get back the New Labour voters that propelled Blair to victory if he wants to win a GE, It is pretty much Tory light, so the path he's taking is understandable,  but he doesn't have the charisma Blair had nor  does he have an equally talented Brown in the background helping him strategise. Labour are doomed for a long time. Burnham & Khan will likely let Starmer do some reforming, come back after the next Election defeat and go for the leadership. Labour ideally need David Milliband to return from the US, not likely to happen tho.

Labour will be hammered again, doesn't matter who is in charge or what version of Labour is running. Tory's have the media in their corner. System is bucked

You've a point alright with the media and everything in the last election in the UK was looked at through the prism of Brexit which Corbyn and indeed Starmer were weak on and dithery.
Corbyn was portrayed as a "terrorist" supporting, anti-Semitic, commie and you can even hear Boris rabbiting on in a similar vein yesterday yet overlook the misogyny, anti Muslim, pocket lining cronyism of the Tory's.

Has Starmer the wherewithal to overcome this, I don't think so.

Starmer is a Tory mole, right out of the MI5 playbook.

Corbyn was a threat to the establishment, they eviscerated him on the grounds that he was a threat to the homogeneity of the establishment and status quo

Starmer offers no such threat, the Torys will do all they can to keep him in position for years

Someone said a few posts back that David Miliband needs to come back into the fray... what a sliding doors moment that was for British politics when his brother stabbed him in the back to take the leadership, unfortunately Ed was never going to succeed being something of a Milhouse Van Houten clone

Starmer is a neoliberal dog in the manger. His job is to prevent economic change.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1440983693636644864

The labour party is indulging in the same ideological bullshit that dogged it throughout the 1980s. As long as they persist with this shite they will never be elected. Kinnock, John Smith and Blair overseen the transition to a modern electable party by sidelining these fanatics who would rather be at war within their own party than actually win an election and run the government.  The messy ending of the Brown leadership allowed these people back to the table.
The UK is looking at in-built Tory dominance for a generation and no-one is to blame more than the left-wing of the labour party, their supporters and Ed Milliband in particular for creating the circumstances to allow the party to be taken over.  The obsession of the hard-left with rubbishing the Blair / Brown era only shows that these people belong in an entirely different party. Blair got plenty wrong, but the hard left see him and Starmer as greater enemies than Johnson and that is tragic.